Has it been mentioned in any news sources if there was actual business or official research Dr. Rekers was conducting in Europe? Was it purely a pleasure trip? Codenamemary (talk) 21:09, 14 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-14T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Codenamemary","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Codenamemary-2010-05-14T21:09:00.000Z-Vacation,_or_Business_Trip?","replies":["c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-14T21:48:00.000Z-Codenamemary-2010-05-14T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
I added some stuff from Christianity today, it seems they are reporting on Rekers' new euphemism "unwise decision". It is interesting, because it appears that he knew Gio for a month before the trip. This got me interested, and in the interview with Gio, he says this was a vacation [1]; if you put this together with the eight-hours a day companionship he was contracted for, then it would make sense that they went on holiday together - because if this had been a professional trip, Rekers would have been busy at meetings/seminars/conferences for most of the time. It is interesting how the commentaries seem to have elided that this was a holiday. I was wrong about the locations, it was Britian (London), but the other city was Madrid (Spain). Mish (talk) 03:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-15T03:08:00.000Z","author":"MishMich","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MishMich-2010-05-15T03:08:00.000Z-Vacation,_or_Business_Trip?","replies":["c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-15T10:12:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-15T03:08:00.000Z","c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-15T10:49:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-15T03:08:00.000Z","c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-15T12:00:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-15T03:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mish"}}-->
It is worth at least a section all by itself to note the hypocrisy of the christianists regarding this matter. First, the usual stalinesque purge of Dr. Rekers and denials they know him...or at least, have seen him in the last ten years. Then, the usual bull about how he's fallen, etc. Next, the threats of legal action against them thar libruls and, finally, the three "good" "Christian" advisors to bring him back onto the path of betterosexuality. Notable, reported in the non-gay-blog, non-alternative papers and comparable to several others of these christianists when they get caught.
Mish, Haggard threw up similar smoke screens regarding that hunk of a hunk of manly man he was, um, er, "seeing". Yes, "seeing". His excuse was his drug addiction and the guy was his candy-man, er, um, source and well, he just, um, not in a gay, way, sort of just slipped and fell into the guy. So to speak.
MishMich, I have no problem at all with the changes you have made to that section. I only think they weren't necessary as a response to the other editor's concerns: his complaint was rooted largely in an accusation against the "POV" of the editor who wrote that portion (you -- though he clearly didn't know it was you). It's worth noting that that editor has been temporarily blocked for disruptive editing ([3]). Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:21, 15 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-15T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Nomoskedasticity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-05-15T18:21:00.000Z-Vacation,_or_Business_Trip?","replies":["c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-16T18:21:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2010-05-15T18:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
OK, not bloviating or avoiding editing - this has been an ongoing question on this topic from the beginning: Do we count MiamiNewTimes as a valid source or not? The question arises because of this article: http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com/riptide/2010/05/before_he_hired_an_escort_reke.php I would very much like to incorporate as much as possible on both incidents. A man whose work causes suicide attempts and involves beating kids to make them conform to conservative Christian notions of behavior (heteronormative male and female behavior) should not be listed as a source for notable psychologist working in the field without explaining the background of his work: Beat young children until they conform.Panthera germanicus (talk) 12:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T12:46:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-17T12:46:00.000Z-Integrating_Reports_of_Beating_Children","replies":["c-Milowent-2010-05-17T13:19:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-17T12:46:00.000Z","c-MishMich-2010-05-17T13:46:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-17T12:46:00.000Z","c-MishMich-2010-05-17T17:20:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-17T12:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes, Miami