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On 19 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Gold wreaths from Thrace, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a golden wreath (pictured) found in 2005 in the tomb of a Thracian ruler in Southeastern Bulgaria was dated to the mid-4th century BC? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Gold wreaths from Thrace), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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On 19 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Marianne Appel, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Marianne Appel, a WPA post office muralist, was later a Muppet designer for the The Jim Henson Company? You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Marianne Appel), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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I uncovered some plagiarism at the William Jefferson Clinton Federal Building article. The whole Mural section is a copy and paste of the mural section here. What to do...how to proceed? Should I immediately remove upon discovery or bring the issue up at the talk page or just re-write the whole section? Having had the "plagiarist" label attached to some of my early muralist articles, and to me, I'm a little unsure as to how to proceed. 6 months later and my "discoverer" still strongly curses my well-intended editing mistakes as blatant acts of the worst kind. I'd like this discovery that I made to be a little kinder and gentler...more collaborative and not so adversarial.... a better example of how to handle the situation. Any advice is appreciated. See Rainey Bennett's history for some background. Not fun...almost left WP. Buster Seven Talk 12:51, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T12:51:00.000Z","author":"Buster7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Buster7-2016-05-21T12:51:00.000Z-Plagiarism","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-05-21T14:23:00.000Z-Buster7-2016-05-21T12:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Buster Seven"}}-->

Buster7 I would say that if you discovered it you should correct it. In the edit summary explain why you corrected it. No discussion on the talk page is needed, as copyvio is against WP policy and requires immediate rectification. SusunW (talk) 14:23, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T14:23:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-05-21T14:23:00.000Z-Buster7-2016-05-21T12:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Buster7-2016-05-21T16:49:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T14:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done TY. Buster Seven Talk 16:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T16:49:00.000Z","author":"Buster7","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Buster7-2016-05-21T16:49:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T14:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Buster Seven"}}-->

On the other hand - a source which states clearly "This article was sourced from Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply" rather suggests it was that source which "plagiarized" Wikipedia rather than the reverse. Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_185#World_Heritage_Encyclopedia is exceedingly clear - false accusations of plagiarism help no one at all. Click on the "citational source" link on that source page and have a laugh or two. Collect (talk) 17:49, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T17:49:00.000Z","author":"Collect","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Collect-2016-05-21T17:49:00.000Z-Plagiarism","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z-Collect-2016-05-21T17:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am well aware that World Heritage Encyclopedia is a mirror site, but the issue, IMO, with the citation was that the source document stated nothing about the number of murals at the building nor any of the information the citation was supposedly supporting. My review of the material indicated that it was almost word for word of this too. Far better to eliminate potential copyvios than have them stand. SusunW (talk) 18:01, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z-Collect-2016-05-21T17:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Collect-2016-05-21T23:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z","c-Collect-2016-05-21T23:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

True. I was just concerned about false positives I kept finding with Earwig's tool, where I have given him around a dozen "false positive" sites to add to the exclusion list. I fear I have been exceedingly careful to avoid "false positives" when I have found problems. Thank you. Collect (talk) 23:18, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Collect","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Collect-2016-05-21T23:18:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

[1] has the credit: "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariel_Rios_Federal_Building#Murals" - i.e. the other source is still Wikipedia. Sigh. Collect (talk) 23:22, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T23:22:00.000Z","author":"Collect","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Collect-2016-05-21T23:22:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-05-21T18:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-05-21T23:59:00.000Z-Collect-2016-05-21T23:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

The Living New Deal article was a reference to "The New Deal: A 75th Anniversary Celebration" (which I cannot access) and text that existed in the WP article before it was transferred from Ariel Rios on 13 May 2013‎. The link pointing to that text was dead [2] at least by 2009 per wayback. Thus the 9 June 2015 edit adding the text was after the fact. I didn't pick it up from earwig, I googled the phrase because I did not see the numbers of murals in the source cited. Fortunately, the text is now removed, since there was not a valid citation. SusunW (talk) 23:59, 21 May 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-05-21T23:59:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-05-21T23:59:00.000Z-Collect-2016-05-21T23:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 23 May 2016, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Ethel V. Ashton, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Ethel V. Ashton's 1941 post office mural at Tunkhannock, Pennsylvania was featured in a 2009 documentary? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Ethel V. Ashton. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Ethel V. Ashton), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

