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This makes no sense

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Semi-Tough was reproduced up to "you are assholes everyone" which was Erhard's familiar phrase. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indigo milk cap (talk • contribs) 02:44, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-09-15T02:44:00.000Z","author":"Indigo milk cap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Indigo_milk_cap-2018-09-15T02:44:00.000Z-This_makes_no_sense","replies":["c-Maikel-20230529080700-Indigo_milk_cap-2018-09-15T02:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Another phrase that Erhard seems to have used frequently was "you can't tell your assholes from a hole in the ground". Maikel (talk) 08:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230529080700","author":"Maikel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Maikel-20230529080700-Indigo_milk_cap-2018-09-15T02:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Needs NPOV

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This entire page is written like an advertisement for ert.

Seconded. Maikel (talk) 08:05, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230529080500","author":"Maikel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maikel-20230529080500-Needs_NPOV","replies":["c-T._Anthony-2019-09-01T12:57:00.000Z-Maikel-20230529080500","c-2601:246:5D02:B810:4A4:A6C2:CAEF:49AF-20240307214700-Maikel-20230529080500","c-SLAVETOLOVE-20240317030800-Maikel-20230529080500"]}}-->

The article on Erhard himself looks to include more criticism. I migrated some from it and added a bit I found. It might need some formatting as I'd mostly left Wikipedia so don't remember the correct formats.T. Anthony (talk) 12:57, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-09-01T12:57:00.000Z","author":"T. Anthony","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-T._Anthony-2019-09-01T12:57:00.000Z-Maikel-20230529080500","replies":[]}}-->

ABSOLUTELY AGREE. This is in such bad shape on such a controversial topic blanking may be appropriate until it engages in ANY way, shape or form with the massive criticism of EST out there for the last 50 years/ The lack of a "controversies" section is absolutely telling and deafening 2601:246:5D02:B810:4A4:A6C2:CAEF:49AF (talk) 21:47, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240307214700","author":"2601:246:5D02:B810:4A4:A6C2:CAEF:49AF","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-2601:246:5D02:B810:4A4:A6C2:CAEF:49AF-20240307214700-Maikel-20230529080500","replies":[]}}-->

Adding my support to this thread - I just read about this group today in "The Sullivanians: Sex, Psychotherapy, and the Wild Life of an American Commune" and this article really gives me the creeps. I'm going to edit this to try and at least remove some of the self-indulgent editorial-speak if nobody else has taken a crack at it later this week. SLAVETOLOVE (talk) 03:08, 17 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240317030800","author":"SLAVETOLOVE","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SLAVETOLOVE-20240317030800-Maikel-20230529080500","replies":[]}}-->

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Article incomplete

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Can't mention EST without the psychological effects of needing to pee come to mind. Article seems incomplete without this detail. 2001:1715:4E33:20E1:9C25:5A02:BE19:5AF0 (talk) 00:10, 11 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-11T00:10:00.000Z","author":"2001:1715:4E33:20E1:9C25:5A02:BE19:5AF0","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2001:1715:4E33:20E1:9C25:5A02:BE19:5AF0-2020-06-11T00:10:00.000Z-Article_incomplete","replies":[]}}-->

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Stumbled across an article about EST while looking for something else

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Just thought I would let you all know about it. You can access it by getting a Wikipedia Library Card and applying for newspapers.com (a fairly trivial task). 23 Dec 1975 edition of the Courier-Post (Camden, New Jersey) page 17. Article by Jurate Kazickas about going to EST sessions. Seems to be an Associated Press article, so it may be available in other places. Title of the article is "What is, is... what ain't, ain't". If you need me to summarize the article I'd be happy to do so. MrAureliusR_Talk! 02:48, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-10-18T02:48:00.000Z","author":"MrAureliusR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrAureliusR-2020-10-18T02:48:00.000Z-Stumbled_across_an_article_about_EST_while_looking_for_something_else","replies":[]}}-->

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Mike Oldfield

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In June 1978, during the recording of Incantations, Oldfield and his siblings completed a three-day Exegesis seminar, a controversial self-assertiveness programme based on Werner Erhard's EST training programme. The experience had a significant effect on Oldfield's personality, who recalled that he underwent a "rebirth experience" by reliving past fears. "It was like opening some huge cathedral doors and facing the monster, and I saw that the monster was myself as a newborn infant, because I'd started life in a panic." Following the Exegesis seminar, the formerly reclusive Oldfield granted press interviews, posed nude for a promotional photo shoot for Incantations, and went drinking with news reporters. He had also conquered his fear of flying, gained a pilot's licence, and bought his own plane. Über-Blick (talk) 03:27, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230730032700","author":"\u00dcber-Blick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u00dcber-Blick-20230730032700-Mike_Oldfield","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20231220130000-\u00dcber-Blick-20230730032700"]}}-->

Deleted Thanks for letting us know. Polygnotus (talk) 13:00, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231220130000","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20231220130000-\u00dcber-Blick-20230730032700","replies":[]}}-->