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Guild of Copy Editors 2012 Annual Report The GOCE has wrapped up another successful year of operations! Our 2012 Annual Report is now ready for review. – Your project coordinators: Torchiest, BDD, and Miniapolis Sign up for the January drive! To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 00:40, 1 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-01-01T00:40:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-01-01T00:40:00.000Z-GOCE_2012_Annual_Report","replies":[]}}-->

The WikiProject Good articles Newsletter Volume IV, No. 1 – January 2013 For past newsletters click here

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Hi! You're getting this message because you are or have been a Wikipedia Ambassador. A new term is beginning for the United States and Canada Education Programs, and I wanted to give you an update on some important new information if you're interested in continuing your work this term as a Wikipedia Ambassador.

You may have heard a reference to a transition the education program is going through. This is the last term that the Wikimedia Foundation will directly run the U.S. and Canada programs; beginning in June, a proposed thematic organization is likely to take over organizing the program. You can read more about the proposal here.

Another major change in the program will take effect immediately. Beginning this term, a new MediaWiki education extension will replace all course pages and Ambassador lists. (See Wikipedia:Course pages and Help:Education Program extension for more details.) Included in the extension are online volunteer and campus volunteer user rights, which let you create and edit course pages and sign up as an ambassador for a particular course.

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After that, you can sign on to support courses. The list of courses will be at Special:Courses. (By default, this lists "Current" courses, but you can change the Status filter to "Planned" to see courses for this term that haven't reached their listed start date yet.)

As this is the first term we have used the extension, we know there will be some bugs, and we know the feature set is not as rich as it could be. (A big wave of improvements is already in the pipeline. And if you know MediaWiki and could help with code review, we'd love to have your help!) Please reach out to me (Sage Ross) with any complaints, bug reports, and feature suggestions. The basic features of the extension are documented at Wikipedia:Course pages, and you can see a tutorial for setting up and using them here.

Communication and keeping up to date

In the past, the Education Program has had a pretty fragmented set of communication channels. We're trying to fix that. These are the recommended places to discuss and stay up-to-date on the education program:

1. The education noticeboard has become the main on-wiki location for discussion of the Education Program. You can post there about broad education program issues as well as issues with individual courses.
2. The Ambassadors Announce email list is a very low-traffic announcements list of important information all Ambassadors need to be aware of. We encourage all Ambassadors (and other interested Wikipedians) to subscribe to the list; follow the instructions on the link to add your email address.
3. If you use IRC regularly, or need to try to reach someone immediately, the #wikipedia-en-ambassadors ^connect IRC channel is the place to find me and fellow Ambassadors.

Ambassador training and resources

We now have an online training for Ambassadors, which is intended to be both an orientation about the Wikipedia Ambassador role for newcomers and the manual for how to do the role. (There are parallel trainings for students and for educators as well.)

Please go through the training if you feel like you need a refresher on how a typical class is supposed to go and where the Ambassadors fit in, or if you want to review and help improve it. If there's something you'd like to see added, or other suggestions you have for it, feel free to edit the training and/or leave feedback. A primer on setting up and using course pages is included in the educators' training.

The Resources page of the training is the main place for Ambassador-related resources. If there's something you think is important as a resource that's not on there, please add it.

Finally, whether or not you work with any classes this term, I encourage you to post entries to the Trophy Case whenever you see excellent work from students or if you have great examples from past semesters. And, as always, let students (and other editors!) know when they do things well; a little WikiLove goes a long way!

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Signups are now closed; we have our final 127 contestants for this year's competition. 64 contestants will make it to the next round at the end of February, but we're already seeing strong scoring compared to previous years. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) currently leads, with 358 points. At this stage in 2012, the leader ( Grapple X (submissions)) had 342 points, while in 2011, the leader had 228 points. We also have a large number of scorers when compared with this stage in previous years. 12george1 (submissions) was the first competitor to score this year, as he was last year, with a detailed good article review. Some other firsts:

• 12george1 (submissions) was also the first to score for an article, with the good article Hurricane Gordon (2000). Again, this is a repeat of last year!
• Buggie111 (submissions) was the first to score for a did you know, with Marquis Flowers.
• Spencer (submissions) was the first to score for an in the news, with 2013 Houphouët-Boigny stampede.
• Status (submissions) was the first to score for a featured list, with list of Billboard Social 50 number-one artists.
• Adam Cuerden (submissions) was the first to score for a featured picture, with File:Thure de Thulstrup - L. Prang and Co. - Battle of Gettysburg - Restoration by Adam Cuerden.jpg.

Featured articles, portals and topics, as well as good topics, are yet to feature in the competition.

This year, the bonus points system has been reworked, with bonus points on offer for old articles prepared for did you know, and "multiplier" points reworked to become more linear. For details, please see Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring. There have been some teething problems as the bot has worked its way around the new system, but issues should mostly be ironed out- please report any problems to the WikiCup talk page. Here are some participants worthy of note with regards to the bonus points:

• Ed! (submissions) was the first to score bonus points, with Portland-class cruiser, a good article.
• Hawkeye7 (submissions) has the highest overall bonus points, as well as the highest scoring article, thanks to his work on Enrico Fermi, now a good article. The biography of such a significant figure to the history of science warrants nearly five times the normal score.
• HueSatLum (submissions) claimed bonus points for René Vautier and Nicolas de Fer, articles that did not exist on the English Wikipedia at the start of the year; a first for the WikiCup. The articles were eligible for bonus points because of fact they were both covered on a number of other Wikipedias.

Also, a quick mention of The C of E (submissions), who may well have already written the oddest article of the WikiCup this year: did you know that the Fucking mayor objected to Fucking Hell on the grounds that there was no Fucking brewery? The gauntlet has been thrown down; can anyone beat it?

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:32, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-01T00:32:00.000Z","author":"The ed17","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_ed17-2013-02-01T00:32:00.000Z-WikiCup_2013_January_newsletter","replies":["c-J_Milburn-2013-02-01T10:05:00.000Z-The_ed17-2013-02-01T00:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yesterday was the arbitrary cut-off point... I suppose I could slip you in if you tell me a flag. J Milburn (talk) 10:05, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-01T10:05:00.000Z","author":"J Milburn","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-J_Milburn-2013-02-01T10:05:00.000Z-The_ed17-2013-02-01T00:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there! I thought you might be interested in WikiProject Wikify's February Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We'll be trying to reduce the backlog size by over 500 articles and we need your help! Hard-working participants in the drive will receive awards for their contributions. If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!

Hello, Sp33dyphil, and welcome to the 2013 WikiCup! Your submissions' page is here. The competition begins at midnight UTC. The first round will last until the end of February, at which point the top 64 scorers will advance to the second round. We will be in touch at the end of every month! A few reminders:

• The rules can be found here. There have been a few changes from last year, which are listed on that page.
• Anything you submit must have been nominated and promoted in 2013, and you need to have completed significant work upon it in 2013. (The articles you review at good article reviews does not need to have been nominated in 2013, but you do need to have started the review in 2013.) We will be checking.
• If you feel that another competitor is breaking the rules or abusing the competition in some way, please let a judge know. Please do not remove entries from the submissions' pages of others yourself.
• Don't worry about calculating precisely how many points everything is worth. The bot will do that. The bot may occasionally get something wrong- let a judge know, or post on the WikiCup talk page if that happens.
• Please try to be prompt in updating submissions' pages so that they can be double-checked.

Overall, however, don't worry, and have fun. It doesn't matter if you make the odd mistake; these things happen. Questions can be asked on the WikiCup talk page. Good luck! J Milburn and The ed17 17:28, 1 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-01T17:28:00.000Z","author":"The ed17","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_ed17-2013-02-01T17:28:00.000Z-Welcome_to_the_2013_WikiCup!","replies":[]}}-->

The WikiProject Good articles Newsletter Volume IV, No. 2 – February 2013 For past newsletters click here

In This Issue Featured editorial: Time to make a Sweep by Hahc21. Project News: Several proposals are currently ongoin at the project, including two requests for comment. Good Articles of the Month: See which articles were picked this year of records: 282 articles passed in January! GA Task Forces: Some minor notes this month Member News: Member news Read this newsletter Single-page Unsubscribe Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot · 12 February 2012

here was not helpful. Please make yourself familiar with the new interwiki feature of Wikidata. Thx. -- 109.48.76.201 (talk) 23:36, 15 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-15T23:36:00.000Z","author":"109.48.76.201","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-109.48.76.201-2013-02-15T23:36:00.000Z-your_revert","replies":[]}}-->

Guild of Copy Editors February 2013 events newsletter We are preparing to start our February requests blitz and March backlog elimination drive. The February 2013 newsletter is now ready for review. – Your project coordinators: Torchiest, BDD, and Miniapolis Sign up for the February blitz and March drive! To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 23:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-16T23:25:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-02-16T23:25:00.000Z-GOCE_February_2013_newsletter","replies":[]}}-->

It looks like we edit-conflicted there, sorry about that. It looks like we were trying to do something similar. The article has become hopelessly bloated and need to go on a diet. --John (talk) 09:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-24T09:20:00.000Z","author":"John","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John-2013-02-24T09:20:00.000Z-Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-02-24T11:20:00.000Z-John-2013-02-24T09:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey it's cool man no big deal. In hindsight you got rid of more stuff than my edit, -- that's what I wanted. This article needs to go on a jog to lose some weight. Keep it up --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:20, 24 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-24T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-02-24T11:20:00.000Z-John-2013-02-24T09:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Guild of Copy Editors Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Blitzes/February 2013 wrap-up Participation: Out of 19 people who signed up for this blitz, 9 copy-edited at least one article. Thanks to all who participated! Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here. Progress report: During the six-day blitz, we removed over twenty articles from the requests queue. Hope to see you at the March drive in a few days! Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Torchiest, BDD and Miniapolis. To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 21:24, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-02-25T21:24:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-02-25T21:24:00.000Z-GOCE_news:_February_2013","replies":[]}}-->

Round 1 is now over. The top 64 scorers have progressed to round 2, where they have been randomly split into eight pools of eight. At the end of April, the top two from each pool, as well as the 16 highest scorers from those remaining, will progress to round 3. Commiserations to those eliminated; if you're interested in still being involved in the WikiCup, able and willing reviewers will always be needed, and if you're interested in getting involved with other collaborative projects, take a look at the WikiWomen's Month discussed below.