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You may like to read this article Castle of Pambre and add from Spanish sources. Thanks.--Nvvchar. 06:20, 10 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-10T06:20:00.000Z","author":"Nvvchar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nvvchar-2016-06-10T06:20:00.000Z-Castle_of_Pambre","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-06-13T05:32:00.000Z-Nvvchar-2016-06-10T06:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

nvvchar I am traveling and have limited internet time until July 1st. SusunW (talk) 05:32, 13 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-13T05:32:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-06-13T05:32:00.000Z-Nvvchar-2016-06-10T06:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Yes, I noticed. You know what and where. Good job, pointing out "it's the guidelines". FeatherPluma (talk) 23:41, 26 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-26T23:41:00.000Z","author":"FeatherPluma","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FeatherPluma-2016-06-26T23:41:00.000Z-Nicely_worded","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I followed here from Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement and I am reaching out for an opinion; as the member of the project, I hope could provide input on the topics of sourcing, neutrality, extraordinary claims, and level of detail in the articles, as well as general Wikipedia policies.

It has been suggested to me by editor Coretheapple in the Discussion area of a current GA reassessment that the review be brought to the attention of a wider audience. The issues above are included in the review, so I hope there's enough of a cross-functional applicability. The article in question is Hyacinth Graf Strachwitz; no specialist knowledge is required to be able to contributed to the GAR.

I would welcome feedback or a review of the article to see if it still meets Wikipedia:Good article criteria and whether it should be retained or delisted as a Good article. I would also welcome any feedback you'd be willing to share. Thank you and happy editing. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:54, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T07:54:00.000Z","author":"K.e.coffman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-K.e.coffman-2016-06-27T07:54:00.000Z-GAR_input_sought","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:14:00.000Z-K.e.coffman-2016-06-27T07:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

• K.e.coffman I am just returning home after a month-long hiatus abroad. Will gradually work my way back into WP but for now, my time is limited as we must get our home back in order. Wishing you luck with the article. SusunW (talk) 14:14, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T14:14:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:14:00.000Z-K.e.coffman-2016-06-27T07:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hope you enjoyed your trip!♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:37, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T08:37:00.000Z-Welcome_back!","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-06-27T12:12:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T08:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Dr. Blofeld we had a lovely time until the return flight and I caught a cold. Much better to be sick at home. Slowly unpacking and slowly getting back in to the swing of things. Read the idea for Women in Green. You know I support it. Will be glad to work some of them, but need to evaluate who. SusunW (talk) 12:12, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T12:12:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-06-27T12:12:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T08:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Where did you go? I've begun working on a draft for Audrey Hepburn!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:09, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z-Welcome_back!","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z","c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:13:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Dr. Blofeld Rome, Venice, Monfalcone, Zagreb, Budapest, Krakow, Auschwitz, Prague, Berlin and Paris. It was awesome! I think we may make this an annual thing, to leave Merida during the hottest months (May/June) and travel for a month. :) SusunW (talk) 14:11, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T14:11:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Lovely, I love the Adriatic in particular!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:13, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T14:13:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:13:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:29:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Dr. Blofeld Probably on our next European adventure we will do the Balkans, though I think maybe next year will be south. Uruguay is a strong possibility, if I don't think it is too cold ;) SusunW (talk) 14:29, 27 June 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-06-27T14:29:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-06-27T14:29:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-06-27T14:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Congratulations! It is splendid. I feel like Johnny Appleseed. I could not have imagined a year ago that my idea of collecting "red women muralists" would result in such a rewarding project. Buster Seven Talk 20:58, 1 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-01T20:58:00.000Z","author":"Buster7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Buster7-2016-07-01T20:58:00.000Z-Edith_Mahier","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-01T21:07:00.000Z-Buster7-2016-07-01T20:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Buster Seven"}}-->

