The word Tigrinya and its link page should be taken out of the official designation of Eritrea. The official emblem and designation of Eritrea does not have the word Tigrinya in it. It has Hagere Ertra on the left and Dawlat Eritrea on the right. Please take out the word TIgrignya as Tigrnya is only one of the nine languages and does not appear in the official designation of the state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teweldino (talk • contribs) 22:11, 14 February 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-02-14T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Teweldino","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teweldino-2014-02-14T22:11:00.000Z-Please_Fix_The_official_designation_of_State_of_Eritrea.","replies":["c-Gyrofrog-2014-02-14T22:30:00.000Z-Teweldino-2014-02-14T22:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
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For the approximate time that Christianity was adopted by Eritrea, the source cited is not sufficient. It merely states that *when* Islam had conquered Egypt it came into conflict with the Christianity in Eritrea. That's all. This does not infer that that adoption was "shortly" after the 1st or 2nd centuries.Wjhonson (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-04-21T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Wjhonson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wjhonson-2014-04-21T16:45:00.000Z-Adoption_of_Christianity","replies":[]}}-->
I suggest that we add pictures of all nine ethnic groups in Eritrea or remove the picture of two ethnic group pictures in the demographics section. Referring to the Tigrinya Eritrean wedding picture[1] and the saho women picture.[2] These groups don't reflects all the groups or the diversity within Eritrea. Even if the Tigrinya's make up big part of the population (55%) and the saho's make up (2-4%) there are seven group's left out. The nine ethnic groups are all treated equal in Eritrea.
For example Ethiopia got approximately 90 ethnic groups but there is not picture's referring to ethnic group. It's pretty the same with any other country page.
A option could be to replace them with a picture of notable Eritrean's in the American diaspora. [3] Or any other picture that can be suggested. However, best option would be to remove them and since it would be tricky to add nine picture's of all groups.
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(Disagreement that only two pictures of Eritrea's ethnic groups (with traditional costumes) are represented in the article in language & demographics section. Since Eritrea has nine ethnic groups with different languages, traditions, religions.) Lightbreather (talk) 19:38, 11 June 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-11T19:38:00.000Z","author":"Lightbreather","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lightbreather-2014-06-11T19:38:00.000Z-Picture_of_Eritrea's_ethnic_groups_in_the_demographics_section","replies":[]}}-->
Wow, that template didn't work as advertised - or maybe I did something wrong. Anyway, this is my response to your 3rd opinion request: While it would be preferable to have photos representative of each ethnic group, I know of no policy that says photos should be withheld until all groups can be represented pictorially. Do suggest, if it's verifiable, that the caption for the "wedding in Eritrea" be expanded to include that group's ethnicity. Also, suggest you visit Wikimedia Commons and possibly reach out to photographer there, Dawit Rezenè. Perhaps he/she could help you? Lightbreather (talk) 19:45, 11 June 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-11T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Lightbreather","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lightbreather-2014-06-11T19:45:00.000Z-Picture_of_Eritrea's_ethnic_groups_in_the_demographics_section","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2014-06-11T19:50:00.000Z-Lightbreather-2014-06-11T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
Vetrisimino0, I don't know why you think my opinion doesn't count. I don't want to be rude to someone as new as you are, but of course my opinion counts. That's the way it works. Dougweller (talk) 14:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-12T14:30:00.000Z","author":"Dougweller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dougweller-2014-06-12T14:30:00.000Z-Picture_of_Eritrea's_ethnic_groups_in_the_demographics_section","replies":[]}}-->
Vetrisimino0: As can be seen above, I have replied to all of your various claims, so there's no point in suggesting othwerise. At any rate, you now appear to be contradicting your original position that images of only a few groups would "offence anyone from a specific group". This is apparently not true since you've just proposed images from roughly the same number of ethnic groups. It's also evident that you have something against the wedding image in particular that you are not divulging since you just suggested replacing it with one of two others of people that you indicated were from the same Tigrinya ethnic group (including one copyright violation, btw). It would have been best if you had been upfront about these personal reservations from the start so that they could be assessed on their own merits. Middayexpress (talk) 14:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-12T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Middayexpress","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Middayexpress-2014-06-12T14:59:00.000Z-Picture_of_Eritrea's_ethnic_groups_in_the_demographics_section","replies":["c-Vetrisimino0-2014-06-13T12:55:00.000Z-Middayexpress-2014-06-12T14:59:00.000Z"]}}-->
The author has granted the permission to use this photo [10] on wikipedia.org. The phtot will be relicensed according to the Commons licensing policy. So it is not necessary to redelete it all the time user:middayexpress. Vetrisimino0 (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-09-30T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Vetrisimino0","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vetrisimino0-2014-09-30T17:27:00.000Z-Wildlife_file","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2014-09-30T17:36:00.000Z-Vetrisimino0-2014-09-30T17:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thought folks editing this page would find this discussion of interest: Talk:Female_genital_mutilation#Prevalence_stats_way_off--04:04, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I have restored the Tour of Eritrea and kitcha files that were removed with no explanation, as well as a sentence on the cultural similarities between Eritrea and other nations in the Horn region. I also removed a large file on one Faytinga that was added in their place, due to file clutter and since her brand of Nilotic Kunama traditional music is not charateristic of that of Eritrea's majority Afro-Asiatic communities. Additionally, I replaced a low resolution file of the jebena pot with one of an Eritrean woman using it in a traditional coffee ceremony. Again, please stop removing files without discussion and adding incompatible or otherwise inappropriate files to the page. Middayexpress (talk) 15:57, 28 October 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-10-28T15:57:00.000Z","author":"Middayexpress","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Middayexpress-2014-10-28T15:57:00.000Z-Tour,_kitcha_etc.","replies":["c-Vetrisimino0-2014-10-28T17:56:00.000Z-Middayexpress-2014-10-28T15:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
Besides convergent culinary tastes, Eritreans share an appreciation for similar music and lyrics, jewelry and fragrances, and tapestry and fabrics as other populations in the Horn region.[1]
I've been asked to provide a third opinion on recent disputes. Here goes:
add pictures of all nine ethnic groups in Eritrea or remove the picture of two ethnic group pictures in the demographics section
Faytinga is half Tigrinya and half Kunama, her father is Kunama and mother is Tigrinya. [22]
Don't remove content without prior discussion and agreement.
