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Three different users asked for this to be relisted, including one delete !voter - why did you clearly ignore us? SportingFlyer T·C 23:15, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212231500","author":"SportingFlyer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SportingFlyer-20241212231500-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Thamir_Muhsin","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241212233800-SportingFlyer-20241212231500","c-BeanieFan11-20241212234700-SportingFlyer-20241212231500"]}}-->

I didn't ignore you. I noted that I would give you a userspace/draftspace copy, allowing you to work on the article and recreate it at your leisure. If you find sources, this gives you the same outcome, without spending more community time; if you don't find sources, likewise. What is the problem, exactly? Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:38, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212233800","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241212233800-SportingFlyer-20241212231500","replies":[]}}-->

• I don't think it is terribly fair ... to leave this open without a clear indication as to why – me, SportingFlyer and one of the delete voters (the others probably would have as well if they had been notified – e.g. GiantSnowman voted delete but said he was confident sources existed) agreed as to why it was fair: to allow us another week to search for sources (plus, we need the details that were in the article, as well as the link to the Arabic Wikipedia article, to be able to appropriately search for sources in the first place). What's so bad with relisting? BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212234700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241212234700-SportingFlyer-20241212231500","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241212235100-BeanieFan11-20241212234700"]}}-->

  Leaving an AfD open is a request for further community input, and therefore consumes community time. That should be reserved for discussions that need input; this one clearly cannot use input right now, because you haven't presented any additional sources. As such, leaving it open isn't a good use of time. Conversely, you are in no way prevented from searching for sources and recreating the article if they are found. Again, what is the problem here? What do you wish to do that you cannot do? Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:51, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212235100","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241212235100-BeanieFan11-20241212234700","replies":["c-BeanieFan11-20241212235700-Vanamonde93-20241212235100"]}}-->

  There isn't a way I can appropriately search for sources without knowing both the details from the article and having the link to the Arabic Wikipedia article on him. BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212235700","author":"BeanieFan11","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BeanieFan11-20241212235700-Vanamonde93-20241212235100","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241213001100-BeanieFan11-20241212235700"]}}-->

  ...which you could have addressed by asking for a draftspace copy, which I had promised to provide. Here it is. And here is the page on ar.wiki. Have at it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 00:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213001100","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241213001100-BeanieFan11-20241212235700","replies":["c-SportingFlyer-20241213002200-Vanamonde93-20241213001100"]}}-->

  I'm off to DRV. This close was astonishing. SportingFlyer T·C 00:22, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213002200","author":"SportingFlyer","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SportingFlyer-20241213002200-Vanamonde93-20241213001100","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241220184600-SportingFlyer-20241213002200"]}}-->

  DRV closure, for the archives. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220184600","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241220184600-SportingFlyer-20241213002200","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, Vanamonde93,

Could you review your closure for this AFD? You closed it with a Keep outcome but I don't see any participants arguing for this result. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219225700","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-20241219225700-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/Rob_Zerban","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241219225800-Liz-20241219225700"]}}-->

@Liz: Thanks for letting me know, I was certain I'd closed it "delete", which is of course the right outcome. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219225800","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241219225800-Liz-20241219225700","replies":[]}}-->

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		Season's Greetings
		When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it." (Text on page 17 illustrated in the frontispiece in Juliana Horatia Ewing's Mary's Meadow and Other Tales of Fields and Flowers, illustrated by Mary Wheelhouse, London: G. Bell and Sons, 1915.) Fowler&fowler«Talk» 04:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223042800","author":"Fowler&fowler","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fowler&fowler-20241223042800-Season's_Greetings","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241223171000-Fowler&fowler-20241223042800"]}}-->

Thanks, Fowler&fowler, and the same to you and yours. A nice choice of image, a reminder of why we do what we do is always a good thing. Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223171000","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241223171000-Fowler&fowler-20241223042800","replies":["c-Fowler&fowler-20241223180300-Vanamonde93-20241223171000"]}}-->

Thanks, in turn, for that discerning reply. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 18:03, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223180300","author":"Fowler&fowler","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Fowler&fowler-20241223180300-Vanamonde93-20241223171000","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Regarding your recent reversion of my edits, could you help in the following:

• 2018 report: Which? The one cited? Then somebody may confirm and say 'A 2018 Mumbai Mirror report'.
  
