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• This article was linked to by Wired magazine today, June 2, 2005. —RaD Man (talk) 14:37, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Anybody else interested in cleaning up the article to bring it to the level of Good Article? I mean it was nominated as featured article in 2004, although it did lack the necessary quality back then as it still does today. Good Article however, is a goal that seems to be reasonable. The article came a long way over the past months. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 06:58, 21 May 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-21T06:58:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-05-21T06:58:00.000Z-ASCII_art_status_of_Good_Article","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

Anyone else feel that the section "Text art in the ancient world" is a bit too excessive? Egyptian pictograms are different than ascii art, which is a image composed of many symbols, whereas pictograms are simply one graphic for one idea. I think the section should be removed. Leif.t 21:13, 25 May 2007 (UTC) leif.t__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-25T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Leif.t","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leif.t-2007-05-25T21:13:00.000Z-Comparison_to_Egyptian_pictograms_is_not_accurate","replies":["c-Xihr-2007-05-26T20:04:00.000Z-Leif.t-2007-05-25T21:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't think this is what was meant by that statement; instead, it meant that ancient Egyptians made something that resembled what we would call ASCII art (though with Egyptian hieroglyphics, obviously, not ASCII) themselves, not that the hieroglyphics themselves are similar to ASCII art (which they are clearly not). However, the claim remained unsourced and was a throwaway line, ancillary to the main document, so I removed it. Xihr 20:04, 26 May 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-26T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Xihr","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xihr-2007-05-26T20:04:00.000Z-Leif.t-2007-05-25T21:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2007-05-27T17:15:00.000Z-Xihr-2007-05-26T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I re-added the section with reference. Since the reference is an over 1 hour long video which some might not watch to the end, did I reference to an older post of mine from February where I elaborate what the content of the video is and embedded the video itself into the post. Check it out and let me know, if you still think that the claims made are not warranted. Thanks. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 17:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-05-27T17:15:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-05-27T17:15:00.000Z-Xihr-2007-05-26T20:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leif.t-2007-06-01T17:55:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2007-05-27T17:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I'm not sure that your reference is correct. You should credit the creator of the video in the references section, not the person who is hosting it. I will remove the reference unless it is correctly credited.--Leif.t 17:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-06-01T17:55:00.000Z","author":"Leif.t","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Leif.t-2007-06-01T17:55:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2007-05-27T17:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2007-06-10T12:46:00.000Z-Leif.t-2007-06-01T17:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the info. I updated the reference to the creator of the video and the date of the recording (rather than date of publishing on the Internet). I also refered to the creators pseudonym and his article at Wikipedia. Let me know if that works. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 12:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-06-10T12:46:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-06-10T12:46:00.000Z-Leif.t-2007-06-01T17:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ --froth^t 06:54, 15 June 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-06-15T06:54:00.000Z","author":"Froth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Froth-2007-06-15T06:54:00.000Z-Add_this?","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2007-06-15T12:20:00.000Z-Froth-2007-06-15T06:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u206afroth"}}-->

It is already a reference for ASCIImation in the article. See reference 16. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 12:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-06-15T12:20:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-06-15T12:20:00.000Z-Froth-2007-06-15T06:54:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I've proposed at CFD that Category:Articles with ASCII art be renamed to Category:Wikipedia articles with ASCII art. Please comment. My main motivation for proposing this is that I've come to feel that the category's current double use makes it suboptimal for either purpose (maintenance or navigation). The renaming itself would be somewhat incidental to the main goal of making this category serve one purpose only. Other suggestions for solving the problem would be welcome, too. (If there was an ASCII art Wikiproject I'd post this there, but since there doesn't seem to be one, I figure this talk page is as good a place as any for finding potentially interested people.) —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 13:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z","author":"Ilmari Karonen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ilmari_Karonen-2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z-Proposed_rename:_Category:Articles_with_ASCII_art_->_Category:Wikipedia_articles","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2007-08-29T08:28:00.000Z-Ilmari_Karonen-2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z","c-Xihr-2007-08-29T08:34:00.000Z-Ilmari_Karonen-2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

As long as we are consistent with the naming of things, I agree. The proposed name is less ambiguous.--roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 08:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-29T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-08-29T08:28:00.000Z-Ilmari_Karonen-2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I agree. As long as consistency is enforced, it's fine with me. Xihr 08:34, 29 August 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-08-29T08:34:00.000Z","author":"Xihr","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xihr-2007-08-29T08:34:00.000Z-Ilmari_Karonen-2007-07-21T13:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• The Ascii Cartel - A suitable candidate for external reference?