New Times is a valid source. I don't know if I'm using the correct publishing terminology, but it's a subsidary (or part of the same syndicate) as The Village Voice, under the agis of the same general editor. Teresa Carpenter won a Pulitzer Prize writing for The Village Voice. (Vol. XXX No. 45) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codenamemary (talk • contribs) 18:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T18:00:00.000Z","author":"Codenamemary","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Codenamemary-2010-05-17T18:00:00.000Z-Integrating_Reports_of_Beating_Children","replies":["c-Milowent-2010-05-17T18:17:00.000Z-Codenamemary-2010-05-17T18:00:00.000Z"]}}-->
He appeared on a 2004 episode of "American Justice" called The Susan Smith Story: A Mother's Confession because he authored the 1997 book Susan Smith: Victim or Murderer. Amazon.com mentions he's "the clinical psychologist who served as the designated spokesperson for the University of South Carolina School of Medicine, where Smith had her mental evaluation." So this is why he ended up being interviewed for the A&E show. I wonder if the main article should have a link to this, at some point. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2660878/board/threads/ Codenamemary (talk) 21:00, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Codenamemary","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Codenamemary-2010-05-17T21:00:00.000Z-Rekers_is_listed_at_imdb","replies":[]}}-->
Drama critic Frank Rich has a piece up, "A Heaven-Sent Rent Boy": http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/opinion/16rich.html?hp —Preceding unsigned comment added by Codenamemary (talk • contribs) 21:07, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T21:07:00.000Z","author":"Codenamemary","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Codenamemary-2010-05-17T21:07:00.000Z-New_York_Times_mention","replies":[]}}-->
Mish, I agree that Dr. Rekers has had an influence on the work of many psychologists working in the field of gender studies. My sole concern is that the article be NPOV. After being blocked and threatened with indefinite ban the moment I first raised objections (of course there no possible connection between the two, oh no) I am very much working under the assumption that some editors - not you - will indeed try to cast things in a very NOPV light. Any questions I put, any doubts I may have arise from that basis.Panthera germanicus (talk) 11:46, 18 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-18T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-18T11:46:00.000Z-New_York_Times_mention","replies":["c-Codenamemary-2010-05-18T18:53:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-18T11:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
Added comment by Director of NIH on this group. For a civil servant in his position, this is about as nasty a statement as one can imagine. I am so not good at edits (which is why I used to ask for help on discussion pages), so if anybody can clean up the footnote I'd be much obliged. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panthera germanicus (talk • contribs) 12:29, 18 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-18T12:29:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-18T12:29:00.000Z-American_College_of_Pediatricians","replies":["c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-18T16:18:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-18T12:29:00.000Z"]}}-->
you have one of the leading and prominent anti-homosexuals in the country, a doctor who has written extensively on the subject who is caught with a "rent-a-boy" Rekers claims all he was doing was carrying his luggage, yet the rent-a-boy claims " according to one report "Rekers allegedly named his favorite maneuver the "long stroke" -- a complicated caress "across his penis, thigh... and his anus over the butt cheeks," as the escort puts it. "Rekers liked to be rubbed down there," he says" and those details keep getting deleted from the article. these are not sorid details, they are vital ones and lend balance to the allegations. That quote is well sourced and provide the reader some insight into the allegations. please stop deleting this information.
More the previous entry only stated that Rekers got a naked massage daily, well most ALL massages are naked, you wear a towel or something. THAT is why I keep adding those details, so the reader will understand this was not a typical "naked" massage. I get massages, my wife gets them, we are always naked (but covered with a towel) so it's important to distinguish what is being portrayed.