Round 1 saw 21 competitors with over 100 points, which is fantastic; that suggests that this year's competition is going to be highly competative. Our lower scores indicate this, too: A score of 19 was required to reach round 2, which was significantly higher than the 11 points required in 2012 and 8 points required in 2011. The score needed to reach round 3 will be higher, and may depend on pool groupings. In 2011, 41 points secured a round 3 place, while in 2012, 65 was needed. Our top three scorers in round 1 were:

1. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), primarily for an array of warship GAs.
2. Miyagawa (submissions), primarily for an array of did you knows and good articles, some of which were awarded bonus points.
3. Casliber (submissions), due in no small part to Canis Minor, a featured article awarded a total of 340 points. A joint submission with Keilana (submissions), this is the highest scoring single article yet submitted in this year's competition.

Other contributors of note include:

• Sven Manguard (submissions), whose Portal:Massachusetts is the first featured portal this year. The featured portal process is one of the less well-known featured processes, and featured portals have traditionally had little impact on WikiCup scores.
• Sasata (submissions), whose Mycena aurantiomarginata was the first featured article this year.
• Muboshgu (submissions) and Wizardman (submissions), who both claimed points for articles in the Major League Baseball tie-breakers topic, the first topic points in the competition.
• Toa Nidhiki05 (submissions), who claimed for the first full good topic with the Casting Crowns studio albums topic.

Featured topics have still played no part in this year's competition, but once again, a curious contribution has been offered by The C of E (submissions): did you know that there is a Shit Brook in Shropshire? With April Fools' Day during the next round, there will probably be a good chance of more unusual articles...

March sees the WikiWomen's History Month, a series of collaborative efforts to aid the women's history WikiProject to coincide with Women's History Month and International Women's Day. A number of WikiCup participants have already started to take part. The project has a to-do list of articles needing work on the topic of women's history. Those interested in helping out with the project can find articles in need of attention there, or, alternatively, add articles to the list. Those interested in collaborating on articles on women's history are also welcome to use the WikiCup talk page to find others willing to lend a helping hand. Another collaboration currently running is an an effort from WikiCup participants to coordinate a number of Easter-themed did you know articles. Contributions are welcome!

A few final administrative issues. From now on, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 11:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-01T11:35:00.000Z","author":"J Milburn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J_Milburn-2013-03-01T11:35:00.000Z-WikiCup_2013_February_newsletter","replies":[]}}-->

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A 'Request For Comment' for Good Article Nominations is currently being held. We are asking that you please take five to ten minutes to review all seven proposals that will affect Good Article Nominations if approved. Full details of each proposal can be found here. Please comment on each proposal (or as many as you can) here. At this time, Proposal 1, 3, and 5 have received full (or close to) support. If you have questions of anything general (not related to one specif proposal), please leave a message under the General discussion thread. Please note that Proposal 2 has been withdrawn and no further comments are needed. Also, please disregard Proposal 9 as it was never an actual proposal.

Hi there! I thought you might be interested in WikiProject Wikify's April Wikification Backlog Elimination Drive. We'll be trying to reduce the backlog size by over 500 articles and we need your help! Hard-working participants in the drive will receive awards for their contributions. If you have a spare moment, please join and wikify an article or tell your friends. Thanks!

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We are halfway through round two. Pool A sees the strongest competition, with five out of eight of its competitors scoring over 100, and Pool H is lagging, with half of its competitors yet to score. WikiCup veterans lead overall; Pool A's Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) (2010's winner) leads overall, with poolmate Miyagawa (submissions) (a finalist in 2011 and 2012) not far behind. Pool F's Casliber (submissions) (a finalist in 2010, 2011 and 2012) is in third. The top two scorers in each pool, as well as the next highest 16 scorers overall, will progress to round three at the end of April.

Today has seen a number of Easter-themed did you knows from WikiCup participants, and March has seen collaboration from contestants with WikiWomen's History Month. It's great to see the WikiCup being used as a locus of collaboration; if you know of any collaborative efforts going on, or want to start anything up, please feel free to use the WikiCup talk page to help find interested editors. As well as fostering collaboration, we're also seeing the Cup encouraging the improvement of high-importance articles through the bonus point system. Highlights from the last month include GAs on physicist Niels Bohr ( Hawkeye7 (submissions)), on the European hare ( Cwmhiraeth (submissions)), on the constellation Circinus ( Keilana (submissions) and Casliber (submissions)) and on the Third Epistle of John ( Cerebellum (submissions)). All of these subjects were covered on at least 50 Wikipedias at the beginning of the year and, subsequently, each contribution was awarded at least three times as many points as normal.

Wikipedians who enjoy friendly competition may be interested in participating in April's wikification drive. While wikifying an article is typically not considered "significant work" such that it can be claimed for WikiCup points, such gnomish work is often invaluable in keeping articles in shape, and is typically very helpful for new writers who may not be familiar with formatting norms.

A quick reminder: now, submission pages will need only a link to the article and a link to the nomination page, or, in the case of good article reviews, a link to the review only. See your submissions' page for details. This will hopefully make updating submission pages a little less tedious. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) J Milburn (talk) 22:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-03-31T22:27:00.000Z","author":"J Milburn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J_Milburn-2013-03-31T22:27:00.000Z-WikiCup_2013_March_newsletter","replies":[]}}-->

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I've been doing 'Authority Control' edits to bio pages on peeps from the early 1800's. I think I'm doing it the 'right' way, but I've seen references to it several ways, and I could use a second eye real quick to see if my edits to this stub look "Wiki Style" correct, if you know what I mean. The article that's a good example is John Till Allingham‎...it needed several things. Should only take a sec... :)

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We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with Sven Manguard (submissions) claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and Cwmhiraeth (submissions) claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place Casliber (submissions) and second place Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

The next issue of The Signpost is due to include a brief update on the current WikiCup, comparing it to previous years' competitions. This may be of interest to current WikiCup followers, and may help bring some more new faces into the community. We would also like to note that this round includes an extra competitor to the 32 advertised, who has been added to a random pool. This extra inclusion seems to have been the fairest way to deal with a small mistake made before the beginning of this round, but should not affect the competition in a large way. If you have any questions or concerns about this, please feel free to contact one of the judges.

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This is a note to let the main editors of Boeing 767 know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 2, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or one of his delegates (Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs)), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 2, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The Boeing 767 is a mid-size, wide-body twin-engine jet airliner built by Boeing Commercial Airplanes. It was the manufacturer's first wide-body twinjet and its first airliner with a two-crew glass cockpit. The aircraft features two turbofan engines, a conventional tail, and for reduced aerodynamic drag, a supercritical wing design. Designed as a smaller wide-body airliner than preceding aircraft such as the 747, the 767 has a capacity of 181 to 375 persons and a design range of 3,850 to 6,385 nautical miles (7,130 to 11,825 km), depending on variant. The original 767-200 entered service in 1982, followed by the 767-300 in 1986 and the 767-400ER, an extended-range variant, in 2000. Versions for freight and military use have also been created. The aircraft was initially flown on domestic and transcontinental routes, before becoming the first twin-engined airliner to receive regulatory approval for extended overseas flights. In 1986, Boeing initiated studies for a higher-capacity 767, ultimately leading to the development of the 777, a larger wide-body twinjet. In the 1990s, the 767 became the most frequently used airliner for transatlantic flights between North America and Europe. (Full article...)

