Are the online graphic novels and other content considered official canon? I haven't heard one way or the other. I know that Brody is more severely injured on screen than he appears to be in the comic, and Claire's Myspace page says she's 18 but the TV show says she's 17. And there are probably other contradictions. If the canonical status of these spin-offs hasn't been determined, I think this should be noted (precedents for this include various articles related to Star Trek and Doctor Who that also indicate if a piece of information derives from a spin-off. Such things need to be noted in the character articles as well. Again using Claire as an example, her article mentions her rescuing Brody, etc. yet anyone watching only the TV show will be confused, as the episode suggests they were rescued by ambulance. 23skidoo 20:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-25T20:03:00.000Z","author":"23skidoo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-23skidoo-2006-10-25T20:03:00.000Z-Graphic_novels_-_canon?","replies":["c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-10-25T20:17:00.000Z-23skidoo-2006-10-25T20:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm thinking it be time to either
one or the other needs to happen and just a general description left in its place, otherwise by the end of the season the table will be twice as long as the character table that I just moved off to its own page! -- Argash | talk | contribs 11:26, 1 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-01T11:26:00.000Z","author":"Argash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Argash-2006-11-01T11:26:00.000Z-The_Table","replies":["c-Psiphiorg-2006-11-02T00:07:00.000Z-Argash-2006-11-01T11:26:00.000Z","c-Hemsath-2006-11-04T06:47:00.000Z-Argash-2006-11-01T11:26:00.000Z"]}}-->
Due to recent edits getting out of hand with wild speculation and various inaccuracies. I am again requesting that this page be protected. It won't get the more persistant rule breakers individually blocked, but it should limit the troublesome changes and reverts. Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 23:18, 26 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-26T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Ace Class Shadow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-10-26T23:18:00.000Z-Semi-protect_2","replies":[]}}-->
What's with the reversion war going on with this article, particularly with character abilities? I don't see how continuously reverting information -- including details that are still subjects of debate -- are serving the best interests of Wikipedia readers. Primogen 23:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-26T23:51:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-10-26T23:51:00.000Z-Reversion_War","replies":["c-ThuranX-2006-10-27T01:09:00.000Z-Primogen-2006-10-26T23:51:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hiro's powers should be changed from the three listed to 'Space-Time Manipulation' Which comports better with his individual entry.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 8.10.52.72 (talk • contribs) 02:51, October 27, 2006
Has it been verified that Micah actually has a power? Or is that merely fans surmising about the likely result of being D.L.'s and Nikki's son? As far as I know nothing has been seen definetely that he does in fact have powers.
multiple press articles say he does. Premiere or EW or some such had them on the cover and inside it was stated that Ali Larter knows what Micah's power is.ThuranX 21:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-06T21:30:00.000Z","author":"ThuranX","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThuranX-2006-11-06T21:30:00.000Z-Powers","replies":[]}}-->
After the episode an hour and a half ago I assume that Micah is a technopath. Some may believe that he controls electricity but he is also like super smart. So I think technopath is the best answer. November 6, 2006
She doesn't even seem as important as Mr. Bennet! Why does she have warrant to be as a main character? Gbcue 06:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T06:40:00.000Z","author":"Gbcue","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gbcue-2006-10-31T06:40:00.000Z-Simone_Deveaux_as_\"MAIN_CHARACTER\"?","replies":["c-EnsRedShirt-2006-10-31T07:18:00.000Z-Gbcue-2006-10-31T06:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Added Mr. Bennet to the Main Characters section.Lobot72 05:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-05T05:44:00.000Z","author":"Lobot72","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lobot72-2006-11-05T05:44:00.000Z-Simone_Deveaux_as_\"MAIN_CHARACTER\"?","replies":[]}}-->
For those that care I just ran this through the automated peer review script and heres the results.