• He has a controversial history with political leaders: Saying somebody was/is controversial with political leaders is not only weasel and in particular, but quite stylish, isn't it? Although irrelevant, also see WP:CSEC.

I am writing this here and not the article's talk page because I think the tags I added are not that confusing, and specific to address your view. Thanks, ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 18:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223185300","author":"ExclusiveEditor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ExclusiveEditor-20241223185300-Sambhaji_Bhide","replies":["c-ExclusiveEditor-20241223190000-ExclusiveEditor-20241223185300","c-Vanamonde93-20241223190400-ExclusiveEditor-20241223185300"]}}-->

If I am wrong about this, kindly let me know, so I may put this on the article's talk page rather. Regards, ExclusiveEditor _{🔔 Ping Me!} 19:00, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223190000","author":"ExclusiveEditor","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ExclusiveEditor-20241223190000-ExclusiveEditor-20241223185300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Exclusive editor. It was very unclear what your tags were referring to, which is why I removed them. In the first case, yes, clearly it is the Mumbai Mirror report; you could name it, if you like, but there is no ambiguity as to which report is being discussed. As to the second, I've reviewed the source and in my opinion it has no substantive information, so I've removed it entirely. If more details are available elsewhere (perhaps in the article cited in the source I removed?) they may be worth adding. Your tag didn't really address this either, however. It is generally good practice to review a source before tagging a sentence, and in cases such as this one something like {{template:clarify}} will let you explain your concern better. Vanamonde93 (talk) 19:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223190400","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241223190400-ExclusiveEditor-20241223185300","replies":["c-ExclusiveEditor-20241223192400-Vanamonde93-20241223190400"]}}-->

Thanks for the reply. I was about to ask you if I could add a clarification template for the second sentence, regarding which particular politicians he is 'controversial' and that 'being controversial with' is more like a weasel phrase. However it seems you have removed it after checking the source. Regards --ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 19:24, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223192400","author":"ExclusiveEditor","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ExclusiveEditor-20241223192400-Vanamonde93-20241223190400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Vanamonde93. There have been many suspicious IP socks who have attacked me or have made suggestions about me that aren't true because they don't like my content position. They hop IPs and post them over and over on admin talk pages. I'm not Symphony Regalia and I don't have a relation to that user. I don't think it's fair for case to be left open like a fishing expedition when both forms of evidence don't match.

It should be clear by the checks that I'm a different person, and even with three super long posts from suspicious users the evidence is still weak because it isn't true so it feels like a bias to leave it open. Now other editors will interpret it as a call to canvass their friends and "throw stuff at the wall to see what sticks" which isn't fair to me or the other targets. EEpic (talk) 20:20, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223202000","author":"Ethiopian Epic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ethiopian_Epic-20241223202000-SPI_Case_close_and_suspicious_users_casting_aspersions","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241223202700-Ethiopian_Epic-20241223202000"],"displayName":"EEpic"}}-->

@Ethiopian Epic: Leaving that SPI open doesn't directly affect you. If I closed it, another user could add a new report just as easily as they could post more evidence. If these editors choose to post off-topic evidence, they are not immune from investigation and sanction themselves. Vanamonde93 (talk) 20:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223202700","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241223202700-Ethiopian_Epic-20241223202000","replies":["c-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224000900-Vanamonde93-20241223202700"]}}-->

It makes me feel unwelcome it's like aiming a weapon at me for an undetermined amount of time even though an investigation was already conducted. Previous admins have also investigated this 2 or 3 times and they all found there was no merit. One of the people doing it is sock of one of the involved editors abusing proxies to spread lies and tie editors together who have a content view he doesn't like.

https://www.ipqualityscore.com/free-ip-lookup-proxy-vpn-test/lookup/14.192.214.186

