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A good day to you...I am slightly confused...is it 2 children or 1 child? Infobox says 1 now, text in article says 2? Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 07:54, 28 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228075400","author":"Lectonar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lectonar-20221228075400-Concerning_Alida_Morberg","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20221228103500-Lectonar-20221228075400"]}}-->

@Lectonar Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't notice. The source says one child, so I changed it in the article body as well now. Cheers. TylerBurden (talk) 10:35, 28 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228103500","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20221228103500-Lectonar-20221228075400","replies":[]}}-->

I reverted the changes you made to Spiderr; the label's name is stylised as YEAR0001 everywhere including the pages of members of their roster. InfiniteSwans (talk) 05:35, 30 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221230053500","author":"InfiniteSwans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-InfiniteSwans-20221230053500-Spiderr","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20221230105100-InfiniteSwans-20221230053500"]}}-->

@InfiniteSwans Click on the article you linked, we shouldn't be using two different styles with full caps on Spiderr and without on the Year0001 article itself. But if the full caps is more common, the article can be moved to use it. TylerBurden (talk) 10:51, 30 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221230105100","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20221230105100-InfiniteSwans-20221230053500","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20221230110000-TylerBurden-20221230105100"]}}-->

Update: Just moved it to full caps since it seems to be stylised as such officially. TylerBurden (talk) 11:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221230110000","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20221230110000-TylerBurden-20221230105100","replies":[]}}-->

Wishing you a year filled with prosperity, happiness, and good health. Dr.Pinsky (talk) 12:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230101123500","author":"Dr.Pinsky","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr.Pinsky-20230101123500-Happy_New_Year","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230102113700-Dr.Pinsky-20230101123500"]}}-->

@Dr.Pinsky Thank you for the well wishes, all the same to you. TylerBurden (talk) 11:37, 2 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230102113700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230102113700-Dr.Pinsky-20230101123500","replies":[]}}-->

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I saw you undid the revision that added Northern Germany to the region of the Nordic Bronze Age. Do you think that Northern Germany was not part of it? Ario1234 (talk) 03:27, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209032700","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230209032700-Northern_Germany","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230209033100-Ario1234-20230209032700"]}}-->

@Ario1234 It doesn't really matter what I think, if only some scholars think it was, then that is not definitive enough to be in the infobox. TylerBurden (talk) 03:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209033100","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230209033100-Ario1234-20230209032700","replies":["c-Ario1234-20230209034500-TylerBurden-20230209033100"]}}-->

The map is in the infobox, right? Ario1234 (talk) 03:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209034500","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230209034500-TylerBurden-20230209033100","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230209034800-Ario1234-20230209034500"]}}-->

@Ario1234 I don't see a reference for the map either, so that should probably also be removed as WP:OR. TylerBurden (talk) 03:48, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209034800","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230209034800-Ario1234-20230209034500","replies":["c-Ario1234-20230209041900-TylerBurden-20230209034800"]}}-->

It gives this as the source: Harper Atlas of World History (ed. Vidal-Naquet) in Swedish translation: Atlas över mänsklighetens historia. Ario1234 (talk) 04:19, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209041900","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230209041900-TylerBurden-20230209034800","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230209042400-Ario1234-20230209041900"]}}-->

@Ario1234 Then that would be supported by that author, and I don't really see a reason to place their view above other authors not including Germany in the definition. Perhaps it could be moved to a different part of the article with a caption saying something along the lines of ″a map of the region including northern Germany″. TylerBurden (talk) 04:24, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209042400","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230209042400-Ario1234-20230209041900","replies":["c-Ario1234-20230209051000-TylerBurden-20230209042400"]}}-->

Do any of the sources actually say that it doesn't include Germany?

Helle Vandkilde says: "The core region of the classic Nordic Bronze Age is southern Scandinavia, consisting of Denmark, Schleswig, and Scania. The adjoining northern European lowland in present-day Germany, as well as southern Norway and south-central Sweden, can be considered to be closely associated."

