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Nice, thank you! That meant the DYK above from which it was disconnected. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z-Frederic_Blanc","replies":[]}}-->

F. Blanc began so harmless: a teacher of our new conductor, red link, available in German, created there in 2009. LouisAlain translated, was banned (and that was the only reason for AfD), I tried to find better sources, and it was good enough for DYK. I improved Mme Duruflé, - always wanting to do something for the women ;) - Today: an article for a man who suddenly died,Y expand Psalm 29 in memory of Yoninah, being frustrated that I missed the deadline for a culture center which makes a new article necessary, qpq reviews for DYK missing, reviews for PR and FAC overdue, on de-WP two translation projects waiting (one article is already nominated for their DYK, and 1/3 not yet translated, the other is planned to begin 2022), - and now back to this French problem. Can we solve it next year? I would prefer to get calendar pictures ready. New pic inserted here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:59, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T20:59:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T20:59:00.000Z-Frederic_Blanc","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:04:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T20:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey, Gerda! I personally am not worried about the "proxying" so much as the quality of sources. For me the problem is that after checking the sources, I'm not sure it actually is good enough for DYK, and I'm a little surprised experienced DYK reviewers/promoters/admins would have passed it through. The sources are just really iffy. I trust you when you tell me that a particular classical musician is notable, but no experienced DYK worker should have let this article through with those sources. —valereee (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T21:04:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:04:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T20:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T21:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Have you looked at the book that I found when expanding Mme Duruflé (which was after DYK, - I could not mention her because her article was too bad, imagine). The sources are not much different from what we have for current opera singers, - quite normal that opera houses use what an agent provides, but if these are several respected houses it adds to credibility. I find it terribly frustrating to search in a language you don't know enough, which is what LouisAlain was banned for (+ for exploding about the accusations, and yes quite unacceptably so). So: next year? I just hate these tags. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:23, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T21:23:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T21:23:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T21:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did, and I added it to the article as a 'Further reading' section, hoping someone would come along and use it to improve the sourcing. —valereee (talk) 21:25, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T21:25:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:25:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T21:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

"someone" can be me but not anytime soon, as explained - this person is admired as one of few great organ improvisors, and wrote THE book about documents related to a great composer, the base for research about him (Duruflé), - if that doesn't make you notable I really don't know --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T21:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-18T22:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Totally willing to believe he's notable, just need to see the sources added to the article. No deadline on making those additions, I just wish we hadn't put it on the MP with the sourcing it currently has. —valereee (talk) 22:34, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-18T22:34:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T22:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

I don't think I understand English, sometimes. If you believe he's notable, why a notability tag? And finding sources I can't do. I can only add what others find, same as LouisAlain could only translate what's there in German, de:Frederic Blanc, more or less stable for 12 years. - I gave a psalm a start, but need sleep now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T22:50:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:50:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-18T22:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-18T23:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

So neither the fact you believe he's notable, nor the fact I trust you, actually prove notability to any reader who doesn't know either of us. We need to prove it. The only way to do that is to get people to add sources, and one way to encourage those sources be added is to post a tag asking for people to do that. If you object to the notability tag, I have no objection to removing it, but if I come back in six months and find that no one has bothered to try to show notability with RS, I'm quite likely to put it back to see if it can help. —valereee (talk) 23:32, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T23:32:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-18T23:32:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-18T22:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Gerda, because you get 20/120 rounds for the T default sidearm, the Glock-18 (the most underpowered gun in the game). Whereas CT gets 12/24 for the USP-S or 13/52 for the P2000. So, realistically, the only way that I don't have any bullet guy could have expended all his pistol ammo would be if he was bullet drawing on a wall or something. Which is actually a fairly common occurrence. Granted, the Glock-18 does have three-round burst mode, but one basically needs to be touching the enemy for it to connect. Hope that answers your question. Feel free to followup. El_C 23:50, 18 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-18T23:50:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-18T23:50:00.000Z-Frederic_Blanc","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-18T23:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

New day, start over: there was a time in 2009, when a German article was created about a notable organist, improvisor, last student of M-M Duruflé, carrying the legacy of her husband's music and thinking. and documenting it which is a gift to mankind. (We sang his Requiem, written in 1945, in 1999, to end a century of violence, we being singers from Belgium and Germany together, enemies in World War II. On the return trip from Brugge, we went to see a concentration camp.) This article could have just been translated, not a great article but sufficient. At the time, there was no request for sources, as Iridescent pointed out in a recent discussion, sources for every bit of information, - only for contentious material. That changed dramatically, as we see by the tags. Instead, because of the status of the translator, we had an AN thread of proportions (I "proxied" for a translation program, - none of the content was by the banned editor, the content dated back to 2009), a DYK discussion of proportions, and - no end - now this. valereee, did you receive changes in responses to such tags? (I see them linger forever.) Let's take the fact that he began working at the present church in 1999. Does it even matter if it was a few years earlier or later? No question that he is organist there now. I even wanted to listen when in Paris, and take a better pic of the organ), but the church is under restoration ;) - Why would we not trust [1], the site of the Chartres organ competition? (ref 3) where the others probably copied from? [2] confirms the Chartres prize. My article today is for New Year's Day, and another planned for tomorrow, + the jobs mentioned above. - Will adding ref 3 to 1 and 2, and adding the pdf, change things, valereee? I could do that much/little today.