Buster7 It's funny, because I was working on Susie Peters for the Hall of Fame editathon and ran across Mahier's name. Jacobson seems to be the one who has gotten most of the attention for the Kiowa Six, but Peters discovered them and Mahier was their coach. Jacobson marketed them. Seems to me like all three were part of the group that propelled the talented artists into fame. Now back to searching for that book I need on Peters. *sigh* SusunW (talk) 21:07, 1 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-01T21:07:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-01T21:07:00.000Z-Buster7-2016-07-01T20:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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a sentence about Verona Burkhard and her mural at the United States Post Office (Powell, Wyoming). Do you know enough about her to turn her link blue? Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 18:23, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T18:23:00.000Z-I_just_added","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-22T18:31:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T18:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Carptrash I am working on an article for her now, which is how I discovered the error on the Powell mural. :) Probably won't finish it today, but I'll have it in a few days for sure. SusunW (talk) 18:31, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T18:31:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-22T18:31:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T18:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T19:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have a sketched out stub that I could start now or wait for yours and then add to it? Do you have a preference? Carptrash (talk) 19:54, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T19:54:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T19:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T18:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-22T20:06:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T19:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Carptrash mine is way more than a stub. User:SusunW/Verona Burkhard SusunW (talk) 20:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T20:06:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-22T20:06:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T19:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T20:08:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T20:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good. I'll wait. Carptrash (talk) 20:08, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T20:08:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T20:08:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T20:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:37:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T20:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

However my apparent need to create a stub was too strong, so I did one for her grandfather, Giovanni Turini. Carptrash (talk) 21:37, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T21:37:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:37:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T20:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:40:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Carptrash VERY COOL! I had linked to his Italian article and there is an article with a tiny bit of info on him I referenced in hers. I just took her live. Give me about 15 minutes to finish with WProjects and a fair use image and you can do whatever you want to her. SusunW (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T21:40:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:40:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

What I want with her is for you to take your time and create the best possible article - which you just did. Well done.Carptrash (talk) 21:53, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T21:53:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:57:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Carptrash Well...there are still some missing things. What happened to those immigration murals? What about the one at St. Mary's Hospital, she talks about in the interview--WHICH NYC hospital by that name is she talking about? THIS says there were obits in the Grand Junction Daily Sentinel page 3C - July 18, 2004 and Grand Junction Free Press page 8 - July 19, 2004, which also might give info that I don't have access to. *sigh* I will add it to the women's list and maybe someone will find that stuff. :) SusunW (talk) 21:57, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T21:57:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:57:00.000Z-Carptrash-2016-07-22T21:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T22:11:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

"We are", someone once said, "eternal beings, which means that we will never get it all done." Kinda works for wikipedia too. Anyway, very good article.Carptrash (talk) 22:11, 22 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-22T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Carptrash-2016-07-22T22:11:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-22T21:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

SusunW and Carptrash I just want to say how thrilled and blessed I feel that we (wikipedia editors) have found each other. The challenge (to create as many quality article for women as possible) is immense... but the focus and the goal and the "I can do this" feeling is the reward. My time at WP now has value. Buster Seven Talk 12:33, 23 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-23T12:33:00.000Z","author":"Buster7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Buster7-2016-07-23T12:33:00.000Z-I_just_added","replies":[],"displayName":"Buster Seven"}}-->

I'm not sure I positioned this in the article as well as I could. Could you check Beulah Bettersworth? Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 19:52, 23 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-23T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Adam Cuerden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T19:52:00.000Z-File:Christopher_Street,_Greenwich_Village_by_Beulah_R._Bettersworth.jpg","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-23T19:59:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T19:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

