This is an archive of past discussions on Wikipedia:WikiProject Alternative views. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

There is a request for comment on whether Quackwatch is a self-published source. This RfC also concerns the application of WP:BLP § Avoid self-published sources (WP:BLPSPS) to content from Quackwatch. If you are interested, please participate at WP:RSN § RfC: Quackwatch. — Newslinger talk 00:04, 9 November 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-11-09T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Newslinger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newslinger-2019-11-09T00:04:00.000Z-RfC_on_whether_Quackwatch_is_a_self-published_source","replies":[]}}-->

There is a noticeboard discussion regarding the use of Climate Feedback and InsideClimate News to describe the accuracy of claims made by proponents of climate change denial. If you are interested, please participate at WP:BLPN § Accuracy of claims made by climate change deniers. — Newslinger talk 10:49, 14 January 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-01-14T10:49:00.000Z","author":"Newslinger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newslinger-2020-01-14T10:49:00.000Z-Climate_Feedback_and_InsideClimate_News_on_accuracy_of_claims_by_proponents_of_c","replies":[]}}-->

You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Ufology, which is about an article that is within the scope of this WikiProject. {{u|Gtoffoletto}}  ^talk 23:05, 4 May 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-05-04T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Gtoffoletto","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gtoffoletto-2020-05-04T23:05:00.000Z-Discussion_about_article_\"Ufology\"","replies":[]}}-->

Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:59, 29 March 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-03-29T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Emir of Wikipedia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Emir_of_Wikipedia-2021-03-29T19:59:00.000Z-Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory_has_an_RFC","replies":[]}}-->

Category:Alternative Views articles needing expert attention has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Peaceray (talk) 05:43, 16 May 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-05-16T05:43:00.000Z","author":"Peaceray","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peaceray-2021-05-16T05:43:00.000Z-Category:Alternative_Views_articles_needing_expert_attention_has_been_nominated","replies":[]}}-->

I suggest adding these to Alternative Views:

• Pervasive refusal syndrome / Resignation syndrome - proposed child psych disorder - forcible hospitalization of kids
• Asylum seekers with apathetic refugee children - linked to pervasive refusal syndrome
• Factitious disorder imposed on another (Munchausen's by proxy)
• Camel milk (the latest cure for everything)
• Essential oil (cures everything, allegedly)

Removing low importance or unassessed articlesfrom project

• Pansexuality (can't find alternative views)
• Chronic fatigue syndrome (established diagnosis) - maybe add the related Controversies page
• Psychotherapy (the mainstream, rather dull kind, previously had GA status)
• Black Ribbons (album, page looks static)

Amousey - they/then pronouns (talk) 14:48, 4 June 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-06-04T14:48:00.000Z","author":"Amousey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amousey-2020-06-04T14:48:00.000Z-Pages_to_include\/not_include","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings, For this WP at Assessments section, I added progression, pie chart, rainbow; wikilinks "Quality operations" and "Popular pages". JoeNMLC (talk) 02:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-07-21T02:01:00.000Z","author":"JoeNMLC","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JoeNMLC-2020-07-21T02:01:00.000Z-Assessments_section,_updated","replies":[]}}-->

Hi folks- I noticed the Alternative Views tag on the talk page for Clare W. Graves, whose article I have been cleaning up (from 1 inline citation to 62!) I'd like to understand the criteria for inclusion.

While Graves influenced a lot of alternative thought (Spiral Dynamics and especially Integral Theory), his own work was straightforward psychology research rooted in experimental data. Even though his work is best known through alternative channels, he is also cited by regular academics. I have added references to a few such citations under Clare W. Graves#Influence.

Graves ends up with an Integral Theory box on his page as an influence (through Don Beck) but had nothing to do with Integral during his lifetime.

Does Graves belong in this project? If so is there anything that should be added to the page regarding it? If not, is it OK for me to remove the box from the talk page?

Thanks! Ixat totep (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-03T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Ixat totep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ixat_totep-2020-08-03T23:26:00.000Z-Question_regarding_inclusion_of_Clare_W._Graves","replies":["c-Tim_Smith-2020-08-09T03:13:00.000Z-Ixat_totep-2020-08-03T23:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Ixat! The article says he was the originator of the "Emergent Cyclical Levels of Existence Theory". If his theory lacks widespread acceptance, then it is an alternative view, even if his work is rooted in experimental data and also cited by regular academics. In that case, I think Graves belongs in this project. Nothing jumps out at me that should be added. Nice work on the article! Tim Smith (talk) 03:13, 9 August 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-09T03:13:00.000Z","author":"Tim Smith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tim_Smith-2020-08-09T03:13:00.000Z-Ixat_totep-2020-08-03T23:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ixat_totep-2020-08-28T23:54:00.000Z-Tim_Smith-2020-08-09T03:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Tim! That makes sense, thanks for the explanation. I have since split the theory out into its own page (currently emergent cyclical theory but it might get switched to "Graves's emergent cyclical levels of existence". (There's no official name and some question as to whether a short but generic-sounding name or a longer but more clear one is is better.) I've also split a Spiral Dynamics page out of Don Beck's page. In case you want to add those two new pages to the project. I'm continuing to work on all four pages. --Ixat totep (talk) 23:54, 28 August 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-08-28T23:54:00.000Z","author":"Ixat totep","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ixat_totep-2020-08-28T23:54:00.000Z-Tim_Smith-2020-08-09T03:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Members of this WikiProject may be interested in this RfC. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:14, 15 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-15T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Beyond My Ken","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Beyond_My_Ken-2020-11-15T23:14:00.000Z-RfC","replies":[]}}-->