So, hopefully both sides will accept my opinions, and move on to edit on other topics within and without Eritrea. There are points where I have agreed with each of you and points where I have disagreed with each of you (two each), and I believe I've been able to be fair and impartial. Hope that helps.--Elvey(t•c) 22:20, 6 November 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-06T22:20:00.000Z","author":"Elvey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elvey-2014-11-06T22:20:00.000Z-Some_Third-party_opinions","replies":[]}}-->
PS As for the coffee... Both photos are technically about equally poor, but good enough for use in an article. File:Coffee_ceremony.jpg is superior, subject-wise. so it should stay in. --Elvey(t•c) 22:25, 6 November 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-06T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Elvey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elvey-2014-11-06T22:25:00.000Z-Some_Third-party_opinions","replies":["c-Vetrisimino0-2014-11-07T00:01:00.000Z-Elvey-2014-11-06T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
"For the "music" section, prominence in music, not ethnicity, should be the deciding factor. Faytinga has 3 albums on Amazon."
No matter how small her community, Faytinga is part of an ensemble that has repeatedly represented Eritrea on the international stage. If Eritrean officials let her represent the country at world exhibitions, I'd say you'll need more than ethnic statistics to support the claim that Faytinga doesn't represent Eritrean music. Huon (talk) 21:46, 13 November 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-13T21:46:00.000Z","author":"Huon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Huon-2014-11-13T21:46:00.000Z-Some_Third-party_opinions","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2014-11-13T22:03:00.000Z-Huon-2014-11-13T21:46:00.000Z"]}}-->
I'm entirely unpersuaded by the discussion of ethnicity and language, which is irrelevant to the issue at hand. People chosen for the music section should represent not the ethnic composition, but the musical scene. The quotes from Libération are thus more relevant, though Libération says Faytinga's lack of commercial success in Eritrea is due to poverty and piracy, not due to a language barrier. So if you think Meles is more representative of Eritrean music, I wouldn't object to using her image, but Faytinga doesn't seem to be so irrelevant to Eritrean music that we're better off without an image than with hers. Huon (talk) 22:57, 19 November 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-19T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Huon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Huon-2014-11-19T22:57:00.000Z-Some_Third-party_opinions","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2014-11-20T17:01:00.000Z-Huon-2014-11-19T22:57:00.000Z"]}}-->
I moved a couple images to the left; my edits were reverted with the tees edit summary MOS. But the MOS says "Multiple images in the same article can be staggered right-and-left." And we have featured articles with images staggered the same way.--Elvey(t•c) 18:19, 14 November 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-11-14T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Elvey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elvey-2014-11-14T18:19:00.000Z-MOS_and_staggered_images","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2014-11-14T19:31:00.000Z-Elvey-2014-11-14T18:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
There was noting like a "Hamasien Republic" in that part of the world. That area was called Bahir Medri or Bahre Negash and was being Administered from Ethioipia, especially from Tigray. Ras Alula was one the governers before that area was occupied by Italians and renamed later as Eritrea. It then has been colonized by Italians for 50 years then administered by the British for 10 years after the end of the WWII. Now it is an independent country. However we have to keep records straight and truthful. except for those sixty years, the land has been administratively ,socially and genetically linked to the northern part of Ethiopia. History can not be corrected for it already has happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldad8 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 9 May 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-05-09T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Eldad8","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eldad8-2015-05-09T18:18:00.000Z-Hamasien_Republic???","replies":["c-Middayexpress-2015-05-09T19:26:00.000Z-Eldad8-2015-05-09T18:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
Have added reference to the Guardian's description of Eritrea's human rights abuses, described by the UN as 'on a scope and scale seldom witnessed elsewhere'. [46] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.176.105.146 (talk) 17:14, 8 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-08T17:14:00.000Z","author":"194.176.105.146","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-194.176.105.146-2015-06-08T17:14:00.000Z-2015_UN_human_rights_report_on_extreme_human_rights_abuses","replies":["c-Cpsoper-2015-06-26T23:59:00.000Z-194.176.105.146-2015-06-08T17:14:00.000Z"]}}-->
There is inaccuracy regarding where the ancient Axumite empire was. In this Article, the author has mentioned it as existed in modern day Ethiopia and Eritrea The truth is that the empire was in Tigray, modern day Ethiopia. At its peak , its rule reached as far as Yemen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eldad8 (talk • contribs) 22:38, 13 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-13T22:38:00.000Z","author":"Eldad8","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eldad8-2015-06-13T22:38:00.000Z-Aksumite\/Axumite_Empire-_Its_base_was_the_modern_day_North_Ethiopia","replies":[]}}-->
The Finnish article says only Arabic and Tigrinya are official languages, as does the Italian. The German article says Tigrinisch, Arabisch; Englisch, Tigre, Afar, Saho, Kunama, Bedscha, Blin und Nara de jure gleichberechtigte Nationalsprachen The French article lists Arabic and Tigrinya, with the footnote le tigrinya et l'arabe sont les langues de travail du gouvernement. L'anglais est utilisé dans les relations internationales et l'éducation au-delà du primaire. Les habitants du pays parlent également afar, bilen, kunama, nara, rashaida, saho et tigré. L'italien et l'amharique sont parfois parlés pour des raisons historiques. Here, Italian and English are said to be official, but in the infobox it reads State of Eritrea, ሃገረ ኤርትራ Hagere Ertra, دولة إرتريا Dawlat Iritriyá, but not in Italian. K9re11 (talk) 01:39, 16 June 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-06-16T01:39:00.000Z","author":"K9re11","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-K9re11-2015-06-16T01:39:00.000Z-Official_languages","replies":[]}}-->
The first paragraph of the section: Eritrea#Human_rights reads:
"Eritrea is a single-party state in which national legislative elections have been repeatedly postponed. According to Human Rights Watch, the government's human rights record is considered among the worst in the world. Some Western countries, particularly the United States, have accused the Eritrean authorities of arbitrary arrest and detentions, and of detaining an unknown number of people without charge for their political activism. However, the Eritrean government has continuously dismissed the accusations as politically motivated. In June 2015, a 500-page United Nations Human Rights Council report accused Eritrea's government of extrajudicial executions, torture, indefinitely prolonged national service and forced labour, and indicated that sexual harassment, rape and sexual servitude by state officials are also widespread."