OMG, OMG, OMG! I LOVE it! Thank you Adam Cuerden. Would that we had a picture of her, but having her work is as important for an artist. SusunW (talk) 19:59, 23 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-23T19:59:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-23T19:59:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T19:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T20:05:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-23T19:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries! It's not quite large enough to be promoted to featured picture, but it's still very valuable. I'm currently doing detective work on Leah Balsham. She has a drawing of a black (presumably African-American) Yum-Yum from the Mikado in 1938, the same year the WPA Swing Mikado premiered. I can't imagine they aren't connected. Adam Cuerden ^(talk) 20:05, 23 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-23T20:05:00.000Z","author":"Adam Cuerden","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T20:05:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-23T19:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-23T20:42:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T20:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, for me, the hunt is a big part of the excitement ;) Good luck! While you are searching, if you come across post office mural photos in the LOC collection, they would be very much appreciated. As you can see List of United States post office murals we are missing most of them. SusunW (talk) 20:42, 23 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-23T20:42:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-23T20:42:00.000Z-Adam_Cuerden-2016-07-23T20:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Susun, please let me know which of your articles have not been added to Wikidata. I can easily add them for you and make sure your biographies are included in the metrics.--Ipigott (talk) 10:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T10:44:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ipigott-2016-07-29T10:44:00.000Z-Wikidata_entries","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-29T14:43:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-07-29T10:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott I am now totally frustrated. Loaded the gadget. Typed in dob, dod, places, profession, and basic info on Marion Gilmore and hit save. Message came up and said unable to save and all my work is lost and must now be re-entered. This format is certainly easier than wikidata but if it won't save the info it doesn't save me any time. Grrrrrrrrr. I'll try it again later. If I cannot figure it out, I'll leave you a list. For now I am frustrated, but I truly appreciate your offer of help. SusunW (talk) 14:43, 29 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T14:43:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-29T14:43:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-07-29T10:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ipigott-2016-07-29T15:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T14:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Don't worry. It takes a bit of getting used to. I had the same problems when I started. You are probably trying to add too much at the same time. Try adding details in stages. I usually start with the basic description and female. I then save that. Then I add dates and places of birth and death - and save. Then I add details under profession and save. I often experienced problems with birth name, etc., and so no longer add details there. Let me know how you get on adding a few details at a time. It would be fun to work together on trying to have the system improved. There still seem to be a number of bugs but it is far easier than using Wikidata directly. By the way, I mentioned the gadget several times on the main WiR talk page and also included it on the main page under announcements but never had any reactions from anyone. (P.S. I wonder why you object to "female" rather than "woman". Seems OK to me.)--Ipigott (talk) 15:25, 29 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T15:25:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ipigott-2016-07-29T15:25:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T14:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:06:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-07-29T15:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott I noticed it was posted in June, which is possibly why I missed it, though I don't seem to get all notices on WiR posts. And thanks for the tip. I'll try a few bits at a time because, yes, I input all the data at once. P.S. reply ... Woman is the term for a female human. Female can refer to any species whatsoever. My natural assumption, if we are writing biographies, is that the subject matter is human. SusunW (talk) 16:06, 29 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T16:06:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:06:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-07-29T15:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ipigott Jumping for joy! I figured it out! AND to input birth name, which is critical info on many women, before the | i.e. on the left side of the | you have to input the language code, like en|Jane Doe. SusunW (talk) 16:54, 29 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-29T16:54:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-07-30T15:23:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Glad to hear you've got it to work. Now you can be sure your articles are counted by the Wikidata metrics system. If you have managed to use it, perhaps Rosiestep, Megalibrarygirl and others could be persuaded to try it out too. In regard to female, when I was at school, gender was always either male or female rather than man or woman. It still bothers me somewhat to have all those Wikipedia categories such as women academics, women architects, women artists, etc., rather than their "female" equivalents. (For me, a woman expert would be an expert on women rather than a woman who is an expert.) The adjectival use of woman (or would that be its use as an attributive noun?) still seems unnatural to me but I see from this that its usuage goes right back to Dryden! Google turns up 553,000 hits on "woman president" as compared to 469,000 on "female president". By contrast, there are far, far more hits on "female executive" than on "woman executive" and twice as many on "female prime minister" as on "woman prime minister". So the evolving trend seems to be more American than British. But as Wikipedia is American and as women Wikipedians seem to be among the main proponents of its increased usage, I'll go along with it too. What about all those "female" categories under Category:Women by occupation? Perhaps the topic deserves further discussion, guidelines, or even a Wikipedia article?--

