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204.138.110.15 made some unverifiable statements and things on the article. 204.138.110.15 did not respond after a day to private messages on their talk page (they seem to keep the same IP) so I've moved stuff here. .................. For "In Japan, there is a gameshow where a celebrity routinely kanchōs random people.", he said "If anyone has a link, please post it." Who is kancho for? "in certain contexts?" And the potentially innacurate and unverified statement, "Even in Japan, performing kanchō on a stranger is about as welcome as a punch to the stomach." Thodin 02:10, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I just edited the first section of this page. Since it involved deleting paragraph I thought I should explain why. First I changed "undy gundy" to wedgie or goosing since the former seems to be a fairly obscure term.
I removed the last paragraph because all content was redundant or irrelevant IMO. Goosing is now mentioned in the first part, and the "I am a Japanese School Teacher" site is already an external link. All that leaves is the Dirty Sanchez comparison which really didn't add anything useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.34.166 (talk) 09:24, 28 August 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-08-28T09:24:00.000Z","author":"24.182.34.166","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.182.34.166-2005-08-28T09:24:00.000Z-First_section_edit.","replies":[]}}-->
One exception is when a student of an English teacher living abroad in Japan created a fabled story where the teacher kanchoed Godzilla. To ensure that the fingers would stay clean, as Godzilla wears no clothes, the student drew the teacher, Azrael, using a rocket instead.
These kind of storys are best left to Azrael's site. Gerard Foley 20:17, 13 October 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-10-13T20:17:00.000Z","author":"Gmcfoley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gmcfoley-2005-10-13T20:17:00.000Z-DELETED_Azrael's_Story,","replies":[],"displayName":"Gerard Foley"}}-->
I remembered that there is an actual arcade game based around Kancho. I added a link to an explanation site in the external links.
Other uses
The word is also used as an honorific term/title, which can be applied to high ranking martial arts masters. See http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/~yoshinryu/eng-yoshinkan.html and http://www.yoshinkan-aikido.org/contents/yoshinkanaikido/kancho_biographies?language=english
- That's the unrelated word 館長; this article is about 浣腸. See wiktionary:kanchō for a longer list of Japanese words pronounced this way. — Haeleth Talk 12:55, 12 February 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-02-12T12:55:00.000Z","author":"Haeleth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Haeleth-2006-02-12T12:55:00.000Z-Other_uses","replies":[]}}-->
There seems to be some question of who to attribute this link to. Its author uses the pseudonym Azrael, although I think he does refer to himself as Jeff at one point, which agrees with the full name in the whois database. I feel that his use of a pseudonym indicates he'd prefer not to have his real name publicly associated with the site. Of course, someone could just ask him. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Electrolite (talk • contribs) 20:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-02-24T20:55:00.000Z","author":"Electrolite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Electrolite-2006-02-24T20:55:00.000Z-How_to_cite_\"I_am_a_Japanese_English_Teacher\"","replies":[]}}-->
Several parts of this article seem to be well-intended, but over-informative, for a wikipedia entry. Specifically:
- linking to "nachos", based on similar pronounciation
- illustrating how to write "kanchō" in hiragana and katakana
- explaining the the concept of homographs
- explaining the difference between wāpuro and Hepburn romanization
- listing the homographs of "kanchō"
- listing words that contain "kanchō"
- linking to the automatic translation service "used to obtain various meanings of kanchou"
These should probably be replaced with references, or removed altogether.
--Piet Delport 23:14, 12 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-12T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Piet Delport","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piet_Delport-2005-11-12T23:14:00.000Z-Too_much_information?","replies":["c-Haeleth-2005-11-24T21:12:00.000Z-Piet_Delport-2005-11-12T23:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
- I've cleaned all that up by deleting most of the information you mentioned, which was dubious both in terms of relevance and accuracy; I've also removed various other irrelevancies (the "Dirty Sanchez" has nothing whatsoever in common with kancho other than that it involves both the fingers and the anus, and it doesn't really seem necessary to state that the penis is not involved in kancho). — Haeleth Talk 21:12, 24 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-24T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Haeleth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Haeleth-2005-11-24T21:12:00.000Z-Piet_Delport-2005-11-12T23:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Piet_Delport-2005-11-28T15:34:00.000Z-Haeleth-2005-11-24T21:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Thanks! The new version is a vast improvement. --Piet Delport 15:34, 28 November 2005 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2005-11-28T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Piet Delport","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Piet_Delport-2005-11-28T15:34:00.000Z-Haeleth-2005-11-24T21:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Serpentes-2006-03-26T19:59:00.000Z-Piet_Delport-2005-11-28T15:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
- Is the link to the lotte website really relevant? Serpentes 19:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-03-26T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Serpentes","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Serpentes-2006-03-26T19:59:00.000Z-Piet_Delport-2005-11-28T15:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Where is the source on Michael Plavnik? I have not seen any other references to him except on Answers.com.