Eritrea is a single-party state in which national legislative elections have been repeatedly postponed. According to Human Rights Watch, the government's human rights record is considered among the worst in the world. Some Western countries, particularly the United States, have accused the Eritrean authorities of arbitrary arrest and detentions, and of detaining an unknown number of people without charge for their political activism. However, the Eritrean government has continuously dismissed the accusations as politically motivated. In June 2015, a 500-page United Nations Human Rights Council report accused Eritrea's government of extrajudicial executions, torture, indefinitely prolonged national service and forced labour, and indicated that sexual harassment, rape and sexual servitude by state officials are also widespread.
This and following content is extremely notable and should have good representation in the lead. GregKaye 05:54, 10 August 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-08-10T05:54:00.000Z","author":"GregKaye","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GregKaye-2015-08-10T05:54:00.000Z-Placing_a_human_rights_content_prominently_in_the_lead","replies":["c-Cpsoper-2015-08-11T23:03:00.000Z-GregKaye-2015-08-10T05:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Greg"}}-->
There seems to be many maps, showing same information. This is misplacing some images. Does anyone disagree to remove one or two images? to make images and text align better. Richard0048 (talk) 19:23, 8 October 2015 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-10-08T19:23:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2015-10-08T19:23:00.000Z-Many_maps","replies":[]}}-->
The wreath of two olive branches that surround the upright branch should have 30 leaves. The leaves correspond to the 30 years of war which led to Eritrean independence. The olive branch emblem in the official flag also looks distinctly different from that shown in Wikipedia. Britannica has got the flag right. http://www.britannica.com/topic/flag-of-Eritrea SamuelN77 (talk) 01:20, 23 February 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-02-23T01:20:00.000Z","author":"SamuelN77","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SamuelN77-2016-02-23T01:20:00.000Z-Incorrect_flag_emblem.","replies":[]}}-->
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There is a 950 year gap and how should it be filled?
The state formation under every country is listed orderly without gap. For instance if you see Kenya they start from 1963 and in Somalia page all the indigenous dynasties who ruled Somali people from 10th century upto it's independence from Italy were listed without gap. Somaliland starts from 1991 while Djibouti starts from 1977.
Inorder to not leave gap, Eritrea should either start from Italian Eritrea in 1890 or list all the indigenous dynasties & states (from Daamat 980 BC upto it’s independence from Ethiopia in 1991 AD) including the foreign states that governed Eritrean People (Italia & British between 1890 upto 1952) just like listed under in Somalia. As for Ethiopia the indigenous states following the fall of Axum i.e. Zagwe dynasty 900-1270, Solomonic dynasty 1270-1706, Zemene Mesafint 1706-1855 and modern Ethiopian empire 1855-1974 were combined under Ethiopian Empire and used to fill the gap between fall of Axum and 1974.
Accepting Axum and rejecting it’s successors as part of Eritrean history is a contradiction and against Wikipedia’s objective which is to inform readers with referenced information. Please provide your opinions and suggestions as to where to begin the history of Eritrea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EthiopianHabesha (talk • contribs) 21:03, 19 April 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-04-19T21:03:00.000Z","author":"EthiopianHabesha","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EthiopianHabesha-2016-04-19T21:03:00.000Z-Eritrean_history_between_the_fall_of_Axum_in_940_AD_and_Italian_Eritrea_in_1890?","replies":["c-Merhawie-2016-04-20T02:50:00.000Z-EthiopianHabesha-2016-04-19T21:03:00.000Z"]}}-->
Recently there has been a user deleting data and sources regarding religion in Eritrea. Specifically the pew forum source. The user seems to be editing different IP:s. I Will request a page protection for this page. Richard0048 (talk) 06:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-08T06:20:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2016-05-08T06:20:00.000Z-Page_protection","replies":[]}}-->
The layout was messed up contra WP:WPC. Prehistory (which is defined as the period before the advent of writing) chronologically goes before antiquity, yet it was placed under antiquity and obscured within a drop-down box. A passage on isotope analysis, which confirmed that certain ancient baboons from the Land of Punt were probably endemic to Eritrea, was also inexplicably deleted. The ancient Gash Group culture was already illustrated with a file on pre-Axumite monolithic columns in Qohaito, yet the paragraph was for some reason crammed with a second file that is little more than a map of the modern Agordat district. Paradoxically, an actual map of the D'mt kingdom was removed from the D'mt passage, as were files on the Kingdom of Aksum, the Aussa Sultanate and Habesh Eyalet under their respective areas. A map on precolonial kingdoms in Africa between 500 BCE to 1500 CE was also placed under the colonial Italian Eritrea, although the polity was established centuries later around 1890. The flag of Eritrea from 1952–1961, when the territory was still federated with Ethiopia, was also removed under the federation area.