• nice archive, but why the heck are you not putting it on its own domain? I got the ASCIIcartel.com and ASCIIcartel.org domain names secured. If you are involved with the archive, contact me (see details at my user page) that we can work something out regarding hosting etc. I have an old school text art archive too (not amiga) and space on my server --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 19:08, 20 November 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-11-20T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2007-11-20T19:08:00.000Z-A_big_archive_of_Amiga_ascii","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

AsciiMator - just like the article's description of animated asciimations! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.209.164.54 (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-10-12T02:02:00.000Z","author":"121.209.164.54","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-121.209.164.54-2007-10-12T02:02:00.000Z-Asciimations!","replies":[]}}-->

somebody add: http://www.mudmagic.com/figlet-server/ a banner ascii generator. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.82.139.57 (talk) 19:00, 24 November 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-11-24T19:00:00.000Z","author":"190.82.139.57","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-190.82.139.57-2007-11-24T19:00:00.000Z-Asciimations!","replies":[]}}-->

Image:Mona standard.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.

If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images lacking such an explanation can be deleted one week after being tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. — Κaiba 18:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2007-12-30T18:14:00.000Z","author":"Kaiba","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kaiba-2007-12-30T18:14:00.000Z-Fair_use_rationale_for_Image:Mona_standard.png","replies":[],"displayName":"\u039aaiba"}}-->

Both "History of ASCII art" and "Uses of ASCII art" mention warez groups, I think it's redundant but have a hard time deciding which section it should be in. At least the paragraph in the history section should be moved up, now it seems like warez groups' ASCII art was a recent phenomenon.Pelzi (talk) 12:39, 17 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-17T12:39:00.000Z","author":"Pelzi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pelzi-2008-02-17T12:39:00.000Z-Repetition_of_warez_groups'_use_of_ASCII_art","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-18T04:52:00.000Z-Pelzi-2008-02-17T12:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do you mean specific warez groups (I removed that) or just the mentioning of the word "Warez Group" itself. If it is the first option, then it was already taken care of hehe. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 04:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-18T04:52:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-18T04:52:00.000Z-Pelzi-2008-02-17T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I removed the reference (citation needed) template from the sentence: "ASCII art had been originally developed around 1966, by computer-art pioneer Kenneth Knowlton, who was working for Bell Labs at the time."

The template was added with the following comment: "the cgihist reference implies Knowlton was at Bell Labs during this period, but does not state Knowlton was first"

The reference shows not only that the two were working at Bell Labs, but also a reference of their work. The ASCII Standard was published in 1963 and revised in 1967. If you can find examples of ASCII art that were clearly created before 1966, but after 1963, you would have found a lost treasure and I would be happy to correct the article. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 04:51, 18 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-18T04:51:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-18T04:51:00.000Z-ASCII_Art_History","replies":["c-Tedickey-2008-02-18T11:27:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-18T04:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

There was (if you take the time to look) ongoing GIS work around the same time. Removing the request for a proper source without taking the time to understand the question isn't a way to improve the topic. Tedickey (talk) 11:27, 18 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-18T11:27:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-02-18T11:27:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-18T04:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-20T09:57:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-18T11:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do you have a reference? A Link? A ISBN? If there are references then we should update the article and correct it. I don't know what you mean with "GIS work". So lets work on this together. I believe we both want the article to be correct, right?! --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 09:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-20T09:57:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-20T09:57:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-18T11:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tedickey-2008-02-20T20:26:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-20T09:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I googled on "printer graphics", having noticed that the examples shown were of the type which reproduced a photograph using overstrikes and selected characters to obtain different shading effects. GIS refers to maps. For example:

http://www.gsd.harvard.edu/studios/brc/framework/steinitz.txt

http://gis2.esri.com/esripress/shared/images/82/HarvardBLAD_screen.pdf

http://www.landscapemodeling.org/html/ch1/ch1text.htm#figure1.32

Tedickey (talk) 20:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-20T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-02-20T20:26:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-20T09:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-23T10:23:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-20T20:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Am I blind? I cannot find any examples of pre-1966 ASCII art, not even text art for that matter. Btw. "printer graphics" is maybe not the best keyword to look for this stuff. We are not talking about Teletype or Typewriter art here. We are also not talking about raytracing or 3d modelling. The Teletype stuff etc. is mentioned in the article regarding the history and origin of ASCII art and then links to the corresponding article. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 10:23, 23 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-23T10:23:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-02-23T10:23:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-20T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tedickey-2008-02-23T18:41:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-23T10:23:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

Probably you're missing the point: you see one example of "ASCII Art" (which is not art - it reproduces photographs - and not ASCII - read the picture closely and see that it uses non-ASCII symbols). From the given information, it is not possible to state that Knowlton and Harmon claimed to be the first in this area. The images appear to be produced with a printing device, whether a terminal or line-printer is not stated. This indicates that it was neither, though the WP topic Leon Harmon says it was. I pointed out concurrent work which does use the overstruck printing technique to produce maps, and due to the timescale could not have been inspired by Knowlton and Harmon. So the best you can do with the paragraph is tone it down, and pointing out additional pioneers per se, such as the GIS stuff. Tedickey (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-02-23T18:41:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-02-23T18:41:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-02-23T10:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-23T18:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gotcha, you want somebody else saying "Yeah, I looked and that's the oldest I could find" in order to be a reference. This was actually said be somebody else years ago, but not an authority like the New York Times. The problem is that you will not find (or better, it will be highly unlikely) that a modern day authority will make such a statement. I will think about rephrasing the section a bit to be more clear. It will resemble something like this. "It did not take long for the first ASCII art to appear after the ASCII standard was introduced. Among the oldest known examples of ASCII art are the ... " etc. That's a fact that is proven by the simple closeness in time between the proven date of the introduction of ASCII as a standard and the verifyable works by Kenneth Knowlton. It also leaves room for the possibility that earlier ASCII art examples might exist (or not). What do you think about that? Cheers! --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 08:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-02-23T18:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:48:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z","c-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