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I have noticed that there are a number of images for the characters on Wikipedia. Some characters have two or even three images, when really only one is needed. For instance, look at Isaac Mendez. On the main show page, we have Image:Isaacmendez.jpg. On the character's page, we have Image:HeroesIsaac.jpg. On the actor's page, we have Image:SantiagoCabrera Heroes.jpg, claiming to be from Heroes, which doesn't even look like he does on the show. All three images are only used once each and we clearly don't need all three. If this was the only time this happened here, I would bring it up in a different manner, but it seems that many, if not most, of the characters have at least two separate images, one on the character's page and the other on the actor's page, both claiming to be from "Heroes." I think that someone needs to go through the images, find the "best" ones (IE the ones with the most secure copyright status and that look the best), use it in all instances, and delete the others. Thanks. -Platypus Man | Talk 16:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Platypus222","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Platypus222-2006-10-31T16:03:00.000Z-Images","replies":[],"displayName":"Platypus Man"}}-->
The main character table is becomming VERY cumbersome and is only going to get worse as Mr. Bennet will be joing it by episode 11. I am thinging it may be time to move it off the main article into its own article like shows such as Lost have done and leave an overview summery in the main article. If that idea is not popular then i would suggest that we remove some of the unnecessary columns such as age, occupation and location as these items are somewhat trivial for the main article. -- Argash | talk | contribs 16:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Argash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Argash-2006-10-31T16:30:00.000Z-Main_Character_table","replies":["c-Dws90-2006-11-01T01:01:00.000Z-Argash-2006-10-31T16:30:00.000Z","c-Pinkkeith-2006-11-01T17:31:00.000Z-Argash-2006-10-31T16:30:00.000Z","c-Primogen-2006-11-01T19:53:00.000Z-Argash-2006-10-31T16:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
Just signed up here, so I can't change this, but I wanted to make the suggestion of changing DL's super power explanation to "phases through solid matter" instead of "phases through walls", as he stuck his hand through Stripperella near the end of last Monday's episode. UtterVillainy 14:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-02T14:53:00.000Z","author":"UtterVillainy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UtterVillainy-2006-11-02T14:53:00.000Z-Main_Character_table","replies":[]}}-->
Shouldn't Ando be in the main characters table? He's had more screentime than Simone and arguably plays just as big a role. --Mister Six 22:11, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Mister Six","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mister_Six-2006-10-31T22:11:00.000Z-Ando","replies":["c-Psiphiorg-2006-10-31T22:26:00.000Z-Mister_Six-2006-10-31T22:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
I would add it in myself if it wasn't protected. Available here: http://www.nbc.com/Heroes/novels/downloads/Heroes_novel_006.pdf 160.39.30.231 22:52, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T22:52:00.000Z","author":"160.39.30.231","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-160.39.30.231-2006-10-31T22:52:00.000Z-New_Graphic_Novel","replies":["c-Novastarj-2006-11-01T00:11:00.000Z-160.39.30.231-2006-10-31T22:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
I believe that it should be added that this series takes place in 2 the year 2008. —Preceding unsigned comment added by zak123321 (talk • contribs) 00:45, 1 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-01T00:45:00.000Z","author":"Zak123321","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zak123321-2006-11-01T00:45:00.000Z-Year?","replies":["c-Argash-2006-11-01T06:31:00.000Z-Zak123321-2006-11-01T00:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
What year was on the newspaper, or was there one? Bio 19:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-13T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Bio rules","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bio_rules-2006-11-13T19:45:00.000Z-Year?","replies":[],"displayName":"Bio"}}-->
Should there be a different section for other (non-Graphic novel) easter eggs? Example-if you go to the main nbc heroes page and click on the "Come Visit" sign (to the right of Mohinder's head) in the flash picture, you get some of the Text messages between Ando and Niki (not sure if this can be considered an easter egg or not). Also, there is a link to Claire's MySpace page if you go to her cast description and click on the bookbag/book in the background of the flash picture. --arrow61095 17:45, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T17:45:00.000Z","author":"Arrow61095","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arrow61095-2006-10-31T17:45:00.000Z-Easter_Eggs?","replies":[]}}-->
Yes there should be a separate easter egg section since there are many of them, it would make sense... --131.94.253.111 18:23, 31 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-31T18:23:00.000Z","author":"131.94.253.111","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-131.94.253.111-2006-10-31T18:23:00.000Z-Easter_Eggs?","replies":[]}}-->
I would start one myself if it wasn't protected. --arrow61095 15:57, 1 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-01T15:57:00.000Z","author":"Arrow61095","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arrow61095-2006-11-01T15:57:00.000Z-Easter_Eggs?","replies":["c-Argash-2006-11-01T16:29:00.000Z-Arrow61095-2006-11-01T15:57:00.000Z","c-Argash-2006-11-01T16:39:00.000Z-Arrow61095-2006-11-01T15:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
Near the beginning of the episode "Better Halves," when Niki and Micah are startled awake, sitting in plain view on the nightstand is an orange Mold-A-Rama wax lion. There's about half a second where it's in focus, but it's quite clearly the smooshed-faced wax lion from Wonderfalls. —Ricky 04:52, 2 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-02T04:52:00.000Z","author":"LocutusMIT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LocutusMIT-2006-11-02T04:52:00.000Z-References_to_non-NBC_Shows","replies":["c-Psiphiorg-2006-11-02T06:39:00.000Z-LocutusMIT-2006-11-02T04:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ricky"}}-->
This may or may not be a tribute to an ABC soap (One Life to Live), but Niki Sanders (aka Jessica) shares names with 2 characters from that show who have split personalities. Viki Davidson's evil alter ego is named Niki and her daughter, Jessica Buchanon Vega has an evil alter ego named Tess. So, in the show One Life to Live, there is a Niki and a Jessica, one bad and the other good.