Oops, forgot to sign this... Johannk 05:50, 17 May 2006 (UTC) JohannK__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-05-17T05:50:00.000Z","author":"Johannk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johannk-2006-05-17T05:50:00.000Z-Michael_Plavnik?","replies":[]}}-->
Is kancho a part of Korean culture too? I found this image on Google Images . . . . — Brian (talk) 23:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-11-08T23:29:00.000Z","author":"BrianSmithson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BrianSmithson-2007-11-08T23:29:00.000Z-Korea_too?","replies":["c-BrianSmithson-2007-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2007-11-08T23:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Brian"}}-->
- D'oh. Never mind. Just read the article, and it's there already. — Brian (talk) 00:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-11-09T00:26:00.000Z","author":"BrianSmithson","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BrianSmithson-2007-11-09T00:26:00.000Z-BrianSmithson-2007-11-08T23:29:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Brian"}}-->
"In Japan, there is even a TV gameshow where a celebrity routinely kanchōs random people."
what celebrity? what show? brain (talk) 21:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-01T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Brain","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brain-2008-04-01T21:06:00.000Z-Korea_too?","replies":[]}}-->
NEEDS PICTURES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.140.93.240 (talk) 07:15, 2 June 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-06-02T07:15:00.000Z","author":"72.140.93.240","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-72.140.93.240-2008-06-02T07:15:00.000Z-Pictures","replies":[]}}-->
I removed the following story, because this simply doesn't occur commonly among anyone here in Japan. Even if someone once did this to an acquaintance of theirs, it is an isolated incident of sophomoric humor with no encyclopedic value other than as someone's personal in-joke. (Update: Japanese co-workers just groaned when told the story, "no no no")
... "The word is sometimes used by English speakers in Japan who have some knowledge of Japanese language in a prank as a light form of hazing aimed at people who have recently come to Japan. When asking for the bill at a restaurant in Japan (one way of asking for the bill in Japanese is "kanjo kudasai" or "Please give me the bill") the victim is told to say, "Kancho kudasai!" or "Please give me a kancho!" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takatoriyama (talk • contribs) 12:30, 5 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-05T12:30:00.000Z","author":"Takatoriyama","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Takatoriyama-2009-01-05T12:30:00.000Z-Kancho_kudasai","replies":[]}}-->
This article is not accurate. For example, it suggests that this is a crime in Korea but not in Japan. In fact, it is a crime in Japan as well. The article exaggerates the prevalence of this prank in real life situations based on TV show. In fact, it sounds like it came straight out of Encyclopedia Dramatica. I.e. this article itself is a prank on anyone who reads it as a test of their gullability. You have been warned.
Note that exactly like Encyclopedia Dramatica, half the things are true in order to set you up for the other half which are blatant lies. The gross exaggerations however have no citations and never will. Articles on Japan should be written by people who've actually lived there longer than 2 weeks and have walked around more than they've spent watching TV about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.4.63 (talk • contribs) 08:44, 20 October 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-10-20T08:44:00.000Z","author":"24.94.4.63","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.94.4.63-2009-10-20T08:44:00.000Z-Suggestion","replies":[]}}-->
If I recall correctly, there was a cartoon depiction image on the article, circa 2007. Would someone be able to inform me the fate of that image? What has happened to it? Link to a FfD page would be appreciated. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 15:35, 19 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-19T15:35:00.000Z","author":"Benlisquare","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Benlisquare-2010-08-19T15:35:00.000Z-Image","replies":["c-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:15:00.000Z-Benlisquare-2010-08-19T15:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u674e\u535a\u6770"}}-->
- Closest I can get you is http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Kancho.gif , does that help any?--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:15, 20 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-20T06:15:00.000Z","author":"Kintetsubuffalo","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:15:00.000Z-Benlisquare-2010-08-19T15:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:17:00.000Z-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Chris (\u30af\u30ea\u30b9 \u2022 \u30d5\u30a3\u30c3\u30c1)"}}-->
- If you want to try and get it back, apply at Wikipedia:Requests for undeletion.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 06:17, 20 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-20T06:17:00.000Z","author":"Kintetsubuffalo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:17:00.000Z-Kintetsubuffalo-2010-08-20T06:15:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Chris (\u30af\u30ea\u30b9 \u2022 \u30d5\u30a3\u30c3\u30c1)"}}-->
- Kancho (カンチョー kanchō?)[1] is a prank often played in Japan;
Seeing as it seems to be something enjoyed in South Korea as well--who started it first?--shouldn't it then be either:
- Kancho is a prank played in Japan and South Korea (where it's known as 똥침)
- Kancho is a prank played in several East Asian countries (like Japan and South Korea)
- Kancho is a prank played in several East Asian cultures that originated in Japan/Korea
...or so? The point being, the intro sentence seems to add an unnecessary level of Japan-ness to something that is obviously widespread (at least, bare minimum, where "kancho" is the specific style of prank where you hold your two index fingers together and give someone a poke in their rear, versus other rear-poking that DON'T involve the two index fingers in the same way)?