However, you still haven't established a causal relationship between the appearance of the ASCII standard and the appearance of ASCII art. Tedickey (talk) 11:48, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T11:48:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:48:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

For an authority, you'd need someone who actually did some of the work - doesn't appear that they're commenting. The first examples I saw were a couple of years later, on IBM (which wasn't ASCII in any case - noting that most of the hardware was not ASCII). Tedickey (talk) 11:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-08T08:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:04:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z","c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:10:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

The article is about ASCII art and not text art so it can not start before the ASCII standard. However, the article also honors predecessors and some side tracks of ASCII art, because there is no article about the more general subject of text art at Wikipedia. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 14:04, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T14:04:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:04:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

I removed the sentence "It did not take long for the first ASCII art to appear after the ASCII standard was introduced." if that makes you happy. It leaves even more room for content, ASCII standard related or not. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 14:10, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:10:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-08T11:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tedickey-2008-03-10T15:27:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

That's an improvement (even allows for printer graphics). I'll keep in mind to revisit and perhaps comment on that. Tedickey (talk) 15:27, 10 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-10T15:27:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-03-10T15:27:00.000Z-Cumbrowski-2008-03-10T14:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-03T23:30:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-10T15:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Any ideas to solve the dilema will be apprechiated. Thanks. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 23:30, 3 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T23:30:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-03T23:30:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-10T15:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

Wordsinart is Kenny McMillan (easily verified), who has for some time been attempting to use WP as an advertising medium for his prints, which are loosely related to this topic. Aside from advertising, the topic appears to not be notable (whether overlaid pictures on text, or printer graphics). It's certainly not a "new an unique development" as claimed in the edit-as-advertising applied to this topic. Complicating the discussion are McMillan's IP-edits, which will make further edits suspect. Tedickey (talk) 23:13, 20 March 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z-COI_Edits_by_Kenny_McMillan_for_Motilism","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-03T23:43:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z","c-Tedickey-2008-04-04T21:51:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

You have any links to have at least a look at it? "Molilism" returns virtually nothing in the major search engines. "Wordsinart" + "Kenny McMillan" returns nothing. WP as in WordPress? If that is the right term for your abbreviation then I would expect content about this subject all over the Internet and thus in Google. It would also bother me, if it stands not for WordPress. ASCII art is a digital medium. Okay a lot of stuff got lost or is buried somewhere on a crappy site with buried treasures that blocks unintentionally search engines from getting to know about it. But there are archives like textfiles.com and others who collect everything they can get their hands on and publish it for free. Not finding any reference for the existence of this "art style" and this art form being notable contradicts itself (particular in this subject). For all I know could the whole thing be made up. There is also no reference to any physical evidence that could be checked by somebody if he wants to. I suggest to remove the whole paragraph if no references will be provided within the next few days. At least something to look at and discuss further about. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-03T23:43:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-03T23:43:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

google only finds about 300 hits, most of which are advertising for McMillan's website. It's not notable, is a technique that I've seen occasionally in the past, in advertising media or posters. ("WP" is an abbreviation for Wikipedia). I agree the paragraph should be removed. Tedickey (talk) 21:51, 4 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-04T21:51:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-04-04T21:51:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-03-20T23:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-21T22:34:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-04-04T21:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

I removed it. See details two paragraphs further down. I also found some other interesting facts that were not really supporting the Motilism case. --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 22:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-21T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-21T22:34:00.000Z-Tedickey-2008-04-04T21:51:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

A vandal removed my addition. ASCII art/Archive 2 is used to fill in seas, mountains, etc. on ASCII maps. Jidanni (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-15T01:18:00.000Z","author":"Jidanni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jidanni-2008-04-15T01:18:00.000Z-Maps","replies":[]}}-->

I removed the following block from the article that was added by User:Wordsinart

Despite from the fact that we have a clear case of WP:COI here (see User_talk:Wordsinart#Spam_in_Motillism and User_talk:Tikiwont/Archive_5#Motillism) does the content not belong into the ASCII art article, because Motillism or however you want to call it, is not ASCII art. Text art? likely. ANSI art? by a far stretch. ASCII art? no way. Different colors and typeface are being used in order to generate the desired effects. ASCII art is TWO colors and ONE typeface per image. We do not have an article about the general topic of "Text Art" and an article about "Motillism" cannot stand on its own merits. So if somebody feels the need of Motillism to be included somewhere in Wikipedia, I would suggest starting on a good article to Text art in general. :) --roy<sac> ^Talk! .oOo. 22:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-04-21T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Cumbrowski","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cumbrowski-2008-04-21T22:31:00.000Z-Motillism","replies":[],"displayName":"roy"}}-->