If you have an opinion, please share. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:39, 26 November 2020 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2020-11-26T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Gr\u00e5bergs Gr\u00e5a S\u00e5ng","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2020-11-26T19:39:00.000Z-Talk:Vanessa_Beeley_>_Tweet_inclusion_disagreement","replies":[]}}-->

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Female programme writer, co-creator of moldyn method. Please we all need to come out for this one, especially if you're in the computational community in phy sci. will post on sub- science wp's forums as well. Stay strong. Ema--or (talk) 17:48, 11 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-11T17:48:00.000Z","author":"Ema--or","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ema--or-2021-02-11T17:48:00.000Z-Mary_Ann_Mansigh","replies":[]}}-->

It is important to show some love, while she's still here (assuming must be, no obit). Shake 'n bake, now you see me, now you don't. Ema--or (talk) 19:57, 11 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-11T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Ema--or","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ema--or-2021-02-11T19:57:00.000Z-Mary_Ann_Mansigh","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry for my non-NPOV canvas! Ema--or (talk) 21:21, 15 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-15T21:21:00.000Z","author":"Ema--or","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ema--or-2021-02-15T21:21:00.000Z-Mary_Ann_Mansigh","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, just an issue to discuss. Just wanted to name an issue, which I asked for consultation on, but was not able to get any thing on before the end of discussion. There is the issue of my inconsistencies on Mansigh btw main space and other-space, particularly afd- and Wp project-space, although it is particularly a matter for subjective interpretation. I’d like to end by once again apologising for any trouble and thanking anyone who offered any opinion or contribution to the chat, as well as for the space and audience in a place such as this. Bye, ‘til next time. Ema--or (talk) 18:29, 18 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-18T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Ema--or","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ema--or-2021-02-18T18:29:00.000Z-Mary_Ann_Mansigh","replies":[]}}-->

There is a noticeboard discussion on the reliability of McGill University's Office for Science and Society in the context of an article about JP Sears. If you are interested, please participate at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard § JP Sears. — Newslinger talk 08:09, 21 February 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-02-21T08:09:00.000Z","author":"Newslinger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Newslinger-2021-02-21T08:09:00.000Z-Noticeboard_discussion_on_reliability_of_McGill_University's_Office_for_Science","replies":[]}}-->

An editor has requested that Climate change denial be moved to a different name. Please join the discussion at Talk:Climate change denial#Requested move 8 July 2021. Thank you. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:00, 8 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-08T12:00:00.000Z","author":"Sangdeboeuf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sangdeboeuf-2021-07-08T12:00:00.000Z-Requested_move_discussion_in_progress","replies":[]}}-->

This Wikiproject may be interested in the noticeboard discussion about the statement "Neither qi nor meridians exist." in the Shiatsu article: Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard#Do_qi_nor_meridians_exist?. MarshallKe (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-07-27T00:30:00.000Z","author":"MarshallKe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MarshallKe-2021-07-27T00:30:00.000Z-Noticeboard_discussion_on_\"Neither_qi_nor_meridians_exist\"","replies":[]}}-->

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Satanic ritual abuse#Requested move 1 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Shibbolethink ^{(♔ ♕)} 05:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-17T05:27:00.000Z","author":"Shibbolethink","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shibbolethink-2021-08-17T05:27:00.000Z-Requested_move_at_Talk:Satanic_ritual_abuse#Requested_move_1_August_2021","replies":[]}}-->

Could this study about aggressive aliens wiping out a paleolithic equivalent civilization on Mars be qualified for an alternative view?

Free, but not peer reviewed version: [1]

Peer reviewed but paywalled version: [2]

Thank you! Chantern15 (talk) 05:07, 21 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-21T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Chantern15","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chantern15-2021-08-21T05:07:00.000Z-Cydonia-Mars","replies":["c-Tim_Smith-2021-08-23T21:08:00.000Z-Chantern15-2021-08-21T05:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

We have an article on Cydonia, so perhaps it could be mentioned there. But it is not clear to me that the paper has been peer reviewed. It seems to have appeared at a conference called AIAA SPACE 2016, but according to this page, AIAA conference papers are not reviewed. Tim Smith (talk) 21:08, 23 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-23T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Tim Smith","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Tim_Smith-2021-08-23T21:08:00.000Z-Chantern15-2021-08-21T05:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

For your own enlightenment and reflection: a critical essay by Brian Martin on some how Wikipededia covers some topics relevant to this projet: Martin, Brian (12 April 2021). "Policing orthodoxy on Wikipedia: Skeptics in action?". Journal of Science Communication. 20 (02): A09. doi:10.22323/2.20020209. Abstract: Wikipedia has been accused of being biased against challengers to scientific orthodoxy due to efforts by editors having affinities with the Skeptics movement. Examination of Wikipedia, including entries on fluoridation, the origin of AIDS and vaccination, reveals several characteristics typical of a Skeptics sensibility, including the definition of scepticism, lists of deviant ideas, derogatory labelling of heterodox viewpoints, and categories established without reference to reliable sources. --Animalparty! (talk) 17:07, 25 August 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-08-25T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Animalparty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Animalparty-2021-08-25T17:07:00.000Z-Perspective_article_on_Wikipedia_and_Skepticsm","replies":[],"displayName":"--Animalparty!"}}-->

Galileo Galilei has been nominated for a community good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-25T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Jo-Jo Eumerus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2021-11-25T15:52:00.000Z-Notification","replies":[]}}-->

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

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A request for comment has been made at Talk:Ideological bias on Wikipedia § RfC on Larry Sanger's criticism of Wikipedia that may interest members of this project. ––FormalDude talk 12:45, 12 May 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-12T12:45:00.000Z","author":"FormalDude","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FormalDude-2022-05-12T12:45:00.000Z-RfC_at_Talk:Ideological_bias_on_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->