This misrepresents what the text says. It does not say the massage was naked, it says (and has for some time now) "naked sexual massage". That seems sufficient to clarify it was more than just a massage, according to the masseur. My own view is that if we are going to include Reker's statement about how he witnessed about Jesus Christ on several occasions during their vacation together, and the companion states there was a specific form of massage, then NPOV suggests we give equal weight to both versions. However, if we omit the prominence given to Rekers' denial of any 'impropriety', such as his assertion that he was proselytising, then we don't need to go into detail about 'the other side of the story', just that he denies anything like that happened, while the other party says there was sexual massage. There has to be parity, as both sources are equally reliable as far as we are aware. Mish (talk) 21:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-19T21:05:00.000Z","author":"MishMich","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MishMich-2010-05-19T21:05:00.000Z-Very_important_details","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-05-19T21:25:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-19T21:05:00.000Z","c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T21:32:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-19T21:05:00.000Z","c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T23:14:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-05-19T21:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mish"}}-->
"'Jo-vanni in news reports, has told various media outlets that he gave Rekers daily massages in the nude during the trip, which included genital touching."[1] He also talked about how he believed that Rekers was, in fact, homosexual:
Don't want to step on any toes, not bloviating or being disruptive here. Definitely something better to ask first rather than just to change given the enormous fights one finds on the subject elsewhere on Wikepedia. The article begins in US English, Dr. Rekers is an American. Obviously, cited text remains in the variant of original composition. Several words in our edited text, however, appear in both variations. Should we harmonize them to one version? I don't care, personally, would, however, suppose US English to be preferable.Panthera germanicus (talk) 11:05, 19 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-19T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T11:05:00.000Z-UK_or_US_English?","replies":["c-MishMich-2010-05-19T15:58:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T11:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
Once this article is more or less in shape, I think I will probably take a course in working on the encyclopedia before I do anything else. I can't remember a nastier working environment anywhere in my life. It looks as though Florida might end up in a law suit because of Dr. Reker's charges for testifying. Should that come to be, I don't see how to incorporate it into the current structure - it is already too chaotic for what's there now.Panthera germanicus (talk) 17:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-19T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T17:38:00.000Z-UK_or_US_English?","replies":["c-Codenamemary-2010-05-19T20:48:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-19T17:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi, a while back, I made a quick comment on the discussion page that this sentence (or a variant of it) may not have been as neutral as intended:
"According to the New Times, he made it clear that he had met Rekers through Rentboy.com and denied that he had been hired to carry luggage.[56] Dan Savage, of the column, Savage Love has suggested that "whatever lifts your luggage" replace the phrase "whatever floats your boat", in reference to George Rekers's statement that he used a male prostitute to lift his luggage."
My point was just that, saying the rent boy 'made it clear that he had met Rekers though Rentboy.com' sounds like the Rentboy settled the issue; that he perhaps offered some sort of evidence which put the issue to bed. I would just suggest that there is a difference between, say, "Nixon made it clear that he did nothing illegal," and "Nixon made it clear he thought he had done nothing illegal."
Now I'm not here claiming that this is correct, but my original post seems to have been removed from the discussion page. Is this because it was so obviously erroneous? If so, could someone please explain to me how? I'd be happy just to know what other posters thought was so wrong about it that a response could not be left on the discussion page. I'd just not like to make similar mistakes in future.
Thank you all. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.45.146.36 (talk) 10:49, 21 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-21T10:49:00.000Z","author":"203.45.146.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.45.146.36-2010-05-21T10:49:00.000Z-Quick_q_about_discussion","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-05-21T11:26:00.000Z-203.45.146.36-2010-05-21T10:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
Hi, thanks for all that; I didn't realise discussion pages got archived under these circumstances -- thanks for clearing that up.
As for the actual detail of my comment, I'm not that bothered, it was a minor point, and I certainly won't be pushing it, but I will just clarify it because I think it has been taken wrongly: I was merely saying that the use of the phrase 'made it clear' made it sound like the rent-boy's word put paid to the issue (irrespective of whether it clashes with sourced quotes from Rekers).
My comment was not questioning the reliability of the Times: I am happy for the wikiarticle to say that the rent-boy was hired through rentboy.com, if the Times reported this. I am happy for the wikiarticle to say that the rentboy says he was hired from rentboy.com, if the Times reported he said that. My issue is with concluding too much from what the rentboy said -- it's kind of like (in a more extreme sense) saying "According the the New York Times, the rent-boy proved he had been hired through rent-boy.com" (where the rent-boy merely claimed it).