A Google search on "asciify" and derivatives brings up a lot of hits relating to ASCII art. Should thes term be mentioned in this article? I'm more familiar with the use of the term to describe transforming text from extended Latin to ASCII. --A12n (talk) 22:58, 10 June 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-06-10T22:58:00.000Z","author":"A12n","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-A12n-2008-06-10T22:58:00.000Z-\"ASCIIfy\"_and_ASCII_art","replies":[]}}-->

what about asciimator.net in the external links —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.78.212.182 (talk) 17:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-01T17:14:00.000Z","author":"79.78.212.182","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-79.78.212.182-2008-08-01T17:14:00.000Z-asciimation","replies":[]}}-->

I made animations for a text-only football game on my Commodore PET back in the 70s, and someone did a Spacewar variant for it back then too (gah, can't recall the name). People at my high school created video games in the early 80s on terminals hooked up to a PDP-11, using ASCII art - e.g., (-o-) for Darth Vader's TIE fighter in a shooter game. These can't be the only examples of this sort of thing. Anyone want to research and add to the Uses section? --John_Abbe (talk) 18:15, 10 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-10T18:15:00.000Z","author":"John Abbe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_Abbe-2008-11-10T18:15:00.000Z-Early_use_in_games","replies":["c-2fort5r-2009-08-22T08:40:00.000Z-John_Abbe-2008-11-10T18:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"John_Abbe"}}-->

I've just added Jason Jupiter to WP. I'm trying to think of more but none come to mind. Are there enough to create a List of textmode arcade games? 2fort5r (talk) 08:40, 22 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-22T08:40:00.000Z","author":"2fort5r","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-2fort5r-2009-08-22T08:40:00.000Z-John_Abbe-2008-11-10T18:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The images' descriptions match their use - what's the point of removing them? Tedickey (talk) 01:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-03T01:54:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tedickey-2008-12-03T01:54:00.000Z-examples_of_\"Image_to_text_conversion\"","replies":[]}}-->

~ZeNa~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.80.99.105 (talk) 06:34, 18 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-18T06:34:00.000Z","author":"93.80.99.105","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-93.80.99.105-2009-02-18T06:34:00.000Z-examples_of_\"Image_to_text_conversion\"","replies":[]}}-->

To say that ASCII art is an 'art movement' is much like saying that that oil or tempera paintings are 'art movements'. It is an absurdity. It may be possible that there are 'schools' of art that use ASCII as their technique/medium, but ASCII art itself is merely is a technique within the graphic arts. --Ambrosiaster (talk) 00:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-16T00:00:00.000Z","author":"Ambrosiaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ambrosiaster-2009-03-16T00:00:00.000Z-Art_movement_?","replies":[]}}-->

Anyone else have this problem? The main images for the page seem to be offset. I suggest these be rendered as images and stored/displayed as such. -Zeus-^u|c 21:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-08T21:04:00.000Z","author":"-Zeus-","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c--Zeus--2009-04-08T21:04:00.000Z-Example_images_not_rendering_properly","replies":[],"displayName":"u"}}-->

Keyboard/Text Art, dating from Popular Mechanics (magazine), Issue: October 1948, page 181. Article author Paul: Hadley. http://digg.com/d1147a —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.246.132.26 (talk) 10:31, 21 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-21T10:31:00.000Z","author":"130.246.132.26","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-130.246.132.26-2009-04-21T10:31:00.000Z-Another_historical_reference?","replies":[]}}-->

That article is being considered for deletion Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ASCII porn. Шизомби (talk) 21:44, 5 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-05T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Schizombie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Schizombie-2009-05-05T21:44:00.000Z-ASCII_porn","replies":[],"displayName":"\u0428\u0438\u0437\u043e\u043c\u0431\u0438"}}-->

IBM code page 437 block graphics are not ASCII. If this article is going to include text graphics made with non-ASCII charsets, it should be called text graphics or text art or such—with ASCII art redirecting to it. It is appropriate to note the "high-ASCII", "8-bit-ASCII", and "Extended ASCII" misnomers, but not to attempt to canonise them.
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What is identified as "oldskool" (sic) / "Amiga" Has nothing in particular to do with the Amiga—and is older than personal computers. (Remember typewriters?) The "newskool" is also pretty stinkin' old. At most, it should be noted somewhere that some people use these dubious terms (with citations, tyvm). They are not standard far beyond the niche group in which they were born.
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I totally agree, this is just nonsense. I checked out the "reference" used and it stinks, this could not be seen as a proper reference. The asciiscene is much more complex than that, even in only the Amiga-ascii-branch there are several styles that are considered newschool/oldschool, what falsely in this article is described as "newschool" is just a technique among many to make filled characters, not a style. 83.183.80.127 (talk) 18:11, 27 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-27T18:11:00.000Z","author":"83.183.80.127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-83.183.80.127-2009-11-27T18:11:00.000Z-\"Oldskool\/Amiga\"?_\"Newskool\"?_WTF?","replies":[]}}-->