I've created Category:Heroes Images and tagged ever Heroes related image I could find with it. If you see any I missed please add them. Also we have "duplicates" of some actors/characters as mentioned above we need one of the more lawyerly editors to go through them and determin which to keep and which to toss. Before that happens though it would be nice if everyone went through and checked the images for proper licensing, referencing (where the image came from) and fair use rational (if needed). This will make it much easier when determining which pics should stay or go. -- Argash | talk | contribs 08:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-02T08:13:00.000Z","author":"Argash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Argash-2006-11-02T08:13:00.000Z-added_Category:Heroes_Images","replies":["c-MatthewFenton-2006-11-02T08:18:00.000Z-Argash-2006-11-02T08:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
All, it seems weird to me that the list of Graphic Novels is considered important enough to be prominently displayed in the central Heroes article, while the list of television episodes is moved to a second page. I realise that there is a policy for all TV-series related articles to do episode listings on a seperate page, and for good reason, but shouldn't this policy rationally also be applied to the graphic novel listings? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 07:45, 2 November 2006 (talk • contribs) 212.123.24.90
Does anyone else find Heros substantively similar to Broken Saints? Sandy McArthur 20:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-02T20:53:00.000Z","author":"Sandymac","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sandymac-2006-11-02T20:53:00.000Z-Similarity_to_Broken_Saints","replies":["c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-11-03T22:32:00.000Z-Sandymac-2006-11-02T20:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Sandy McArthur"}}-->
could someone please write a small paragraph to explain what the ratings mean to the show, and compare it to other shows so that we can gain a perspective as to what the hell it means? thanks. dposse 13:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-03T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Dposse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dposse-2006-11-03T13:00:00.000Z-ratings","replies":[]}}-->
Just put a link to Neilsen Rating or go there yourself. Tazzy531 02:10, 9 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-09T02:10:00.000Z","author":"Tazzy531","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tazzy531-2006-11-09T02:10:00.000Z-ratings","replies":[]}}-->
There should be a supporting characters section to the main article for characters like Ando Masahashi, Sylar, Mr. Linderman, Eden Cain, and Brody Mitchum. Some of these these characters have had a lot of screen time and/or a major role in the story line. They should be removed from the minor characters article and moved to the main article.Lobot72 05:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-05T05:47:00.000Z","author":"Lobot72","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lobot72-2006-11-05T05:47:00.000Z-Supporting_Characters_section","replies":[]}}-->
Lexxdark 22:28, 5 November 2006 (UTC) This was discussed before as far as I know. The main ideea is that the main characters are determined by what the showmakers say.. And none of the above was mentioned as a main charcater by the show producers..__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-05T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Lexxdark","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lexxdark-2006-11-05T22:28:00.000Z-Supporting_Characters_section","replies":[]}}-->
Lexxdark 22:25, 5 November 2006 (UTC) On most of the places I have seen I saw that Hiro traveled 5 weeks into the future (even in the movie the dates were october 2 and november 8 if I remember right), but in the comic strip (The Crane) on the first page it says six weeks... Why is that? Maybe I haven't noticed something... Should this be noted next to the comic book link?__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-05T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Lexxdark","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lexxdark-2006-11-05T22:25:00.000Z-Six_or_five_weeks...","replies":[]}}-->
I suggested this above, but I know it'll get lost in the mess so I'll say it again here. The list of graphic novels I believe will get unweildy very soon. I think it is better to move it to its own page, to make the page more on topic with the TV show itself, and also ease some pressure on this talk page. I made a page for the Heroes graphic novels. Assuming I get a consensus here, we can link to it from the main page like we do for the list of Heroes episodes. If not, I'll delete the page. Novastarj 03:53, 7 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T03:53:00.000Z","author":"Novastarj","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Novastarj-2006-11-07T03:53:00.000Z-Graphic_Novels_on_own_page","replies":["c-Argash-2006-11-07T06:06:00.000Z-Novastarj-2006-11-07T03:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
After the last episode the symbol of the solar eclipse seems to be more and more important. Currently there is a section on the symbol and I am wondering if it would make sense to broaden the section to _Recurring Themes_ or _Symbology_ or _Recurring Symbols_ Jrasmussen0 13:22, 7 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T13:22:00.000Z","author":"Jrasmussen0","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jrasmussen0-2006-11-07T13:22:00.000Z-Solar_Eclipse","replies":["c-Vignettelante-2006-11-09T05:51:00.000Z-Jrasmussen0-2006-11-07T13:22:00.000Z","c-Lexxdark-2006-11-15T01:43:00.000Z-Jrasmussen0-2006-11-07T13:22:00.000Z","c-Jeffness-2006-11-15T06:46:00.000Z-Jrasmussen0-2006-11-07T13:22:00.000Z"]}}-->
There is another symbol in the show. First on the radioactive man, then on matt's neck. Everybody wanna rename "the symbol" to "Symbols" for more clues and symbols. Maybe the nuclear man will meet up with Hiro and Ando and Distroy NY by mistake. Maybe Future Hiro is from a Mad Max-like universe he inadveringly made Tgunn2 18:10, 7 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-07T18:10:00.000Z","author":"Tgunn2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tgunn2-2006-11-07T18:10:00.000Z-Another_symbol_and_explosion_theory","replies":["c-ThuranX-2006-11-07T22:03:00.000Z-Tgunn2-2006-11-07T18:10:00.000Z"]}}-->