Ipigott Maybe it is an American thing, but it is made pretty clear in the The American Heritage Guide to Contemporary Usage and Style. Last month someone was reverting a bunch of woman categories to female categories, and then it reverted back here. Clearly, from the discussion, it is something that has come up repeatedly and possibly should be addressed. SusunW (talk) 15:23, 30 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-30T15:23:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-07-30T15:23:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-07-29T16:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Category:Oklahoma Women's Hall of Fame, which you created, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 02:32, 30 July 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-07-30T02:32:00.000Z","author":"RevelationDirect","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RevelationDirect-2016-07-30T02:32:00.000Z-Category:Oklahoma_Women's_Hall_of_Fame_has_been_nominated_for_discussion","replies":["c-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z-RevelationDirect-2016-07-30T02:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

In connection with this item, I thought I should put theory into practice by contributing an article on one more women from the OK Women's Hall of Fame. You might like to look at June Tompkins Benson and make sure I haven't committed any major goofs, unfamiliar as I am with Oklahoma's geography and history. (As far as I can see, Benson did not receive any honors during her lifetime which coincide with other Wikipedia categories.) I'm glad to see the category discussion seems to be progressing more or less in the right direction. Sometimes the acceptance rules developed by those who consider themselves to be experts fail to recognize far more important reasons for developing a series of categories. It would be ridiculous if all 38 Women's Halls of Fame categories were to be deleted and all 32 women in the OK HoF were to lose the category which so clearly groups them. Fortunately, we also have backup in the OK template and list but many people navigate on categories alone (as I often do when investigating biographies in other wiki languages).--Ipigott (talk) 10:06, 1 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z-RevelationDirect-2016-07-30T02:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-01T15:36:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z","c-Montanabw-2016-08-02T04:19:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

The article is fine. (I lived in Norman for 13 years, though I grew up on the eastern side of the state.) And you are right, she perfectly defines someone who meets the need for the category. Like others who fit this scenario, someone who had local fame and made it to the state level (and even some who had national involvement), but not someone who either was a household name or a wide recognition until they were brought into the light by induction into the HoF. Clearly her notability was enhanced by her induction into the hall and not vice verse. SusunW (talk) 15:36, 1 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-01T15:36:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-01T15:36:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The deletionists are on a total tear right now. I am getting pretty fatigued dealing with their nonsense and may have to triage. Nominating that article if Keilana's was about the last straw! Montanabw^(talk) 04:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-02T04:19:00.000Z","author":"Montanabw","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Montanabw-2016-08-02T04:19:00.000Z-Ipigott-2016-08-01T10:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello SusunW, My name is Stephanie Barker and I am a student at the University of Colorado Boulder. I am currently enrolled in a Digital Anthropology class, which attempts to answer how the digital world affects culture and how culture affects the digital world. For my final project I am doing an ethnography on women Wikipedia users and as a member of the WikiProject Women page I was hoping I could ask you some questions about your experiences editing Wikipedia pages. 1. Have you ever been locked into an intense editing war? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 2. How did you become interested in editing Wikipedia pages and did you have any initial fears/hesitations when you started editing pages? 3. Have you ever been a victim of a mass deletion or other vandalism on Wikipedia? If yes, please explain the situation to me. 4. How would you describe your gender? 5. Is there anything else you would like to share with me about your experiences as a Wikipedia editor? Thank you for taking the time to read this email. I would like you to know that I am only sharing my research with my professor and the other students in my class. If you would like me to send you a copy of my final project, I would be more than happy to! Sincerely, Stelba90 (talk) 00:31, 2 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-02T00:31:00.000Z","author":"Stelba90","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stelba90-2016-08-02T00:31:00.000Z-Digital_Anthropology_research","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-02T06:26:00.000Z-Stelba90-2016-08-02T00:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Stelba90 1. Not likely. I walk away from conflict. It is not worthwhile to building an encyclopedia. 2. I had an interest in an area from my real life and there was a poorly written article. I spent weeks editing it and when a few editors noticed, they gave me encouragement and answered my questions. The only hesitations were about technical things, which are still frustrating to me. 3. On my personal articles, no. In our project Women in Red, yes, there are often mass deletions. 4. woman. 5. Overall, I'd say there are a lot of policers and very few creators--many egos who enjoy telling others what to do and want to be experts. A good support system of editors one enjoys collaborating with is the only way one manages to avoid the negativity which is prevalent. SusunW (talk) 06:26, 2 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-02T06:26:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-02T06:26:00.000Z-Stelba90-2016-08-02T00:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Library of Congress copyright tag for this is {{PD-National Photo Company}}