She includes Schleswig in Scandinavia though it's in Germany.

p. 72 https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/history/Ancient%20Europe%208000.B.C%20to%20A.D.1000%20Vol.2.pdf Ario1234 (talk) 05:10, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209051000","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230209051000-TylerBurden-20230209042400","replies":["c-Ario1234-20230209051300-Ario1234-20230209051000"]}}-->

More importantly, Schleswig is counted as a core region of the Nordic Bronze Age. Ario1234 (talk) 05:13, 9 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230209051300","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230209051300-Ario1234-20230209051000","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230210040300-Ario1234-20230209051300"]}}-->

@Ario1234 Maybe the confusion is from the fact that Schleswig used to be controlled by Scandinavians and now is part of modern Germany, either way, if Schleswig is universally included it seems it would be ok to add northern Germany. But then the ″some scholars″ line about it should be changed to avoid confusion. TylerBurden (talk) 04:03, 10 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230210040300","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230210040300-Ario1234-20230209051300","replies":["c-Ario1234-20230210163400-TylerBurden-20230210040300"]}}-->

ok. Ario1234 (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230210163400","author":"Ario1234","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Ario1234-20230210163400-TylerBurden-20230210040300","replies":[]}}-->

The data present in the presentation page of most of the Scandinavian countries are false, this one coming from a dubious source, and being moreover inconsistent with the data of the age pyramid and that of the vital statistics tab, but when I modify some of these data, in this case the one to which I have the most easy access, the fertility rate, the birth rate and the death rate, TylerBurden, delete my modifications and put back old data, so I would like know why? Respublica1810 (talk) 03:03, 14 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230214030300","author":"Respublica1810","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Respublica1810-20230214030300-modification_of_demographic_data_concerning_the_Nordic_countries,","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230214130900-Respublica1810-20230214030300"]}}-->

@Respublica1810 Because you are not being clear with your references. TylerBurden (talk) 13:09, 14 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230214130900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230214130900-Respublica1810-20230214030300","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230214131000-TylerBurden-20230214130900"]}}-->

And this is not just an issue with you, but a general issue on those articles. All the changes need to be easily verifiable. TylerBurden (talk) 13:10, 14 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230214131000","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230214131000-TylerBurden-20230214130900","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I would like to ask why if I try to remove the dot at the end (it is not a complete sentence), an error is generated in the image: "Error: imagemap_no_image". First image. Page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midfielder. JackkBrown (talk) 22:51, 22 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230222225100","author":"JackkBrown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JackkBrown-20230222225100-\"Error:_imagemap_no_image\"","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230222233000-JackkBrown-20230222225100"]}}-->

@JackkBrown When I removed it, it didn't generate any error, so I'm not sure why it didn't work for you. But I saved the edit so that it no longer has a period in the caption. TylerBurden (talk) 23:30, 22 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230222233000","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230222233000-JackkBrown-20230222225100","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Tylerburden. I wish to enquire about the Nordic cross flag page. I saw that you removed 3 flags for "not being the design" on my recent edit. I wish to ask you why you identify these as not being Nordic cross flags, and how you define Nordic cross flags. My definition is a flag with a cross which is off centre to the left (or to the hoist). In my opinion, these flags satify this definition and are therefore Nordic cross flags, but I wish to hear your counter-argument for why they should not be included. TheSecretPower (talk) 11:40, 24 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230224114000","author":"TheSecretPower","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TheSecretPower-20230224114000-Nordic_cross_flags","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230301051200-TheSecretPower-20230224114000"]}}-->

@TheSecretPower Sorry for the slow response, I don't disagree with that definition, the problem is that a flag like the flag of Utsira is so different from the usual Nordic cross flag that I think it's a stretch to include, and the same goes for the others I removed. Of course, if you can find a reliable source that clearly labels them such, then that overrides opinion. See WP:CITE for info on references if you aren't familiar with the process. TylerBurden (talk) 05:12, 1 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230301051200","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230301051200-TheSecretPower-20230224114000","replies":["c-TheSecretPower-20230301210400-TylerBurden-20230301051200"]}}-->

@TylerBurden Hey again. I'll try my best to explain why I think these flags should stay, with considerations what is already included in the article. You may disagree and explain further why they shouldn't be included based on these points.