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Hello! Now, some of you might be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers: Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with, the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment session...you can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available". Co-Director: The current Director for the centre is me (Dom497). Another user that would be willing to help with some of the tasks would be helpful. Tasks include making sure recruiters are doing what they should be (teaching!), making sure all recruitments are archived correctly, updating pages as needed, answering any questions, and distributing the feedback form. If interested, please contact me (Dom497). Nominators, please read this: If you are not interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still help. In some cases a nominator may have an issue with an "inexperienced" editor (the recruitee) reviewing one of their nominations. To minimize the chances of this happening, if you are fine with a recruitee reviewing one of your nominations under the supervision of the recruiter, please add your name to the list at the bottom of this page. By adding your name to this list, chances are that your nomination will be reviewed more quickly as the recruitee will be asked to choose a nomination from the list of nominators that are OK with them reviewing the article. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. I look forward to seeing this program bring new reviewers to the Good article community and all the positive things it will bring along. A message will be sent out to all recruiters regarding the date when the Recruitment Centre will open when it is determined. The message will also contain some further details to clarify things that may be a bit confusing.--Dom497 (talk) This message was sent out by --EdwardsBot (talk) 01:06, 4 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-04T01:06:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-06-04T01:06:00.000Z-WikiProject_Good_Articles_Recruitment_Centre","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello! Now, some of you might have already received a similar message a little while ago regarding the Recruitment Centre, so if you have, there is no need to read the rest of this. This message is directed to users who have reviewed over 15 Good article nominations and are not part of WikiProject Good articles (the first message I sent out went to only WikiProject members). So for those who haven't heard about the Recruitment Centre yet, you may be wondering why there is a Good article icon with a bunch of stars around it (to the right). The answer? WikiProject Good articles will be launching a Recruitment Centre very soon! The centre will allow all users to be taught how to review Good article nominations by experts just like you! However, in order for the Recruitment Centre to open in the first place, we need some volunteers: Recruiters: The main task of a recruiter is to teach users that have never reviewed a Good article nomination how to review one. To become a recruiter, all you have to do is meet this criteria. If we don't get at least 5-10 recruiters to start off with (at the time this message was sent out, 2 recruiters have volunteered), the Recruitment Centre will not open. If interested, make sure you meet the criteria, read the process and add your name to the list of recruiters. (One of the great things about being a recruiter is that there is no set requirement of what must be taught and when. Instead, all the content found in the process section is a guideline of the main points that should be addressed during a recruitment session...you can also take an entire different approach if you wish!) If you think you will not have the time to recruit any users at this time but are still interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still add your name to the list of recruiters but just fill in the "Status" parameter with "Not Available". Co-Director: The current Director for the centre is me (Dom497). Another user that would be willing to help with some of the tasks would be helpful. Tasks include making sure recruiters are doing what they should be (teaching!), making sure all recruitments are archived correctly, updating pages as needed, answering any questions, and distributing the feedback form. If interested, please contact me (Dom497). Nominators, please read this: If you are not interested in becoming a recruiter, you can still help. In some cases a nominator may have an issue with an "inexperienced" editor (the recruitee) reviewing one of their nominations. To minimize the chances of this happening, if you are fine with a recruitee reviewing one of your nominations under the supervision of the recruiter, please add your name to the list at the bottom of this page. By adding your name to this list, chances are that your nomination will be reviewed more quickly as the recruitee will be asked to choose a nomination from the list of nominators that are OK with them reviewing the article. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me. I look forward to seeing this program bring new reviewers to the Good article community and all the positive things it will bring along. A message will be sent out to all recruiters regarding the date when the Recruitment Centre will open when it is determined. The message will also contain some further details to clarify things that may be a bit confusing.--Dom497 (talk) This message was sent out by --EdwardsBot (talk) 14:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-09T14:48:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-06-09T14:48:00.000Z-WikiProject_Good_Articles_Recruitment_Centre_2","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Sp33dyphil, it's been a long time since we're not in touch. Hope you're doing fine. Just passed to ask you a question: Don't you think it's better to use ch-aviation to support the fleet table from now on? I mean, I've using aerotransport, but it seems the former provides more information, except for the fleet age. I'll wait for your response to proceed with this. Regards.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 10:59, 15 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-15T10:59:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-15T10:59:00.000Z-Vietnam_Airlines","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-06-16T09:34:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-15T10:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Jetstreamer and thanks. I hope you're doing fine too. I think that Ch Aviation is a more professional website than the database, and it is more up to date. But since it doesn't have the fleet age, I think we should use Ch Aviation for the table and Aerotransport for the fleet age. Thoughts? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 09:34, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-16T09:34:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-06-16T09:34:00.000Z-Jetstreamer-2013-06-15T10:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T13:48:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-06-16T09:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I actually added Ch-aviation as a source for the fleet table at Surinam Airways. That reference also provides the fleet age, but only for premium users, so I agree with you that having Ch-aviation for the description of any fleet (it provides a thorough description that includes tail numbers) and Aerotransport is a good combination for any article. Thanks for the comment. Kind regards.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 13:48, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-06-16T13:48:00.000Z","author":"Jetstreamer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jetstreamer-2013-06-16T13:48:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-06-16T09:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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We are down to our final 16: the 2013 semi-finals are upon us. A score of 321 was required to survive round 3, further cementing this as the most competitive WikiCup yet; round 3 was survived in 2012 with 243 points, in 2011 with 76 points and in 2010 with 250 points. The change may in part be to do with the fact that more articles are now awarded bonus points, in addition to more competitive play. Reaching the final has, in the past, required 573 points (2012, a 135% increase on the score needed to reach round 4), 150 points (2011, a 97% increase) and 417 points (2010, a 72% increase). This round has seen over a third of participants claiming points for featured articles (with seven users claiming for multiple featured articles) and most users have also gained bonus points. However, the majority of points continue to come from good articles, followed by did you know articles. In this round, every content type was utilised by at least one user, proving that the WikiCup brings together content contributors from all corners of the project.

Round 3 saw a number of contributions of note. Figureskatingfan (submissions) claimed the first featured topic points in this year's competition for her excellent work on topics related to Maya Angelou, the noted American author and poet. We have also continued to see high-importance articles improved as part of the competition: Ealdgyth (submissions) was awarded a thoroughly well-earned 560 points for her featured article Middle Ages and 102 points for her good article Battle of Hastings. Good articles James Chadwick and Stanislaw Ulam netted Hawkeye7 (submissions) 102 and 72 points respectively, while 72 points were awarded to Piotrus (submissions) for each of Władysław Sikorski and Emilia Plater, both recently promoted to good article status. Collaborative efforts between WikiCup participants have continued, with, for example, Casliber (submissions) and Sasata (submissions) being awarded 180 points each for their featured article on Boletus luridus.

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Guild of Copy Editors July 2013 backlog elimination drive mid-drive newsletter Participation: Out of 30 people who have signed up for this drive so far, 18 have participated. If you have signed up for the drive but have not yet participated, it isn't too late. If you haven't signed up for the drive, sign up now! Progress report: Thus far we have reduced the number of May/June 2012 articles to just 124 articles, so we're on the right track. Unfortunately, for the first time in GOCE history, the number of articles in the backlog has actually gone up during this drive. While all participants are currently doing a fine job, we just don't have as many of them as we have had in the past. We have over 500 editors on our mailing list, but only 18 editors who have done a copy edit for the drive. If you're receiving this newsletter, it's because you have an interest in copy editing. Join the drive! Even if you only copy edit one article, it helps. Imagine how much progress we could make if everyone chipped in just one article. – Your drive coordinators: Torchiest, Baffle gab1978, Jonesey95, and The Utahraptor. >>> Sign up now <<< To discontinue receiving GOCE newsletters, please remove your name from our mailing list. Newsletter delivered by EdwardsBot (talk) 22:23, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-21T22:23:00.000Z","author":"EdwardsBot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EdwardsBot-2013-07-21T22:23:00.000Z-GOCE_July_2013_news_report","replies":[]}}-->

We're halfway through this year's penultimate round, and the competition is moving along well. Pool A's Sasata (submissions) currently leads overall, while Pool B's Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) is second. Both leaders are WikiCup veterans, and both have already scored over 600 points this month. If the round were to end today, Miyagawa (submissions), with 274 points, would be the lowest-scoring participant to make it through. This indicates that participants will need a score comparable to last year's (573, the highest ever) to qualify for the final. The high scores this year are a testament both to the quality of participants and to the increased focus on significant content (eligible for bonus points) in this year's competition. So far this round, both Sasata and Cwmhiraeth (submissions) have made up over half of their score through bonus points, with, for example, high importance FA koala earning Sasata a total of 440 points (from a multiplier of 4.4) and high-importance GA sea earning Cwmhiraeth a total of 216 points (from a multiplier of 7.2). Other articles on important topics submitted this round include a featured article on the Norman conquest of England by Ealdgyth (submissions), and good articles on Nobel laureate in literature Henryk Sienkiewicz, Nobel laureate in physics Hans Bethe, and the noted Japanese aircraft carrier Hiryū. These articles are by Piotrus (submissions), Hawkeye7 (submissions) and Sturmvogel_66 respectively.

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This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:

1. Hawkeye7 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
2. Casliber (submissions), another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
3. Cwmhiraeth (submissions), 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
4. Sasata (submissions), a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
5. Sturmvogel_66 (submissions), the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
6. Ealdgyth (submissions), who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
7. Miyagawa (submissions), a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
8. Adam Cuerden (submissions) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

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On the GAN page you wrote "The article has done a great job explaining the physical geographic and biogeographic aspects of the the desert. However, I have misgivings about the exact definition of the desert, in particular the use of of the words "rainfall" and "precipitation", which are essential to the topic. This issue can be sorted out easily. However and more importantly as regard to whether the GA status could be attained or not, the article has not provided a broad coverage of the topic. It does not elaborate much on desert warfare and leaves out desert farming altogether – the "See also" section doesn't even have a link to that article. Solely because of the lack of coverage about desert farming, I think a quick-fail is applicable here. Please give me your thoughts on this particular matter."