Leaving it open even after the investigation will encourage opposing people to come nitpick every little thing they can possibly find which is easy to do among users who have the same content position. If they have to open a new case they will be more inclined to bring evidence with merit. I don't think it's fair treatment. I'm not Symphony and I shouldn't have to go through all of these aspersions from someone using IP socks. EEpic (talk) 00:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224000900","author":"Ethiopian Epic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224000900-Vanamonde93-20241223202700","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241224022500-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224000900"],"displayName":"EEpic"}}-->

It has not been "left open after the investigation", I have asked for more information, which I routinely do at SPI (I did that twice today, as it happens). Please let this matter drop: if there is no evidence against you, no action will be taken, and if there is evidence, closing this report will not prevent it from being analyzed in the future. Empirically, "If they have to open a new case they will be more inclined to bring evidence with merit" is simply not true. Vanamonde93 (talk) 02:25, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224022500","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241224022500-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224000900","replies":["c-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224041100-Vanamonde93-20241224022500"]}}-->

I see, thanks I appreciate the input. EEpic (talk) 04:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241224041100","author":"Ethiopian Epic","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ethiopian_Epic-20241224041100-Vanamonde93-20241224022500","replies":[],"displayName":"EEpic"}}-->

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Hi @Vanamonde93! I have added references to Appa (title), please check it. I always try to find better sources for articles authored by me. I keep learning from experienced editors like you. Thanks a lot !

P.S- _{I respect your views in the Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement discussion. Please tell me what do I need to convince all the respected admins and clear all your doubts. Also please check the sock attack request I made in my comment in the discussion.} PerspicazHistorian (talk) 18:20, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229182000","author":"PerspicazHistorian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PerspicazHistorian-20241229182000-Enforcement_on_PerspicazHistorian","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241229183600-PerspicazHistorian-20241229182000"]}}-->

Hi PerspicazHistorian. I will discuss the sources you provide on the talk page, as is appropriate, but I want to give you some general advice. You cannot write a Wikipedia article by writing a sentence you personally believe to be true, and then typing that sentence into google to look for sources. Not only will you find spurious sources, you will also miss all the sources that don't share that POV. If you want to write an article about "Appa" as a title, you need to find sources that discuss "Appa" as a title. If you don't have such sources, you cannot write that article. This is true everywhere on Wikipedia, but when we are working on complex and contentious topics like caste or linguistics, you need particularly high quality sources, and they need to very explicitly support content that you are adding. Best, Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:36, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241229183600","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241229183600-PerspicazHistorian-20241229182000","replies":["c-98.226.86.66-20250106203500-Vanamonde93-20241229183600"]}}-->

I do not page troll, just happened upon this conversation. I am a former faculty member at a research university, and retired registerd editor here. And to your reply to @User:PerspicazHistorian, I simply say, "amen", let it be so. With regard, 98.226.86.66 (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106203500","author":"98.226.86.66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-98.226.86.66-20250106203500-Vanamonde93-20241229183600","replies":[]}}-->

Have a happy New Year filled with light!

Hi Vanamonde93, Best wishes that the new year brings peace, good health and happiness. Thank you for what you do for the encyclopedia and this community. Image: New Year's Eve Foxfires at the Changing Tree, Oji, Utagawa Hiroshige, woodcut, 1857 Netherzone (talk) 15:27, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231152700","author":"Netherzone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Netherzone-20241231152700-2025","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20241231175800-Netherzone-20241231152700"]}}-->

Thanks, Netherzone, and the same to you and yours! Vanamonde93 (talk) 17:58, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231175800","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20241231175800-Netherzone-20241231152700","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello Vanamonde93:

2024 has wrapped up, and what a full year it was for WikiProject Women in Green! Over the past year, we hosted two edit-a-thons, one themed around women's history and another on women around the world. We also managed to achieve most of our 2024 annual goals, nominating 75 articles for GA, reviewing 64 GA nominations, nominating 8 articles for FAC, peer reviewing 3 articles and reviewing 10 FAC nominations. Excellent work, and thank you to everyone involved!

For 2025 we have a new set of goals for nominations and reviews. In particular, we would like to see more articles on our Hot 100 list being improved and nominated for GA this year. If you take a look at the list and see an article you are interested in contributing to, feel free to add it and yourself to our Hot 100 project discussion. You might even find someone interested in collaborating with you!