El C, sorry, I don't understand a word this time. Psalm 29: the Hebrew is there! But could you better describe what's the synogogue inscription, for the image caption which will go to the infobox? (I was too tired for lead and ibox last night.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:42, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-18T23:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-19T09:54:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, I'm not sure I understand the question. It's just Psalm 29 (the entire thing) in a really difficult to read font. In answer to your other question: the 3-round burst mode for the Glock-18 really is the stuff of very close-quarters desperation. This in contradistinction to, say, the M16A4 in one of the early CODs (I forget which), which had a 3-round burst mode that was just insanely accurate. I remember picking it as my long gun of choice and just burst-fire dominating servers. The funny thing is that I also remember it being one of the least popular guns in the game. In that sense, much like the AUG/Krieg, it was a superior arm if one took the time to master its much higher skill gradient, which few did (damn kids). In closing: I am da best! El_C 09:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T09:54:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-19T09:54:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T10:02:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T09:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

yes that was the question, I couldn't tell that it was the complete psalm. - I am blind to guns - the last word of the psalm - after a lot of noise - is peace. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T10:02:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T10:02:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T09:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-19T10:10:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T10:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Peace is missing (covered), so the last thing in view reads: "the LORD will bless his people w." And not to worry, I will guide you in the correct use of instruments of death, because I'm smooth that way. El_C 10:10, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T10:10:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-19T10:10:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T10:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

I'm not sure I'm following all of that, but:

• I have myself fixed multiple articles because I stumbled across them and found they had a tag which I knew how to fix. So if you're asking in my experience do tags work, yes.
• The reason we can't trust as a RS the site of the Chartres organ competition is that it appears to be a blog, which typically means no editorial oversight, and it appears to be sourcing to the article subject's own page, so we'd be very cautious what we'd source to it even if it showed evidence of editorial oversight.
• With so much of the sourcing to iffy stuff, I'm having to take another editor's word for it that I shouldn't just AfD that article, which is not the best way for us to work. I shouldn't have to say to myself, "Well, Gerda knows classical music and musicians, and she's trustworthy, so I can be sure she wouldn't have created this article if the subject wasn't notable." I believe this guy is likely notable because it's you who is telling me so. I should be able to believe it because of the sourcing.
• No, adding ref 3 to 1 and 2 won't help because the only ref in the entire article that appears to go to proving notability is the Resmusic one, and that's not enough. I can't know if the PDF helps, as I don't speak German, but maybe? It appears to be about Andre Fleury. Are you saying it's actually about Blanc? Because if he's not covered in it significantly, then no, it doesn't help prove notability. It certainly looks like something that had editorial oversight; what's Bartfloete?

I'm getting ready to get into the car for an all-day drive, so I won't be around for a while. —valereee (talk) 11:46, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T07:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-19T14:01:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z","c-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Pray it away, I swear, I'll never be a saint, no way. My enemy. Pray it away, I swear, I'll never be a saint. El_C 14:01, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T14:01:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-19T14:01:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

I ass-ume https://www.bartfloete.de/...? As keyboardist, I always favoured a Hammond organ with a Leslie overdrive. Sounds like Southern gospel choir. El_C 14:04, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T11:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T15:02:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z","c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

valereee, if the International Organ Competition of Chartres publishes bios of its prize winners, that's not "blog". The international organ scene looks there, and would mind if not true. The pdf supports him winning second prize there, the competition saying so. I really don't have more time today. I'll eventually take are of it, but Christmas to come, and then more travel. Patience please. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:02, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T15:02:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T15:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gerda, those bios are extremely highly likely to be provided by the subjects themselves. That's where bios come from in 99%+ of cases: they're provided by the subject of the bio. No worries on patience, I'm happy to wait months. Just not years. :) —valereee (talk) 23:37, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T15:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

One more question that came to my mind on a short walk: let's imagine we get the English article deleted, then what. We return to the interlanguage link, and "invite" our readers to read it in German, which they will translate, which will take them to about the same content they could have had in English. For whom? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T14:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:41:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

BTW, Merry Christmas, ladies, to you and yours. (I've already had some delicious latkes!) El_C 15:16, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Thank you, and I just sang O come - as on the first Sunday in Advent, on my talk, all stanzas, all ending on "Israel", strong melody. Same for the motet on the Main page, by the Jewish-born composer, christianed Protestant and inspired by Catholic nuns singing in Rome. Still Advent for me ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T16:39:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And happy belated Hanukkah to you, @El C! I hope you had wonderful food and spent time with all your loved ones. I'm getting ready to donate back the tickets to two holiday performances which I'd been much looking forward to. Very bummed, but our ICUs here are above critical and we just don't feel it's responsible. :( —valereee (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:39:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-19T15:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-20T13:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Thanks, it was a nice. Got together, sang some songs (too). Good times was had by all. El_C 13:17, 20 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-20T13:17:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-20T13:17:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Gerda, the other wikipedias have different requirements for sourcing than we do. You must have run across this before. —valereee (talk) 23:41, 19 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-19T23:41:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:41:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-19T16:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-21T22:26:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Sorry, that's not my question. If we will delete Blanc here, our readers will be thrown via interlanguage into the German Wikipedia (as before the English article was created), - is that what we want to do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 21 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-21T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-21T22:26:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-19T23:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-22T12:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-21T22:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

What I'd prefer, and what I hope will happen, is that someone out there who is interested in the subject of classical musicians will go get the book that's now listed for further reading and will be able to use it to improve the article. Or someone who speaks French will find sources in French. That's what the tags are for: to notify people that better sources are needed and encourage someone who knows where to find them to do so.