As for my example not holding up, I disagree, but we can simply use another example instead: I think there is a difference between saying "Nixon made it clear that he did not sanction breaking and entering" and "Nixon claimed he did not sanction breaking and entering" (where, in the wikiarticle, the first is being used, but is justified solely by the second). But I want you to know that I am not asking for a revision, it is a minor point to say the least -- it was just something that occurred to me while I was reading it and I thought, "Oh, that's a bit unfair." Not that he doesn't deserve the unfairness -- but not that he does, either.203.45.146.36 (talk) 06:07, 22 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-22T06:07:00.000Z","author":"203.45.146.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.45.146.36-2010-05-22T06:07:00.000Z-Quick_q_about_discussion","replies":[]}}-->
Hi again, I've just seen the original response to my original post, and that seems fair. If the times reported that the rent-boy's word made x clear, or proved x, or whatever, then it's fair to report that the Times says the rent-boy's word made x clear, or proved x, or whatever. I still think unjusified conclusions are being drawn, but it is the Times doing that, not wikipedia. I can only note that, for some reason, the source material seems to in some way glide over the use of the term 'made it clear' in a way that the wikiarticle doesn't seem to do -- but that is not something I can put my finger on, and if no-one else can either then I think it's fine that the article be left as is. Sorry for bothering everyone.203.45.146.36 (talk) 06:28, 22 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-22T06:28:00.000Z","author":"203.45.146.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.45.146.36-2010-05-22T06:28:00.000Z-Quick_q_about_discussion","replies":["c-MishMich-2010-05-22T08:44:00.000Z-203.45.146.36-2010-05-22T06:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
Oh, hey, thanks for that; yeah that's exactly all I meant, that the wording was coming across a little different than I think was intended. Sorry for originally making it sound like a rehash of the Off2riorob debate. 203.45.146.36 (talk) 01:03, 23 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-23T01:03:00.000Z","author":"203.45.146.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.45.146.36-2010-05-23T01:03:00.000Z-Quick_q_about_discussion","replies":[]}}-->
Congratulations, Nomoskedasticity and Sandstein. Because of you two, I have left Wikipedia as an editor forever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panthera germanicus (talk • contribs) 17:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-28T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Panthera germanicus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-28T17:40:00.000Z-Quick_q_about_discussion","replies":["c-69.198.205.2-2010-06-02T00:46:00.000Z-Panthera_germanicus-2010-05-28T17:40:00.000Z"]}}-->
Just leaving a note here to say that I removed some material from the lead that looked as though it was very poorly sourced. I can see some better sources for the same material deeper in the article, but I don't have time to add them now. I'll do it later or tomorrow if no one else beats me to it. SlimVirgin talk|contribs 01:08, 19 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-19T01:08:00.000Z","author":"SlimVirgin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SlimVirgin-2010-08-19T01:08:00.000Z-Lead","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-08-19T01:29:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2010-08-19T01:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
I note somebody has been editing to manage the disappearing sources. It looks like sites associated with Rekers' are either closing down or taking down relevant pages. If this is to continue, then I am not clear how we manage this. Mish (talk) 08:53, 5 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-05T08:53:00.000Z","author":"MishMich","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MishMich-2010-06-05T08:53:00.000Z-Vanishing_sources","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-06-05T09:34:00.000Z-MishMich-2010-06-05T08:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mish"}}-->
I think it would be helpful to note in the article that these sites are down and also to date when they went down. It would be original research to say that "This site went down on June 4, 2010" would it not? Is there a way that this can be noted without a reliable source reporting it? Blue Rasberry 16:28, 5 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-05T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Bluerasberry","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bluerasberry-2010-06-05T16:28:00.000Z-Vanishing_sources","replies":["c-MishMich-2010-06-06T21:48:00.000Z-Bluerasberry-2010-06-05T16:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
Given that there is no secondary sources for these affiliations/activities, and that the primary sources no longer exist, is there any reason to mention these, apparently 'vanity' websites/ministries? HrafnTalkStalk(P) 11:38, 7 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-07T11:38:00.000Z","author":"Hrafn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hrafn-2010-11-07T11:38:00.000Z-Noteworthiness_of_these_affiliations","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-11-07T12:13:00.000Z-Hrafn-2010-11-07T11:38:00.000Z"]}}-->