Thank you for the detailed review, - I note what you say about the coverage being incomplete. It was not my intention to proceed to FAC as I think the criterion of comprehensiveness there would be difficult to fulfil. Nor do I actually agree with you about comprehensiveness with regard to the GAN criteria because the coverage is broad, it is just not broad enough. If you give me some time, I will work on the issues you raise and the article will get improved. If you quick fail this nomination I will do nothing further to the article and your effort in producing a long list of improvements needed will be wasted. So I would appeal for some time (2 weeks?) to improve the article. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:06, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-22T05:06:00.000Z","author":"Cwmhiraeth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T05:06:00.000Z-Desert_GAN","replies":["c-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T07:57:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T05:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

... and by the way, I have done 63 GA reviews and never quick failed one yet. Nor would I do so unless I thought it was a complete non-starter, always giving the nominator a chance to work on improvements. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:57, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-22T07:57:00.000Z","author":"Cwmhiraeth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T07:57:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T05:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-09-22T09:08:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T07:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

I disagree. FN 4 at GA criteria says, "This requirement [3a] is significantly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required of featured articles; it allows shorter articles, articles that do not cover every major fact or detail, and overviews of large topics." I wouldn't have mind giving you time to improve the article had it had a sentence or two on desert farming, as all the other issues I think are quite manageable. My understanding is that there is a distinction between being comprehensive and being broad in coverage -- a GA article has to be broad but not comprehensive. Being detailed is one thing, giving an overview is another -- this article has no overview whatsoever of desert farming. My mention of FAC is irrelevant to the issue at hand. And no, I don't think my effort in reviewing the article would be wasted if I quick-failed the GAN -- the issues would have to be addressed sooner or later. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 09:08, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-09-22T09:08:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-09-22T09:08:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-09-22T07:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello Sp33dyphil- thank you very much offering me feedback in regards to my "error tag" problem on the World Endometriosis Research Foundation article I am attempting to update. I believe I have caused unintentional confusion as a result of errors I made while citing sources (I am new to Wikipedia editing). I used the website template instead of the journal template and then entered information incorrectly. Below are the correction I have made to the article. Your assistance is greatly appreciated. Please advise. Jejjej2000 (talk) 09:49, 1 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-01T09:49:00.000Z","author":"Jejjej2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-01T09:49:00.000Z-Follow-up_=_World_Endometriosis_Research_Foundation\/tag_error_issue","replies":[]}}-->

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Jump up ^ Nnoaham, Kelechi E.; Sivahami Sivananthan, Lone Hummelshoj, Crispin Jenkinson, Premila Webster, Stephen H. Kennedy, Krina T. Zondervan (2009). "Multi-center studies of the global impact of endometriosis and the predictive value of associated symptoms". Journal of Endometriosis 1 (1): 36 – 45.

Jump up ^ Nnoaham, Kelechi E.; et. al (September 2012). "Developing symptom-based predictive models of endometriosis as a clinical screening tool: results from a multicenter study". Fertility and Sterility. Volume 98 (Issue 3): 692–701.e5.

Hello Sp33dyphil- I clearly understand your advise now and have spent several hours figuring out that there are very defined recommended Wikipedia protocols to follow when editing/updating an article of which, I have unfortunately not followed. Would you suggest I remove my edits and either add them to the articles talk page or my Sandbox to best achieve my goal of updating this article correctly? Or are you available to continue to guide/advise me to achieve it's successful posting? I should have the additional sources summarise for your review by Friday, 4/Oct - unfortunately personal matters need my attention at present. Thank you again for taking the time to assist me thus far and I do apologise again for my unintentional errors. Please advise. Jejjej2000 (talk) 07:23, 2 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-02T07:23:00.000Z","author":"Jejjej2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-02T07:23:00.000Z-Follow-up_=_World_Endometriosis_Research_Foundation\/tag_error_issue","replies":["c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-05T16:44:00.000Z-Jejjej2000-2013-10-02T07:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Sp33dyphil- Yes, I would agree that WERF is not a large organization/charity although it is making important contributions to the field of endometriosis research and thus I felt it was important that it's Wikipedia article be updated and sources referenced. I have identified 9 sources, but it has been a rather time consuming process. I have been working in my "sandbox" both on Friday and today but unfortunately have not yet fully completed the article. I will continue working on it tomorrow and confirm with you once finished. Thank you again for your advise/guidance.Jejjej2000 (talk) 16:44, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Jejjej2000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-05T16:44:00.000Z-Jejjej2000-2013-10-02T07:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-08T16:44:00.000Z-Jejjej2000-2013-10-05T16:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Sp33dyphil- I believe establish I have been able to successfully identify sources for the WERF's article I initially attempted to just update back on 25/Sept. Additionally, I have inserted the WERF logo and a Contents box to the article. These changes/edits have only been made in my sandbox. I welcome your feedback. Thank you. Jejjej2000 (talk) 16:44, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-08T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Jejjej2000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jejjej2000-2013-10-08T16:44:00.000Z-Jejjej2000-2013-10-05T16:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

For your c/e of Casimir Pulaski. I've addressed your clarification requests with this edit, I hope it indeed answers all of them. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T03:41:00.000Z","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piotrus-2013-10-05T03:41:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T04:28:00.000Z-Piotrus-2013-10-05T03:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

@User:Piotrus: I've had a look at your clarifications and made some minor changes; I am satisfied with the article. I need some feedback on my copy-editing skills, so please provide some comments ie. where and how I can improve, and a rating. Let's hope the article will go well at FAC. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 04:28, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T04:28:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T04:28:00.000Z-Piotrus-2013-10-05T03:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Piotrus-2013-10-05T05:53:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T04:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I found your c/e helpful, and I like the clarifications with editor comments, so thumbs up. I'll let you know when the article goes at FAC! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:53, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T05:53:00.000Z","author":"Piotrus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Piotrus-2013-10-05T05:53:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T04:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus"}}-->

Hi Sp33dyphil. When you do a GOCE Request, please don't delete it without archiving it. Instead, just tag it {{done}} in the GOCE/REQ section. After it's deleted, even if we don't completely overlook it, whoever archives it has to go dig in the history file to retrieve the details. Thanks. --Stfg (talk) 20:55, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T20:55:00.000Z","author":"Stfg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stfg-2013-10-05T20:55:00.000Z-GOCE_requests","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T22:09:00.000Z-Stfg-2013-10-05T20:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Stfg: It's been a while since I have taken on board a GOCE request; I should have read the instructions. My apologies. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:09, 5 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-05T22:09:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-05T22:09:00.000Z-Stfg-2013-10-05T20:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I massively deleted text off Cyril Rioli's page because it was duplicated further down the page. As for his wikitable it was three seasons out off date and the information could be retrived from AFL tables which I could not be bother to update. Now that you have restored Cyril's page you can see the duplication for yourself. Prehaps you could fill in Cyril's missing years. Purrum (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-07T09:30:00.000Z","author":"Purrum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Purrum-2013-10-07T09:30:00.000Z-Cyril","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-07T09:47:00.000Z-Purrum-2013-10-07T09:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Purrum: Because the table is missing the stats from 2011 to 2013, you remove all those from 2008 to 2010? Sorry, what am I missing? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 09:47, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-07T09:47:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-07T09:47:00.000Z-Purrum-2013-10-07T09:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! In your edit on my edit, you said that Ahmadiyya are not notable enough to warrant that level of detail. Based on the coverage they get in the media and the speaking tour their khalifa is on, they seem notable. In my edits, I cited to BBC and PBS, both being reputable sources. What would be notable enough? Also, as it has Sunni origins, I felt it best to place Ahmadiyya under the Sunni section. Salaamthebody (talk) 13:52, 7 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-07T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Salaamthebody","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Salaamthebody-2013-10-07T13:52:00.000Z-Islam","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-08T04:49:00.000Z-Salaamthebody-2013-10-07T13:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Salaamthebody: Simply put, there are barely more than 10 million Ahmadiyya Muslims in the world, barely one percent of the total Muslim population. In addition, they hold various beliefs relating to Jesus' death and second coming that do not conform with the Quran, and as such are considered heretical. For these reasons they should not be given undue weight as you have done. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 04:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-08T04:49:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-08T04:49:00.000Z-Salaamthebody-2013-10-07T13:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-08T04:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

talkpage stalker swoops in... Always tricky to handle cases like this. But it is important to separate Notability, and the lesser WP:NOTEWORTHY, which should govern whether a topic deserves an article to itself, and whether a topic deserves mention in other topic-related articles. There is such a thing as an utterly-non-mainstream religion, which is considered heretical, and is just barely Notable enough to have their own article. In cases like that, mentioning the tiny barely-notable religion in other articles AT ALL would be promotional, since they are so far towards the frontier that they have not gained any real acceptance. See the WP:ONEWAY rule for that case.

   That said, it seem pretty clear to me from the statistics you quote -- 10 million followers and 1% of the population -- that in fact Ahmadiyya has *already* gained real acceptance. In science, they would be called an Alternative Minority Viewpoint, and although they would not deserve prominence out of line with WP:UNDUE, they absolutely positively *would* get mentioned on most pages dealing with Islam, most pages dealing with the countries where Ahmadiyya is above 1% of the local demographics, and so on. Even though they only are 1% of the total Muslim population, because of their controversial stances, they almost certainly are mentioned in more than 1% of the reliable sources, right? Wikipedia should mirror the sources, when deciding questions about how much weight Ahmadiyya should be given in some article or other.

   For an example of what I'm talking about, see political party and politics in the United States. Ahmadiyya as a subset of the Muslim population is about as strong -- demographically speaking -- as the Libertarian Party as a subset of the voting population. Libertarians get mentioned in passing twice, and in a full sentence (about noteworthy third parties) in the main political-party article. In the USA article, it gets two mentions (including one in the intro-paragraph) and two full sentences (in two different subsections) plus a see-also link. Just guessing here, but Ahmadiyya might merit a mention-in-passing in the main Religion article, and a couple sentences plus a see-also in the Muslim article, plus stronger weight in articles about Demographics of $country or especially Religion of $country where they are significant. Looking it up, there is a mention in Religion plus a see-also; but in the Muslim article, they get passing-buried-mention-in-a-footnote, which seems wrong; ahh, but there is a redirect to the Islam article, which gives them two sentences and a redirect. So the weight seems proper, for those articles.