I don't like to AfD unless I feel pretty confident that there are no sources out there. I did a google search, and it looks like the name is pretty common, which complicates the BEFORE, which for me is already complicated by language and because I'm not expert in the general subject. I've spent quite a bit of time on this already going through and checking the current references, almost none of which are in a language I read, to figure out which might be usable, and I'm still not sure. The German article has only three sources, all of which are in ours, so no, I don't think that's better for the reader. I'd rather just give the sources some time to do their job. There's no urgency. —valereee (talk) 12:37, 22 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-22T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-22T12:37:00.000Z-Gerda_Arendt-2021-12-21T22:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

		Season's Greetings
		Here's wishing you a marvellous holiday and the best of 2022 Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-22T21:43:00.000Z","author":"Fowler&fowler","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Fowler&fowler-2021-12-22T21:43:00.000Z-Season's_Greetings","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-23T11:02:00.000Z-Fowler&fowler-2021-12-22T21:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Fowler&fowler! Best to you, too! —valereee (talk) 11:02, 23 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-23T11:02:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-23T11:02:00.000Z-Fowler&fowler-2021-12-22T21:43:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Hey I'm going to undo the edit I'm adding the sources now you did not give me one second to do so. I'm in the article now please and thank you Godsentme1 (talk) 00:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T00:52:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T00:52:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T00:58:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T00:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Godsentme1, I'm very reluctant to have this kind of stuff in a biography of a living person without sourcing. If you can't get reliable sourcing for this in there with the content, add the sourcing and then the content. There is zero reason the content needs to go in first. —valereee (talk) 00:58, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T00:58:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T00:58:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T00:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:11:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-24T00:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

(talk) The article is in working motion. I've been working on it for hours and you removed my content I don't have a back up. I was adding the sources just as you did that. It's sourced now thanks. Can you help me get it back to where it was it is sourced now.

@Godsentme1, you don't need a backup. Everything is in the history. And no, we aren't adding information about the guy being a drug dealer based on that iffy source. I think you need to stop adding content sourced to crap into that article. —valereee (talk) 01:11, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:11:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:11:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-24T00:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

(talk) Hello the source has editorial oversight. This should be a valid source? explain how it's a crap source?Godsentme1 (talk) 01:18, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:18:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:18:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:19:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Godsentme1, show me the evidence of editorial oversight? —valereee (talk) 01:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:19:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:19:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

https://chilloutradio.com/our-team/ (talk) Not sure if I can post the link but please look it over it has editorial oversight — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsentme1 (talk • contribs) 01:22, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:22:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:22:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:27:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's pretty thin. Godsentme1, here's the concern: we don't know you are who you say you are. I've never heard of Chillout Radio before. The content you're looking to insert is the kind of thing that could cause a living, breathing person real harm. It's the kind of thing we don't add unless the source is excellent, and this source just isn't. It's really iffy. I don't know why you think this is so important to add in when you're in the middle of trying to prove the guy's even notable in the first place, but I'm not comfortable with sourcing "he was a drug dealer" to Chillout Radio. —valereee (talk) 01:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:27:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:27:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

—valereee The guy is notable I just have to plug the information inside the article. He's been played on national radio and remained number one for 4 consecutive weeks on Hartford's kiss 95.7 he is notable we just need to plug the information inside the article. Again chillout radio is a legit source with editorial oversight there is no way around it. They are a trusted source and even have raio apps inside the apple and android app store. Please let me continue to add the correct information no one has any reason to lie and make up claims the source is 1000 percent credible? This is real life information. I even have an archive from the Hamden ct police department where sledge was arrested for Robbery and Larceny anything you see me put in the article is factual information wether it be thin to you or not. Wikipedia terms is that the source have editorial oversight and this site is credible. It's music related and again very credible. Because you never heard of it does not make it a bad iffy crappy source please let me continue to write the factsGodsentme1 (talk) 01:40, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:40:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:40:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:46:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Godsentme1, anything you pull up from the files of the Camden PD would be original research, which we do not use. Please do not add anything negative to this BLP without an unimpeachable source, it won't help prove notability. Quite honestly the way you are behaving is exactly the reason we discourage COI editors from editing directly. I am trying to give you some leeway while the article is at AfD, but your edits are really problematic. —valereee (talk) 01:46, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:46:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T01:46:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:40:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

—valereee I removed the drug claims but how are you giving me leeway I never came here directed you or behaved in a way wrong. You didn't even know the website had oversight and questioned that? I'm not doing anything wrong but enhancing the article with factual info.I never came here with a behavior problem show me where did I show rude or miss behaved?Godsentme1 (talk) 01:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T01:59:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:59:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:09:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Godsentme1, I'm giving you leeway by not blocking you for inserting badly-sourced negative info into a BLP repeatedly. We take this very seriously. —valereee (talk) 02:09, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:09:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:09:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T01:59:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