http://www.iaii.org/The_IAII_Team.html no longer exists, not on the web, not on WayBack, not anywhere (with the possible exception of Rekers', or his webmaster's harddrive). I have gone through the relevant parts of WP:LINKROT (which is only a how-to, not policy) to attempt to find an alternative URL, but none appears to be available. The source no longer exists in any published form, so is no longer verifiable. Therefore, unless anybody can suggest some other way of finding an alternative URL, per WP:V (which is policy) I am challenging the verifiability of the passage sourced to this broken link. HrafnTalkStalk(P) 17:30, 17 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-17T17:30:00.000Z","author":"Hrafn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hrafn-2010-11-17T17:30:00.000Z-Link-rotten_source","replies":["c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-11-17T18:42:00.000Z-Hrafn-2010-11-17T17:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
HrafnTalkStalk(P) 03:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-18T03:49:00.000Z","author":"Hrafn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hrafn-2010-11-18T03:49:00.000Z-Link-rotten_source","replies":["c-Bluerasberry-2010-11-18T04:03:00.000Z-Hrafn-2010-11-18T03:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm concerned that this section is growing in ways that aren't sufficiently connected to Rekers. Obviously the section itself is relevant. But I think it would be better to create a separate article, as the preferred location for material on that organization itself. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-24T06:28:00.000Z","author":"Nomoskedasticity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nomoskedasticity-2010-06-24T06:28:00.000Z-Section_on_American_College_of_Pediatricians","replies":["c-KJBurns-2010-06-24T23:46:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2010-06-24T06:28:00.000Z","c-John_Vandenberg-2010-11-10T09:49:00.000Z-Nomoskedasticity-2010-06-24T06:28:00.000Z"]}}-->
The source 'NARTHcomment' is heavily used in this article, and it seems to have disappeared. There were fears something like this might happen[10] and it looks like this contains a copy of it. Several news sources have mentioned the response from NARTH and reprinted some of what it contained. We need to re-source our content to the news sources. John Vandenberg (chat) 11:19, 10 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-10T11:19:00.000Z","author":"John Vandenberg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_Vandenberg-2010-11-10T11:19:00.000Z-NARTH_announcement","replies":[]}}-->
Here's the results of searching the Proquest newspaper archive. Virtually all of the entries are reliable sources, though the numbers can be skewed by syndicated columns that appear in multiple papers.
I checked "male prostitute" and there are several duplicates, so my guess is that all these terms are used more or less interchangeably with no clear preference among newspaper sources. I can provide excerpts from any of the sources, and if anyone can think of other possible terms I can check those too. Will Beback talk 00:27, 11 November 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-11-11T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Will Beback","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Will_Beback-2010-11-11T00:27:00.000Z-undue","replies":["c-John_Vandenberg-2010-11-11T01:11:00.000Z-Will_Beback-2010-11-11T00:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
[11] reverted an IP that removed the possibly WP:SYN statement that Zuker and other guys use Rekers' development of Green's work. The IP seems to be correct. While [12] for instance cites both papers of Rekers and Green, it makes no claim that Rekers' work extends somehow Green's (although it does imply that Zucker's extends Green's). Tijfo098 (talk) 01:32, 3 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-03T01:32:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2011-05-03T01:32:00.000Z-Improper_synthesis?","replies":["c-Hrafn-2011-05-03T06:17:00.000Z-Tijfo098-2011-05-03T01:32:00.000Z","c-Hrafn-2011-05-10T05:39:00.000Z-Tijfo098-2011-05-03T01:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
The general claim that "Rekers'" classification is in use today was also dubious. Di Ceglie (2000) wrote:
citing:
So, that distinction became unsatisfactory only two years after initial publication, even to its authors. Tijfo098 (talk) 02:55, 11 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-11T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2011-05-11T02:55:00.000Z-Improper_synthesis?","replies":[]}}-->
Rekers wrote in 1988 that Zucker's 1982 paper (doi:10.1016/S0002-7138(09)60883-9) found his procedure (of evaluating children's play) to have diagnostic utility. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-11T03:26:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2011-05-11T03:26:00.000Z-Improper_synthesis?","replies":[]}}-->
