Talk:Judah HeHasid (Jerusalem)

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Make up your minds: It's either Rabbi Yehuda he-Hasid or Rabbi Judah the Hasid. --Gilabrand 16:25, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-25T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Gilabrand","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gilabrand-2007-07-25T16:25:00.000Z-Name_of_this_article","replies":["c-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z-Gilabrand-2007-07-25T16:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Then why not "Judah the Pious"? Seriously, Yehuda he-Hasid (Jerusalem) would be fine with me. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 21:28, 25 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Humus sapiens","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z-Gilabrand-2007-07-25T16:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T04:39:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z","c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T17:31:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Rabbi Judah the Pious is fine, too (including the title Rabbi). But why Jerusalem? Was there a Rabbi Judah the Pious somewhere else?--Gilabrand 04:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-26T04:39:00.000Z","author":"Gilabrand","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T04:39:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-26T07:47:00.000Z-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T04:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please see Judah he-Hasid. Do we add "Rabbi" for all rabbis? I thought we do not put honorifics into article titles, except for dismbiguation. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 07:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-26T07:47:00.000Z","author":"Humus sapiens","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-26T07:47:00.000Z-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T04:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Chesdovi-2007-07-26T16:31:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-26T07:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

he-Hasid is totally out of the question. It is a result of archaic language formation taken from the 1904 edition of the Jewish Encyclopedia; It is never pronounced "he” but rather "ha" with a kamatz. Please change it accordingly. Chesdovi 16:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)...actually maybe "heh" is better? Chesdovi 16:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-26T16:31:00.000Z","author":"Chesdovi","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Chesdovi-2007-07-26T16:31:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-26T07:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T17:12:00.000Z-Chesdovi-2007-07-26T16:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually, it is he-Hasid. In everyday speech, people may say "ha," but grammatically it should be "he." About adding the title Rabbi, in Hebrew, he is always referred to as "Rabee Yehuda Hehasid." Just to add to the confusion Encyclopedia Judaica calls him Judah ben Shmuel He-hasid....so maybe we ought to leave it alone--Gilabrand 17:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-26T17:12:00.000Z","author":"Gilabrand","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T17:12:00.000Z-Chesdovi-2007-07-26T16:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Oh, no. On further investigation, it turns out I am wrong again. Judah ben Shmuel is a different rabbi. The one we are talking about here is called Judah Hasid (Segal) Ha-levi!!--Gilabrand 17:31, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-26T17:31:00.000Z","author":"Gilabrand","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gilabrand-2007-07-26T17:31:00.000Z-Humus_sapiens-2007-07-25T21:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

>Rabbi Judah the Pious is fine, too (including the title Rabbi). But why Jerusalem? Was there a Rabbi Judah the Pious somewhere else?--Gilabrand 04:39, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Indeed. The "other" Rabbi Judah the Pious lived in Germany in the 14th century and is far more well known and significant than the 17/ 18th century Rabbi Judah the Pious.

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A good start would be to replace this with a translation of the Hebrew article. Unfortunately that doesn't cite any sources either. In the meantime I've removed the unsourced claims of Sabbateanism, removed a dead link to a source that didn't seem too reliable even when it was up, and corrected a number to match what its source actually says. -- Zsero (talk) 03:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-02T03:46:00.000Z","author":"Zsero","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zsero-2009-12-02T03:46:00.000Z-Needs_rework","replies":[]}}-->