The textual samples do not render correctly in all situations. (The unicode rendition of the CP-437 sample (which should be labelled as such, as you will not find those glyphs on any official ANSI or ISO table of the ASCII charset) is especially mangled for me (with Firefox 3 under Win2k), and i'm not managing to make it look right without doing things that are obviously bad ideas). If they it cannot be made to render correctly, they should be made into image(s) (like the later samples).
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you are right. done. ƒoאŁoɠicƙ^talk 11:23, 26 October 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-10-26T11:23:00.000Z","author":"FoxLogick","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FoxLogick-2009-10-26T11:23:00.000Z-Brian_Patrie-2009-08-04T07:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u0192o\u05d0\u0141o\u0260ic\u0199"}}-->

I'm looking for "Bob". Does anyone remember this ascii image? Very early. Professor with pipe. Perfect for this article. It may be one of the very first ascii art images.--Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:22, 21 September 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-09-21T12:22:00.000Z","author":"Anna Frodesiak","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anna_Frodesiak-2009-09-21T12:22:00.000Z-Bob","replies":["c-Wakuran-2013-02-08T13:24:00.000Z-Anna_Frodesiak-2009-09-21T12:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

See Bob Dobbs. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-08T13:24:00.000Z","author":"Wakuran","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wakuran-2013-02-08T13:24:00.000Z-Anna_Frodesiak-2009-09-21T12:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u60d1\u4e71 Wakuran"}}-->

I added a link to our site, http://www.asciiarena.com earlier and it was removed. The site is an preservation/archive project which today has >1000 amiga ascii collections, and in some weeks it will probably cover most of the known releases on the amiga asciiscene converted to png-images to give 100% accurate output. The site is 100% non-commercial without ads and is free to use, it is run by the remains of the amiga ascii scene. How can this site be irrelevant? 83.183.80.127 (talk) 17:29, 27 November 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-11-27T17:29:00.000Z","author":"83.183.80.127","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-83.183.80.127-2009-11-27T17:29:00.000Z-External_link_removed,_why?","replies":[]}}-->

Please add the BBS Ad collection under the Links.

http://mbox.bz/slurp/ascii/bbsads/

Also seconded that asciiarena must be linked. It is *the* ascii art resource on the net right now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.206.92.162 (talk) 15:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-12-06T15:53:00.000Z","author":"92.206.92.162","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-92.206.92.162-2009-12-06T15:53:00.000Z-BBS_Ad_Collection","replies":[]}}-->

http://www.freches-ding.de

contains thousands of ASCII Arts. All of them you can use in normal HTML guestbooks or blogs. The site counts 100.000 Impressions per month.

Thanks for checking! Heinz —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.66.233 (talk) 08:25, 12 February 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-12T08:25:00.000Z","author":"87.78.66.233","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-87.78.66.233-2010-02-12T08:25:00.000Z-Pleas_add_Collection","replies":[]}}-->

Not yet mentioned in the article is one-line ASCII art, like ٩(̾●̮̮̃̾•̃̾)۶ __̴ı̴̴̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡ ̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|̡̡̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̡̡ ̡͌l̡̡̡̡ --82.171.70.54 (talk) 16:38, 27 February 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-27T16:38:00.000Z","author":"82.171.70.54","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-82.171.70.54-2010-02-27T16:38:00.000Z-One_Line_ASCII_Art","replies":["c-Ondertitel-2010-02-28T11:18:00.000Z-82.171.70.54-2010-02-27T16:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see a lot of squares in my primary browser while an other one shows it correct. I'm sure it doesn't use the ASCII character set. I think it can be added to the Unicode part of the article? Ondertitel (talk) 11:18, 28 February 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-02-28T11:18:00.000Z","author":"Ondertitel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ondertitel-2010-02-28T11:18:00.000Z-82.171.70.54-2010-02-27T16:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think the javascript link to the ASCII Animation of star wars episode 4 is extremely important. It demonstrates the power of ASCII animation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.4.127.22 (talk) 12:29, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T12:29:00.000Z","author":"96.4.127.22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-96.4.127.22-2010-05-17T12:29:00.000Z-starwars_episode_4_link_added","replies":["c-Tedickey-2010-05-17T20:34:00.000Z-96.4.127.22-2010-05-17T12:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do read WP:EL Tedickey (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tedickey-2010-05-17T20:34:00.000Z-96.4.127.22-2010-05-17T12:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Is it wroth to menion in the article that, when search "ascii art" in google, it logo will change to its ascii form?