I'm just asking a question here to better understand you. Not misbehaving just general question you said anything pulled from Hamden police would be original research this link is public from Hamden news daily? https://www.hamdendailynews.com/ArchivesBBBG2006.html Take a look at that link and scroll down to December 15Godsentme1 (talk) 02:08, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:08:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:08:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:14:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

This proves it's true, but not that it's noteworthy and certainly not that he's notable. I'm not sure why you are trying so hard to prove he has a criminal record, but none of this is something we'd use to prove notability, which is the current question at AfD. Why are you focussing so hard on the minutiae of his life instead of trying to find actual proof of notability? The fact he was arrested does not do ANYTHING to help prove he is notable. Thousands of people are arrested every day. They aren't notable. —valereee (talk) 02:14, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:14:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:14:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:08:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

—valereee Thanks for not blocking me. I was not intentionally coming here to do that. You explained it can't be used for negativity and I understood that. Moving forward can this link be used? It's from Hamden News Daily? https://www.hamdendailynews.com/ArchivesBBBG2006.html Just a general questionGodsentme1 (talk) 02:13, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:13:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:13:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:16:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Godsentme1, can it be used for what? To prove he's notable? No. That is the current question we are dealing with. Everything else is trivia right now. —valereee (talk) 02:16, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:16:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:16:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:13:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

—valereee This is a biography and an event that happened. The information about him being notable is going inside the article it's currently being enhanced. I'm not asking the question to make him notable for criminal history. That is not why it's his biography and the events occurred. This has nothing to do with notability. So for biography purposes can I mention about the robbery charge using the link https://www.hamdendailynews.com/ArchivesBBBG2006.html Again I understand that this does not prove notability, this is for biography purpose. It's a true event that happened in the subject life backed by a credible source. Can information be put in the article about that event? I'm asking respectfully. We not chasing notbality right now because we can prove that with the radio played he received nationally. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsentme1 (talk • contribs) 02:23, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:23:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:23:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:34:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, a police blotter in a local newspaper would only be used with caution, so you shouldn't be using it in a BLP to support those multiple sentences I removed. I'm completely confused why you're so focussed on proving the guy has a petty criminal record when the article is at AfD with unanimous delete !votes other than the creator, who has a COI, and a random IP who clearly is at minimum a meatpuppet. —valereee (talk) 02:34, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T02:34:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T02:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Just to educate you a little (talk) the minimum jail time for those crimes alone is 25 years in the state of Connecticut. I wouldn't call that petty. Someone sitting in jail for 25 years would not be petty. Not sure if you knew that but hey I've educated you now so maybe you know now. We learn something new every day. Also the article is AFD'd because the proper information was not in the article the subject has been doing music since 15 and the article was bare and did not have the info he has been nationally on radio again for four consecutive weeks. The article was just a case of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:The_Heymann_Standard and will be fixed shortly. The info proper info will be included. Two I know nothing about a sock puppet or anything of that nature the only account I've made since being here is this one since October. Random IP don't know about that as well. My mother always told me if you have nothing to do with it stay out of the business. So I'm going to stay away from that and wish you the best of luck this holiday cheers:0 to you and yours.Godsentme1 (talk) 03:17, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T03:17:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-24T03:17:00.000Z-AJDaGuru","replies":[]}}-->

Hello everyone, and welcome to the 22nd issue of the Wikipedia Scripts++ Newsletter. This issue will be covering new and updated user scripts from the past seven months (June through December 2021).

Got anything good? Tell us about your new, improved, old, or messed-up script here!

Featured script LuckyRename, by Alexis Jazz, is this month's featured script. LuckyRename makes requesting file moves easier, and automates the many steps in file moving (including automatic replacement of existing usage). Give it a shot! Updated scripts SD0001: hide-reverted-edits has been updated to take into account changes in reversion tools like Twinkle and RedWarn. Writ Keeper: massRollback.js has added a rollback-some option (missed in last issue). ClaudineChionh: SkinSwitcher (a fork and update of Eizen's script) provides an options menu/toolbox/toolbar allowing users to view a given page in MediaWiki's default skins.

Pending requests Mass-patrolling at Special:NewPages Taking up the mantle of an almost completed peer review javascript bot Restore the Wikipedia Citation Tool for Google Books Autohighlighting specific characters (Greek) ...and many more, all available at Wikipedia:User scripts/Requests Miscellaneous Wikipedia:User scripts/Ranking is a sortable table of Wikipedia's thousand-or-so most commonly used scripts; it includes their author, last modification date, installation count, and sometimes a short description. Toolhub is a community managed catalog of software tools used in the Wikimedia movement. Technical volunteers can use Toolhub to document the tools that they create or maintain. All Wikimedians can use Toolhub to search for tools to help with their workflows and to create lists of useful tools to share with others.