The flag of Kristiansand should easily be identified as a Nordic cross, it's based from the Danish Dannebrog defaced with the city's crest on a white square. The Danish royal standards have the same style with a different emblem and is present on the article. The flag was granted during the 1600s and is supposedly the oldest city flag in Norway, so I think it has historical significance locally and in the field of vexillology. [1] [2] [3]

The dimensions and specifications of the Forest Finns flag hasn't been published yet, so far all sites only state the meaning and say the description will be published at a later date on "Norsk Skogfinsk Museum". But with or without an official design description I think the flag should be included, the shape on the cross can similarly be seen on the flag of New Milford, Connecticut, which is included in the article.

For Utsira, might be a little unconventional design wise compared to the other Nordic flags. The shape in the flag is called a cross in the official government blazon, it doesn't state that it's should be off centre but the municipal government itself uses a flag with the cross off centre to the hoist side. I'd say the flag of Utsira has more validity than the supposed flag of the Kalmar Union, which doesn't have a clear source for it being a Nordic cross. As the only description of it described it as a red cross on a yellow field, so it could have been any kind of cross flag in reality.

If you wish, and think it would be more productive, we can open a vote on the talk page for the Nordic cross flags article and let the users vote on including them or not. TheSecretPower (talk) 21:04, 1 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230301210400","author":"TheSecretPower","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TheSecretPower-20230301210400-TylerBurden-20230301051200","replies":[]}}-->

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I have noticed you left this reply on the talk page of 3 Löwi about IPs reverting you whenever you revert this editor. I have opened an SPI case here, you can leave a comment there if you wish. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 03:07, 2 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302030700","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mellk-20230302030700-SPI","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230302051000-Mellk-20230302030700"]}}-->

@Mellk Thanks for taking the time to file a report, long overdue honestly. I will mention my own suspicions that I've had for a while. TylerBurden (talk) 05:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302051000","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230302051000-Mellk-20230302030700","replies":[]}}-->

Denmark to Finland? Are you sure? --Coldtrack (talk) 19:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302190100","author":"Coldtrack","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Coldtrack-20230302190100-Nordic_countries","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230307112300-Coldtrack-20230302190100"]}}-->

@Coldtrack Yes, see Nordic countries, Nordic Council, etc. You do not need to be physically next to another country to cooperate with it. TylerBurden (talk) 11:23, 7 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230307112300","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230307112300-Coldtrack-20230302190100","replies":["c-Coldtrack-20230309191300-TylerBurden-20230307112300"]}}-->

Tyler, I feel I should advise you that I intend to revert you, and make even stronger changes to the passage in the process. You've entered straw man territory here, because I have never disputed who the members of the Nordic Council are, and what is considered to be a Nordic country. Fenno-Scandia, or one of its derivative forms, refers to a geographical peninsula. Neither Denamrk's main body on Jutland, its islands nor its possessions Greenland and the Faroes are connected to the peninsula. You had me checking to see if Denmark had sovereignty over a parcel of land that was connected to Finland. Such obscure corners do exist in this world, such as the Bosnian exclave Međurečje, or regions whose sovereignty is shared according to rotational phase. However, I would strongly prefer to arrive at some agreement with you. So Denmark is partnered with its three northern maritime neighbours and collectively they wear the Nordic label, both officialy (Council) and unofficially (plain countries). This is a departure from Fennoscandia. The peninsula of the article now hosts a section of a schism pertaining to the greatest political divide known in our lifetimes. So Denmark is as "Fennoscandian" for its links to Norway-Sweden-Finland as are Belarus and Kazakhstan for their membership of the Customs Union with the country to have sovereignty of the Kola peninsula. Conversely, if you can find a source that claims a link between Denmark and Fennoscandia, then there are two factors: 1) its status as a Nordic country would become inapposite, and 2) talk of a peninsula containing a segment of nortwestern Russia, ie. Fennoscandia, would also be irrelevant. I cannot get any information out of those two listed sources. My proposal is that we remove Denmark altogether. What's yours? --Coldtrack (talk) 19:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230309191300","author":"Coldtrack","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Coldtrack-20230309191300-TylerBurden-20230307112300","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230315012800-Coldtrack-20230309191300"]}}-->