<b>  <span style=color:blue>___</span>                <span style=color:#0b0>_</span><br><span style=color:blue> / __|</span><span style=color:red>___</span>  <span style=color:#dd0>___</span>  <span style=color:blue>__ _</span><span style=color:#0b0>| |</span><span style=color:red>___</span> <br><span style=color:blue>| (_ </span><span style=color:red>/ _ \</span><span style=color:#dd0>/ _ \</span><span style=color:blue>/ _` </span><span style=color:#0b0>| </span><span style=color:red>  -_)</span><br><span style=color:blue> \___</span><span style=color:red>\___/</span><span style=color:#dd0>\___/</span><span style=color:blue>\__, </span><span style=color:#0b0>|_</span><span style=color:red>\___|</span><br>               <span style=color:blue>|___/</span></b>

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Not particularly.  Xihr  22:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-28T22:09:00.000Z","author":"Xihr","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xihr-2010-06-28T22:09:00.000Z-C933103-2010-06-28T20:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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No mention of what ascii stands for?

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So we're assuming everyone knows what "American Standard Code for Information Interchange" is.

I'm almost expecting to find an article about asc2 on here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.204.16.29 (talk) 02:32, 13 September 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T02:32:00.000Z","author":"76.204.16.29","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-76.204.16.29-2010-09-13T02:32:00.000Z-No_mention_of_what_ascii_stands_for?","replies":["c-Tedickey-2010-09-13T09:47:00.000Z-76.204.16.29-2010-09-13T02:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

ASCII is linked in the lede, for those unfamiliar with the abbreviation TEDickey (talk) 09:47, 13 September 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-09-13T09:47:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tedickey-2010-09-13T09:47:00.000Z-76.204.16.29-2010-09-13T02:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Dual Font ANSI art

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Multiline IRC ANSI art also exists that displays correctly on both fixed width and proportional fonts. I'm struggling to explain how this is done, but basically if character columns are numbered from left to right, then all character 1s are chosen to be the same width as each other (in proportional fonts), all 2s are chosen to be the same width etc, and colour codes are used to make a lot of the characters background colour on background, thus not visible, leaving just the wanted art. In practice its marginally more complex as one can't always use the same character width on every line, so character widths are swapped round so the rest of a line stays sybchronised with the other lines.

I'm not 100% sure if this is a suitable example, but it very much looks like an exaple of this style. You might need to click edit and copy it before pasting into irc, wiki will reformat it wrongly on the talk page.

�1,1(_)oo   (�0_�1)�0o�1o   (_)oo   (�0_�1)�0o�1o   (_)oo   (�0_�1)�0o
�1,1(�0_�1)�0o�1o  �0 (_)�1o�0o   �1(�0_�1)�0o�1o�0   (_)�1o�0o�1   (�0_�1)�0o�1o�0   (_)�1o�0o
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Should this removal be reinstated? Those comics don't seem very notable. --Closedmouth (talk) 10:01, 15 May 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-05-15T10:01:00.000Z","author":"Closedmouth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Closedmouth-2011-05-15T10:01:00.000Z-Section_removed","replies":["c-84user-2011-07-21T23:08:00.000Z-Closedmouth-2011-05-15T10:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I reinstated that section, it has sources and was removed with no explanation. The style and bolding could be cleaned up though. -84user (talk) 23:08, 21 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-21T23:08:00.000Z","author":"84user","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-84user-2011-07-21T23:08:00.000Z-Closedmouth-2011-05-15T10:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Mona (ASCII art) redirects here, but there is no explanation of Mona in the article. -- Beland (talk) 05:20, 6 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-06T05:20:00.000Z","author":"Beland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beland-2012-06-06T05:20:00.000Z-Mona_redirect","replies":["c-Tedickey-2012-06-06T08:07:00.000Z-Beland-2012-06-06T05:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

As I recall it, Mona was non-notable software promoted by its developer. If that is correct, the appropriate action would be to delete the redirect TEDickey (talk) 08:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-06T08:07:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tedickey-2012-06-06T08:07:00.000Z-Beland-2012-06-06T05:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Mona was a font. --ThatGrrl (talk) 23:06, 6 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-06T23:06:00.000Z","author":"ThatGrrl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThatGrrl-2017-03-06T23:06:00.000Z-Mona_redirect","replies":[]}}-->

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Shii’s song redirect

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Why does "Shii's song" redirect here? It’s not referenced anywhere I can see 81.228.54.151 (talk) 15:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-05T15:05:00.000Z","author":"81.228.54.151","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-81.228.54.151-2014-07-05T15:05:00.000Z-Shii\u2019s_song_redirect","replies":[]}}-->

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No specific mention of AOL macros

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There is no reference in the article to AOL "macros." I think it would be appropriate to specifically mention these in the "Non fixed-width ASCII" section as they became fairly recognizable in the late 90's when much of the general population of the United States connected to the internet through AOL. For many of these people, macros were their sole exposure to any form of ASCII art besides rudimentary forms like emoticons.