• Library of Congress copyright tag for this is {{PD-National Photo Company}}

• Library of Congress copyright tag for this is {{PD-National Photo Company}} You can get a larger and possibly sharper copy of the photo you're presently using here. I'd advise changing the copyright tag to the National Photo Company one. We hope (talk) 18:29, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T18:29:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T18:29:00.000Z-More_for_you","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T20:09:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T18:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

We hope You TOTALLY, TOTALLY rock! Now to write the article. Then to download the photos. Thank you so much! SusunW (talk) 20:09, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T20:09:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T20:09:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T18:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Are you able to full view her 1944 book at HathiTrust?

• Indians Are People Too
• Catalog Record for the book

Google Books offers it as a snippet view only and Internet Archive doesn't have a copy at all. It has a one page mini bio for her you might find useful--her education, when she married, etc. I can download the page and upload it for reference if you can't. (Downloading the whole book would mean doing it page by page from HathiTrust). Let me know if you need the bio page and I'll get working on it. We hope (talk) 21:21, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T21:21:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:21:00.000Z-Question","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:43:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

We hope, Yes, I can get her whole book on HathiTrust. Hadn't gone through it yet, was just rounding up sources and reading them. SusunW (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T21:43:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:43:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:50:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wasn't sure because HathiTrust had been quite "difficult" with giving non US readers full view for some time. Glad to know that's changed! :-D We hope (talk) 21:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T21:50:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:50:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:52:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

We hope I know. Sometimes in Mexico we can see all, sometimes, we can see nada. Same with Google books. It's frustrating. SusunW (talk) 21:52, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T21:52:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T21:52:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T21:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@We hope and Adam Cuerden: or anyone else who might be able to help. I'm working on an article on her and have found two photographs in Hathitrust publications. p14 and p 23 The first one does not indicate the author and the second one, indicates it is from the Christian Science Monitor. Any idea whether these can uploaded to commons or whether they need to be fair use? I found another one, that is on commons but it is not as good an image for a biographical sketch. SusunW (talk) 16:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:11:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:11:00.000Z-Ruth_Muskrat_Bronson","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:27:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Probably the easiest way is to check if the book's copyright has been renewed. If not, then, at the least, the first is out of copyright, probably the second.

Adam Cuerden My understanding is that if the full text is available on HathiTrust, copyright has expired. Is that incorrect? SusunW (talk) 16:27, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:27:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:27:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:38:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Am now checking your links. The first photo is fine as the book wasn't renewed. Haven't yet gotten to the second--hang on for the details re: the first. We hope (talk) 16:38, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:38:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:38:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A search for renewals was done in books for the years 1974 and 1975 The author, Marion E. Gridley renewed the title American Indian Women in 1974 and American Indian Tribes in 1975. The title Indians of Today was not listed as renewed. ;) We hope (talk) 16:43, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:43:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:43:00.000Z-Ruth_Muskrat_Bronson","replies":[]}}-->

For the 1936 edition of the book: A renewal search was done in books for the years 1963 and 1964. Marion E. Gridley renewed the title Jamie's Dog in 1963, but not Indians of Today from 1936. We hope (talk) 16:50, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:50:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:50:00.000Z-Ruth_Muskrat_Bronson","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:53:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