@Coldtrack But by removing the content you did with the edit summary you used, you were essentially saying Finland and Denmark are not more connected than any other two random European countries, which is false. But yes since the article is specifically about Fennoscandia, the easiest option might be to remove Denmark altogether as it is not part of it. It would be better to use the article talk page where others can weigh in. TylerBurden (talk) 01:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230315012800","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230315012800-Coldtrack-20230309191300","replies":["c-Coldtrack-20230317194400-TylerBurden-20230315012800"]}}-->

Definitely the best choice for this particular article. I didn't say Finland and Denmark aren't more connected than "any two random European countries" because I've long given up using the term "Europe". In short, I've come to the realisation there's no such thing. I'm saying nothing bonds Finland with Denmark is any historical, cultural, political, linguistic, ethnic, or any way that might only otherwise be limited to Norway and Sweden. To give you an example, if Lutheran protestantism is the main faith in these countries, they are not alone in this field since Germany joins the party. As you tick off every similarity one by one, you find external matches. --Coldtrack (talk) 19:44, 17 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230317194400","author":"Coldtrack","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Coldtrack-20230317194400-TylerBurden-20230315012800","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for the input. TylerBurden (talk) 20:33, 7 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230307203300","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230307203300-78.145.2.193-20230307203100","replies":["c-78.145.2.193-20230307204300-TylerBurden-20230307203300"]}}-->

Welcomen. 78.145.2.193 (talk) 20:43, 7 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230307204300","author":"78.145.2.193","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-78.145.2.193-20230307204300-TylerBurden-20230307203300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi - I left you a reply at User talk:Gricehead#Update on statistics on Leo Hjelde. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 09:05, 16 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230316090500","author":"Gricehead","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gricehead-20230316090500-Reply_left_at_my_talk_page","replies":[]}}-->

You appear to be engaged in an edit war on Blond. Please use the article's talk page to resolve any content disputes. EvergreenFir (talk) 16:53, 23 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230323165300","author":"EvergreenFir","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EvergreenFir-20230323165300-Blond","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230324183700-EvergreenFir-20230323165300"]}}-->

@EvergreenFir Have responded to the relevant talk page. TylerBurden (talk) 18:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230324183700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230324183700-EvergreenFir-20230323165300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, TylerBurden. Thank you for reverting the edit wherein someone created a user page for me. Would there be any chance you could please remove my user page so I again no longer have one again? As I prefer not to have one at all instead of the blank one that I'm now left with because of the other editor posting that message. A user page is not something I asked for, nor something I want. Helper201 (talk) 07:01, 21 April 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230421070100","author":"Helper201","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Helper201-20230421070100-User_page_creation","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230423114800-Helper201-20230421070100"]}}-->

@Helper201 An administrator could delete it for you maybe, I'm not one so I can't personally do it. TylerBurden (talk) 11:48, 23 April 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230423114800","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230423114800-Helper201-20230421070100","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, TylerBurden. I noticed that you revert my change (User_talk:58.176.11.103).
But please read the Phonemic orthography article. The paragraph each phoneme (meaningful sound) of the language corresponds to exactly one grapheme (independent letter), and each grapheme represents almost exactly one phoneme. This enables an easy spelling and facilitates reading and writing acquisition. The rule of thumb for Finnish orthography is write as you read, read as you write. is essentially what a phonemic orthography is about. May be you are not familiar with linguistics, but is a justifiable change that explains the whole paragraph with a single abstract concept.
No sources are provided in the paragraph at all, so it's unreasonable to revert my change without removing the whole paragraph. 58.176.11.103 (talk) 20:59, 28 April 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230428205900","author":"58.176.11.103","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-58.176.11.103-20230428205900-Regarding_reverted_change","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230502012100-58.176.11.103-20230428205900"]}}-->

All content that might be questioned needs to be verifiable on Wikipedia through references, this is basic policy. On language articles in particular there seems to be a higher than usual rate of WP:OR, which is content added without references backing it up. I have removed plenty of such content, but I am not in a rush to do so in case references are added to support the text. However, changing one unsourced thing to another is not solving that issue. If you'd like to add a source, then you are more than welcome to do so. TylerBurden (talk) 01:21, 2 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230502012100","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230502012100-58.176.11.103-20230428205900","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear TylerBurden,

I know that you have been active in positively contributing to Wikipedia footballing pages – so, I was wondering if you might help me update the Jack Grealish article to make it a good article and include past seasons. If you’re interested, please do tell me as I would very much like to see this page updated to good standards :)