Macros were originally works of ASCII art modified to display properly in AOL chatrooms. Chatrooms were limited to the proportional font Arial (size 10). The font also included characters not traditionally used with works of ASCII art. Macros eventually grew to become their own entity and were quite popular until AOL stopped becoming a popular means of connecting to the internet. In the late 90's, I ran a site called The Macrohouse which displayed thousands of these macros from about a hundred different artists. I've rescued many of them through the Wayback Machine. Because of their font limitations, macros were not often used outside of AOL, but they should still be a recognized part of ASCII art history. Because Arial is a proportional font with a larger character set, macro art works were often more detailed than traditional ASCII art. If you're interested in including macro art in this article, let me know and I'll write something more appropriate. I could also provide images. I only refrain from doing so now because, at the time, much of the ASCII art community shared a general disdain for macro art. It existed outside the "rules" of traditional ASCII art and most of the macro artists were younger people. Eventually, some prominent members of the ASCII art community, like Joan Stark, began to recognize them, but most of the community was either apathetic or suppressed them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macrohouse (talk • contribs) 20:46, 30 October 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-10-30T20:46:00.000Z","author":"Macrohouse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Macrohouse-2012-10-30T20:46:00.000Z-No_specific_mention_of_AOL_macros","replies":[]}}-->

I remember the AOL macros. The information would be worth keeping with ASCII art. Some people still create text art using non fixed-width fonts (some using a graphics editor to move individual type characters as well). There was some nice work, but the point of ASCII was that it could be displayed in text and HTML rather than an image file. --ThatGrrl (talk) 23:11, 6 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-06T23:11:00.000Z","author":"ThatGrrl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThatGrrl-2017-03-06T23:11:00.000Z-No_specific_mention_of_AOL_macros","replies":[]}}-->

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The Shift_JIS section seems to have been written by someone who doesn't speak English. I can't fix it, I don't know what it means! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.168.187.66 (talk) 02:18, 29 December 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-29T02:18:00.000Z","author":"67.168.187.66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-67.168.187.66-2013-12-29T02:18:00.000Z-Shift_JIS","replies":[]}}-->

Who did that? It is somewhat comprehendible, but not very much. 162.104.12.143 (talk) 23:48, 9 November 2016 (UTC) Oh, and by the way, can anyone try and figure out what this bizarre juxtaposition of incredibly broken English is? (not to insult)162.104.12.143 (talk) 23:52, 9 November 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-11-09T23:48:00.000Z","author":"162.104.12.143","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-162.104.12.143-2016-11-09T23:48:00.000Z-Shift_JIS","replies":[]}}-->

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Would like to add:

• ascii art maker

It has several innovative features that make it easier for newcomers to experiment with ASCII and its limitations, and to share their color artwork using bbcode, html, or images. Any objections? 154.5.6.164 (talk) 00:57, 20 March 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-20T00:57:00.000Z","author":"154.5.6.164","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-154.5.6.164-2014-03-20T00:57:00.000Z-External_links","replies":["c-Tedickey-2014-03-20T01:07:00.000Z-154.5.6.164-2014-03-20T00:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's nothing compelling about it - WP:EL applies TEDickey (talk) 01:07, 20 March 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-03-20T01:07:00.000Z","author":"Tedickey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tedickey-2014-03-20T01:07:00.000Z-154.5.6.164-2014-03-20T00:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Site is not opening now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatGrrl (talk • contribs) 23:12, 6 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-06T23:12:00.000Z","author":"ThatGrrl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThatGrrl-2017-03-06T23:12:00.000Z-External_links","replies":[]}}-->

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merge from ASCII art converter

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ASCII art converter was nominated for deletion, but the result of the discussion was to merge that article here. How can the merge be correctly performed when the relevant material from the source article is completely unreferenced? -- Mikeblas (talk) 13:52, 1 June 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-06-01T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Mikeblas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mikeblas-2014-06-01T13:52:00.000Z-merge_from_ASCII_art_converter","replies":[]}}-->

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I added the bit about "typewriter" ASCII art (larger letters made from individual letter characters - I'm sorry, I don't know what the "scene" term for it is called) to the page along with a Hello World example. We used to see this a LOT back in the days of logging into mainframes over Telnet and 3270.MXocrossIIB ^{(So, you were saying?)}; 03:54, 2 January 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-02T03:54:00.000Z","author":"MXocrossIIB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MXocrossIIB-2016-01-02T03:54:00.000Z-Typewriter-style","replies":[]}}-->

In fact, it's actually much older-school than so-called "oldschool" Amiga text art. MXocrossIIB ^{(So, you were saying?)}; 03:57, 2 January 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-01-02T03:57:00.000Z","author":"MXocrossIIB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MXocrossIIB-2016-01-02T03:57:00.000Z-Typewriter-style","replies":[]}}-->

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Strange there is no mention to the usual ascII art that almost allways come on warez .nfo files

Example of a google search of nfo + ascii: [1]

someway somehow this nfo culture on ascii art should be added to the article.