Although the Dahlak Archipelago is part of Eritrea, a map showing its location was replaced with a generic map of the wider East Africa region. This is contrary to WP:WPC, which indicates that the geography section should show "details of the country's main geographic features and climate", not that of a broader region. A file on the African leopard that was taken in an unknown territory was also stuffed under an already packed wildlife area. Moreover, a file showing the structure of the National Assembly was removed from the relevant government and politics area. Conversely, the administrative divisions area was crammed with irrelevant files on a downtown street, village and beach, although it was already illustrated with a pertinent map showing the administrative divisions. A paragraph that begins "the regions of Eritrea are the primary geographical divisions through which Eritrea is administered" was also accidentally mirrored. Further, the cyclists officially represented Qhubeka, which is the first Professional Continental team from Africa, not a racial team as misleadingly implied ("race" is a subjective concept anyway). Two licensed demographic files were also replaced with an unlicensed one. Finally, a file on a traditional Eritrean coffee ceremony was substituted for a similar file of a traditional Ethiopian coffee ceremony - the original file page indicates that the photo was shot in Oromia [47]. The file sizes were also somewhat erratic. However per WP:THUMBSIZE, "except with very good reason, do not use px (e.g. thumb|300px), which forces a fixed image width". The plain thumb scaling is therefore the default. Soupforone (talk) 16:45, 26 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-26T16:45:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-06-26T16:45:00.000Z-Layout","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-06-27T07:43:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-06-26T16:45:00.000Z"]}}-->
Thank you for responding. To clarify, the page appeared at first glance to have been vandalized since it was badly formated, jammed with unlicensed files, and especially an unwarranted and misplaced drop-down box that obscured most of the prehistory text; so being a conscientious longtime user, I tried to tidy it up using files from an earlier page iteration. This is presumably why Materialscientist rolled to it too. With that said, Eritrea is immediately located in the Horn of Africa. This is the area that its native inhabitants have the most in common with in terms of spoken languages, culture and ancestry. The region is also actually recognized by the UN [48]. It is a distinct area from the Greater Horn of Africa, which the Intergovernmental Authority on Development (IGAD), an African Union trade organization for eastern Africa, indicates is comprised of IGAD member states plus a few others nearby [49]. Regarding the demographic files, licensed files are always preferable to unlicensed ones. The infobox also indicates that the Tigrinya constitute around half the population, so they are a more felicitous representation of the local populace. Also, please note that the coffee ceremony file was shot in Oromia rather than Eritrea. It's the other one that is local and also already includes the traditional jar. Moreover, although it is debated whether Eritrea was part of ancient Punt, it is similarly wondered if Adulis was originally a part of the Kingdom of Aksum or if it was instead the capital of a separate kingdom. Actual excavations, however, suggest that the territory was part of both kingdoms, albeit during different eras. Anyway, thanks for explaining the whole kingdom situation (but note that the precolonial African kingdoms map is homemade too). The D'mt kingdom is perhaps indeed better illustrated by something from the kingdom itself, such as a late period bronze oil lamp that was excavated at Matara. Soupforone (talk) 16:47, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T16:47:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-06-27T16:47:00.000Z-Layout","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-06-29T00:08:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-06-27T16:47:00.000Z"]}}-->
Please adjust your tone. If I had been less level-headed, I too easily could have yelled impropriety over the many unlicensed files that you uploaded, as well as that file of an Ethiopian (not Eritrean) woman. But see, that would only poison the discussion. You also don't seem to quite grasp the vandalism policy. As per WP:VAN, repeatedly uploading copyrighted material is a type of vandalism, and the appropriate way to respond to that is to revert to the last "clean" version of the page. That's precisely what I and Materialscientist, two conscientious longtime users, attempted to do. Yet you still tried to append those unlicensed files. Even now you're reluctant to admit that the coffee file was taken in Ethiopia rather than Eritrea. What gives? I have no particular objection to just using the jar file, but all I see here is me attempting to reach common ground and not vice versa. Also, you can't claim that the D'mt kingdom map is unreliable because it's homemade, and then insist that the African kingdoms map is somehow okay although it too is not only homemade, but clearly labeled as an "an artistic interpretation" by the designer. This is all beside the point anyway since these kingdoms predate Italian Eritrea by centuries, and thus do not belong in that area. Also, please note that while the population in the language file may comprise a small minority group, per the infobox, they are actually more numerous than the population you were championing in those unlicensed files. Anyway, with regard to the generic eastern Africa map, it is homemade too. It is also irrelevant since WP:WPC indicates that the geography area is intended for "details of the country's main geographic features and climate", not for the broader region's geography and climate. This means that the map on the Dahlak Archipelago is certainly more relevant than one on eastern Africa. The East African Rift map would perhaps work best, though, since it is government-issued and an important local geological feature [51]. As for the drop-down menu, there is no policy that indicates that such a template can be used to obscure text. Soupforone (talk) 04:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-30T04:00:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-06-30T04:00:00.000Z-Layout","replies":[]}}-->
I've had to fix the Ethiopian (not Eritrean) coffee file yet again, as well as the agreed on Tigrinya file. With that said, while pointing to actual policy, please address the rest of the issues above. Also note that per WP:WHENTABLE, "tables should not be misused to resolve visual layout problems... if the information you are editing is not tabular in nature, it probably does not belong in a table... prose is preferred in articles as prose allows the presentation of detail and clarification of context, in a way that a table may not". The prehistory text is prose and not tabular in nature. It therefore should not be obscured within a table menu. Soupforone (talk) 02:11, 1 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-01T02:11:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-01T02:11:00.000Z-Layout","replies":[]}}-->
found this in another article where it didn't belong. the climate section here looks good already, so I thought I'd post it to the talk page here just to preserve the info.
