Wikipedia talk:Content translation tool

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Now that google translate is avaliable for machine translation, which far more competent, why not reenable machine translation for English wikipedia?

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See above. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 17:37, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829173700","author":"Grandmaster Huon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grandmaster_Huon-20230829173700-Now_that_google_translate_is_avaliable_for_machine_translation,_which_far_more_c","replies":["c-Xaosflux-20230829175700-Grandmaster_Huon-20230829173700"]}}-->

@Grandmaster Huon this would need wide discussion, feel free to start a WP:RFC - FWIW, I don't think "this new computer is smarter" is going to overcome the prior challenges though. — xaosflux Talk 17:57, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829175700","author":"Xaosflux","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xaosflux-20230829175700-Grandmaster_Huon-20230829173700","replies":["c-Grandmaster_Huon-20230829191000-Xaosflux-20230829175700"]}}-->
Google Translate and DeepL are by far the most competent of the machine translators. Grandmaster Huon (talk) 19:10, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829191000","author":"Grandmaster Huon","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Grandmaster_Huon-20230829191000-Xaosflux-20230829175700","replies":[]}}-->
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Maintenance categories

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I sometimes see maintenance categories such as Category:Articles with dead external links and Category:Articles with unsourced statements being included in pages created by this tool. These categories should be added by maintenance templates such as {{dead link}} and {{citation needed}} rather than being added directly. Why does this happen, and is there a way to stop it? Anomie⚔ 14:59, 7 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231007145900","author":"Anomie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anomie-20231007145900-Maintenance_categories","replies":["c-Asilvering-20231208011000-Anomie-20231007145900"]}}-->

@Anomie I think you would have to track the origin language for each, because my suspicion is this is happening because maintenance categories are applied differently on some other version of wikipedia. When I translate from fr-wiki I'm always having to take off categories like "wikiproject europe articles", and when I translate from de-wiki I need to remove a bunch of "norm data" that is basically our Template:Authority control with extra steps. -- asilvering (talk) 01:10, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231208011000","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Asilvering-20231208011000-Anomie-20231007145900","replies":["c-Jlwoodwa-20240502210100-Asilvering-20231208011000"]}}-->
This is still a problem: CXT is placing articles in Category:Articles with authority control information, which (as a container category) shouldn't have any articles directly placed in it. For reference:
These all have authority control in Wikidata. Maybe CXT should automatically turn Category:Articles with authority control information into {{authority control}}? jlwoodwa (talk) 21:01, 2 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240502210100","author":"Jlwoodwa","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jlwoodwa-20240502210100-Asilvering-20231208011000","replies":[]}}-->
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Extended confirmed restriction

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This page says The English Wikipedia community has restricted article creation by the WMF's semi-automatic content translation tool to extended confirmed users., but that seems to be untrue? There are non-ec users in this list, for example: [1]. -- asilvering (talk) 01:16, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231208011600","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asilvering-20231208011600-Extended_confirmed_restriction","replies":["c-Liu1126-20240311103100-Asilvering-20231208011600"]}}-->

It appears (based on my examination of the recent changes and also Special:AbuseFilter/782) that only directly creating pages in mainspace with the CXT are disallowed (which is technically correct according to the wording: ...restricted article creation...); non-EC users can still translate the page into, well, practically any other namespace (the code in the edit filter only disallows for "page_namespace == 0"). Which doesn't make much sense to me, since autoconfirmed but non-ec editors can circumvent this limitation by simply translating the page into draftspace or their userspace and then moving it into mainspace (although it does leave behind a redirect). Liu1126 (talk) 10:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311103100","author":"Liu1126","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liu1126-20240311103100-Asilvering-20231208011600","replies":["c-Xaosflux-20240311130800-Liu1126-20240311103100"]}}-->
@Liu1126 correct - check the archives above. This is by decision, and another decision was to not actively advertise that workaround. — xaosflux Talk 13:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240311130800","author":"Xaosflux","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Xaosflux-20240311130800-Liu1126-20240311103100","replies":[]}}-->
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Change the criteria

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I think we should change the confirmed restriction from the number of edit to certain bytes edited. That would be more fair to translator. Nguyengiabach1201 (talk) 06:08, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602060800","author":"Nguyengiabach1201","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nguyengiabach1201-20240602060800-Change_the_criteria","replies":["c-Xaosflux-20240602112700-Nguyengiabach1201-20240602060800"]}}-->

@Nguyengiabach1201 we don't have a way to do that automatically. — xaosflux Talk 11:27, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240602112700","author":"Xaosflux","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Xaosflux-20240602112700-Nguyengiabach1201-20240602060800","replies":[]}}-->
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In-progress translation deletion

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In my notifications, I have several notices from three hours ago telling me that I have some CXT translations about to expire and reminding me to publish them. Then, I have notices from 40 minutes ago, saying they've been deleted. Surely we should be giving people more than three hours between notification and removal? Is there something we can do to change this timeframe? -- asilvering (talk) 16:40, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240803164000","author":"Asilvering","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asilvering-20240803164000-In-progress_translation_deletion","replies":[]}}-->