I was wondering something about the symbol. It is stated in the article that it is RNA like, but I fail to see the resembelence... Is there some official source saying that is what they intend it to look like? 207.172.78.4 02:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-10T02:58:00.000Z","author":"207.172.78.4","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-207.172.78.4-2006-11-10T02:58:00.000Z-Another_symbol_and_explosion_theory","replies":["c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-11-10T03:14:00.000Z-207.172.78.4-2006-11-10T02:58:00.000Z"]}}-->
From writers Joe Pokaski and Aron Coleite. Q :One thing we noticed about the symbol that keeps popping up is that it looks like part of an RNA molecule. Now, we know you can't reveal all about the symbol (we're trying to be patient!), but are we on the right track? A:Kind of. (http://www.comicbookresources.com/news/newsitem.cgi?id=8817) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 610:13, November 10, 2006 (talk • contribs) 71.192.235.116
As the other character's occupations are listed, I added that Peter Petrelli is a Nurse. Gerren McKnight 03:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T03:08:00.000Z","author":"Gerren McKnight","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerren_McKnight-2006-11-08T03:08:00.000Z-Characters","replies":[]}}-->
Why is this section back? It is pretty much the same info as on the Characters of Heroes page except in a harder to read format. Should the table be brought back to this main page? Joshua Friel 00:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
I know this was just changed, but even though the characters only recognized it as a sword, it's also a katana. Unless someone who knows swords more than I can say it looks more like another type, I think we should leave it as "katana". PureSoldier 20:21, 8
November 2006 (UTC)
See Talk:Hiro Nakamura#Katana or Tsurugi? Ace Class Shadow; My talk. 21:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Ace Class Shadow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-11-08T21:20:00.000Z-Hiro's_Sword","replies":[]}}-->
Louis reed 19:39, 14 November 2006 (UTC)A Japanese sword is a katana (katana means sword in Japanese); I don't think that it would matter all that much if it is referred to as a sword or a katana.__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-14T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Louis reed","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Louis_reed-2006-11-14T19:39:00.000Z-Hiro's_Sword","replies":[]}}-->
However, in English, "katana" refers to a specific type of sword, associated with the samurai, and not, say, the wakizashi. Primogen 20:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-14T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-14T20:20:00.000Z-Hiro's_Sword","replies":[]}}-->
I remind both Louis Reed and Primogen that there is a link right above for discussing this. ThuranX 21:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-14T21:48:00.000Z","author":"ThuranX","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThuranX-2006-11-14T21:48:00.000Z-Hiro's_Sword","replies":[]}}-->
The Radiokinetic we met in the recent ep is named under the "Symbols" section, and has ionizing radiation as a wiki link in his brief description. What do you think of supplementing or replacing ionizing radiation with Radiokinesis? 171.159.64.10 20:24, 9 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-09T20:24:00.000Z","author":"171.159.64.10","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-171.159.64.10-2006-11-09T20:24:00.000Z-Suggested_Page_Edit","replies":[]}}-->
Of the two, I think the the superhero power definition, Radiokinesis, is the more appropriate one for describing a superhero power. Primogen 19:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-10T19:51:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-10T19:51:00.000Z-Suggested_Page_Edit","replies":[]}}-->
In an effort to clean up this talk page I've archived most of the discussions. Going forward please keep all discussions specific to characters confined to the talk page for that character and try not to make duplicate sections (IE we dont need 5 seperate discussions of the symbol.-- Argash | talk | contribs 04:24, 19 October 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-10-19T04:24:00.000Z","author":"Argash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Argash-2006-10-19T04:24:00.000Z-Archived","replies":["c-Argash-2006-11-01T04:21:00.000Z-Argash-2006-10-19T04:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
There are too many archives, It makes finding articles a real pain in the ass. Plus nobody is going to look in the archives to see if something has already been discussed, so it will lead to more duplicate posts. Wikipedia should change it where new post are at the top of the page instead of the bottom, that would make a lot more sense.75.21.125.177 07:53, 4 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-04T07:53:00.000Z","author":"75.21.125.177","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-75.21.125.177-2006-11-04T07:53:00.000Z-Archived","replies":["c-Fmmarianicolon-2006-11-15T04:30:00.000Z-75.21.125.177-2006-11-04T07:53:00.000Z","c-Fmmarianicolon-2006-11-15T04:53:00.000Z-75.21.125.177-2006-11-04T07:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
how many episodes are going to be in this season -aaronpark
I added details up until the known episode which is number 10 “Six Months Ago”. After the episodes have aired someone can just add the rating information as it becomes available each week until more episode information is released. Gerren McKnight 03:08, 8 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-08T03:08:00.000Z","author":"Gerren McKnight","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerren_McKnight-2006-11-08T03:08:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":[]}}-->
A listing of rating is total cruft info and doesn't belong. I'm removing it. CovenantD 00:34, 15 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-15T00:34:00.000Z","author":"CovenantD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CovenantD-2006-11-15T00:34:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":["c-Ace_Class_Shadow-2006-11-15T00:43:00.000Z-CovenantD-2006-11-15T00:34:00.000Z","c-ThuranX-2006-11-15T04:33:00.000Z-CovenantD-2006-11-15T00:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
Episode-by-episode ratings? It's silly. Definitely drop it. JJL 00:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-18T00:16:00.000Z","author":"JJL","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JJL-2006-11-18T00:16:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":[]}}-->