Thank you,

From Scientelensia (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230508132200","author":"Scientelensia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scientelensia-20230508132200-Jack_Grealish?","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230508165300-Scientelensia-20230508132200"]}}-->

@Scientelensia Thanks for the invitation, unfortunately, I simply have too much on my plate at the moment to help. If that changes I'll let you know, and I hope you manage to enlist some people to help you succeed with your goal. TylerBurden (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230508165300","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230508165300-Scientelensia-20230508132200","replies":["c-Scientelensia-20230508165500-TylerBurden-20230508165300"]}}-->

Thanks, sorry 🙏 Scientelensia (talk) 16:55, 8 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230508165500","author":"Scientelensia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Scientelensia-20230508165500-TylerBurden-20230508165300","replies":[]}}-->

Actually, there is a guideline on that, but that guideline simply says either may be used. It appears that the caps were only added recently, so I think it's probably fine that you reverted them in this case. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 02:33, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530023300","author":"Ohnoitsjamie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ohnoitsjamie-20230530023300-Ethnicity_capitalization","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230530023700-Ohnoitsjamie-20230530023300"]}}-->

@Ohnoitsjamie Thanks for the info, yea if either works I'm definitely of the opinion it should just be kept however it was added in the first place be it this or language variety etc. But good to know that the MOS covers it. TylerBurden (talk) 02:37, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530023700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230530023700-Ohnoitsjamie-20230530023300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi TylerBurden, I just wanted to give more context on my recent revert of your bot-assisted edits at Elias Pettersson. As explained in my edit summary, converting YYYY-MM-DD dates to English-language DMY/MDY impedes machine readability and translation efforts. The script creator has been made aware of this issue and asked to address it ([1][2] [3] [4]), and appears to have done so by adding a button to turn off this ability. (I believe, I don't use the script myself.)

I just wanted to let you know and ask you to please be more careful when using this script in the future. Thanks! Wracking ^💬 04:15, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530041500","author":"Wracking","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wracking-20230530041500-Using_WP:MOSNUMscript","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230530105900-Wracking-20230530041500"]}}-->

@Wracking That's the first time I've heard about that, thanks for letting me know. I'll look into that function before continuing to use the script. Thanks again for the detailed explanation, and good work expanding the article! TylerBurden (talk) 10:59, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530105900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230530105900-Wracking-20230530041500","replies":["c-Wracking-20230530121000-TylerBurden-20230530105900"]}}-->

Thanks so much! Wracking ^💬 12:10, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530121000","author":"Wracking","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wracking-20230530121000-TylerBurden-20230530105900","replies":[]}}-->

Hello TylerBurden,

You recently removed an edit that I made in Odin, referencing Neal Gaimon's American Gods as unsourced. First off, The book is a reference to itself. What other work would I have to cite to "prove" that Odin really appears in it? Second, like this comment, the reference included a direct hot link to the lengthy Wikipedia article about the book, which is very well-cited. How is this insufficient verification? It's one click away and has more detail than any citation that I would write. In fact, it's basically the equivalent of a citation that says "See linked Wikipedia article for 'American Gods'". I guess that you don't consider Wikipedia to be a reliable reference.

I don't believe that this kind of over-zealous and pedantic editing is of any benefit to Wikipedia users. I have seen some articles that genuinely could use revision, and your attention would be better focused there. 27.142.113.192 (talk) 05:50, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530055000","author":"27.142.113.192","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-27.142.113.192-20230530055000-Odin_Reversion","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230530105300-27.142.113.192-20230530055000"]}}-->

You're right, Wikipedia is not a reliable source, because it is user generated. WP:NOTSOURCE explains this well. WP:VERIFY would probably also be a good read. TylerBurden (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230530105300","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230530105300-27.142.113.192-20230530055000","replies":[]}}-->

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Thx bot. TylerBurden (talk) 22:48, 4 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230604224800","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230604224800-Qwerfjkl_(bot)-20230604201700","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello Tyler, I just want to say that about the Zlatan page I edited, they were true. Zlatan really did retire, (and I forgot to add sources, sorry about that), and I clearly put that his contract expires in 30 June. It’s okay if you would not want me to edit in Wikipedia anymore. If you want, just block me. Thanks. Joe Mama 2023 (talk) 04:49, 7 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230607044900","author":"Joe Mama 2023","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Joe_Mama_2023-20230607044900-Mistake","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230607161700-Joe_Mama_2023-20230607044900"]}}-->