We hope you are AMAZING! I totally bow to your expertise and confess my ignorance. I actually like the second image better, but will be happy with either of them. :) :) :) SusunW (talk) 16:53, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T16:53:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:53:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-We_hope-2016-08-03T17:07:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you decide to try your hand at it, the older material is at UPenn. At times, items were renewed early, so the 27th & 28th year after publication has to be checked. Books are listed under that heading, periodicals covers newspapers & magazines, artwork covers works of art & photos. I just got very used to using the lookups because of various photos and film posters. :-) We hope (talk) 17:07, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T17:07:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-03T17:07:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-03T16:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-03T17:19:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T17:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

We hope I think I will just stick with what I know and ask you, I do try not to abuse my asking. Also seems that the 1947 one is the clearer one to use because it is definitely expired. I don't know how we find out if the Christian Science Monitor renewed their image anyway, even if the book did not, and it seems as if it would be a lot of work, when we found an image that is good and usable. Thank you, thank you, thank you for your help! :) SusunW (talk) 17:19, 3 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-03T17:19:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-03T17:19:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-03T17:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear Susun, thank you so much for retrieving and recreating B. V. Subbamma and also linking the Times of India In memoriam. Years' ago, I had created one for B. V. Subbamma and each year published her In memoriam in the local English daily but after some time it was up for deletion and efforts to save it went in vain. A few months back I noticed B. V. Subbamma and I couldn't believe it, thanks to you.Meher Mansion (talk) 03:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-04T03:33:00.000Z","author":"Meher Mansion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Meher_Mansion-2016-08-04T03:33:00.000Z-Retrieval_of_B._V._Subbamma","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-04T14:09:00.000Z-Meher_Mansion-2016-08-04T03:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Meher Mansion, you are quite welcome. I discovered her during Wikipedia:WikiProject Women in Red's Women in Religion editathon and felt she deserved an article. SusunW (talk) 14:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-04T14:09:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-04T14:09:00.000Z-Meher_Mansion-2016-08-04T03:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you Pdebee. There are so many people who helped me, especially with technical stuff, that I feel it is important to share the knowledge. Ask anytime. If I can help, I will. If I can't, hopefully I can point you in a helpful direction ;) SusunW (talk) 20:40, 10 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-10T20:40:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-10T20:40:00.000Z-Pdebee-2016-08-10T20:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi! I'm looking into Edith Emerald Johns, but I'm missing a few of my password log-ins at my location. One of the databases I use a lot I have access to from my library so I usually don't log into it remotely. I can't remember that password. :( I found another variant of her name, Edith Big Fire Johns, if that helps, too. I'll keep looking though, but I wanted to give you an update. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 14:28, 11 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-11T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:28:00.000Z-Edith_Emerald_Johns","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-11T14:39:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks Sue! You ROCK! She also had a son surnamed Syfczak, so I have checked Edith Syfczak, but found nada. I'll work on another woman and go back to her when (optimistically she says) we find something more. SusunW (talk) 14:39, 11 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-11T14:39:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-11T14:39:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-11T14:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cool. I'll be back at my library this Monday, so I'll have better access to databases. The ones I have through Wiki have come up with nothing so far. :( Megalibrarygirl (talk) 14:53, 11 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-11T14:53:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:53:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-11T14:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:41:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Megalibrarygirl Should I just go ahead and take this live with what I found or were you able to find anything about the Sun Times' piece? SusunW (talk) 16:41, 16 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-16T16:41:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:41:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-11T14:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:48:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've got the Sun Times stuff. I can send it your way. :) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-16T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:48:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:51:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Megalibrarygirl YOU ARE AWESOME! Thanks! I am glad to have you back from vacation :) SusunW (talk) 16:51, 16 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-16T16:51:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:51:00.000Z-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm glad to be back! I planned on bringing my laptop with me to keep working on stuff while I was there, but the battery is kaput and it died the night before I was going to leave... so I was forced offline. :( I guess that was good, too, though. I did a lot of biking and hanging out with my little niece and nephew and showed my son and daughter that life can be lived without a computer. (They're still not buying that, though.) ;) Megalibrarygirl (talk) 16:54, 16 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-16T16:54:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-16T16:54:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-16T16:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It looks like this was a Chicago Tribune photo; I checked their online archive, but this edition of the paper hasn't been uploaded there yet. Get a copy of the photo and resize it here at shrink pictures, then upload it as a fair-use photo. Next, visit these nice people at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Photography workshop to get the watermark removed. Give them the photo link because it's better to work on a larger copy. They should be able to remove the watermark and reduce the size of the now unwatermarked photo. We hope (talk) 16:16, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T16:16:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:16:00.000Z-Re;_Edith_Emerald_Johns","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:38:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks We hope. It's a Chicago Sun Times photo. But I'm guessing the process is still the same. I will try it. SusunW (talk) 16:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T16:38:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:38:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:39:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