I decided to see what the guys at WikiProject Television were doing about ratings, and they don't even recommend having a Ratings section at all: "Remember that Wikipedia is foremost an Encyclopedia and that articles therefore should try to be prosaïc instead of lists of arbitrary information that you can pull out of TV.com". All they are doing for ratings is an infox with a single ratings entry per country. Primogen 00:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-18T00:39:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-18T00:39:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":[]}}-->
The biggest flaw of Wikipedia is that anyone can edit anything. All I see on here is people fighting over what should or shouldn't be posted. This whole rating's fiasco could be solved if Wikipedia had a template people could use to set up these articles. I think until there are more season's of heroes the episodes should be listed on the main page, some people get too link happy. IG-2000 03:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-20T03:33:00.000Z","author":"IG-2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IG-2000-2006-11-20T03:33:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":["c-Primogen-2006-11-20T19:55:00.000Z-IG-2000-2006-11-20T03:33:00.000Z"]}}-->
I should have stated a template like ebay has for listing auctions, basically fill in the blanks. IG-2000 03:29, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T03:29:00.000Z","author":"IG-2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IG-2000-2006-11-21T03:29:00.000Z-Ratings_II","replies":[]}}-->
Is it possible to have sections for theories that people come up with for characters and such? This is a great feature on Lostpedia, and I think Heroes deserves the same types of discussion. (CinematicESP 23:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-10T23:56:00.000Z","author":"CinematicESP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CinematicESP-2006-11-10T23:56:00.000Z-Theories_Sections?","replies":["c-Psiphiorg-2006-11-11T00:05:00.000Z-CinematicESP-2006-11-10T23:56:00.000Z"]}}-->
This guy is starting to pop up everywhere. Currently, he's listed on both Minor characters in Heroes and the main article, but he's not listed on Characters of Heroes. In addition, he also has his own article. I don't think makes much sense to have him in both the minor characters list as well as the main page (which is otherwise exclusively major characters. Therefore, I recommend we either: a) remove him from the main page, or b) remove him from the minor characters list and add him to the table on the Characters of Heroes page. Are there any opinions as to which one? --dws90 23:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-12T23:06:00.000Z","author":"Dws90","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dws90-2006-11-12T23:06:00.000Z-What_to_do_with_Bennet...","replies":["c-Torritorri-2006-11-13T00:44:00.000Z-Dws90-2006-11-12T23:06:00.000Z"]}}-->
I don't understand why they think fansites with wonderful info are getting such a bad rep? Tonight, we're adding only informal fansites, not blogs and forums.
If should disagree, be my guest !
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Should anything be included about parts of this movie that link to other films? For example, in Genesis when Mohinder meets the "Horn-rimmed glasses" guy, the man says that Mohinder's last name must be popular in India, like "Smith", or "Anderson". Those are the names of the protagonist and antogonist of the Matrix series (Smith and Neo Anderson) Bio 19:42, 13 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-13T19:42:00.000Z","author":"Bio rules","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bio_rules-2006-11-13T19:42:00.000Z-Links_to_other_movies","replies":["c-Primogen-2006-11-13T21:36:00.000Z-Bio_rules-2006-11-13T19:42:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Bio"}}-->
I'm almost positive I read somewhere (I think on wikipedia somewhere) how many episodes would be aired for the first season, but I forgot the number. What was it?
can someone please provide a source for that last paragraph or remove it? thanks. dposse 01:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-19T01:12:00.000Z","author":"Dposse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dposse-2006-11-19T01:12:00.000Z-plot:_to_harness_their_\"super_DNA\"_for_his_own_ends.","replies":["c-Primogen-2006-11-20T21:22:00.000Z-Dposse-2006-11-19T01:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please fix the heading under Simone Deveaux to reflect the proper gender - "... boyfriend, Isaac. He has no known superhuman abilities."
Some Random Bloke 19:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
It was properly changed to "she" about 9 hours before your post. Primogen 19:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-19T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-19T19:27:00.000Z-Request_typo_fix_(he_->_she)","replies":[]}}-->
I suggest having a list of powers that any characters, major or minor, have and which characters have them. It's difficult to differentiate between the people with powers and those without on the Characters page. ShigityShank 03:11, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T03:11:00.000Z","author":"ShigityShank","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ShigityShank-2006-11-21T03:11:00.000Z-List_of_Powers?","replies":[]}}-->
Well I guess now that the show said made it clear that Claire's power is spontaneous regeneration and not a healing factor, the people who wanted to list her power as spontaneous regeneration will want to change it. In case you missed it in the last episode Claires friend Zach gave her that book written by Chandra Suresh and pointed out the chapter on the power of spontaneous regeneration. If this doesn't put this debate to rest I guess nothing will. IG-2000 03:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T03:28:00.000Z","author":"IG-2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-IG-2000-2006-11-21T03:28:00.000Z-Claire's_powers","replies":[]}}-->
Anyone know what font they use for the show? It's very comic-like. I'd like to know the name.--Richard 03:55, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T03:55:00.000Z","author":"Richard1990","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard1990-2006-11-21T03:55:00.000Z-Font?","replies":["c-ThuranX-2006-11-21T04:56:00.000Z-Richard1990-2006-11-21T03:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Richard"}}-->
The article says the symbol appears "On Niki's back as a tattoo whenever her alternate personality surfaces." Since this symbol disappears when Niki is in control of her body, is it, strictly speaking, a tattoo? 71.193.152.63 14:40, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T14:40:00.000Z","author":"71.193.152.63","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.193.152.63-2006-11-21T14:40:00.000Z-Jessica's_RNA_Symbol","replies":[]}}-->