New scripts

• Ahecht:
  • draft-sorter sorts AfC drafts by adding WikiProject banners to their talk pages. It supersedes User:Enterprisey/draft-sorter, adding a few features and fixing some bugs.
  • massmove, a modified User:Plastikspork/massmove.js that adds a link to the left column, allows adding and removing both prefixes and suffixes.
  • watchlistcleaner removes missing pages (redlinks), redirects, pages you haven't edited recently, and/or pages you've never edited from your watchlist.
• Awesome Aasim:
  • Infiniscroll adds infinite scrolling to user contributions, page histories, and log pages.
  • Quick create allows for the fast creation of red-linked pages with two clicks.
• Caburum:
  • UTCclock adds a clock displaying the current UTC time.
• Chlod:
  • CopiedTemplateEditor, mainly for CCI case handlers, allows graphically editing a talk page's {{copied}} templates.
• DaxServer:
  • BooksToSfn adds a portlet link in Visual Editor's source mode editing, in main namespace articles or in the user's Sandbox. When clicked, it converts one {{cite book}} inside a <ref>...</ref> tag block into an {{Sfn}}.
• FlightTime:
  • OneClickArchiver is a custom version of User:Technical_13/Scripts/OneClickArchiver which doesn't prepend {{Clear}} to the top of each section on the archive page.
• Jon Harald Søby:
  • diffedit enables editing directly from viewing a diff "when, for instance, you notice a tiny mistake deep into an article, and don't want to edit the entire article and re-find that one line to fix that tiny mistake".
  • warnOnLargeFile warns you if you're about to open a very large file (width/height >10,000px or file size >100 MB) from a file page.
• JPxG:
  • PressPass adds a collection of tools for Newspapers.com including configurable automatic citation generation in five different formats.
  • CurrentSwitcher gives you links on the contribs page to hide duplicate entries, current revisions, rollbacks, huggles, twinkles, and redwarns.
  • TrackSum lets you automatically sum the lengths of tracks in templates like {{track listing}} and get total runtimes.
• Nardog:
  • CopySectLink adds a button to copy the unencoded page title or section path next to each heading.
  • IPAInput allows you to type in IPA symbols by directly looking at an IPA key like Help:IPA/English and clicking on the symbols.
  • TemplatePreviewGuard warns when you try to use "Preview page with this template" with a page that doesn't transclude the template.
• NguoiDungKhongDinhDanh:
  • ContribsTabVector adds "Contributions" and "Statistics" tabs to user and user talk pages on the Vector skin.
  • CopyvioChecker adds a "CopyvioCheck" tab to all pages, except Special (Vector skin only).
  • LiveDiffLink is a version of Equazcion's LiveDiffLink which shows a wikilink instead of a URL.
  • QuickDiff (by OneTwoThreeFall at Fandom) lets you quickly view any diff link on a wiki, whether on Recent Changes, contribs pages, history pages, the diff view itself, or elsewhere. For more information, view its page on Fandom.
• Novem Linguae:
  • DetectSNG scans a list of 1,600 SNG keywords and displays them at the top of the article.
  • NotSoFast highlights recently created articles in the new pages feed, to discourage patrolling them too quickly.
  • UserRightsDiff concisely displays what perm was added or removed when viewing Special:UserRights.
  • VoteCounter displays a rough count of keeps and deletes at XFDs, RFCs, etc.
  • WatchlistAFD automatically watchlists the AFDs of any pages you AFC accept or NPP patrol, to help you calibrate your reviewing.
• P.T.Đ:
  • TwinkleMobile enables Twinkle on mobile view (Minerva skin).
• Qwerfjkl:
  • editRedirect adds a → link after redirects to edit them.
  • RegExTypoFix, a script for fixing typos, is a wrapper for User:Joeytje50/RETF.js.
  • talkback creates links after user talk page links like this: |C|TB (with the first linking to the user's contributions, and the latter giving the option of sending a {{talkback}} notice). It also adds a [copy] link next to section headers.
• Rublov:
  • diff-link shows "copy" links on history and contributions pages that copy an internal link to the diff (e.g., Special:Diff/1026402230) to your clipboard when clicked.
• Rummskartoffel:
  • auto-watchlist-expiry automatically watchlists every page you edit for a user-definable duration (you can still pick a different time using the dropdown, though).
  • generate pings generates the wikitext needed to ping all members of a category, up to 50 editors (the limit defined by MediaWiki).
  • share ExpandTemplates url allows for easy sharing of your inputs to Special:ExpandTemplates. It adds a button that, when clicked, copies a shareable URL to your exact invocation of the page, like this. Other editors do not need to have this script installed in order to access the URL generated.
  • show tag names shows the real names of tags next to their display names in places such as page revision histories or the watchlist.
• Tol:
  • VisualEditor Citation Needed adds a button (under "Insert") in VisualEditor to add a {{citation needed}} tag.
• Venkat TL:
  • ColourContrib color-codes the user contributions page so that pages you've edited last are sharply distinguished from pages where another editor was the last to edit the page.
• Vukky:
  • StatusChanger is a fork of Enterprisey's Status Changer, which adds a UI to the script. (using Morebits, so you'll need to have Twinkle enabled to use it).

All in all, some very neat scripts were written in these last few months. Hoping to see many more in the next issue -- drop us a line on the talk page if you've been writing (or seeing) anything cool and good. Filling in for DannyS712, this has been jp×g. Take care, and merry Christmas! jp×g 07:30, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T07:30:00.000Z","author":"JPxG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JPxG-2021-12-24T07:30:00.000Z-Scripts++_Newsletter_\u2013_Issue_22","replies":[],"displayName":"jp"}}-->

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Elijahandskip (talk) is wishing you a Merry Christmas! This greeting (and season) promotes WikiLove and hopefully this note has made your day a little better. Spread the WikiLove by wishing another user a Merry Christmas, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Happy New Year!