@Joe Mama 2023 He announced his retirement, which will go into effect on 30 June, so until then he is a contracted player. It is therefore incorrect to add that he is a "former" player until that date. Not an admin and I don't think a block would be necessary at all, you are a new editor and it can be tricky when you first start out editing. TylerBurden (talk) 16:17, 7 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230607161700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230607161700-Joe_Mama_2023-20230607044900","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, you've edited Public holidays in Sweden twice now "fixing" dashes, changing minus sign (-) to en dash (–). With this you have broken the formula to calculate dates, since en dash doesn't minus days in the formula. This results in Error: Invalid time instead of the actual dates. I've had to revert your edits twice, so please watch out in future on that page. Thanks! ~ Ablaze (talk) 05:51, 8 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608055100","author":"Darranc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darranc-20230608055100-fixed_dashes_using_User:Ohconfucius\/dashes.js","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230608171500-Darranc-20230608055100"],"displayName":"Ablaze"}}-->

@Darranc Sorry about that, I'll be more careful. TylerBurden (talk) 17:15, 8 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608171500","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230608171500-Darranc-20230608055100","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I was trying to correct the part of the first customer yesterday and...

actually I know how it was, as I'm the world wide very first paying customer to Koenigsegg signing the contract in 2021.

The first red Koenigeseeg CC8s (VIN #7001), wich I also drove during the supercar really Paris-Monaco 2002, was actually never delivered to a customer but kept as a factory test car, till it was "converted" into a CCR, achieving the world speed records years later.

Please feel free to contact me

+491716434818 and can show you the sales contract from 2001 or pictures from that time or provide other info/proof you my need.

I still own a CCR #7019!

Otherwise please also see www.ownersegg.com

Hope you now correct the wiki info as I suggested 🫠

Best regards

Stephan Reeckmann Skipper9765 (talk) 20:01, 8 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608200100","author":"Skipper9765","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skipper9765-20230608200100-Koenigsegg_models","replies":["c-Skipper9765-20230608200300-Skipper9765-20230608200100"]}}-->

Sorry...ontract signed 2001 not 2021 🤪 Skipper9765 (talk) 20:03, 8 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608200300","author":"Skipper9765","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Skipper9765-20230608200300-Skipper9765-20230608200100","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230608231700-Skipper9765-20230608200300"]}}-->

@Skipper9765 That's great (and cool if true, nice car), but Wikipedia relies on reliable published references to verify such information and establish notability to include content, so while I apprecate if you've got documents to prove it, they aren't really the optimal source for Wikipedia. You can read WP:VERIFY for more information on how this works, and if you are indeed editing about yourself, you should also read WP:COI to avoid potential issues there. Thanks for understanding. TylerBurden (talk) 23:17, 8 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608231700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230608231700-Skipper9765-20230608200300","replies":["c-Skipper9765-20230609065300-TylerBurden-20230608231700"]}}-->

Hi Taylor,

Thx for your quick reply.

Actually there is an official video made and published by Koenigsegg themselves about the Ownertour 2017 you can find at YouTube, in which I'm interviewed "FNZgW3eniO4". There is also an official Koenigsegg book, in which me, Stephan Reeckmann, is mentioned as "the beginning". If you like I can send you pictures too.

Is this the stuff you would need ?

Best regards

Stephan 😎 Skipper9765 (talk) 06:53, 9 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230609065300","author":"Skipper9765","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Skipper9765-20230609065300-TylerBurden-20230608231700","replies":["c-Skipper9765-20230612225000-Skipper9765-20230609065300"]}}-->

Hi Tyler,

Why don't you respond?

Did I do anything wrong?

Please let me send you the proof you need, to change it the correct way about the first Koenigsegg cars !