What would it be called then? Bio 19:59, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Bio rules","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bio_rules-2006-11-21T19:59:00.000Z-Jessica's_RNA_Symbol","replies":[],"displayName":"Bio"}}-->
You don't need to call it anything. I took out the words "as a tattoo". Primogen 20:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-21T20:12:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-21T20:12:00.000Z-Jessica's_RNA_Symbol","replies":[]}}-->
Just curious about this last line on the main page...Is it necessary now, considering Mohinder has finally accessed his father's file on all the Heroes and he is not listed? I understand the concept of him just being an undiscovered Hero but assuming he was close to his father as a son, and just in general about being family, you would think if he was one his father would know. As we know, not all the important characters are Heroes, such as Ando and Mohinder, as each has a role in this story. Mohinder's time at home made him realize his destiny was to help the Heroes,so it's likely he won't be one but just be the guide for the rest. In case you find this unreasonable or otherwise a complete waste of the Talk: page, I apologize, as I do not generally talk in the discussions here but I was just voicing a thought.User:Navex 4:36, 21 November 2006
The list was never shown in it's entirety, nor is it guaranteed that every single person with superhuman powers is on that list. Mohinder could still possibly display powers in the future 67.183.178.171 17:17, 22 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-22T17:17:00.000Z","author":"67.183.178.171","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-67.183.178.171-2006-11-22T17:17:00.000Z-\"Mohinder_so_far_exhibits_no_superhuman_powers_himself.\"","replies":[]}}-->
I changed the description to say, "he has no known superhuman abilities" so that it matches the wording of descriptions of other main characters who have not demonstrated any super powers on the show. Primogen 18:06, 22 November 2006 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-22T18:06:00.000Z","author":"Primogen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primogen-2006-11-22T18:06:00.000Z-\"Mohinder_so_far_exhibits_no_superhuman_powers_himself.\"","replies":[]}}-->
so a new helix symbol was spotted on the greyhound bus sign http://www.9thwonders.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=37705&st=0&#entry90248 here is a link to a screencap Totallycharged 02:47, 22 November 2006 (UTC) Totallycharged__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-11-22T02:47:00.000Z","author":"Totallycharged","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Totallycharged-2006-11-22T02:47:00.000Z-Helix_sighting","replies":[]}}-->
This is a discussion question...please do not remove! I was just wondering if we need to include the fact that Peter never rescued her. Is the plot line going to continue into Villians, or did I miss something? (Wikirocks2 (talk) 08:04, 11 December 2007 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-11T08:04:00.000Z","author":"Wikirocks2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikirocks2-2007-12-11T08:04:00.000Z-Caitlin","replies":["c-Dposse-2007-12-11T12:41:00.000Z-Wikirocks2-2007-12-11T08:04:00.000Z"]}}-->
It will probably be like Back to the Future 2, were Jennifer and Einstein are in an alternative 1985, and Doc and Marty go make to 1955 and stop Biff from getting the Almanac, Doc says that space-time continuum is corrected and the alternative 1985 will go make to the real 1985 and change around Jennifer and Einstein, that probable what will happens to Caitlin see fine as the future changes with the only memory of that possible Future-RREDD13 (talk) 03:51, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T03:51:00.000Z","author":"RREDD13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RREDD13-2007-12-18T03:51:00.000Z-Caitlin","replies":[]}}-->
Hey there. Long time reader, first time contributor so be gentle. =) Taking a step back and putting aside previous discussions for a moment, why is it that we keep removing an external link to Heroes Wiki on this article? It doesn't seem to actually be a violation of any policies since we have links to external wikis on the following articles for example:
That's just a brief list of shows I know off the top of my head. If simply including links to external wikis was a violation of policy then I'm sure they wouldn't still be on some of these popular articles. I perused some prior discussions and it does seem like Heroes Wiki meets the guidelines at least as sufficiently as the wikis the articles above link to. I'm just confused why we here keep removing it since I see a lot of revert comments that claim it's because it violates a policy like WP:EL, but I think those reverts may just be happening out of habit. I know others have discussed this before and I don't want to ruffle any feathers especially since I know that I, too, am guilty in the real world of sticking to my initial beliefs and trying to find every little reason to back up my original position. I've tried to become more aware of this tendency and try to approach new discussions with an open mind. =) -Centish (talk) 18:46, 12 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-12T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Centish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Centish-2007-12-12T18:46:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-12T21:16:00.000Z-Centish-2007-12-12T18:46:00.000Z","c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-18T04:56:00.000Z-Centish-2007-12-12T18:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
After thinking about it some more, I would not have a problem with linking to heroeswiki.com. -- Ned Scott 07:18, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T07:18:00.000Z","author":"Ned Scott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-18T07:18:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-18T08:18:00.000Z-Ned_Scott-2007-12-18T07:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
Opposed - there are numerous examples of OR and speculation on the site. Some examples, found at random:
"Like The Breakfast Club's Andrew, Crash is psychologically hurt by these degrading remarks from a tough father." (opinion and analysis)
"Due to the Writers Guild of America strike the full run of the second season was cut short, making this the finale." (from the article on "Powerless"; no citations, incorrect information per referenced text here.)
