Talk:Edward Colston/References

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  • Garrard, T. (1852). Edward Colston, the philanthropist, his life and times: Including a Memoir of his father; the result of a laborious investigation into the archives of the city. OCLC 793570135.
  • Wilkins, H. J. (1925). A chronological account of his life and work, together with an account of the Colston societies and memorials in Bristol. OCLC 629979568. supplement OCLC 17887906
  • McGrath, P. (1975). The Merchant Venturers of Bristol. Bristol: Society of Merchant Venturers. OCLC 809578509.
  • Morgan, Kenneth (1999). "Edward Colston and Bristol" (PDF). Local History Pamphlets. No. 96. Bristol Branch of the Historical Association. ISSN 1362-7759.
  • Ball, Roger. "Myths within myths…Edward Colston and that statue". Bristol Radical History Group.
  • Dresser, Madge (2009). "Remembering Slavery and Abolition in Bristol". Slavery & Abolition. 30 (2): 223–246. doi:10.1080/01440390902818955.
  • Dresser, Madge (2000). "Squares of distinction, webs of interest: Gentility, urban development and the slave trade in Bristol c.1673–1820". Slavery & Abolition. 21 (3): 21–47. doi:10.1080/01440390008575319.

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Discussion

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Not sure age is relevant for biographical information, or for historical opinion.Slatersteven (talk) 13:35, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T13:35:00.000Z","author":"Slatersteven","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T13:35:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":["c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:00:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T13:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Going by Morgan's Bibliographic Note to begin with This is disappointing; it is written in a flowery style and fails to cite evidence for many of its assertions. feel free to change the notes. fiveby(zero) 14:00, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:00:00.000Z","author":"Fiveby","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:00:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T13:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:00:00.000Z"]}}-->
I thought this part was about disusing them?Slatersteven (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z","author":"Slatersteven","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Govvy-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z"]}}-->
heh, That's the first book on this list we got, Morgan as criticised Thomas Garrads book. Govvy (talk) 14:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Govvy","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Govvy-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As to local history societies and their books, if one local history society is not reliable none are.Slatersteven (talk) 14:11, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z","author":"Slatersteven","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":["c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Don't see why this wouldn't be a useful source, the author looks qualified with related works. Here's some background for editors and peer review. fiveby(zero) 14:23, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Fiveby","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:25:00.000Z-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z"]}}-->
Then he might pass as expert opinion.Slatersteven (talk) 14:25, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Slatersteven","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:25:00.000Z-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:44:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
He's a qualified academic publishing with peer review. Cited by Dresser, but i don't know in what context. Don't see any reason not consider reliable. I think if there were a conflict we should prefer journal publication, but otherwise completely usable. fiveby(zero) 14:44, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T14:44:00.000Z","author":"Fiveby","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T14:44:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2020-06-13T14:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think per WP:NEWSORG Scholarly sources and high-quality non-scholarly sources are generally better than news reports for academic topics we should be careful to use certain sources only in the "Modern reappraisal" or "City-centre memorial statue" sections. fiveby(zero) 17:18, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-13T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Fiveby","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fiveby-2020-06-13T17:18:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":[]}}-->

I think the top should be the list of refs, without comments or 'notes', and down here should be the discusions on each of them - a section for each. -- DeFacto (talk). 17:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-15T17:04:00.000Z","author":"DeFacto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DeFacto-2020-06-15T17:04:00.000Z-Discussion","replies":[]}}-->

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