   Still, it would be a shame to lose the extra info provided by Salaamthebody, especially the PBS/BBC cites. Here is my attempt at a rewrite, staying within the two-sentence WP:UNDUE limitation.

* ((current)) Ahmadiyya is an Islamic movement founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad that began in India in the late 19th century and is practiced by millions of people around the world.^[1] Ahmadiyyas are divided into two subgroups, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community and the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement.^[2]

* ((suggest)) Ahmadiyya is an Islamic reform movement (with Sunni roots) founded by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad^[3] that began in India in 1889 and is practiced by over ten million^[4] people around the world.^[5] Ahmadiyyas are divided^[6] into two subgroups, the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community (5th Khalifa of Ahmad the subordinate prophet) and the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement (6th Emirate of Ahmad the second coming).

Ideally, would need some sources (or failing that some snark-tags) for these phrases: reform, Sunni roots, 1889, fifth, Khalifa, subordinate prophet, sixth, Emir, second coming slash messiah. But the main article on the religion agrees with what Salaamthebody said. I think it's helpful to say the sub-movements are split both in terms of leadership-type and also a key piece of theology. HTH. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 18:50, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-08T04:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:56:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z","c-Salaamthebody-2013-11-18T21:22:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Put this request on the Islam talkpage, article is self-protected, and Salaamthebody never got back to me. Asked Toddy if they would review it, they look like a regular at that article. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 18:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-11T18:56:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:56:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! Sorry for the delay! The edit looks good. Thanks for your thorough explanation and your help. Much appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Salaamthebody (talk • contribs) 21:22, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-18T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Salaamthebody","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Salaamthebody-2013-11-18T21:22:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T18:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"Military history reviewers' award" from AustralianRupert 576310921

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Sukhoi Su-35 you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sturmvogel 66 -- Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 16:51, 10 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-10T16:51:00.000Z","author":"Sturmvogel 66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-10T16:51:00.000Z-Your_GA_nomination_of_Sukhoi_Su-35","replies":[],"displayName":"Sturmvogel\u00a066"}}-->

Thank you for doing such a thorough GA review of Desert. You put a lot of effort into the review and the article was improved as a result. Although it could be called a FA-type review, I am not inclined to go for FA, at the moment at least. The difference between a good article and a normal article seems a more worthwhile gap to bridge to me than the difference between a GA and a FA. The minute attention detail required at FAC I find offputting. Then again, with an article with wide scope such as Desert, I might get bogged down again in the interminable suggestions about possible omissions that we had at the Sea FAC. Anyway, thank you for taking on the review. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:09, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-12T05:09:00.000Z","author":"Cwmhiraeth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cwmhiraeth-2013-10-12T05:09:00.000Z-Desert_GA","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-12T05:30:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-10-12T05:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cwmhiraeth: No worries. It has been a laborious review, but I am happy to have chipped in and immensely pleased with the fruits of our efforts. If you have a long-standing GAN that nobody is willing to review in the future, I'd be happy to do it, given I have enough spare time. Anyway, I want to see Desert on the main page, sooner or later. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:30, 12 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-12T05:30:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-12T05:30:00.000Z-Cwmhiraeth-2013-10-12T05:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you very much for the World War Barnstar for getting Capture of Jenin to GA. I really appreciate the thought. All the best, --Rskp (talk) 05:56, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z","author":"RoslynSKP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z-Thanks_a_lot","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-13T06:01:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z","c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-15T22:19:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rskp"}}-->

Rskp: No, thank *you* for doing what you're doing. If you need anything, please ask. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 06:01, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-13T06:01:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-13T06:01:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T06:18:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-13T06:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Now that you mention it, :D I have got several problems at the moment which I've been trying to nut out. Can you give me some advice regarding the Move Review of the ANZAC Mounted Division here [1] or some perspective on the Copyright violations issue at the Capture of Damascus (1918) here [2]. In both cases there are reams of posts to plow through, but any thoughts you might have, will be gratefully received. :) --Rskp (talk) 06:18, 13 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-13T06:18:00.000Z","author":"RoslynSKP","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T06:18:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-13T06:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-15T07:38:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T06:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rskp"}}-->

@RoslynSKP: Regarding the Capture of Damascus article, I think the article overuses block-quotes. Although the Copyright tag is unwarranted, you would need to remove a lot of those quotes. I barely use them, so I wouldn't have a clue if it is hard to get rid of them or not. Unless I'm missing something, that's my take on the issue. Regarding the move request, I've got no comment. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-15T07:38:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-15T07:38:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T06:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for that. While I understand the need to rework the quotations in this article, I'm most interested to see you think the Copyright tag is unwarranted. Do you know if there are any steps which can be taken to stop or at least censure this action by an IP and Jim Sweeney (the 264th most active editor)? --Rskp (talk) 22:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-15T22:19:00.000Z","author":"RoslynSKP","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-15T22:19:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-13T05:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-17T11:05:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-15T22:19:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rskp"}}-->

@RoslynSKP: I think the action you'd like to take might be an over-reaction. In any case, you have removed the template without anymore objections from Jim Sweeney -- let's try not to turn this issue into a WP:BATTLEGROUND. Instead focus should be directed towards addressing the quote issue itself. Let's not get distracted. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:05, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-17T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-17T11:05:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-15T22:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-18T00:05:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-17T11:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

You misunderstand me entirely. I have no idea what actions you think "I would like to take." I was asking you if anything could be done to stop this type of disruptive editing. --Rskp (talk) 00:05, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-18T00:05:00.000Z","author":"RoslynSKP","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-18T00:05:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-17T11:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-20T09:03:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-18T00:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rskp"}}-->

@RoslynSKP: I was anticipating (wrongly so) some hostile action :P Since the issue had passed, I don't think any action should take place. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 09:03, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-20T09:03:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-20T09:03:00.000Z-RoslynSKP-2013-10-18T00:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-20T22:32:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-20T09:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Fair enough. --Rskp (talk) 22:32, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-20T22:32:00.000Z","author":"RoslynSKP","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-RoslynSKP-2013-10-20T22:32:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-20T09:03:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Rskp"}}-->

It's now nearly a month since I nominated this article for FA and I'd like to get any remaining issues resolved. Could you please take a look again at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Volubilis/archive1 and let me know if you are happy with the current state of play? Prioryman (talk) 18:13, 18 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-18T18:13:00.000Z","author":"Prioryman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Prioryman-2013-10-18T18:13:00.000Z-Volubilis","replies":[]}}-->

I replied (!) on Cwmhiraeth's talk page. Maybe something useful. Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:13, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-20T11:13:00.000Z","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-2013-10-20T11:13:00.000Z-Harrier","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, dyphil. I need an adoption. Would you please help me. The list of my articles I have written is in my user page. My last article is Emamzadeh Ahmad. I think this article may have some language problems. If yes, would you correct it for me? Thank you. Diako1971 20:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

@Diako1971: Hi Diako1971, thank you for giving me a chance to impart my knowledge about the writing process on Wikipedia. Your edit history tells me that you have been an editor for three years, so I presume you have a very basic understanding of the site's policies and guidelines, especially those that relate to content creation. If you are not, I recommend you read Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. At the moment I am busy with issues outside of Wikipedia, but in due course, I will have a look at your articles, specifically Emamzadeh Ahmad, to see how I could help. I will also have a closer look at your edits to see if there are any issues I could rectify. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:01, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-23T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-23T11:01:00.000Z-Adoption","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I'm Brayton, an Australian student interested in Philosophy. I have been passionate about improving world access to knowledge with free, high quality web material. I only recently joined Wikipedia as an editor, but have been reading for some time. I am aware of the community ethos, and would appreciate your guidance. I have yet to make a page, though I assure it will be substancial. I am not very interested in Anti-vandalism, but I do however value members who are. I think Wikipedia and Wikitionary are the best mediums for learning word history and etymology, while a great source to both teach others(such as other students needing assistance) and to experience literal, psychological/sociological and philosophical material. Thanks, Hope you can handle guiding me! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilosophyBrayton (talk • contribs) 04:48, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T04:48:00.000Z","author":"PhilosophyBrayton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T04:48:00.000Z-Brayton","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T04:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

@PhilosophyBrayton: Hi Brayton, thank you for spending your valuable time to contribute to Wikipedia. First off, I'd like to inform you that this adoption will span about 6 months, so I hope I can impart as much knowledge I have about this site as possible within that timeframe. If that's OK, sometimes I may have to request the insight of other editors who are more experienced than I am.

Secondly, I'd like to know what sorts of topics you are interested in, and what you intend to do on Wikipedia. I assume, from your username, that you are concerned primarily with philosophy, but I'd like to know if you have any other interests.