The article on Peter Petrelli includes speculation as to his abilities, details which have been considerd and rejected here due to a lack of verifiability. There's even an entire section on fan theories and speculation, and the style guide demonstrates how the site has a very different attitude than Wikipedia. It is a fan site - nothing wrong with that per se, but it is not a suitable EL candidate. --Ckatzchatspy 09:34, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T09:34:00.000Z","author":"Ckatz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ckatz-2007-12-18T09:34:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-18T11:04:00.000Z-Ckatz-2007-12-18T09:34:00.000Z"]}}-->
The issue I would have adding links like this is that this appears to be an official link and would lend support to the OR and speculation we are already having a huge problem with. Between the problems we are having keeping Peter's and Angela's articles clean I'd think we don't want to add encouragement. Padillah (talk) 13:44, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Padillah","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Padillah-2007-12-18T13:44:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Fredrick_day-2007-12-18T13:49:00.000Z-Padillah-2007-12-18T13:44:00.000Z","c-Centish-2007-12-18T14:13:00.000Z-Padillah-2007-12-18T13:44:00.000Z","c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-19T00:27:00.000Z-Padillah-2007-12-18T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
Surely if a site has content that Wikipedia can't accept (like OR) then that is more of a reason to link it, not less. If the content of heroeswiki.com was purely encyclopedic, then we ought to incorporate that content into Wikipedia rather than linking to it. However, since it would quickly be deleted from here as fancruft, OR, speculation, or whatever, then we need to link to that instead. (Note - heroeswiki.com is not a wikia site, so this isn't a COI) Angela. 23:12, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Angela","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Angela-2007-12-18T23:12:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Ned_Scott-2007-12-19T00:29:00.000Z-Angela-2007-12-18T23:12:00.000Z","c-Padillah-2007-12-20T13:10:00.000Z-Angela-2007-12-18T23:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
The link passes WP:EL, I not sure what we are actually discussing anymore because it's surely not that. As a sidenote, some people some people seem to have Wikipedia and Wikis confused in their minds. Wikipedia is a wiki, not all wikis are wikpedia - there are not inherent properties in regards to content that must be present before something can be considered a wiki. The other arguments presented here (and explicitly so) are WP:IDONTLIKEIT. --Fredrick day (talk) 10:06, 21 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-21T10:06:00.000Z","author":"Fredrick day","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fredrick_day-2007-12-21T10:06:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Padillah-2007-12-21T13:48:00.000Z-Fredrick_day-2007-12-21T10:06:00.000Z"]}}-->
I was completely unable to participate in this overthe past few days, and while policy states that linking to off-site wikis is allowed, and so on, that doesn't inherently mandate it either. We've previously had the wikis linked, and that became fodder for more vandalism and cross-pollination of crappy fan theory and speculation, which was 'sourced' to the offsite wiki, using the logic' well, that other wiki has it, this one must have it as well. Then we spend a great deal of our limited resources constantly reverting vaguely good faith vaguely vandalous entries over and over. Many such editors do not care about our policies and use OTHERCRAPEXISTS to get around our real content policies. there's only so much feeding the TROLLS and BEANS i'm willing to see this page plagued with. ThuranX (talk) 22:05, 22 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-22T22:05:00.000Z","author":"ThuranX","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThuranX-2007-12-22T22:05:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":["c-Centish-2007-12-23T00:05:00.000Z-ThuranX-2007-12-22T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi everyone. =) It's been about a week with no additional comments, so I just wanted to check and see if it's because everyone's been busy with the holidays (I know I have!) or whether there is indeed now consensus that policy does allow the link to be added. If there's any additional information that hasn't yet been addressed above, feel free to contribute! --Centish (talk) 08:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-30T08:30:00.000Z","author":"Centish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Centish-2007-12-30T08:30:00.000Z-External_wikis","replies":[]}}-->
- I know this is a little trivial, but they list the cast out of alphbetical order in the beginning of every episode, so I think this page should follow suit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.42.73.145 (talk) 08:08, 13 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-13T08:08:00.000Z","author":"75.42.73.145","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-75.42.73.145-2007-12-13T08:08:00.000Z-Should_we_list_the_characters_in_alphabetical_order_according_to_actor's_last_na","replies":["c-Ged_UK-2007-12-13T08:15:00.000Z-75.42.73.145-2007-12-13T08:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
Sylar is a main charcter he appeares in nearly every episode in series 1 and without him Claire isn't a main character. Ando is a main character because without him Hero would never kill Sylar. This in itself is another reason why Sylar is a main character because if Sylar wasn't in series 1 then Hero would have no point either. (Electrobe (talk) 18:44, 15 December 2007 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-15T18:44:00.000Z","author":"Electrobe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Electrobe-2007-12-15T18:44:00.000Z-Sylar_and_Ando_are_main_characters_in_series_1","replies":["c-Magkaz-2007-12-15T18:55:00.000Z-Electrobe-2007-12-15T18:44:00.000Z"]}}-->
You ask for proof for my cause but seem to produce none for your own. And although you ask me to stop undoing your edits can i point out you are doing that to me and so stop being a hypocrite. (Electrobe (talk) 20:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-15T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Electrobe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Electrobe-2007-12-15T20:06:00.000Z-Sylar_and_Ando_are_main_characters_in_series_1","replies":["c-Val42-2007-12-15T21:43:00.000Z-Electrobe-2007-12-15T20:06:00.000Z"]}}-->