This year, as with every year, we hope you will join us in helping improve our coverage of women and women's works on this encyclopedia. Every contribution helps. We'll see you around!

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2024).

Administrator changes

Sennecaster

• Daniel
• Hog Farm

• BozMo
• Ferret
• John M Wolfson
• MaxSem
• Panyd
• Tide rolls
• Titoxd

CheckUser changes

• Daniel
• Elli
• Liz
• ScottishFinnishRadish
• Theleekycauldron

Worm That Turned

Ferret

Oversight changes

• Daniel
• Elli
• Liz
• ScottishFinnishRadish
• Theleekycauldron

Worm That Turned

Guideline and policy news

• Following an RFC, Wikipedia:Notability (species) was adopted as a subject-specific notability guideline.
• A request for comment is open to discuss whether admins should be advised to warn users rather than issue no-warning blocks to those who have posted promotional content outside of article space.

Technical news

• The Nuke feature also now provides links to the userpage of the user whose pages were deleted, and to the pages which were not selected for deletion, after page deletions are queued. This enables easier follow-up admin-actions.

Arbitration

• Following the 2024 Arbitration Committee elections, the following editors have been elected to the Arbitration Committee: CaptainEek, Daniel, Elli, KrakatoaKatie, Liz, Primefac, ScottishFinnishRadish, Theleekycauldron, Worm That Turned.

Miscellaneous

• A New Pages Patrol backlog drive is happening in January 2025 to reduce the number of unreviewed articles and redirects in the new pages feed. Sign up here to participate!

Hi. In your closure of WP:Articles for deletion/Thailand at the Big Four beauty pageants, you probably missed that there's another article bundled in the nomination. Bangladesh at major beauty pageants still has an AfD tag; you might want to undo the close or remove the tag and advise the nominator to start a new discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:57, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106115700","author":"Paul 012","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_012-20250106115700-AfD_closure","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20250106161200-Paul_012-20250106115700"],"displayName":"Paul_012"}}-->

I did miss that, probably because the bundling wasn't formatted right. Thanks. I do think it's best to start a new nomination, though, given that the first page has been deleted and the discussion has seen no substantive participation on the merits. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:12, 6 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106161200","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20250106161200-Paul_012-20250106115700","replies":[]}}-->

For the record, while it doesn't make any difference to the AfD the sources were not "theoretical".. The reason I provided "no evidence of such" was that I am not giving up family time over the holidays to drive through literal floods to hook materials out of storage because someone's gaming the AfD process. And now thanks to your prompt action there's no need to do so anyway. Have a good new year. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 09:50, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107095000","author":"BoomboxTestarossa","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BoomboxTestarossa-20250107095000-AfD_Closure_2","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20250107165600-BoomboxTestarossa-20250107095000"]}}-->

I said "hypothetical", and with respect to evidence presented at AfD, that's exactly what they were. If you had provided evidence of print sources, the AfD would have gone differently. The closing admin cannot accept your assertion that sources exist without evidence. If you want to find sources at your leisure, the article history hasn't been deleted; you could recreate the article with evidence of notability. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107165600","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20250107165600-BoomboxTestarossa-20250107095000","replies":["c-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100700-Vanamonde93-20250107165600"]}}-->

Why on earth would I or anyone else bother doing any further research for the topic when the AfD system is flawed, cliquey and can be gamed so easily? Which is a shame for me personally as I used to really enjoy putting this stuff together until it became clear just how little constructive, collaborative editing is valued. No point when people can just declare sources unreliable, or not read the sources already cited and just judge them on the title, or just slap words into Google and claim that's Before.

As a BTW, whoever 'merged' the article mucked up the infobox placement. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:07, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108100700","author":"BoomboxTestarossa","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100700-Vanamonde93-20250107165600","replies":["c-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100800-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100700"]}}-->

...why am I doing this? Good grief, I need to learn this sort of thing is pointless. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108100800","author":"BoomboxTestarossa","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100800-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100700","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20250108162000-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100800"]}}-->

If you have decided beforehand that the system is not worth participating in, then I agree you shouldn't participate in it. Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108162000","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20250108162000-BoomboxTestarossa-20250108100800","replies":[]}}-->

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