Stephan Skipper9765 (talk) 22:50, 12 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230612225000","author":"Skipper9765","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Skipper9765-20230612225000-Skipper9765-20230609065300","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230612225500-Skipper9765-20230612225000"]}}-->

@Skipper9765 Hello, I have been off-wiki the past few days and am now catching up on some other work. I have been notified of your emails as well as see your messages here, I will respond to you as soon as I am caught up. From quickly reading through your messages here, the book would probably be the best bet. While I'm busy you could ask for assistance at the WP:TEAHOUSE, experienced editors frequent that place to assist with editing. Otherwise I will check your emails as soon as possible. TylerBurden (talk) 22:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230612225500","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230612225500-Skipper9765-20230612225000","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230613211700-TylerBurden-20230612225500"]}}-->

@Skipper9765 Update: I looked into the video and the information seems to check out since it is published officially, so I added the information to the article. TylerBurden (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613211700","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230613211700-TylerBurden-20230612225500","replies":[]}}-->

You appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the three consecutive reverts you have made on Njörðr. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. It was not until you'd done three reverts that you posted on the talk page. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. --Cornellier (talk) 14:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230617144600","author":"Cornellier","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cornellier-20230617144600-June_2023","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230618043900-Cornellier-20230617144600"]}}-->

It's on you to gain consensus if you want to alter the stable version of an article, what's the point of reviving this 2 week+ old dispute? If you have any policy or guideline backed reasons for your alteration, then bring them up on the article talk page. TylerBurden (talk) 04:39, 18 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230618043900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230618043900-Cornellier-20230617144600","replies":[]}}-->

Hey fellow Northman!

Haha saw the message on IP 209.35.39.169 (Normans) page which is mine. Times I think logged in for certain edits on Mobile but apparently not!

Thanks for the welcome appreciate that!

- Will Roy Knight De Roy (talk) 16:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230619164400","author":"Knight De Roy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Knight_De_Roy-20230619164400-Thanks_for_the_Welcome!","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230620095900-Knight_De_Roy-20230619164400"]}}-->

@Knight De Roy No problem haha, I just saw that the IP address had a lot of good edits coming from it but hadn't been welcomed, so while I figured it may be an experienced editor just in case not I dropped a welcome on it. Keep up the good work! TylerBurden (talk) 09:59, 20 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230620095900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230620095900-Knight_De_Roy-20230619164400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, this is just a friendly note to beware of 3RR on the New Sweden article. We aren't exempt from edit warring except in clear cases of vandalism, sock puppetry, and so on, which this is not. The other user has a pattern of edit warring, most recently on Thirteen Colonies. They'll be at ANI soon if they don't stop. BilCat (talk) 17:06, 21 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230621170600","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BilCat-20230621170600-New_Sweden","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230622094900-BilCat-20230621170600"]}}-->

@BilCat I'm aware of it, the editor in question is not improving the article so should not be allowed to brute force their edits through without consensus. Thank you for restoring the stable version of the article when they continued to edit war. TylerBurden (talk) 09:49, 22 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230622094900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230622094900-BilCat-20230621170600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Tyler,

Regarding this recent revert of yours and its edit summary, 1658 was very much "mid-17th century". Regards, Favonian (talk) 15:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230625154300","author":"Favonian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Favonian-20230625154300-Swedes_on_the_march","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230625154600-Favonian-20230625154300"]}}-->

@Favonian Thanks, I misread it as a century earlier. I self reverted just now. TylerBurden (talk) 15:46, 25 June 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230625154600","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230625154600-Favonian-20230625154300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, why did you revert my edit? What is unsourced? All is sourced in the related articles. Where do you need sources? Jirka.h23 (talk) 18:52, 14 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230814185200","author":"Jirka.h23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jirka.h23-20230814185200-Russia,_space_exploration","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230816135900-Jirka.h23-20230814185200"]}}-->

@Jirka.h23 Wikipedia articles change all the time and aren't considered reliable sources, WP:NOTSOURCE explains this better than I can. Where do you need sources? Well on the articles you add content to. Since you seem to have since restored the content with appropriate references, the issue appears to be resolved. TylerBurden (talk) 13:59, 16 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230816135900","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230816135900-Jirka.h23-20230814185200","replies":[]}}-->