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Elijahandskip, thanks, and Merry Christmas to you! —valereee (talk) 17:00, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-24T17:00:00.000Z-Merry_Christmas_Valereee","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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Hello, Valereee! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 21:52, 24 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-24T21:52:00.000Z","author":"CAPTAIN RAJU","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CAPTAIN_RAJU-2021-12-24T21:52:00.000Z-Merry_Christmas!_2","replies":[]}}-->

Despite our minor dust-up a little while ago, I hope you have a safe and healthy holiday and all the best in the new year. Primergrey (talk) 02:55, 25 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-25T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Primergrey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Primergrey-2021-12-25T02:55:00.000Z-Happy_Holidays!!","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-25T12:07:00.000Z-Primergrey-2021-12-25T02:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

lol I don't even remember a dustup, but happy holidays to you too! :D —valereee (talk) 12:07, 25 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-25T12:07:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-25T12:07:00.000Z-Primergrey-2021-12-25T02:55:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Despite our disagreements Just stoping by to say Happy Holidays to you and yours!Godsentme1 (talk) 06:14, 25 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-25T06:14:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-25T06:14:00.000Z-Happy_Holidays","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-25T12:08:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-25T06:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

And to you, Godsentme1! —valereee (talk) 12:08, 25 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-25T12:08:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-25T12:08:00.000Z-Godsentme1-2021-12-25T06:14:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Thanks I love you and enjoy your Holiday season!Godsentme1 (talk) 23:56, 25 December 2021 (UTC) —valereee__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-25T23:56:00.000Z","author":"Godsentme1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Godsentme1-2021-12-25T23:56:00.000Z-Happy_Holidays","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Your essay at Wikipedia:Should you ask a question at RfA? has very low traffic so I've added a mention to it at Wikipedia:Advice for RfA voters. It now also has a short cut, WP:RFQA, so that you can quickly link to it or link others to it. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:48, 26 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-26T09:48:00.000Z","author":"Kudpung","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kudpung-2021-12-26T09:48:00.000Z-RfA_voters","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-26T10:58:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-12-26T09:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kudpung \u0e01\u0e38\u0e14\u0e1c\u0e36\u0e49\u0e07"}}-->

I saw that, @Kudpung, thanks! And for creating the shortcut, very handy! —valereee (talk) 10:58, 26 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-26T10:58:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-26T10:58:00.000Z-Kudpung-2021-12-26T09:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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Hi, can you take a look at this?[3] The IP editor removes sourced information that I even expanded on afterwards, and has dodged 3RR by using two different IP's. Thanks. --Semsûrî (talk) 13:07, 27 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-27T13:07:00.000Z","author":"Sems\u00fbr\u00ee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sems\u00fbr\u00ee-2021-12-27T13:07:00.000Z-Removal_of_content_and_dodging_3rr","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-27T14:16:00.000Z-Sems\u00fbr\u00ee-2021-12-27T13:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Semsûrî, semi'd for a day to see if we can get them to the article talk. —valereee (talk) 14:16, 27 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-27T14:16:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-27T14:16:00.000Z-Sems\u00fbr\u00ee-2021-12-27T13:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Did you find the answer to this question? I could look but I doubt I'll be able to help.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 22:16, 27 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-27T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Vchimpanzee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vchimpanzee-2021-12-27T22:16:00.000Z-Your_help_desk_question","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-27T22:27:00.000Z-Vchimpanzee-2021-12-27T22:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

I didn't, but it looks like maybe @EEng figured it out. :D —valereee (talk) 22:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-27T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-27T22:27:00.000Z-Vchimpanzee-2021-12-27T22:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-EEng-2021-12-27T22:39:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-27T22:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

I didn't do anything to fix anything, though a few weeks ago I used Wikipedia:One_click_archiving on it (not sure which, though) and it worked fine. EEng 22:39, 27 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-27T22:39:00.000Z","author":"EEng","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-EEng-2021-12-27T22:39:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-27T22:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"E"}}-->

Hey, merry christmas!

Can you please propose this 15 line synopsis first on the Game Changers talk page, as it is unfeasable to reduce it further. It is only 400 words right now. If that is not accepted, a significant section will have to be removed, which is doable, but does not seem effective or consistent for the purposes of a synopsis:

James Wilks suffers an injury and explores the effects of plant-based diets on health, recovery and athletic performance. He discovers that the Roman gladiators were mostly vegetarian and experiences disbelief as this contradicts his knowledge on nutrition. He interviews elite-level athletes who eat a plant-based diet such as Scott Jurek, Patrik Baboumian, Bryant Jennings, and Derrick Morgan who attribute their success to a plant based diet.

Scott Stoll, a team physician for the USA Olympic team and former Olympian argues that animal based protein impedes recovery and athletic performance as it's packaged with inflammatory molecules including Neu5Gc, endotoxins, oxysterols, heterocyclic amines, AGEs, arachidonic acid, and heme iron, as well as inflammatory mediators such as TMAO that cause dysbiosis. He contrasts this with plant-based proteins that are packaged with fiber, vitamin c, antioxidants and phytochemicals which include lycopene, carotenoids, flavanoids and lignans that promote gut microbial diversity, reduce inflammation and optimize recovery and athletic performance.