Eritrea has three climate zones, a coastal region, with a sandy plain and low scrub running inland for 10–20 mi (16–32 km) in the east with elevations of up to 1,650 ft (500 m), which is hot and humid for most of the year, with June, September and October the hottest months. At Massawa the average temperature is 88 °F (31 °C) and in summer can reach 120 °F (49 °C) in the shade. Most rain falls in the summer monsoon, with occasional showers in the winter. In the escarpments and valleys, the climate is temperate with only summer monsoon rains, except close to the coast, where there is some winter rain; May is the hottest month. Towards the high plateau, the elevation rises steeply to 6,000 ft (1,800 m), with some peaks 10,000 ft (3,000 m) high and the ground declines to the west. It is cooler, with the monsoon from June to September and light rain in April and May. The temperature is highest during the dry season from November to April and above 8,500 ft (2,600 m), sub-alpine temperatures are found.{{sfn|Prasad|1963|p=17}} The high ground continues into Northern Ethiopia, where the mountains and ravines make ideal defensive terrain.{{sfn|Raugh|1993|p=173}}
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Soupforone has asked me to look at the use of the drop down menu in this article. On looking into the history I note:
1) that this article is the subject of inappropriate and offensive edits, which can go unchallenged for long periods, even when experienced editors are active on the article;
2) that there has been a content dispute since June 24.
I will semi-protect against inappropriate IP edits.
I will also consider fully protecting the article unless User:Richard0048 and User:Soupforone agree to engage more fully in discussion as to the best way forward for this article. You both want the same thing - to improve the article; but reverting is not the best way to achieve that. Discussion and getting agreement is the best way forward - then you can be sure that the article is actually improving and becoming secure. In order for discussion to be successful you both need to agree that neither of you will edit the article until you both agree on an edit. If you cannot reach an agreement you can ask for a Wikipedia:Third opinion. My time on Wikipedia is very limited at the moment so I cannot fully assist on this matter, however I will help when I can, but be aware that my responses may be quite slow at times. SilkTork ✔Tea time 09:25, 5 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-05T09:25:00.000Z","author":"SilkTork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SilkTork-2016-07-05T09:25:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":["c-SilkTork-2016-07-05T09:53:00.000Z-SilkTork-2016-07-05T09:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
I note that Richard0048 has not edited Wikipedia since 1 July when he reverted the Eritrea article. I also note that he is an irregular editor who can go several weeks without editing; also he does not have email enabled. His account will have alerts that this discussion is taking place, but I will additionally leave a note on his talkpage. It is frustrating when an editor engages in a dispute, reverts another editor, and is then absent from Wikipedia for a long period; in such situations they cannot reasonably expect that their preferred position will obtain permanently - however, there is no harm in waiting a few more days to allow Richard0048 an opportunity to put forward their views. If there is no response from Richard0048 by 14 July, Soupforone may start implementing the suggested edits. SilkTork ✔Tea time 08:12, 9 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-09T08:12:00.000Z","author":"SilkTork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SilkTork-2016-07-09T08:12:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-09T14:16:00.000Z-SilkTork-2016-07-09T08:12:00.000Z","c-Soupforone-2016-07-15T02:16:00.000Z-SilkTork-2016-07-09T08:12:00.000Z"]}}-->
Actually, we did not agree on much of the formatting and other edits, nor did you make any sincere effort to reach common ground. This can easily be seen in the discussion above, where I pointed out specific problems with the text, which you simply ignored and never bothered replying to. And the few times that you did respond, your arguments weren't always coherent either, nor are they really now. Take your East Africa explanation above: you claim that "Eritreas is (primarily) East Africa, and more specfic horn of Africa (secondarily)", and that "this is based sources of UN and African Union". However, in reality, neither the UN nor the African Union geographically prioritize an East Africa location over the Horn of Africa. They simply indicate one or the other, but not in any sort of hierarchy. Moreover, the UN subregion for Eastern Africa isn't even the same as that regional map you were championing for the geography area, which only further underscores that map's pointlessness.
You also have not explained why: (1) the administrative regions map is positioned to the left of the bullets (contrary to MOS:SANDWICHING), the area is stuffed with irrelevant files, and the paragraph that begins "the regions of Eritrea are the primary geographical divisions through which Eritrea is administered" is doubled; (2) it is misleadingly implied that the cyclists officially represented some local "racial" team rather than Qhubeka, the first Professional Continental team from Africa; (3) a generic file of an African leopard (which does not appear to have been taken in Eritrea) is necessary when there are already three other wildlife files; (4) or rather what is this mysterious 14-member environmental constituency that Eritrea is apparently a part of; (5) the isotope analysis on the ancient baboons from Punt was obscured, although you indicated above that it was okay; (6) there is a map of precolonial kingdoms in Africa as a whole (dated to 500 BCE to 1500 CE) under Italian Eritrea, although the latter colonial territory was instead established centuries later (in 1890).
SilkTork instructed above that "in order for discussion to be successful you both need to agree that neither of you will edit the article until you both agree on an edit". This was sensible advice; but since you seemed reluctant to reply at all, he was obliged to put forth a July 14th deadline. The 14th has now passed, yet you still reverted (twice). This is unhelpful. Answer the questions above fairly and logically, and we can hopefully reach an understanding. Soupforone (talk) 16:43, 16 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-16T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-16T16:43:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":[]}}-->
Dear @SilkTork:it amazes me that you made it clear that you wanted to act impartial in the disupte between me and @Soupforone:and then
went on to accept all of the disputed contributes soupforone made by reverting it back the last version of soupforone.