In your post you said that you're "not very interested in Anti-vandalism" -- if you instead intend to focus primarily on writing articles and doing content creation, I believe you've come to the right place. Can you confirm this assumption? Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T04:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:03:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z","c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:08:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, that's certainly the right assumption. I wish to primarily focus on content creation and verifying present information. I'm interested in Philosophy, Sciences, Literature, anthropology and sociology. If I know anything appropriate concerning etymology I'll add that, but I am limited in that field. Thanks. 6 months sounds great! — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilosophyBrayton (talk • contribs) 06:03, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T06:03:00.000Z","author":"PhilosophyBrayton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:03:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Oh, but I do have one question troubling me, how do I "pronounce" your Username? Is it SpeedyPhil? — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilosophyBrayton (talk • contribs) 06:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T06:08:00.000Z","author":"PhilosophyBrayton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:08:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T05:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T07:16:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

@PhilosophyBrayton: 1) Great, you sound like my ideal adoptee. I am interested in sociology too, sounds like we have established a common ground.

2) Yes that's correct, although I prefer to be called just "Phil".

Anyway, let's get started. Do you have access to any publications about the topics above, and is there one or two articles that you'd like to improve, or see improved, atm? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:16, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T07:16:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T07:16:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-10T06:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

ATM I think my expertise Is not exhaustive enough to create many new pages, but one that I would say is crucial is "Bio-Ethics". I will try to figure out creating a page, but that's it for now. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilosophyBrayton (talk • contribs) 02:00, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-16T02:00:00.000Z","author":"PhilosophyBrayton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-16T02:00:00.000Z-Brayton","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-25T10:52:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-16T02:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

@PhilosophyBrayton: You should probably start editing to get the ball rolling. Cheers, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 10:52, 25 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-25T10:52:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-25T10:52:00.000Z-PhilosophyBrayton-2013-11-16T02:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I don't know why you want another pair of eyes to validate your review of the article, but I need the review to be complete before the end of the month, one way or another. There are only a few things left to do on the Su-35 article before I can promote it, BTW.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 23:47, 23 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-23T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Sturmvogel 66","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-23T23:47:00.000Z-GAN_for_North_American_AJ_Savage","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-24T04:32:00.000Z-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-23T23:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Sturmvogel 66: From my perspective, the article is certainly a GA. I just wanted to make sure that I haven't missed anything. Having reviewed Desert, my most exhaustive GA review yet, I feel I have done a sub-par job of this article. If nobody gives their opinion shortly, I will quickly promote the article. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 04:32, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-24T04:32:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-24T04:32:00.000Z-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-23T23:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-24T06:04:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-24T04:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, you could compare it to some of the other aircraft GAs to see if I missed anything that needs to be covered in more detail. I just want to put it to bed because there aren't very many Aviation people who review GANs and the wait for a second reviewer could be practically indefinite. I mentioned your request on the Aircraft talk page a few days ago and you can see what results have happened since.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 06:04, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-24T06:04:00.000Z","author":"Sturmvogel 66","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sturmvogel_66-2013-10-24T06:04:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-24T04:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I've responded at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Constance Stokes/archive1; thank you for those comments. hamiltonstone (talk) 09:53, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-24T09:53:00.000Z","author":"Hamiltonstone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hamiltonstone-2013-10-24T09:53:00.000Z-Constance_Stokes","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! Is the Nokia Lumia 2520 Nokia's first tablet? Surely not! This is a tablet computer: Nokia 770 Internet Tablet, i.e. a small computer which is tablet shaped in form. Tablet is simply a form-factor. It is described on a number of sources as their first Windows Tablet (or similar), see here for example Nokia World: First Windows Tablet, Big Lumia Phone, and Instagram (Finally). I see that the The Australian article describes it as Nokia's first tablet, but they're wrong, sources do get some things wrong now and then. Also, the Nokia 770 is mentioned in the tablet computer article, here Tablet_computer#Early_devices. --Danrok (talk) 13:43, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-24T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Danrok","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Danrok-2013-10-24T13:43:00.000Z-Nokia_Lumia_2520","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-25T07:03:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-10-24T13:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Danrok: Hi, I did not know that so thank you for the correction and heads up. It's good to know that somebody's got my back. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:03, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-25T07:03:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-25T07:03:00.000Z-Danrok-2013-10-24T13:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

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Morning Phil. I've been going through the previous FAC for AV-8B, and a couple of points occurred to me.

First, Nikki says "Don't italicize publishers". We now seem to have just one publisher that still seems to be italicised, namely ref 88, Federation of American Scientists. Does this need changing?

Second, there was something of a kerfuffle on the FAC (and elsewhere) about the "See also" section. To me, the current See Also section doesn't look especially bloated, although most of the entries aren't sourced and some of them are already wikilinked in the main body of the article. Do you feel there's a need to make any changes here?

I'm still going over the prose, so please don't nominate it yet! :) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:28, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-27T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-27T17:28:00.000Z-AV8-B_-_publisher_italics_and_also_See_Also_section","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-28T07:02:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-27T17:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I've fixed the publisher issue. Regarding "See also", I've added a source for Boeing X-32 and removed the rest that are unsourced. I really don't think such links should require a reference, and that it is ultimately the contributor's discretion whether a link is included or not. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 07:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-28T07:02:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-28T07:02:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-27T17:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-28T07:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks! Now partly reverted by Fnlayson, but I can see where he's coming from and I don't see how anyone could reasonably complain about what's now in the section. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-28T07:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

This is a new(ish) sentence in the expanded lead that has never (I think) been looked over by Dank and similarly expert copyeditors:

Following the political split, McDonnell Douglas proceeded to extensively redesign the earlier AV-8A Harrier to create the AV-8B.

First problem with this is the split infinitive. Now, we wouldn't of course say "proceeded to redesign extensively", but instead I've recast that sentence to drop the split infinitive. My version loses the sense of the redesign being a lengthy process, but I think it is still adequate:

Following the political split, McDonnell Douglas extensively redesigned the earlier AV-8A Harrier to create the AV-8B.

Now, the political split to which it is referring, is at the end of the preceding paragraph; "Due to budgetary constraints, however, the UK abandoned the project in 1975."

The jump between "budgetary" and "political" is very jarring. Now, admittedly it would have been a politician that made the decision, but it wasn't really a political split between the UK and US, or even between parts of their governments. I think what we need here is something like "Following the UK withdrawal"? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:43, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z-AV-8B_lead_-_\"following_the_political_split\"","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:00:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: Your suggestion sounds good. I've made the change. The previous wording was, admittedly, slightly awkward, but I didn't know of any other way of expressing it. Thanks for the rewording! --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-29T05:00:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:00:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T17:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've asked Dank about the FAC-controversial "deep air support" text in the first paragraph of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#Operational history. (Worth noting - the original controversy at that FAC was due to the sentence phrasing and structure, not specifically whether deep air support is readily comprehensible to the ordinary reader or not.)

On Dank's viewpoint I've tweaked it around a bit, so that close air support is linked (again) and deep air support now has a (shorter) explanation of what it is, in parentheses.

However, at User talk:Dank#AV-8B Harrier II prose question, Sturmvogel rightly raises the question, is "deep air support" really a thing anyway, and should we be repeating the source's use of it? Can we just use the more normal phrasing? Please comment there.

(Sorry for fragmenting this a bit, seemed to make sense at the time!) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:13, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-28T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T19:13:00.000Z-AV-8B_-_deep_air_support_versus_battlefield_air_interdiction","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:16:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T19:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I am following the post over at Dank's talk page. Sorry for my lack of knowledge about the topic of aerial interdication -- I was, I think, using the terminology in Nordeen's book. I no longer have access to the publication, so I have to wait for Fnlayson to verify this issue. I agree with Sturm, and would like to see the wording changed to battlefield interdiction, but let's wait for Fnlayson's verification first.

One issue that might turn up at FAC is the use of "USMC" and "Marine Corps" -- I'm using the former to refer to the institution, while "Marine Corps" is used in the article to describe USMC-related material and divisions such as "Marine Corps F/A-18", "Marine Corps AV-8B", "Marine Corps 15th MEU" etc. What are your thoughts on such differences? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 05:16, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-29T05:16:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:16:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-10-28T19:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-30T12:28:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: Ping! --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 12:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T12:28:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-30T12:28:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-29T05:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-30T21:36:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-30T12:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll get back to this properly on, hopefully, Friday/Saturday. The article still needs quite a lot of work I think. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-30T21:36:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-10-30T21:36:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-30T12:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. The correct pronounciation of the word in Persian is "Emamzadeh", and not "Imamzadeh". I wanted to rename the article Imamzadeh to "Emamzadeh", but I saw that there is a disambiguation page with this title. Would you please rename Imamzadeh to "Emamzadeh". There are some aticles that have title "Imamzadeh", but there are also many articles that have correct pronounciation "Emamzadeh". About your second issue, "Emamzadeh" is completely different from "mosque" and we can not say mosque complex. About the reference you mentioned, the same reference refer to the whole article. If you mean that I should put it at the end of each paragraph, OK I'll do it. Diako1971 11:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

