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1970 invention?

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The last para needs a source. Paragraphs above it speak of cars made prior to 1970 that have bucket seats. Either it is wrong, or there is more to the story than is said. Unfortunately [1] confirms the issueance of a design patent around 1970 but does not have the text available. More later if I find more. ++Lar: t/c 12:17, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-15T12:17:00.000Z","author":"Lar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lar-2006-06-15T12:17:00.000Z-1970_invention?","replies":[]}}-->

Steve McQueen certainly did not "invent" bucket seats in 1970. That is a self evident fact. The thousands of cars made prior to 1970 that came equipped with them attests to that. I think the patent refers to a particular design of bucket seat for, presumably, racing use. I'm removing the reference. JE1977 20:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-22T20:22:00.000Z","author":"JE1977","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JE1977-2006-06-22T20:22:00.000Z-1970_invention?","replies":[]}}-->

It might warrant a mention in the trivia section --66.65.22.23 03:17, 10 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-04-10T03:17:00.000Z","author":"66.65.22.23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-66.65.22.23-2007-04-10T03:17:00.000Z-1970_invention?","replies":["c-95.149.241.62-2016-06-24T19:48:00.000Z-66.65.22.23-2007-04-10T03:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

The bucket seat was devised before WW II for fighter aircraft such as the Hurricane and Spitfire as in the RAF the pilot wore a seat-type parachute that was accommodated in the seat, and that was why the seat had a 'bucket' shape - to accommodate the parachute pack. The parachute acted as the seat cushion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.241.62 (talk) 19:48, 24 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-24T19:48:00.000Z","author":"95.149.241.62","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-95.149.241.62-2016-06-24T19:48:00.000Z-66.65.22.23-2007-04-10T03:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Miscellaneous

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In conjunction with a rewrite, removed this paragraph which has only tangential relation to the subject of the page:

The center console, often found between the front bucket seats in most automobiles, usually includes a storage compartment and a floor shifter for automatic or manual transmissions. It may also include an ashtray, cupholders, and possibly some other instruments and functions, such as a hand-operated parking brake lever. The latter is commonly found on sports cars and small economy cars which are most often equipped with manual transmissions, for which the hand-operated parking brake is a lot more practical than the foot-operated parking brake, typically found on domestic mid-sized and larger cars. Bucket seats, therefore, offer a functionality that bench seats do not.

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Wrong deffinition.

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Bucket seats and individual seats aren't the same thing, my car has 2 seperate front seats but they are not bucket seats. I can't think were to source references so I won't change it now but in the UK at least, a bucket seat is one thats sculpted to hold you in place and thus has the sides rise up to hold you in.(94.8.179.78 (talk) 17:01, 19 March 2010 (UTC))[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-03-19T17:01:00.000Z","author":"94.8.179.78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.8.179.78-2010-03-19T17:01:00.000Z-Wrong_deffinition.","replies":[]}}-->

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etymology

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I could only find one "dictionary" on the web (allwords.com) that says this comes from the French word for cockpit. On the other hand the OED, American Heritage, MW, etc, all say it just comes from the English word bucket. And in fact the primary meaning of baquet is just tub--the sense cockpit of a racing car is secondary and clearly simply derived from the first meaning. Poking around on some dictionnaires en ligne, the earliest attestation in French I can find for baquet meaning the seat or cockpit of a racing car is 1927:

baquet n.m. AUTOM. - TLF, cit. Cendrars, 1929 ; PR[77], mil. 20e. 1927 - «Les portes sont très larges, surtout dans les modèles à deux portes où elles atteignent jusqu'à 1m,10. Dans ce dernier cas, les sièges avant sont des baquets ou des fauteuils rabattables pour permettre l'accès aux places arrière.» Lar. mensuel, juill., VII, 455b - M.C.E. 1928 - «Siège individuel comportant un dossier et ressemblant à un fauteuil, employé sur des châssis automobiles d'essai et sur certaines carrosseries de sport ou de course.» Lar. 20e - M.C.E. [2]

The OED, however, has the term being used in English from 1908:

1908 Westm. Gaz. 29 Oct. 4/1 One is fitted with a luxurious body and the other left bare with two *bucket-seats.[3]

Given this, I'm removing the uncited claim that the term comes from the French. If anything, the dates suggest it might have gone the other way, or perhaps they simply arose independently, given that bucket and baquet basically mean the same thing.--76.28.236.209 (talk) 21:33, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-07T21:33:00.000Z","author":"76.28.236.209","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.28.236.209-2010-05-07T21:33:00.000Z-etymology","replies":[]}}-->

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On commercial aircraft?

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"Commercial aircraft now have bucket seats for all passengers." Really? For all the times that I have flown I never sat in a bucket seat, not even recently. Peter Horn User talk 01:51, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-10-02T01:51:00.000Z","author":"Peter Horn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter_Horn-2016-10-02T01:51:00.000Z-On_commercial_aircraft?","replies":[]}}-->

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I removed and updated some broken links. Removed statement indicating that OED stated bucket seat name came from "resembling a bucket." Provided link was broken and no such statement could be found at OED. Rephrased sentences to remove redundancy and streamline. Replaced citation concerning Porsche Panamera. Removed claim about Colin Folwell being the first to manufacture racing seats - provided source did not support the statement and was a primary source, being his (prior) company. No supporting source could be found for the statement, so it was removed. Curdigirl (talk) 03:57, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-02-27T03:57:00.000Z","author":"Curdigirl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Curdigirl-2017-02-27T03:57:00.000Z-My_copy_editing_Feb_2017","replies":[]}}-->

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Just read the Wikipedia page for Kübelwagen, originally the Kübelsitzwagen (lit. "bucket-seat-car"). The English word seems, then, to be a calque on the German Kübelsitz, and must (in German) date back at least to 1938 and likely earlier. Ferdinand Porsche designed the prototype, which apparently had the name attached at that stage. JESL2 (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-23T06:37:00.000Z","author":"JESL2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JESL2-2021-03-23T06:37:00.000Z-Origins","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry, just read the 1908 OED citation (it's hard to read clearly on a phone). Okay, the article needs changing from its WWII and post-WWII claims of origin! JESL2 (talk) 08:40, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-23T08:40:00.000Z","author":"JESL2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JESL2-2021-03-23T08:40:00.000Z-Origins","replies":[]}}-->