Case in point, the article for "baseball" doesn't say "baseball is a sport played in the United States" despite its origins there. Nor does the article for "Ten thousand years" state ...is a phrase used in Japan (where it's pronounced "banzai"), rather, it specifically states "East Asian" languages originated in ancient China, thus specific pointing out its broad use in Asia despite its Chinese origin? -- 66.92.0.62 (talk) 07:39, 16 July 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-16T07:39:00.000Z","author":"66.92.0.62","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-66.92.0.62-2012-07-16T07:39:00.000Z-Intro_sentence","replies":[]}}-->
The article lists a few other countries in which kancho'ing is done. What is the name of the practice there? These names should be mentioned and redirects set up. — BrianSmithson 18:53, 25 April 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-04-25T18:53:00.000Z","author":"BrianSmithson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BrianSmithson-2006-04-25T18:53:00.000Z-Name_in_other_languages?","replies":[]}}-->
We could add that it is referred to as a "Hopoate" in Australia, in honour of the rugby league player who was disgraced for doing this to opponents during tackles.
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- There seems to be an article on the Hopoate. Perhaps it could be merged into here? Or maybe just a link both ways would help (especially as Hopoate is an orphan article, not even linked from the "inventor"'s page. --Dreaded Walrus t c 06:12, 13 May 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-13T06:12:00.000Z","author":"Dreaded Walrus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dreaded_Walrus-2007-05-13T06:12:00.000Z-DrHacky-2007-05-13T05:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Umm.. I'm just gonna go ahead and delete the reference to it being "saca caca" in Mexico, cause I'm a Mexican leaving in Mexico and was actually shocked something like Kancho existed, and believe me it's not something that happens here. A "saca caca" is slang for a kick that aims for the anus, yes, but just that.. a kick.
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- That's fine by me - I've been trying to locate verifiable sources for kancho without success and am wondering if it's just a made up thing where people stage "kancho" incidents for pictures/videos. Marc Kupper (talk) (contribs) 10:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-28T10:09:00.000Z","author":"Marc Kupper","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Marc_Kupper-2008-02-28T10:09:00.000Z-Calleja-2008-02-28T07:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
In Brazil it is called "Pula Pirata" (which means "Jump Pirate", as it was named after the toy Pop-up Pirate).
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This article should have images of these two statues which depict kancho: [1]; or, it should have other photos of kancho-depicting statues. --Spunionztastic (talk) 16:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-07-22T16:18:00.000Z","author":"Spunionztastic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spunionztastic-2018-07-22T16:18:00.000Z-Artistic_statues","replies":[]}}-->
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I work at a Japanese firm on Tokyo and just took a brief poll of five co-workers as to whether they've seen it on a TV show. All five said "of course". No answer for specific shows because "everybody does it", but one did day they specifically remember Beat Takeshi having done so on one of his comedy shows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Takatoriyama (talk • contribs) 12:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-05T12:36:00.000Z","author":"Takatoriyama","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Takatoriyama-2009-01-05T12:36:00.000Z-TV_shows?","replies":[]}}-->
They've done it on a 90's variety show called Super Jockey(where bikniki girls soak in a super hot transparent tub for x seconds originated). and i've seen it on the show with teams of men climbing up a slope with flowing lubricant. 1.64.108.244 (talk) 07:27, 6 December 2020 (UTC)nobody__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-12-06T07:27:00.000Z","author":"1.64.108.244","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-1.64.108.244-2020-12-06T07:27:00.000Z-TV_shows?","replies":[]}}-->
As stated in the Ben Garrido source, this is a form of "goosing". Perhaps we should have an internationalised article with this as a section. Yngvadottir (talk) 09:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-12-16T09:00:00.000Z","author":"Yngvadottir","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yngvadottir-2015-12-16T09:00:00.000Z-Goosing","replies":["c-2603:7080:1F07:41D6:5998:6694:CDD6:575-20221025123100-Yngvadottir-2015-12-16T09:00:00.000Z"]}}-->
- ive never heard of or seen or experienced an anal fingering as a "goosing". goosing is grabbing of the buttocks, not digital penetration of the anal cavity. 2603:7080:1F07:41D6:5998:6694:CDD6:575 (talk) 12:31, 25 October 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025123100","author":"2603:7080:1F07:41D6:5998:6694:CDD6:575","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-2603:7080:1F07:41D6:5998:6694:CDD6:575-20221025123100-Yngvadottir-2015-12-16T09:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
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