Several experiments are designed to compare the postprandial effects of grass fed and organic meats versus beans and meat analogues on endothelial function, a process that regulates blood flow. The meals consisting of meat reduced penile function and produced a cloudy plasma demonstrating endothelial dysfunction, which subverts athletic performance. Walter Willett then argues that there is accumulating evidence showing that high consumption of protein from dairy sources is related to a higher risk of prostate cancer.

Terry Mason, Cook County Department of Public Health remarks on the tobacco industry playbook, a combination of strategies that are also employed by the food industry. It embroils hiring researchers to create doubt, confusion, and combat public health messages and incorporating idols such as popular athletes for advertisement. Exponent is named as an example of a social engineering company that repeatedly challenges the health risks from substances such as asbestos, arsenic, mercury, second hand smoking to animal products. David Katz says despite the appearance of confusion in the media, the global consensus of a health promoting diet is a plant-food rich diet.

Rob Bailey, a research director of Energy, Environment, and Resources at Chatham House orates that 3/4ths of all agricultural land are used for livestock production, making it one of the leading drivers of deforestation which imposes a significant cost on biodiversity and habitat destruction, while only providing 34% of the protein and 18% of the calories worldwide. Other scientists cover co2 emissions, the overuse of fresh water, and water pollution by the animal agriculture industry. Finally, Tim Lang encourages reducing meat and dairy consumption, and increasing plant consumption which would improve both public health and environmental health.

Wilks recovers and returns to teaching self defense but with an additional component, internal defense. Armed with the tools of nutrition, he says he now has the tools to protect more lives than ever before.

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I'll propose there. —valereee (talk) 01:27, 28 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-28T01:27:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-28T01:27:00.000Z-RBut-2021-12-28T01:17:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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Thanks for your work on Draft:Black women in the romance industry! I'd appreciate you or someone else looking at articles created for the same WikiEdu course, like:

• Shaybo
• Women in hip-hop in South Africa (tried to do a decent job fixing this one but still needs work)
• Draft:Black women photographers (duplicate at Draft:Black Women Photographers)
• User:Dorian.2x/Women & Hip Hop in the UK
• Draft:Representation of Black Women in Film (duplicate at Draft:Representation of Black women in film)

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@Wizzito, sigh. I literally just this minute moved Black women in the romance industry to article space, and honestly it's pretty shaky still. —valereee (talk) 02:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-28T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-28T02:26:00.000Z-Wizzito-2021-12-28T02:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wizzito-2021-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-28T02:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Yeah, a lot of the stuff for this course was not good (in terms of writing quality), but may be notable as stand-alone topics. wizzito | say hello! 02:28, 28 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-28T02:28:00.000Z","author":"Wizzito","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wizzito-2021-12-28T02:28:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-28T02:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-28T02:38:00.000Z-Wizzito-2021-12-28T02:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think the assignment itself may have been problematic. It seemed to ask people to do synth. —valereee (talk) 02:38, 28 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-28T02:38:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-28T02:38:00.000Z-Wizzito-2021-12-28T02:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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01:47, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

Valereee,
Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.
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Thanks, Abishe! And to you! —valereee (talk) 12:48, 31 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-31T12:48:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-31T12:48:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year,_Valereee!","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

More than the gift, I'm honestly flattered you thought of me :D thanks so much! it really means a lot to me. i gotta go buy some grapes theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/she) 21:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-31T21:05:00.000Z","author":"Theleekycauldron","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theleekycauldron-2021-12-31T21:05:00.000Z-thank_you!","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-31T21:12:00.000Z-Theleekycauldron-2021-12-31T21:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Theleekycauldron, if you peel them first, they go down easier, I understand. :D Best to you! —valereee (talk) 21:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-31T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-31T21:12:00.000Z-Theleekycauldron-2021-12-31T21:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

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On 31 December 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article New Year's food, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that in Spain, it is considered lucky to eat twelve grapes while wearing red underwear received as a gift (pictured) at midnight on New Year's Eve? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/New Year foods. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, New Year's food), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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		Hook update
		Your hook reached 18,657 views (777.4 per hour), making it one of the most viewed hooks of December 2021 – nice work!

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Valereee,
Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia, and a Happy New Year to you and yours! ~~~~

Thank you so much! Wishing you a most happy 2022! And thank for all your hard work and contributions around here. Best wishes! --A.S. Brown (talk) 07:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-31T07:58:00.000Z","author":"A.S. Brown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-A.S._Brown-2021-12-31T07:58:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year","replies":["c-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:35:00.000Z-A.S._Brown-2021-12-31T07:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, A.S. Brown! And to you! —valereee (talk) 14:35, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T14:35:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:35:00.000Z-A.S._Brown-2021-12-31T07:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Hi Valereee, I've reverted a few of your recent moves. I've only reverted the British police shootings because they've all been the subject of job-lot RMs. Also, I'm not sure if you're aware but you referred to as a policy, when the tag at the top of that page describes it as an "explanatory supplement" and the precedents listed there show that consensus is muddled or inconsistent and RMs produce inconsistent results. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:14, 26 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-26T22:14:00.000Z","author":"HJ Mitchell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HJ_Mitchell-2021-12-26T22:14:00.000Z-Shootings","replies":["c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:06:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2021-12-26T22:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"HJ\u00a0Mitchell"}}-->