Magkaz has also violated this rule and has undone my editing while this dissucion is undway while i explicitally asked him/her not to. {Electrobe (talk) 08:11, 16 December 2007 (UTC)}__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-16T08:11:00.000Z","author":"Electrobe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Electrobe-2007-12-16T08:11:00.000Z-Sylar_and_Ando_are_main_characters_in_series_1","replies":["c-Magkaz-2007-12-16T10:27:00.000Z-Electrobe-2007-12-16T08:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
Electrobe is being a deliberately tendentious editor. I left a message for him about the Sylar thing yesterday, and he deleted it from his talk page, and continued to make the same edit over and over. Seek a block from an admin. He's violating the rules, and knows that he's breaking rules, ignoring policy, and is fully aware of his disruption. ThuranX (talk) 17:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-16T17:34:00.000Z","author":"ThuranX","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThuranX-2007-12-16T17:34:00.000Z-Sylar_and_Ando_are_main_characters_in_series_1","replies":[]}}-->
You guys (and others online, including NBC) are confusing "main cast" with "main characters". The first is a production term, the second a writing term. Sylar was not part of the main cast, but I wouldn't call the statement "Sylar was a main character" incorrect. --TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-22T10:39:00.000Z","author":"TheDJ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheDJ-2007-12-22T10:39:00.000Z-Sylar_and_Ando_are_main_characters_in_series_1","replies":["c-Wikirocks-2007-12-22T11:16:00.000Z-TheDJ-2007-12-22T10:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
The virus isn't a symbol in the sense of everything else under that section. It's not a motif and it doesn't symbolize anything, it's just a plot point. 87.97.80.167 (talk) 17:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-11T17:42:00.000Z","author":"87.97.80.167","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-87.97.80.167-2007-12-11T17:42:00.000Z-The_virus_is_not_a_symbol","replies":["c-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-16T04:00:00.000Z-87.97.80.167-2007-12-11T17:42:00.000Z"]}}-->
The virus isn't a symbol... it's just a plotline. Ophois (talk) 07:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-16T07:40:00.000Z","author":"Ophois","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ophois-2007-12-16T07:40:00.000Z-The_virus_is_not_a_symbol","replies":["c-Ckatz-2007-12-16T09:47:00.000Z-Ophois-2007-12-16T07:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
whoa! you have a lot of IP addresses. Is this allowed? I think that violates wikipedia policy. I just noticed that you have posted from three different IP addresses. that is definetly sock puppetry and is a violation of wikipedia's multiple IP address policy. you need to review the policy and strongly consider registering from a home computer or personal computer--Chrisisinchrist (talk) 17:38, 16 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-16T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Chrisisinchrist","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-16T17:38:00.000Z-The_virus_is_not_a_symbol","replies":["c-87.97.126.215-2007-12-16T18:07:00.000Z-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-16T17:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
(Undent) Politely bringing the discussion back... (though I do think registering on wiki is a good idea)... I think at the beginning of the season (even back in s1), the virus was surrounded in more mystery, such as the other recurring 'mythology'. Once the story arc of volume 2 began to center around the virus more, we learned more about it and it became a central plot point of Heroes. I think at this point, it's evolved past any of the other recurring elements and should maybe be incorporated into the volume's synopsis. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Magkaz (talk • contribs) 01:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-17T01:16:00.000Z","author":"Magkaz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Magkaz-2007-12-17T01:16:00.000Z-The_virus_is_not_a_symbol","replies":["c-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-17T03:03:00.000Z-Magkaz-2007-12-17T01:16:00.000Z"]}}-->
In retrospect, my accusation wasn't all that fair; it was based on another sock-puppet last year who offered the same defense. I should have AGF's a bit more, instead of jumping to the conclusion that the situation was the same. I tender my apology for it. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 16:43, 18 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-18T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Arcayne","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arcayne-2007-12-18T16:43:00.000Z-The_virus_is_not_a_symbol","replies":["c-Jacobshaven3-2007-12-18T16:44:00.000Z-Arcayne-2007-12-18T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->
There seems to be a lot of recent edit warring on this article, with several editors having broken the three-revert rule in recent hours. This kind of editing is highly disruptive and will get the participants blocked if it continues. Please continue to discuss the issues on the talk page but don't make these unnecessary edits that you know will probably only be reverted in a matter of minutes. Gain agreement and then edit. --Tony Sidaway 12:01, 16 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-16T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Tony Sidaway","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tony_Sidaway-2007-12-16T12:01:00.000Z-Edit_warring_on_this_article","replies":["c-Chrisisinchrist-2007-12-16T17:35:00.000Z-Tony_Sidaway-2007-12-16T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->
Apparently Heroes is coming back the 14th of January? It was from the December 17th article of The New Yorker. http://www.newyorkercollegetour.com/websites/readerlink/sections/index.html There it is.-Babylon pride (talk) 01:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-19T01:35:00.000Z","author":"Babylon pride","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Babylon_pride-2007-12-19T01:35:00.000Z-Return_of_Heroes","replies":["c-Harlock_jds-2007-12-19T01:44:00.000Z-Babylon_pride-2007-12-19T01:35:00.000Z"]}}-->
(←dent) Good to learn (I for one thought the season was done). - Arcayne (cast a spell) 15:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-19T15:28:00.000Z","author":"Arcayne","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Arcayne-2007-12-19T15:28:00.000Z-Return_of_Heroes","replies":["c-Babylon_pride-2007-12-19T19:02:00.000Z-Arcayne-2007-12-19T15:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
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