Have you looked to my earlier arguments and comments regarding the edits made by soupforone? Have you taken in consideration soupforones behaviour? soupforones has been reverting content multiples times, many times without discussing them. Have you taken in consideration that the content that soupforone has contributed with in many cases is reproduced material? old content that existed on the Eritrea page more than a year ago.
We did not agree on everything, but we did agree on some areas. I agreed to remove the image of the woman pouring coffee after you suggested it might been taken in Ethiopia. I did agree to remove the drop down after both you and silktork suggested it should be removed. I agreed to the image of the dancing Eritrean Tigrinya women. Since it was of high resolution and it was an image of majority tigrinya populace as you mentioned. I objected to the second image with saho women since this image was disputed on the talk page a couple of years ago on this talk page I observed, for being of poor quality and of showing the smallest ethnic group in Eritrea and orinically you choose to post the exact same photo. Same goes for the woman pouring coffee. Both of the images have been disputed over here before. Images that you have been reposting three times now with no regard to why they were removed in the first place. This what happens when you copy old content and try to paste it to current structure without a dialogue.
I cant even belive that your are questioning if Eritrea lies in East Africa. Horn of Africa is a pensilula that is a part of East Africa whether you want it or not. There exists an hierarchy, since all of the countries that are part of horn of Africa are considered part of East Africa. East Africa can be devided in horn of Africa and the east african community. Both of them whom are part of East Africa. This has to do with location and colonial history of these two areas. For ex. Somalia and Eritrea was part of Italian East Africa, Tanzania and Burundi were part of german east africa...and so on.."Eastern Africa, part of sub-Saharan Africa comprising two traditionally recognized regions: East Africa, made up of Kenya, Tanzania, and Uganda; and the Horn of Africa, made up of Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea, and Ethiopia."[2].
The term "horn of Africa" is not an indigenous term; it springs from a glance at a map rather than any perception of inhabitants of that area of northern East Africa. The rerm has no long history attached to it whatsoever and it was not used until recently, unlike the term East Africa. [3] This is not rocket science. One does not need to look far to realise that Eritrea is part of East africa. There are five regions of Africa. African Union uses five regions, North, East, West, South, Central. Can you tell us which Eritera is part of? I myself suggest to mention both east africa and horn of africa as silktork suggested. I find this to be the best solution.
My responsen to your questions below: You also have not explained why: (1) the administrative regions map is positioned to the left of the bullets (contrary to MOS:SANDWICHING), the area is stuffed with irrelevant files, and the paragraph that begins "the regions of Eritrea are the primary geographical divisions through which Eritrea is administered" is doubled;
(2) it is misleadingly implied that the cyclists officially represented some local "racial" team rather than Qhubeka, the first Professional Continental team from Africa;
(3) a generic file of an African leopard (which does not appear to have been taken in Eritrea) is necessary when there are already three other wildlife files;
(4) or rather what is this mysterious 14-member environmental constituency that Eritrea is apparently a part of;
(5) the isotope analysis on the ancient baboons from Punt was obscured, although you indicated above that it was okay;
(6) there is a map of precolonial kingdoms in Africa as a whole (dated to 500 BCE to 1500 CE) under Italian Eritrea, although the latter colonial territory was instead established centuries later (in 1890).
My sugesstions. The image of the punt queen does not fit in this page since it can be debated if Eritrea was even a part of punt. Its even stranger to put an image of the kings wife as if she had anythng to do with Eritrea. The saho women and woman pouring coffee should be removed since they have been disputed on here before, and from what I can see they are not of decent quality. There are better ones. The image of the village houses ,the asmara street, the image of the pre-colonial map, the image of the leopard that soupforone removed should be put back to place. Finally, I did responded to your edits and I did revert since you decided to add ALL of your disputed content on this page without reaching consensus, content that at the moment are on the page. Richard0048 (talk) 07:52, 18 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-18T07:52:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2016-07-18T07:52:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":["c-SilkTork-2016-07-18T08:14:00.000Z-Richard0048-2016-07-18T07:52:00.000Z"]}}-->
Yes Richard, please address the content and desist from making personal remarks. It was already explained to you that per WP:VAN, repeatedly uploading copyrighted material is a type of vandalism, and the appropriate way to handle that is to roll to the last clean version of the page. This is what I did with those many unlicensed files that previously littered the page. You also can't claim that I did not engage in discussion when not only did I initiate it, many times I was basically talking to myself here since you seemed reluctant to reply. That is why I was obliged to contact SilkTork in the first place (i.e., to encourage a fruitful dialogue). With that said:
These are my suggestions. Soupforone (talk) 17:01, 18 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-18T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-18T17:01:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":[]}}-->
You are still editing without reaching consensus. Might be good if the same rules applied by you. Regarding the question if Eritrea is part of East Africa I do feel we need other opinions other than yours. Eritrea is part of and located in East Africa despite your objective opinion. Im still favourimg siilktorks suggestion to include both. Northeast africa wont do either since it is the least common term to describe Eritreas location.
When it comes to the saho image, I have informed you that the image has been disputed on here before. Then why do you feel that you need to repost it? Im suggesting to replace it with an image of higher resolution, of an image showing an individual of the kunama ethnic group. They are about the same population size of saho based on various sources and they are the first indegious people of Eritrea.
Regarding the image of the leopard, I know it was taken in Eritrea based on information given to me. I will send a PM to the author asking for a locaation on Flickr.