Whoops, sorry, @HJ Mitchell, I missed seeing this! It's fine, I'm trying to be not-too-bold with it, and honestly if anyone objects, that's good enough for me for now. :) —valereee (talk) 16:06, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:06:00.000Z-HJ_Mitchell-2021-12-26T22:14:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

About 5 years ago, my aunt gave me this novel published in 1997 by an Israeli psychiatrist about a world-wide pandemic and the Orwellian state that's formed as a response (largely led by the WHO). A NY doctor tries to save the day, falls in love, encounters dark forces in the shadows, etc. Anyway, the story takes place in and is titled as... 2020 (link). Damn prophets, leave me be! El_C 19:27, 30 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-30T19:27:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-30T19:27:00.000Z-What_year_is_this_again?","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:20:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T19:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Wow! Was it good? Is there an English translation? —valereee (talk) 20:20, 30 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-30T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:20:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T19:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-30T20:32:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:20:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Yes, it's really good. I've read it multiple times (and it's like +600 pages). No, sadly, no English translation last I checked. El_C 20:32, 30 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-30T20:32:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-30T20:32:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:37:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T20:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Dammit. Why isn't everything in English? ;) —valereee (talk) 20:37, 30 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-30T20:37:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:37:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T20:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2021-12-30T20:45:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Well, England is in English, so there's that. El_C 20:45, 30 December 2021 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-30T20:45:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-El_C-2021-12-30T20:45:00.000Z-Valereee-2021-12-30T20:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T20:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

BTW, looks like Haaretz wrote a piece about it (paywall because they suck): https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.HIGHLIGHT.MAGAZINE-this-israeli-author-wrote-about-the-2020-pandemic-23-years-ago-1.8747689 though they typo'd the date of publication in the subtitle (87 instead of 97) but got it right in the title & body (GG). I also have a vague recollection that my aunt told me that she actually knew her. My aunt has a PhD in pharmacology and was working for Teva at the time, so similar circles I guess. Happy New Year! El_C 14:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z-El_C-2021-12-30T20:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T14:10:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:12:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Found a non-paywall piece by The Times of Israel: https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/prophetic-israeli-sci-fi-novel-from-23-years-ago-predicted-current-pandemic/ — unfrotunately, they reaffirm what I had said above: in Hebrew only now with no translation available yet in English. El_C 14:10, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T14:10:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T14:10:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:00:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:10:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

@El C, I couldn't tell whether you were saying you can get to the Haaretz piece? If so, is there anything in it that could flesh out User:Valereee/Hamutal Shabtai? I can't decide whether it should be at Hamutal Shabtai or at 2020 (novel). —valereee (talk) 16:00, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T16:00:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:00:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T16:11:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:00:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Oh cool! No, I can't circumvent Haaretz's paywall like WaPo or NYT. They mean business (about sucking). Personally, I'd go with a bio over the novel as a target. El_C 16:11, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T16:11:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T16:11:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T16:15:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T16:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

On second thought, I'm not that sure which is the better target. I can see why you're finding it challenging to decide. El_C 16:15, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T16:15:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T16:15:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T16:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:30:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T16:15:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Thanks anyway! I'll ask at resource exchange, those people are amazing. —valereee (talk) 16:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T16:30:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:30:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T16:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Resource request comes through again, and was that worth it! There was a huge amount of biographical info about her in that article! —valereee (talk) 18:09, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T18:09:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:09:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T16:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Looking good! Nice, paywall thwarted (with the power of friendship, I presume). Could you please email me the full text of that piece? I'm curious. El_C 18:24, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-01T18:29:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z","c-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:30:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

Thanks, got the email! El_C 18:29, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T18:29:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-01T18:29:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

On its way! Power of Wikipedia Library plus people at RR who are smarter than I about how to access those databases. Honestly Wikipedia Library and the Resource Request folks are all by themselves worth editing here. Between them and my own lib it is a rare occurrence that I can't get to something. :D —valereee (talk) 18:30, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T18:30:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T18:30:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T18:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Oh, how interesting! Maybe it'll end up getting some new translations! —valereee (talk) 14:12, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T14:12:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:12:00.000Z-El_C-2022-01-01T14:03:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

A token of thanks Hi Valereee! I've nominated you (along with all other active admins) to receive a solstice season gift from the WMF. Talk page stalkers are invited to comment at the nomination. Enjoy! Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} talk ~~~~~

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lol thanks for the nom, Sdkb! That ought to keep the merch giveaway program busy! :D —valereee (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-01T14:27:00.000Z","author":"Valereee","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:27:00.000Z-MediaWiki_message_delivery-2021-12-31T23:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-El_C-2022-01-02T11:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"\u2014valereee"}}-->

Hey, I'm trying to expand my t-shirt selling business, but all my competitors are replicants (probably). Please advise! El_C 11:54, 2 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-02T11:54:00.000Z","author":"El C","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-El_C-2022-01-02T11:54:00.000Z-Valereee-2022-01-01T14:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"El_C"}}-->

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