Here is the reference of World War I: World War I... was a major conflict lasting from 1914 to 1918 User:GreatPersonLikeMe 01:35, 22 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230822013500","author":"GreatPersonLikeMe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GreatPersonLikeMe-20230822013500-The_reference_here","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230822191800-GreatPersonLikeMe-20230822013500"],"displayName":"User:GreatPersonLikeMe"}}-->

@GreatPersonLikeMe It doesn't matter, that is not the manual of style. Not to mention you appear to have recently changed that as well, since it previously used "that lasted" stop edit warring about something subjective and focus your effort into making meaningful improvements. TylerBurden (talk) 19:18, 22 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230822191800","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230822191800-GreatPersonLikeMe-20230822013500","replies":[]}}-->

'Very different' you say...yet the tune is the same? Please elaborate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlapsjlaps (talk • contribs) 01:02, 23 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230823010200","author":"Jlapsjlaps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jlapsjlaps-20230823010200-Aland_Islands_anthem","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230823185200-Jlapsjlaps-20230823010200"]}}-->

@Jlapsjlaps It's literally two different tunes, if this is the real one, you should be able to provide an offical source for it. TylerBurden (talk) 18:52, 23 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230823185200","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230823185200-Jlapsjlaps-20230823010200","replies":["c-Jlapsjlaps-20230826213500-TylerBurden-20230823185200"]}}-->

'Literally two different tunes?'

They are 'literally' identical, see sheet music attached here.

What I posted is a MIDI rendition of this tune dedicated to the public domain that I uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Yes, the accompaniment, and instrumental forces are different, as to be expected with a MIDI rendition of a song with a voice. But, if I included a MIDI rendition of the 'Star-Spangled Banner', a citation would not reasonably be needed, it is the Star-Spangled Banner, it is easily verifiable.

(you can read sheet music, right? If not, maybe you shouldn't be moderating articles about anthems. Just saying.) Jlapsjlaps (talk) 21:35, 26 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230826213500","author":"Jlapsjlaps","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jlapsjlaps-20230826213500-TylerBurden-20230823185200","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230829043100-Jlapsjlaps-20230826213500"]}}-->

@Jlapsjlaps Well it's quite simple, if we can WP:VERIFY that you are providing the actual anthem, then there's no issue. If you can't, then it seems the content you want to add fails the verifiability standards in place on Wikipedia. There is no lack of self professed "experts" on Wikipedia who don't think basic referencing policy applies to them, but the site is built upon the idea that readers are able to verify the content they are reading, or in this case hearing. You are not adding a rendition of the Star Spangled Banner to United States, you are adding content which you appear to have created yourself, about an obscure region with a population of around 30,000 people, so that is not a very good comparison, and such content needs referencing.

If you are unable to provide WP:RS that meets Wikipedia standards, then I am sure people will be able to find the anthem elsewhere, there is more to the internet than Wikipedia infoboxes. TylerBurden (talk) 04:31, 29 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829043100","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230829043100-Jlapsjlaps-20230826213500","replies":[]}}-->

Right, but as you will have noticed, I DID indeed provide a reference, but for some reason you say it does not match my MIDI file, perhaps because you did not listen beyond the first 5 seconds. And, 'I am sure people will be able to find the anthem elsewhere'....really? Not very on-brand for Wikipedia, the comprehensive encyclopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jlapsjlaps (talk • contribs) 18:35, 29 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829183500","author":"Jlapsjlaps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jlapsjlaps-20230829183500-Aland_Islands_anthem","replies":["c-TylerBurden-20230829221100-Jlapsjlaps-20230829183500"]}}-->

@Jlapsjlaps Read WP:OR, because that is all you have provided. TylerBurden (talk) 22:11, 29 August 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829221100","author":"TylerBurden","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-TylerBurden-20230829221100-Jlapsjlaps-20230829183500","replies":[]}}-->

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That 'r' ending is related to the cases in Old Norse, it's not part of the base word. If this article was written in Old Norse and Berserk was the subject it would be appropriate it render it as Berserkr, but since this is an English language article about an Old Norse word there's no need to observe Old Norse grammatical rules, therefore you only need to use the base form of the word. - 86.27.183.229 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.27.183.229 (talk) 11:11, 1 September 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230901111100","author":"86.27.183.229","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.27.183.229-20230901111100-Berserker","replies":[]}}-->