Regarding the images of the village houses and asmara street image. They can be added to another section? Can you explain why they do not fit in this page?
As I explained, to mention that Eritrea was a part of punt can be debated. Since there exists many uncertainties it would be prefarable to stick to the text and not post an image of the punt queen as to show she was an important part of Eritrean history. The level of her influence is not exactly certain, so therefore it would be wize to not include the image of her.
As you mention the medri bahri section would be a prefarable section to include the pre-colonial kimgdom image Richard0048 (talk) 17:20, 19 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-19T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2016-07-19T17:20:00.000Z-Content_dispute","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-20T02:45:00.000Z-Richard0048-2016-07-19T17:20:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Richard0048: I have viewed Soupforone's editing, and I have found it positive and productive. It would not be appropriate in the circumstances to continue to restrict him from editing the article while he awaits your opinion given that you are absent from Wikipedia for long periods, and when you do return you revert rather than engage in discussion. As the admin who is overseeing this dispute I have given him permission to edit the article. As your own editing and attitude has been problematic and given me cause for concern, I would prefer you confine yourself to making editorial comments on the talkpage, and working it through with Soupforone. I would ask you both, quite firmly this time, to cease making personal comments. To underline that, I will go through the last two postings by both of you, and strike through unnecessary personal comments so what is left is editorial comment. In my experience, if editors concentrate only on content then matters get resolved quickly and with little resentment and emotion. At the end of the day we all want the same thing - to improve the Eritrea article. SilkTork ✔Tea time 19:32, 19 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-19T19:32:00.000Z","author":"SilkTork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SilkTork-2016-07-19T19:32:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-SilkTork-2016-07-19T19:49:00.000Z-SilkTork-2016-07-19T19:32:00.000Z"]}}-->
I am disappointed that the Horn of Africa / East Africa / Northeast Africa wording has not yet been settled. Sources mention all three, so it would be inappropriate for Wikipedia to be taking a stance on this, yet currently we have "Eritrea ... is a country in the Horn of Africa." with no mention of East Africa or Northeast Africa, though one of the sources is "Frontiers of violence in north-east Africa" by Richard Reid, and "It is estimated that there are around 100 African bush elephant left in Eritrea, the most northerly of East Africa's elephants." and "The country is virtually bisected by a branch of the East African Rift." Please folks resolve this as soon as possible. The discussion should be about the wording that includes mention of all three terminologies, with reference to sources can throw some light on why we have three different terms to describe one country's location. Starting points for discussion: A) "Eritrea ... is a country in Northeast Africa which is variously described as being in East Africa or the Horn of Africa depending on sources." B) "Eritrea ... is a country which is variously described as being in East Africa, the Horn of Africa or Northeast Africa depending on sources." C) "Eritrea ... is a country in the Northeast of Africa which is variously described as being in East Africa, the Horn of Africa or Northeast Africa depending on sources." SilkTork ✔Tea time 13:37, 20 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-20T13:37:00.000Z","author":"SilkTork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SilkTork-2016-07-20T13:37:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-20T15:55:00.000Z-SilkTork-2016-07-20T13:37:00.000Z"]}}-->
to as North East Africa. [5][6][7] [8][9] See my sources belowRichard0048 (talk) 21:09, 20 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-20T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2016-07-20T21:09:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-21T02:27:00.000Z-Richard0048-2016-07-20T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->
Okay SilkTork and AcidSnow, I suggest the following wording: "Eritrea ... is a country in the Horn of Africa,[10] which is located in Northeast Africa[11] and is part of the Eastern Africa subregion."[12] Soupforone (talk) 02:27, 21 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-21T02:27:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-21T02:27:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-07-21T13:44:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-07-21T02:27:00.000Z"]}}-->
Having read through this, there seems to be the idea that there is a conflict between the different descriptions. However, Horn of Africa seems to be universally a subset of the other two. What would be wrong with just saying "Eritrea is a country in the Horn of Africa", and leave the exact description of the placement of the Horn of Africa out? CMD (talk) 16:32, 21 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-21T16:32:00.000Z","author":"Chipmunkdavis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chipmunkdavis-2016-07-21T16:32:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-07-21T16:46:00.000Z-Chipmunkdavis-2016-07-21T16:32:00.000Z","c-Soupforone-2016-07-21T17:30:00.000Z-Chipmunkdavis-2016-07-21T16:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"CMD"}}-->
Comment Ethiopia, Somalia, Djbouti all say Horn of Africa, why is there a special need to place Eritrea in East Africa? When Horn of Africa is more specific and helpful in figuring out the location of Eritrea. I disagree with generalizing Eritrea's location as it will be unhelpful in determining location. Also Horn of Africa, East African Community, Northeast Africa all feed into the larger East Africa article which makes sense. The grouping of the countries is based on their proximity to each other. Eritrea is nowhere near the East African Community, Ethiopia and Somalia are closer. Eritrea is within the Northeast Africa and Horn of Africa. I think it should remain in the Horn of Africa to keep it consistent with the other countries. Otherwise, this is an unnecessary deviation.Otakrem (talk) 02:21, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T02:21:00.000Z","author":"Otakrem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Otakrem-2016-07-22T02:21:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-22T04:19:00.000Z-Otakrem-2016-07-22T02:21:00.000Z"]}}-->
As Otakrem and CMD pointed out, the problem with that suggested wording is that it is redundant since it is already geographically implicit that the Horn is located in Northeast Africa and Eastern Africa. Note that the country policy also stipulates that the lede should indicate the "location in the world" in the singular, not locations in the plural. With that said, how do you feel about Horn in the lede and one of SilkTork's three-region compromise phrasings in the geography area? Soupforone (talk) 16:05, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-22T16:05:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-SilkTork-2016-07-22T16:54:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-07-22T16:05:00.000Z"]}}-->
