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On 3 October 2018, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Wilma Mankiller, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Wilma Mankiller faced sexism during her campaign for Deputy Chief of the Cherokee Nation, despite Cherokee society being traditionally matrilineal? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Wilma Mankiller. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Wilma Mankiller), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Alex Shih (talk) 00:01, 3 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Alex Shih","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alex_Shih-2018-10-03T00:01:00.000Z-DYK_for_Wilma_Mankiller","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ángela Acuña Braun you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Vanamonde93 -- Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:22, 4 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-04T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-2018-10-04T18:22:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_\u00c1ngela_Acu\u00f1a_Braun","replies":[]}}-->

Magic wand of eloquence

SusunW, I award you this magic wand in recognition of your eloquence in talkpage discussions, particularly those related to policy. Your clear-thinking and thoughtful commentary are exemplary. I hope this wand furthers your work in positive ways. Rosiestep (talk) 16:56, 3 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T16:56:00.000Z","author":"Rosiestep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rosiestep-2018-10-03T16:56:00.000Z-Magic_wand_of_eloquence","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-03T17:06:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-10-03T16:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

I LOVE this, Rosiestep! Thank you so much. I only wish that it had the ability to break through the barriers of "real communication". I often feel as if no one is hearing anything that I am trying to say. Even though a few do understand and real attempts at communication are made, there's so much 'splaining that keeps us entrenched in the bog. It is exhausting, and yet, I can't seem to stop trying to have civil discussions to improve the encyclopedia and our diversity. SusunW (talk) 17:06, 3 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-03T17:06:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-03T17:06:00.000Z-Rosiestep-2018-10-03T16:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ritchie333-2018-10-04T23:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-03T17:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are focused on the right thing Susun, and your civil discourse is very much appreciated. After all, is that not how humankind has progressed? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 23:53, 4 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-04T23:53:00.000Z","author":"Ritchie333","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ritchie333-2018-10-04T23:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-03T17:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-04T23:58:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-10-04T23:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Rtichie333, I really do try. SusunW (talk) 23:58, 4 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-04T23:58:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-04T23:58:00.000Z-Ritchie333-2018-10-04T23:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, just wanted to send lots of thanks for your work on Loukia Nicolaidou, the sources that you found will probably make my life much easier when working on Cypriot art biographies in the future (my work tends to be based on Turkish Wikipedia nowadays but nonetheless). I don't know how active I'll have the chance to be during this month's editathon, but just wanted to drop these two sources on Cypriot women artists with juicy biographies just waiting to be extracted. Regards. --GGT (talk) 00:20, 5 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-05T00:20:00.000Z","author":"GGT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GGT-2018-10-05T00:20:00.000Z-Loukia_Nicolaidou","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-05T00:27:00.000Z-GGT-2018-10-05T00:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oooh, very cool. Thank you GGT I thought I might peruse both Petrides and Photiou for some of the other women the listed. Now I have two more sources :). Lots more that could be written on her if we had access to the bio by Nikita or the article in Cyprus To-day, but alas, from Mexico, impossible to obtain. SusunW (talk) 00:27, 5 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-05T00:27:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-05T00:27:00.000Z-GGT-2018-10-05T00:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-GGT-2018-10-05T00:52:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-05T00:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm based in the UK at the moment, so pretty impossible for me to obtain now as well unfortunately. If you feel like working on any of the Turkish Cypriot ones in particular (that's because I actually don't know much Greek so...), feel free to drop me a message: I have an encyclopedic dictionary of Turkish Cypriot writers and artists at hand (in Turkish) and can also browse through the digitised newspaper archives of the Turkish Cypriot parliament to see if there is anything (it really helped me in writing this one). --GGT (talk) 00:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-05T00:52:00.000Z","author":"GGT","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-GGT-2018-10-05T00:52:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-05T00:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

SusunW Here's a perfect case study on what is wrong with the notability guidelines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Lightner_Hopf --remade from declined AfC draft and tagged lacking 'notability' within two days. She was African-American female sci-fi writer from the 1960s . AugusteBlanqui (talk) 06:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-08T06:52:00.000Z","author":"AugusteBlanqui","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AugusteBlanqui-2018-10-08T06:52:00.000Z-Alice_Lightner_Hopf","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:52:00.000Z-AugusteBlanqui-2018-10-08T06:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

AugusteBlanqui This one is easily fixed. I do not know if you are aware of Women in Red's Primer, but the first thing needed is to make a strong lede, stating why she is notable. I searched archive.org and found this book, which you can check out if you sign up. It states that her non-fiction series on animals and birds written between 1971 and 1981 received awards from the National Science Teachers Association. While it would be great if you had notices of the actual awards, this confirms notability as a textbook writer. This is interesting as it says she may have followed a trend at the time in her science fiction writing to disguise her gender to appeal to a wider audience. This says her book Misunderstood Animals won an award. Frustrating that it doesn't say what, but I'll try to find something. If you want me to collaborate with you, I'll be glad to, but I do not want to assume you need my help for writing it. Simply writing a strong lede and moving the rest of the information into the bio will make her notability clear. SusunW (talk) 14:52, 8 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-08T14:52:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:52:00.000Z-AugusteBlanqui-2018-10-08T06:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bingo! In 1972 she won an award from the NSTA for Biography of a Rhino and the following year for Misunderstood Animals.p 977 SusunW (talk) 14:57, 8 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-08T14:57:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:57:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-08T15:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

To your point that she definitely shows how the guidelines work against marginalized people, you are correct because there is no substantial biography of her; however, beefing up the lede and adding sources from 3 biblographic compendiums on contemporary authors makes it very clear that she was significant to the compilers for her period. I have few doubts that if the article were taken to AfD, it would be kept. SusunW (talk) 15:10, 8 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-08T15:10:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-08T15:10:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T14:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2018-10-10T19:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T15:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

AugusteBlanqui As it has been several days and I have not seen you make edits to the file, I will add the information and remove the notability tag. SusunW (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2018 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2018-10-10T19:58:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2018-10-10T19:58:00.000Z-SusunW-2018-10-08T15:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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