@Diako1971: I don't have a lot of knowledge regarding the transliteration of Persian words into English, but I do know that, with Arabic, there can be various English transliterations of the same Arabic word -- is it the case with this article? You would need to initiate a discussion at WT:ISLAM to sort out this issue regarding pronunciation and to inform others of your intent to move the articles which you think is wrongly titled. With respect to references, at the very minimum, you need to have one reference per paragraph, see WP:CITE for further information. Thoughts? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 08:08, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-10-31T08:08:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-10-31T08:08:00.000Z-Emamzadeh_Ahmad","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed that you removed a maintenance tag here, without addressing it per wp:lede. Nor did you leave an explanation in an edit summary. Was wondering why. Thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:04, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:04:00.000Z","author":"Epeefleche","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:04:00.000Z-Removal_of_maintenance_tag","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:15:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Epeefleche: The article does have a lead, as there is a definition of the topic in the very first sentence. As far as I know, it contains elements of the lead. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:15, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:15:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:15:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:18:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi. Nearly all of the text of the article is in one section at the beginning. If you look at wp:lede, it calls for a lead section before the table of contents and the first heading that serves as an introduction to the article and a summary of its most important aspects. What we have in the beginning of the article does not summarize what follows it in later sections. It is (nearly) the entire article, and not at all a summary of what follows.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:18, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Epeefleche","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:18:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:27:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Epeefleche: Well, considering that the Nokia Lumia 1520 is the same size as the leads of other article, it'd be quite redundant, I think, to summarize a topic that already has a limited coverage as it is. I'd wait until the phone is released and all the reviews are out before re-organizing the article so that it can have its own lead. For now, I'm willing to give the second and third paragraphs their own sections, but even that would only hinder the flow of the article. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:27:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:27:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:36:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Per wp:lede, I think it would be fine to simply have a lede of a sentence or so. As it is, it has none.--Epeefleche (talk) 23:36, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:36:00.000Z","author":"Epeefleche","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:36:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:47:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Epeefleche: I've moved the paragraphs, since much of what is written in the first para is only suitable for the lead. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:47, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-01T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:47:00.000Z-Epeefleche-2013-11-01T23:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Epeefleche-2013-11-02T00:02:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Looks great. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 00:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T00:02:00.000Z","author":"Epeefleche","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Epeefleche-2013-11-02T00:02:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-01T23:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So, what problem do you have with the Nexus 5 lead that I put in? You just reverted it without any explanation why. ViperSnake151  Talk  06:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T06:44:00.000Z","author":"ViperSnake151","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T06:44:00.000Z-nexus_5_lead","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T09:16:00.000Z-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T06:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ViperSnake151: I'm sorry, *I* reverted without any explanation? I should be asking you this question. What do you think "A reader would ask, 'Why is Google marketing an LG phone?'" was? --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 09:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T09:16:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T09:16:00.000Z-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T06:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T15:49:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T09:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

I meant the last reversion where you did not provide an explanation at all. So basically, because its a Nexus device, primary credit for it automatically goes to Google instead of LG? ViperSnake151  Talk  15:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T15:49:00.000Z","author":"ViperSnake151","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T15:49:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T09:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-03T00:03:00.000Z-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T15:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ViperSnake151: Yes. It's all in the name. LG agreed to omit "LG" from "Nexus 5", and Nexus is a Google brand. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-03T00:03:00.000Z-ViperSnake151-2013-11-02T15:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The first two sub-sections of the "Development" section go into a reasonable amount of detail about what was being developed, the changes in each phase of development, etc.

However, the parts of that section discussing the NA variant and the AV-8B Plus, do not spend a single word explaining what the NA or Plus variant are. Such details are entirely confined to the much later "Differences between versions" sub-section. This is inadequate, since anyone reading the development section would want to know at least something about the changes being made, without having to finish reading the article first.

Of course it's relatively easy to guess that the NA version had some sort of infra-red sensor added, but not that there were other significant changes too. Equally, one needs to be told that the main change in the Plus is a radar added in the nose, so that one knows what the private ventures and MoUs and programs and contracts are actually for.

Of course, the bulk of this detail needs to be kept in the later "Design" section where it is now, but there needs to be at least some mention of the essentials in the earlier part. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 11:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T11:43:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T11:43:00.000Z-AV-8B_-_lack_of_detail_in_later_parts_of_Development_section","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T11:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I've made the clarifications in this edit and this edit. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T11:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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In the fifth and sixth paragraphs of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#Further development, the fact that the last AV-8B was a remanufacture to Plus standards delivered to Spain in 2003, is repeated. I can't think how to restructure this, so please give it a try. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T13:27:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T13:27:00.000Z-Some_repetition_needs_fixing_re_last_delivery","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T13:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I've reworded the sentence and added the quote from Nordeen's book. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:51, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:51:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T13:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The last sentence of the first paragraph of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#End of production and further improvements is still substantially identical to the third sentence of the second paragraph of that section. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:58, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-09T12:58:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T12:58:00.000Z-Some_repetition_needs_fixing_re_last_delivery","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T12:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: Reworded. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 04:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T12:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The first sentence of the penultimate paragraph of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#United States Marine Corps seems to contradict the paragraph before it. If the USN purchased the 72 aircraft in November 2011, then the USMC were not thinking about acquiring the 72 aircraft in March 2012 - they already had them. The difference is what they were planning to do with them. Am I interpreting this correctly? Please make this section make sense. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 14:49, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T14:49:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T14:49:00.000Z-The_72_ex-Brit_Harriers","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:43:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T14:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: You got that right. The USN acquired British Harrier IIs for spare parts. AFM "confirmed" that the USMC intended to fly them. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:43:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:43:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T14:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Am I right in thinking these only "capture the reflected engine exhaust" when near the ground? (Penultimate paragraph of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#Overview) (just let me know and I'll tweak the text) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T18:23:00.000Z-Lift_improvement_devices_on_fuselage","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:29:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T18:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: Yes. Here's the quote from Flight International, "The strakes on the underside of the fuselage and the fence create an enclosure which captures the reflected jet exhaust during take off and landing." --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:29, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:29:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:29:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T18:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Another perhaps even more stupid question, were the initial AV-8Bs commonly known as the "Day Attack" variant even before the NA variant was proposed or available or widely used? I'm guessing not? (just let me know and I'll tweak the tense) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:16, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T19:16:00.000Z-commonly_known_as_Day_Attack","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:39:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T19:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: It wasn't an official name, so I've reworded the two instances of "Day Attack". --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:39, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:39:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T19:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Our article says "In June 1987, as a private venture, BAe, McDonnell Douglas and Smiths Industries signed an MoU for the development of what was to become the AV-8B Plus"

Our article also says "use voice commands to issue instructions to the aircraft, using a system developed by Smiths Aerospace"

Wikipedia says the two are totally different companies, and implies the first-named has little to do with aviation.

Should we be using Smiths Aerospace for both? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:00, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:00:00.000Z-AV-8B_..._smiths","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:08:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah, just realised they were not actually different at the time... perhaps? Is this certain, and if it is certain, can we make it clearer for the reader? Either way, we need to change where at least some of the wikilinks point to. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:08, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:08:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:59:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oops, the article uses "Smiths Industries". --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:59, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-02T23:59:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:59:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-02T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-03T00:16:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, great job on all of this! As you can see, there is lots to do, more to come when I get time. It's great to see the article looking so much better thanks to you and others. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 00:16, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T00:16:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-03T00:16:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-02T23:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-03T00:21:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-03T00:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I should be thanking you. Appreciate your work. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 00:21, 3 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-03T00:21:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-03T00:21:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-03T00:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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The last sentence of McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II#Airframe says that the use of composites improved the aircraft's performance "dramatically". Please can you check if the source cited says something equivalent to "dramatically" - I'm a little sceptical that a ~200kg weight saving can make a dramatic performance improvement on a ~10,000kg aircraft. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 13:55, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-09T13:55:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T13:55:00.000Z-Composite_sttructure_performance_improvements","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T13:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: Removed. The reduction in weight partly contributed to the enhanced operating characteristics -- the wing re-design had a bigger impact. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 04:34, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-10T04:34:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-09T13:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Sorry that I am asking you this but, is that Arnold in binaries numbers? Sorry. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 15:55, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T15:55:00.000Z","author":"Miss Bono","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Miss_Bono-2013-11-04T15:55:00.000Z-Question_about_your_userpage","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z-Miss_Bono-2013-11-04T15:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Miss Bono, nice to see you, this is 74. Actually, I'm halfway willing to bet the person in the numerals is Phil. Hard to tell with those big dark sunglasses, though.  :-) — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:35, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z-Miss_Bono-2013-11-04T15:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z","c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z-1"]}}-->

@Miss Bono: Indeed that is Arnold in binaries. I'm surprised the page didn't manage to crash your browser. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@74.192.84.101: +1 Log in so I can give you a Humour Barnstar :p --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 22:11, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:35:00.000Z-1","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T14:59:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aww, shucks. :-)   Thanks for the kind words Phil, but as it turns out, I'm philosophically opposed to logins, so no offense, but I must turn aside your kind offer into other channels. Please give Miss Bono the humor barnstar in my place. That'll give her a confidence-boost, and she does good work, so I can assure you she absolutely deserves it. As for myself, I already suffer from overconfidence, so your best bet with me is to stay as much in the critique-zone as you can. Call me 74, btw, easier to type. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 14:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-05T14:59:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T14:59:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T22:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Miss_Bono-2013-11-11T13:31:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T14:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Awww, thank you both :D And thanks for the barnstar :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 13:31, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-11T13:31:00.000Z","author":"Miss Bono","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Miss_Bono-2013-11-11T13:31:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T14:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, noticed your just-a-thought post over at WP:RETENTION. Sorry you got shot down.  :-)   For a project dedicated to pillar four, people are kinda prickly there. Anyways, I think your idea is great, not least because it's quite similar to *my* idea.  ;-)

Left you a reply over there, chiding you for saying "lesser roles" when clearly you just meant "fewer-bytes-per-edit-roles", and giving some military and software-engineering analogies for the central concept, that might help people de-pricklify their connotative interpretations. Further up the same talkpage, I already tried pitching team-superhero slash speed-dating ideas, which fell on deaf ears. You are already in the adopt-a-wikipedian project, right? Were you just thinking that WP:RETENTION was a good way to advertise that existing project, or are you thinking shorter-duration pairings can be made to work? Feel free to ping my talkpage, if you reply and I don't respond promptly. Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 17:42, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T17:42:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:42:00.000Z-airborne_paratrooper_and_mechinf_sniper","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T23:01:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the reply and support. You explained my thoughts really really well, better than I did. Yes I am in the adopt-a-Wikipedia, although that is going nowhere atm. My post had nothing to do with adoption though. I just thought my suggestion achieve two things:

get new editors involved in content creation straight away, and

lend support to existing content creators.

