Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Boxing

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Help me with expansion of NZ Boxers especially Peach Boxing

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Hey can someone help me update a couple of these as I just dont have the time to maintain them anymore and they are getting neglected.

Andrei Mikhailovich needs his profile to reflected on the fact that he was declared mandatory challenger by IBF, negotiations were lengthy, a lot of post poned fight, eventually got a fight after 1 year hiatus due to waiting for the elimination fight, and then his world title which ended in him losing

Isaac Peach

Jerome Pampellone

Mea Motu needs to be expanded more recent events, especially her fights in 2024 and her being on TV

David Letele for more his community work

David Higgins (event promoter)

Duco Events especially with David Nyika, T20 Black Clash and Synthony events

Lani Daniels espeically expansion of her being on TV

Uila Mau'u

Floyd Masson

Boxing NZ reflecting on leaving IBA and joining World Boxing

Mose Auimatagi Jnr

Junior Fa retiring in his career, leaving the church, big life change and his last loss

Hemi Ahio

any help would be very much appreciated Bennyaha (talk) 22:27, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241006222700","author":"Bennyaha","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bennyaha-20241006222700-Help_me_with_expansion_of_NZ_Boxers_especially_Peach_Boxing","replies":[]}}-->

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"Vs." and "Vs"

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See this recent discussion I had with User:Sam11333. The user appears to be under the impression that there is a consensus here to change "vs" (no dot) in boxing-related articles to "vs." This has resulted in a number of edits and pagemoves which violate WP:RETAIN. Posting here for comment before moving further with dispute resolution. 162 etc. (talk) 23:02, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125230200","author":"162 etc.","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-162_etc.-20241125230200-\"Vs.\"_and_\"Vs\"","replies":[]}}-->

So are we using vs. or vs? Mahussain06 (talk) 08:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230084600","author":"Mahussain06","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mahussain06-20241230084600-\"Vs.\"_and_\"Vs\"","replies":[]}}-->

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WBA title labelling

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User:Sam11333 has begun making bulk changes to succession boxes by re-labelling the WBA's various secondary titles (Regular/Unified/Undisputed) under the "minor boxing titles" heading – [1] – putting them on par with actual lower-tier organisations such as the IBO, WBF, etc. This, to me, is greatly misleading. We all know the secondary titles tend to be bogus, but they absolutely cannot be compared with the other aforementioned organisations. WBA Regular champions were/are still "major" titleholders.

This urgently needs discussion, because our valued Sam has a habit of really going for it (as he should, because his boxing event articles are great for the most part.. except his devotion to using flags). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129192600","author":"Mac Dreamstate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mac_Dreamstate-20241129192600-WBA_title_labelling","replies":[]}}-->

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TBRB in fight articles

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As a "title"—they need to go. There's only one IP who seems to love adding these intangible labels (which is what they are), so maybe they're working for them. Either way, start zapping. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 22:36, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241227223600","author":"Mac Dreamstate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mac_Dreamstate-20241227223600-TBRB_in_fight_articles","replies":[]}}-->

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Record table sorting, alignment

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Folks of the Project, please read—this could be quite important. Is this something we should be doing? I know most other sports on WP use ascending chronological order for tables, but for some reason the major combat sports (boxing, MMA, kickboxing) use descending, so most recent fight on top. For boxing, it seems we've mainly lifted this format from BoxRec. I have no opinion as to which order makes the most sense or looks better, having simply gone with the way I've seen it being done for almost two decades. I invoke neither WP:ILIKEIT nor WP:OTHERSTUFF.

However, I will say that I've found nothing whatsoever in MOS:TABLE or MOS:ACCESS which stipulates that tables must use either ascending or descending order. I also fail to see the merit of making such a trivial change to potentially thousands of articles. Perhaps presumptuously, I would guess most readers of boxing articles on WP are very much used to clicking on the Professional boxing record TOC link to conveniently see the most recent fight on top. I would therefore like to invite User:GhostInTheMachine to discuss this further. Mac Dreamstate (talk) 19:11, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230191100","author":"Mac Dreamstate","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mac_Dreamstate-20241230191100-Record_table_sorting,_alignment","replies":["c-Mahussain06-20241231084500-Mac_Dreamstate-20241230191100","c-GhostInTheMachine-20241231182100-Mac_Dreamstate-20241230191100"]}}-->

Hi everyone. i think we should leave it as it is. It's not broken. Let's not fix it. At this point, i'm just so used to seeing the last fight at the top anyway. Is there anyone who wants to make this change? Mahussain06 (talk) 08:45, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231084500","author":"Mahussain06","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mahussain06-20241231084500-Mac_Dreamstate-20241230191100","replies":[]}}-->
  • There are two independent points here, so I am boldly creating two sections for any further discussions — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:21, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231182100","author":"GhostInTheMachine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GhostInTheMachine-20241231182100-Mac_Dreamstate-20241230191100","replies":[]}}-->
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Record table — alignment

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I altered the table to use the {{Table alignment}} template. This allows left/right alignment to be defined once for a whole column in a table and removes any need for text-align styling on several cells of every single row of the table. This saves typing and simplifies the table code. This just makes editing easier, both when making the table, and also when maintaining it later.

There is no need to alter all existing tables to use this method, just keep it in mind when creating new articles or when making large changes to existing ones — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:29, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231182900","author":"GhostInTheMachine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GhostInTheMachine-20241231182900-Record_table_\u2014_alignment","replies":[]}}-->

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Record table — sorting

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Our English language writing system flows downwards – text starts at the top and works downwards. So, a narrative starts at the top of a page and later events are below that.

A list then follows this basic pattern – it starts at the top with the first item and later items follow below that. Lists of names are sorted into alphabetical order with A at the top and Z at the bottom. Lists of numbers are sorted into numerical order with the lowest number at the top and largest number at the bottom. Lists of dates are sorted into chronological order with the oldest item at the top and the newest at the bottom.

A table is just a "wider" list – each item in the list just has more attributes – displayed conveniently in columns – but it still follows the same basic pattern as a list. So a table of events starts with the oldest item at the top and the newest item at the bottom.

There is no need to alter all existing tables to display in chronological order, but all new articles should do this and existing articles should probably be corrected over time — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 18:46, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231184600","author":"GhostInTheMachine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GhostInTheMachine-20241231184600-Record_table_\u2014_sorting","replies":[]}}-->