Probably a better source for evaluating Rerker's research in the area of GID is the more recent 1995 book of Zucker and Bradley. I see Rekers shows up a good number of times (on a GB search) in it, but I haven't read the passages. Tijfo098 (talk) 03:41, 11 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-11T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Tijfo098","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tijfo098-2011-05-11T03:41:00.000Z-Improper_synthesis?","replies":[]}}-->
I was curious to see what courses this fellow taught and went to the University's website, but I cannot find anyone by the name Rekers in their faculty list. I can't imagine that this is the sort of credential one makes up, but trying to source it just gave me links that looked as though they had grabbed their information from wiki or from Rekers own webpage. 99.89.12.255 (talk) 02:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-08T02:39:00.000Z","author":"99.89.12.255","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-99.89.12.255-2011-06-08T02:39:00.000Z-University_of_South_Carolina","replies":["c-Will_Beback-2011-06-08T04:12:00.000Z-99.89.12.255-2011-06-08T02:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
This guy has been back in the news recently: http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/06/07/sissy.boy.experiment/index.html?hpt=hp_c1 I thought I'd post that for those who are watching, I'll try to swing back later this week to incorporate this in to the article. --MTHarden (talk) 12:45, 8 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-08T12:45:00.000Z","author":"MTHarden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MTHarden-2011-06-08T12:45:00.000Z-Gender_Therapy_with_Kirk\/Kraig","replies":["c-Bluerasberry-2011-06-08T15:56:00.000Z-MTHarden-2011-06-08T12:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
Jim Burroway has done much more extensive research on Rekers (aka 'The gay Mengele') than CNN: http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.117.134.245 (talk) 20:49, 9 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-09T20:49:00.000Z","author":"99.117.134.245","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-99.117.134.245-2011-06-09T20:49:00.000Z-Gender_Therapy_with_Kirk\/Kraig","replies":[]}}-->
Sources related to Kirk/Kreig:
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-09T03:52:00.000Z","author":"WhisperToMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhisperToMe-2011-06-09T03:52:00.000Z-Gender_Therapy_with_Kirk\/Kraig","replies":["c-Josiah_Rowe-2011-06-09T23:01:00.000Z-WhisperToMe-2011-06-09T03:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
there needs to be some kind of disclaimer on the external link to factsaboutyouth.com. there is nothing factual on that website. it's not wikipedia's job to do this, but the harm that website causes is more important. StarDust787 (talk) 20:19, 11 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-11T20:19:00.000Z","author":"StarDust787","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-StarDust787-2011-06-11T20:19:00.000Z-external_links","replies":["c-Will_Beback-2011-06-11T20:41:00.000Z-StarDust787-2011-06-11T20:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
It is deeply satisfying to see how well this article has developed. I have followed it over the last years and what stand here now is enormously better than I had ever dared to hope. This process of editing of this article, over time (see the archived discussion pages) also illustrates quite well why Wikipedia is losing so many editors and having such enormous trouble finding new editors willing to stick around. First, the abuse of all the rules and regulations to attack those who did not share the world view of those established editors to whom the article very definitely belongs. Then, the drive by administrative attacks (especially by one admin in particular) which were exclusively used to prevent editors from violating the territory marked out by editors belonging to the inner circle. Finally, the 'bite the newbies' attacks, again by that one admin and the established editors. The mediation process failed here totally. The 'assume good will' process failed totally. This article and all the lines of discussion should be used as examples of just what is not right here at Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.57.209.177 (talk) 16:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-30T16:41:00.000Z","author":"70.57.209.177","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-70.57.209.177-2011-08-30T16:41:00.000Z-external_links","replies":[]}}-->
Sources related to the rent boy stuff:
WhisperToMe (talk) 03:52, 9 June 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-06-09T03:52:00.000Z","author":"WhisperToMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WhisperToMe-2011-06-09T03:52:00.000Z-Rent_boy_at_Miami_Airport_sources","replies":[]}}-->
I'm guessing that calling Rekers a "closet homosexual" or putting him in any sort of gay categories would be still be considered a BLP violation.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 17:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-11-10T17:13:00.000Z","author":"Scottandrewhutchins","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scottandrewhutchins-2011-11-10T17:13:00.000Z-Rent_boy_at_Miami_Airport_sources","replies":["c-Bluerasberry-2011-11-11T00:19:00.000Z-Scottandrewhutchins-2011-11-10T17:13:00.000Z"]}}-->
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