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Yes, NFO should be mentioned, but outside of the warez context. The relationship between NFO and warez is covered in the corresponding articles. There is no need to link ASCII art to warez. An₉elFish (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-10T00:03:00.000Z","author":"An9elFish","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-An9elFish-2021-05-10T00:03:00.000Z-WiZaRd_SaiLoR-2016-05-21T09:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/the-ascii-mystery-face/483698/?single_page=true

Don't make ad for a website please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6D40:9ACE:9572:EB5 (talk) 03:36, 4 December 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-12-04T03:36:00.000Z","author":"2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6D40:9ACE:9572:EB5","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6D40:9ACE:9572:EB5-2016-12-04T03:36:00.000Z-1800s_ASCII_Art","replies":["c-LlywelynII-2017-03-04T23:13:00.000Z-2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6D40:9ACE:9572:EB5-2016-12-04T03:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's a journal and wp:reliablesource for expanding the article, not an "ad".

More to the point, if text art is going to link here, the entire article needs a complete overhaul, with mention of the Greco-Roman concrete poems, medieval manuscript text art (sidebar), and (at minimum) their East Asian equivalents in the history section. Since that doesn't really fit the page name and would require a move, it's probably better to simply remove all pre-computer art (such as the current treatment of newspaper ads) to a new text art page and develop from there. — LlywelynII 23:13, 4 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-04T23:13:00.000Z","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LlywelynII-2017-03-04T23:13:00.000Z-2A01:E35:8A8D:FE80:6D40:9ACE:9572:EB5-2016-12-04T03:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Real ASCII not there

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Would be more interesting and useful to undestand how it works to have the picture in real ASCII, rather than a photo.

No, it wouldn't. We can set the size of the photos and do layout around them. Proper ASCII art within the page script could display differently across browsers, user settings, etc.

Maybe something small could be done, like an inline rose, but nothing large like the Wikipedia logo. — LlywelynII 23:15, 4 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-04T23:15:00.000Z","author":"LlywelynII","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LlywelynII-2017-03-04T23:15:00.000Z-Real_ASCII_not_there","replies":[]}}-->

Easy enough to enlarge an ASCII art by changing the font size in Notepad. Then take a screenshot to use it as an image file which could be posted to the site. No problems for various browsers, etc. I've done so for my own ASCII art. The odd time someone complains about not having a text file but between having the art ripped off and not being able to display it reliably in HTML - an image file makes life a lot easier. --ThatGrrl (talk) 23:19, 6 March 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-03-06T23:19:00.000Z","author":"ThatGrrl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ThatGrrl-2017-03-06T23:19:00.000Z-Real_ASCII_not_there","replies":[]}}-->

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The article should say something about Teletext and Ceefax, important users of ANSI art-like graphics in the UK & other countries for years.

Also about the similar use of block graphics on the BBC Micro. Ben Finn (talk) 09:19, 15 July 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-07-15T09:19:00.000Z","author":"Bfinn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bfinn-2017-07-15T09:19:00.000Z-Teletext,_BBC_Micro","replies":[],"displayName":"Ben Finn"}}-->

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Intro Vague

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"ASCII art was invented, in large part, because early printers often lacked graphics ability and thus characters were used in place of graphic marks. Also, to mark divisions between different print jobs from different users, bulk printers often used ASCII art to print large banners, making the division easier to spot so that the results could be more easily separated by a computer operator or clerk." This sentence in italics (italics mine) is not very clear and lacks citation. It is not clear from the sentence what is meant by "banners." Is it single-page divisions meant to signal a page break between documents, or is actual multi-page banners of the type printed on dot-matrix printers with continuous-feed paper? Anyone have a source or a clarification? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Picahudsonia (talk • contribs) 20:51, 25 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-25T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Picahudsonia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Picahudsonia-2017-12-25T20:51:00.000Z-Intro_Vague","replies":[]}}-->

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ASCII Art generators

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Added here because the instructions on the article's page says to not add them there

• Block text generator in various fonts
• ASCII Art chart generator

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No mention of Jerma ASCII art

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How come there is a wiki article on ASCII art, with ASCII art yet THIS

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Is not mentioned in the examples? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teuf0rt (talk • contribs) 02:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-25T02:47:00.000Z","author":"Teuf0rt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Teuf0rt-2022-03-25T02:47:00.000Z-No_mention_of_Jerma_ASCII_art","replies":["c-WurmWoode-20220922211400-Teuf0rt-2022-03-25T02:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Because baudot code-- that is paper-punch encoding with dots is different from character/number/symbol encoding. The difference between watercolours and oil painting. WurmWoode^T 21:14, 22 September 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220922211400","author":"WurmWoode","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WurmWoode-20220922211400-Teuf0rt-2022-03-25T02:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->