Richard, SilkTork asked you above to please confine yourself to making editorial comments on the talkpage, and working it through with me. That Kunama file was therefore inappropriate (it was also apparently not properly licensed). Anyway, Otakrem, AcidSnow, CMD and myself feel that linking to Eastern Africa after the Horn, at least in the lede, is unnecessary since the former is geographically implicit in the latter and since few other country ledes appear to have two regional locations. However, in the geography area, this three-region phrasing can perhaps work: "Eritrea is a country in the Horn of Africa. It is part of the Eastern Africa UN subregion."? It links to the precise UN subregion rather than to ambiguous geographical entities. Soupforone (talk) 16:44, 25 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-25T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-25T16:44:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":[]}}-->
That suggestion does not describe Eritreas location correctly. And many country pages does have two regional locations, which one who is most appropriate must be evaluated since Eritrea is per definition by UN, African Union and African development bank part of East Africa/Eastern Africa this is being overlooked. It is not only purely geograpically but also in other meanings. This will be forwarded to other users and admins for suggestions in resolving this issue as I mentioned before. Ive tried resolving it with you and I provided suggestions with the help of admin. And for the image another will be suggested. Richard0048 (talk) 10:18, 26 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-26T10:18:00.000Z","author":"Richard0048","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richard0048-2016-07-26T10:18:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Soupforone-2016-07-26T18:28:00.000Z-Richard0048-2016-07-26T10:18:00.000Z"]}}-->
Richard, kindly respect SilkTork's instruction to please confine yourself to making editorial comments on the talkpage, and working it through with me. This is the second time I am asking this. Also note that that demographic file's percentages are inconsistent with the CIA estimates in the infobox. Anyway, as CMD, Otakrem and AcidSnow, explained Eastern Africa (like Northeast Africa) is already geographically implicit in the toponym Horn of Africa, so that phrasing doesn't work. Soupforone (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-28T16:08:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-07-28T16:08:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-07-28T17:47:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-07-28T16:08:00.000Z"]}}-->
Richard, that Punt was located in the Eritrea vicinity is no longer merely an ordinary theory. It has now been all but proven with the isotopic analysis on the old baboons. This is because these particular specimens were directly imported from Punt by the ancient Egyptians during the New Kingdom [73]. Also, per WP:HIIQ, the Punt files are actually fine since their composition (they're already cropped), color (no balance problem there obviously), brightness (not too dull or dark either), graininess (no excessive image noise), size (clear at 100% pixelation), and format (they're JPEG) are of adequate quality. Soupforone (talk) 15:30, 2 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-02T15:30:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-02T15:30:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-08-02T16:15:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-08-02T15:30:00.000Z"]}}-->
Well Richard, seeing as how you uploaded several unlicensed files here, I think I'll pass on that (rather ironic) advice and instead follow actual wiki policy. Soupforone (talk) 02:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T02:53:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-03T02:53:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-08-04T14:10:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-08-03T02:53:00.000Z"]}}-->
Well, let's see, you wrote that the Saho file was inappropriate because it was the smallest ethnic group (the infobox actually indicates that it's the third largest) and because the file was allegedly unlicensed (the license was just cleared). Those were your indicated reasons, and objectively, neither is legitimate. Anyway, the isotope analysis has established that the New Kingdom baboon specimens, which the ancient Egyptians imported directly from Punt, were endemic to the Eritrea vicinity. It's thus not merely a plausible theory anymore, but something closer to reality. Since you have a problem with the Punt queen file, though, I therefore suggest instead the Punt carriers file. Soupforone (talk) 02:15, 6 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-06T02:15:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-06T02:15:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-08-06T08:04:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-08-06T02:15:00.000Z"]}}-->
The Saho file's license was actually just cleared, so it's fine as it is [78]. A Kunama/Nara file is alright too for the Nilo-Saharan groups, though in truth it would necessarily be very disproportionate to their small size. Soupforone (talk) 16:31, 8 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-08T16:31:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-08T16:31:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-08-08T17:57:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-08-08T16:31:00.000Z"]}}-->
Considering that the Saho file actually passed the deletion discussion on Commons and its license was also just cleared [79], it necessarily meets the website's usability criteria (which includes quality per COM:DG). Therefore, as per MOS:IMAGES, the only plausible objection to the file one could have is to assert that it is irrelevant/inappropriate. However, this too would not be legitimate since the Eritrean Ministry of Information indicates that the population is an indigenous Afro-Asiatic-speaking community (which it indeed objectively is). With that established, here is a possible Kunama/Nara file for the Nilotic minority [80]. Soupforone (talk) 16:24, 9 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-09T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-09T16:24:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":["c-Richard0048-2016-08-14T11:33:00.000Z-Soupforone-2016-08-09T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->
Richard, the very purpose of the Kunama file was to represent the Nilotic ethnic minority, the latter of whom constitute under 5% of the population. Therefore, please do not alter the ethnolinguistic identifications and link-throughs on the files. The layout is per the population size estimates in the infobox, with the Tigrinya at the top (as it is the largest of the three), the Saho underneath (as it is the second largest of the three), and the Kunama below that (as it is the smallest of the three). It is also per the Eritrean Ministry of Information, which indicates that there are three main population divisions in the country: two Afro-Asiatic-speaking groups (Semitic & Cushitic), and a Nilo-Saharan-speaking group [81]. Soupforone (talk) 16:29, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Soupforone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Soupforone-2016-08-17T16:29:00.000Z-Arbitrary_break","replies":[]}}-->
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