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I tried to help you with the reference list and how to write the source. It's not much but I think it will help you. DtwipzBTalk 14:29, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T14:29:00.000Z","author":"Dibyendutwipzbiswas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dibyendutwipzbiswas-2014-12-30T14:29:00.000Z-Article_Draft","replies":["c-Dibyendutwipzbiswas-2014-12-30T15:46:00.000Z-Dibyendutwipzbiswas-2014-12-30T14:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"DtwipzB"}}-->

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Hi, Tim. I promised at the Teahouse to give you a little more specific advice. Here goes.

• It's usually more appropriate to refer to a subject by their last name. This in itself helps change the tone of an article, but it's necessary to keep the article in tune with the rest of Wikipedia.

• I think some of the references will be superfluous. What the guy is notable for is the charity in his name rather than the specifics of his baseball playing career. So the article needs to be refocused around the details of that campaign and its coverage in national media. I will keep some sources in, but they currently dominate the article a little much. A lot of the Trentonian references are routine match reports. One or two help establish him as a player; too many overwhelm the reason he's notable. Less is more: once you have adequate citations in an article, the preference is not to saturate the article with every mention. (Someone else took out a lot of refs, so let's go with that.)

• You will need to give factual detail about his death and why it happened. Avoid using obituary wording such as 'died at his home...' - state the facts drily and, well, coldly. This needs to be a neutrally-worded encyclopaedic article, so in general try not to use journalistic language.

I'll go on with the drafting and save this for now. LouiseS1979 (talk) 20:57, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Lstanley1979","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lstanley1979-2014-12-30T20:57:00.000Z-David_Bachner_article","replies":[],"displayName":"LouiseS1979"}}-->

Additional remarks:

• Never lift language or quotations directly from a source without marking them as such. This is copyright violation and cannot be held on Wikipedia. Always write in your own words. I changed the wording of the biographical detail as it was word-for-word the same as the obituary text. You'll need to find a reference for when he was the newspapers' Player of the Year.

• Articles over a certain length should be sub-divided into sections, with a lead summarising the contents of the article. I've proposed a framework and drafted a lead for you.

• Citations immediately follow punctuation - there is no space between the period and the ref tag.

• This is quite a long task for me and it's quite late at night here (the UK). I'll give it another go and see what I can do, but you need to integrate some of the sources in the long list after the citations into the article. Give priority to national media over local papers as well - the more national media refers to Bachner, the more notable he is and the more you can demonstrate that notability. LouiseS1979 (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Lstanley1979","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lstanley1979-2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z-David_Bachner_article","replies":[],"displayName":"LouiseS1979"}}-->

Additional remarks:

• Your own blog is not a reliable source - it's a self-published source. We need sources which are independent of the subject and also have some form of editorial oversight. The fact it references is sourced anyway - so the blog reference isn't needed.

• Basically, what I've mainly been doing is revising news citations to properly quote the title of the article, the newspaper, the date of publication and the writer. This is a painstaking task but it helps me also check your sources, which seem OK to me. I'm sure someone else can tell both of us if they're not relevant or don't establish notability, but I'm basically helping show you what an article should look like so it doesn't fail on aesthetic grounds.

Basically, it's now quite late here. I have a day off on Thursday for New Year, so if you still need help, let me know, and I'll come back and finish the job I started. I hope you get the gist of what the article needs from these notes - it's a hard art to master, and I don't claim to be an expert, but this is helping me draft articles and copy-edit too, so I'm honoured to be of some help and to work on this with you. I hope I haven't trodden on any toes here by stating some things a bit forcefully, but there are some non-negotiable issues here.

Let me know how you get on. LouiseS1979 (talk) 21:35, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Lstanley1979","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lstanley1979-2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z-David_Bachner_article-1","replies":["c-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-30T23:05:00.000Z-Lstanley1979-2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"LouiseS1979"}}-->

I agree with everything that LouiseS1979 has said. Also, this may sound cold, but I think that the 'Baseball career' section needs to be shortened so as to refocus away from David Bachner's life, which was non-notable for Wikipedia's purposes, and more towards his death and legacy, which precipitated the creation of memorial funds and David becoming an eponym for a Baseball field and being the basis of his notability. Arfæst Ealdwrítere – talk! 23:05, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-30T23:05:00.000Z","author":"Arf\u00e6st Ealdwr\u00edtere","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-30T23:05:00.000Z-Lstanley1979-2014-12-30T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-31T01:43:00.000Z-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-30T23:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Arf\u00e6st Ealdwr\u00edtere \u2013"}}-->

Update, the article is nearly ready to be accepted by my standards. However, there is still a bit more work to be done on the section 'Renaming of baseball field'. That section needs to be reduced into one coherent paragraph rather than the current seven paragraphs. Arfæst Ealdwrítere – talk! 01:43, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-31T01:43:00.000Z","author":"Arf\u00e6st Ealdwr\u00edtere","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-31T01:43:00.000Z-Arf\u00e6st_Ealdwr\u00edtere-2014-12-30T23:05:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Arf\u00e6st Ealdwr\u00edtere \u2013"}}-->

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Thanks for the barnstar. Congratulations on having the article accepted - I'll keep an eye on it for you. LouiseS1979 (talk) 19:14, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-12-31T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Lstanley1979","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lstanley1979-2014-12-31T19:14:00.000Z-Happy_New_Year_TimHitchings!-1","replies":[],"displayName":"LouiseS1979"}}-->

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I've been away from Wikipedia (more or less), distracted by off-wiki events. I seem to recall seeing that the copyvios had been resolved, and if the draft is still pending, I hope that another reviewer addresses it promptly. Again, my apologies for the delay in response. --j⚛e decker^talk 07:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2015-01-04T07:57:00.000Z","author":"Joe Decker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Joe_Decker-2015-01-04T07:57:00.000Z-Sorry_I_missed_your_last_note","replies":[],"displayName":"j\u269be decker"}}-->

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   Diannaa thanks for your feedback.  I've created these pages as instructed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:John_Holl_(writer)/Temp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:John_Holl_(writer) Can you please tell me what else I need to do to correct my article and have the copyright violation removed? Thanks for your patience. TimHitchings (talk) 16:28, 15 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-01-15T16:28:00.000Z","author":"TimHitchings","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TimHitchings-2021-01-15T16:28:00.000Z-Copyright_problem:_Draft:John_Holl_(writer)","replies":[]}}-->

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There is a lot and lots of profile page. Find WP:THREE refs which are WP:SECONDARY and add them in as the first three. Three decent independent book reviews would help for WP:NAUTHOR. Give me a shout when your finished.

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