It will be-I tried reading the back fast. :-). We hope (talk) 16:39, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T16:39:00.000Z","author":"We hope","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:39:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:44:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

LOL We hope, yes, I know, I had to clip it flip it and then try to read the clipping. THEN I realized there is a huge stamp in the middle of the newspaper article that says Sun Times. ;) SusunW (talk) 16:44, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T16:44:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:44:00.000Z-We_hope-2016-08-17T16:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-17T17:38:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Megalibrarygirl Thank you for all of your help on documentation. As you can see, I have taken her live and We hope is helping me get the photo fixed. It takes a village. Proud to work with both of you. SusunW (talk) 17:38, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T17:38:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-17T17:38:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T16:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-17T17:45:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T17:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

It looks awesome! :D Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:45, 17 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-17T17:45:00.000Z","author":"Megalibrarygirl","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Megalibrarygirl-2016-08-17T17:45:00.000Z-SusunW-2016-08-17T17:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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This is under GA review. May like to address some of the issues related to history section. ThanksNvvchar. 12:27, 29 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-29T12:27:00.000Z","author":"Nvvchar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nvvchar-2016-08-29T12:27:00.000Z-Kaunakes","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-29T14:05:00.000Z-Nvvchar-2016-08-29T12:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Nvvchar: I think I got the divisions done as requested. If he wants more, let me know. I've a busy real world week, but I'll check in from time to time. SusunW (talk) 14:05, 29 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-29T14:05:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-29T14:05:00.000Z-Nvvchar-2016-08-29T12:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there. I've started a new initiative, the Wikipedia:The 10,000 Challenge. It's a long term goal to bring about 10,000 article improvements to the UK and Ireland. Through two contests involving just six or seven weeks of editing so far we've produced over 1500 improvements. Long term if we have more people chipping it and adding articles they've edited independently as well from all areas of the UK then reaching that target is all possible. I think it would be an amazing achievement to see 10,000 article improvements by editors chipping in. If you support this and think you might want to contribute towards this long term please sign up in the Contributors section. No obligations, just post work on anything you feel like whenever you want, though try to avoid basic stubs if possible as we're trying to reduce the overall stub count and improve general comprehension and quality. Thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:44, 30 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-30T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-08-30T12:44:00.000Z-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge","replies":["c-SusunW-2016-08-30T14:19:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-08-30T12:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Doc I can add at least an article or two to your project each month in conjunction with our WiR editathons. Can't promise more than that, as real life commitments right now have me focused on a project I have been working on for 5 years, which is at a critical juncture. SusunW (talk) 14:19, 30 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-30T14:19:00.000Z","author":"SusunW","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SusunW-2016-08-30T14:19:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2016-08-30T12:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

That's cool. The idea is that anybody can produce anything they want at any time and not feel compelled to have to regularly contriburte. When you do some women articles and they're British or Irish just add them to the list! I do feel that the Women project itself could benefit from an article target like this, but would need the support,. I think having a central focus and people recognized for smaller scale edits might be more motivating long term.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:24, 30 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-30T14:24:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2016-08-30T14:24:00.000Z-Wikipedia:The_10,000_Challenge","replies":[]}}-->

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