I really think short-duration pairings can work, but the specifics would need to be discussed first. Regards, --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 23:01, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-04T23:01:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T23:01:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-04T17:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T15:08:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T23:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, come discuss it then!  :-)     I'm in dire need of reinforcements. Suggest we pair up: you make the short comments that cut to the heart of the idea, and attract a lot of attention, and I'll follow along to mop up any perceived slights that your terseness accidentally provokes. But yes, your idea is spot on. Per the discussion with Anne Delong about her original days on wikipedia, suggest that a great place for beginning editors is the AfC submission queue. There are no WP:NINJA folks watching the articles in that queue, since they aren't in mainspace yet, after all. There are plenty of copy-edit errors, low-hanging-fruit that even a beginner will find a target-rich-environment. If you like this as a suggested operations-theatre for paired-wikihero missions, suggest it over on the WP:RETENTION talkpage, and we'll see if Anne likes the idea or not. Ping my talkpage if you need a mop-up operation to put something into more verbosity. (The one downside to being an anon is lack of a watchlist.) Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 15:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-05T15:08:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T15:08:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-04T23:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 5 November 2013, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Lockheed Martin SR-72, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the recently revealed Lockheed Martin SR-72, the successor to the SR-71, is designed to fly at six times the speed of sound? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Lockheed Martin SR-72. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Okay, my turn to stick my foot into my mouth.

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Editor_Retention#Just_a_thought:_pairing_up_editors_into_teams

User_talk:Anne_Delong#my_apologies

You made 101 sarcastic, I made one of our best editors think I was a pig-man. <cry>

((deleted a new idea... rather than wiki-pairing of two people, we should concentrate on wiki-teams of N people... where N is assumed to be five... but where the software *permits* N=2 and even N=1 "team"-sizes. I'll post a new section over on the talkpage, called 'wiki-pairing is bad but maybe wiki-teaming is good?' or somesuch. No offense! Because I think wiki-pairing is great....))

Anyways, I still think the core idea is a good scheme. I'll sit back a bit, and see if anybody else comments. You are welcome to hop in, of course, or gab with me here if you prefer. Thanks for improving wikipedia, see you around. p.s. In other news, Dennis the founder of WP:RETENTION has wikiRetired, saying the place just wasn't as fun as it used to be, in the good old days; see bottom of WP:RETENTION page. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:59, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-05T22:59:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T22:59:00.000Z-on_getting_shot_down_in_flames,_part_deux","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T22:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

The editor of the week thing was/is relatively organic, and although I initially said I'd never go near anything quite so cheesy (perhaps partly because some of the early attempted seletions were silly), the selfsame scheme later turned up on the talkpage of a new editor whom I greatly respect (and whose appearance greatly encouraged me) to award them exactly that award. Since then, my appreciation for that scheme has grown, and I think everyone should support it.

Phil had a thing, a while back, of awarding barnstars to people who help get an article to GA status. Again, this is largely organic (it starts with you deciding to do it, not part of a project or a templatespam), and it can have good effects.

The million award is a great and important thing, although much less aimed at newer editors.

I couldn't find any text referring to pig-men in the thread you linked. I'd sniper them like an entire mechanised infantry regiment if I did. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 23:16, 5 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-05T22:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z","c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:20:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Demiurge, nobody called me a chauvinist pig, but I accidentally made Anne Delong worry that either I was one, or more crucially, that a fun-pairing-project would be inherently male-does-the-content-creation, followed by female-maid-slash-cog-slash-servant. Not the intent. But people are *very* sensitive about this pairing-thing, either just from Real World Cultural Issues, or from previous interactions on wikipedia, or whatever. (Which is odd to me -- everybody seems fine with adultFosterParent who adopts helplessWeakFoolish n00bs, after all!) Anyways, I'm working out an offline draft for a space-shuttle-slash-platoon-squad rewrite of the concept, which is nominally five people teaming up... but the software-app also supports two... or even "solo teams". Anyways, appreciate your concern, but the <cry> was not referring to hurt feelings on my part, it was crying that I'm such a moron I didn't immediately grok what Anne was objecting to. Anyways, I think it's all straightened out between her and moi, but she *is* going to have to get used to being called by the ChevySweatSocks nickname she rhetorically self-assigned.      ;-)       74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@Demiurge1000: I've never thought that establishing a wikiproject to manage the recognition of editors for their work so as to retain them would ever work. Giving out barnstars and showing appreciation for people's work are mostly spontaneous and sincere acts (or "organic", if you will). An organized wikiproject such as WP:RETENTION would likely fail. Unless I have missed something, the WikiProject is also missing concrete objectives (eg x editors should be retained after y time) and so, I feel, there is a lack of purpose on the WP's talk page.

IMHO, in order to retain an editor, he or she needs to be engaged, meaning that somebody else must devote a significant amount of time communicating and working with that particular editor. This is why I suggested what user 74.192.84.101 has labelled a "pairing up" concept.

I have often contemplated leaving Wikipedia due to my lack of activity and engagement with other editors. Ultimately, I enjoy writing articles about aviation and therefore have decided to stay (for now though). Most new editors won't have much of a connection with what they are doing -- the decision to retire can be quite easy for them.

It'll be better, I think, to operate such a WikiProject on its leader's talk page to give it a sense of purpose, direction and sincerity.

@74.192.84.101: I think any such collaboration should take place over an extended period of time, perhaps for two to three weeks, involving two to three editors who would pick a topic or article to improve. I'm reading your comment over at WT:RETENTION and I think "fun-wiki-pairing for 30-minute-adventures" is way too short considering that we are trying to retain editors. On a different note, your assessment of me that reads, "Sp33dyphil is obviously not all that concerned with capitalization, spelling...", is slightly off. I am concerned with those aspects above -- just not my username ("Sp33dyphil" looks better and more unique than just "SpeedyPhil", haha). --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:20, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-06T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:20:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-05T23:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:46:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just another note, with over 1200 members over at MILHIST, it is embarrassing that we cannot do more. Let's say that 33% is inactive, that leaves us with 800 left, a huge number. Yet the WikiProject only churns out, what 20 to 30 GAs per month, and a lot of them are from the same editors, way below the potential of the project (I'm part of the problem too). Now it is unfair to only focus on GA output and not recognize the effort that on behind the scenes with cleaning up and classing articles. I only used an arbitrary yardstick, and could have used some other standard and yet my point would still stands -- the potential of the WikiProject is not exploited.

I've tried engaging some of member back in 2011 by inviting those from the Military Aviation task force to engage in a questionnaire of mine to increase productivity and collaboration. The questionnaire went nowhere because I did not follow up with those who responded. Nevertheless, I've tried to do something.

Armed forces rely on intelligence to plan their next action -- I think MILHIST, or even better, Wikipedia, should engage in more intelligence gathering to better understand the trends of the site and to get the most out of editors and their spare time.

OK, time to sign off. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 11:46, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-06T11:46:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:46:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the solid thinking folks. We mostly agree here, methinks. But let me put the disagreement into stark terms:

Example#1_A. Hey there, Phil, how are you, listen, I'm planning on doing some work on Talk:Liénard–Chipart_criterion which is a stub. It's aviation-related, the equations are used by the mathematicians that build electronic fire-control systems, which are in turn installed in aircraft, and then used by pilots. You need to drop everything you are working on, and devote the next two or three weeks to helping me get this mathematical stub up to GA status. There's six books of 800 pages of equations each, posted over on the talkpage... if we each take three, we'll be finished reading them by Friday! Phil? Where are you going! Come back Phil, don't leave me!!!

   Example#1_B. Hey, are you free for 15 minutes? We can pair up, I'll be the joystick-pilot first, there's this math-stub I wanna expand, then you be the joystick-pilot, and we can work 15 minutes on the Harrier jump-jet article, or whatever you pick. Sound fun? (You can play the 'official' random-partner style of fun-fast-pairing-game ten times in a month, using the software-app, and then just 'unofficially' hang out in 30-minute chunks with folks you liked most. Best of both worlds.)

Nothing says folks cannot *replay* the same mission-scenario, for another 15-or-30-minute-chunk... and another, and another. If I get tired and go to bed, or bored of aviation and go off to do something else, some other person might pair up with you, or you might continue alone. You and I might pick up the pair-game the next night, or even every night for three weeks. Or not; the players choose the total duration, by choosing how many times they play on that team.

   But methinks it is crucially important to make the chunksize small, on the order of minutes: small enough that a beginning editor, who does not know if they'll even *like* hanging out with some stranger and doing something nerdy like improving an encyclopedia fercrapsakes... those people might be willing to devote 15 mins, even 30 mins, but two weeks? No way. There's nothing that says you cannot make it a *season* full of team-gaming the fun-wiki-hero-way, with times scheduled in advance and points-awarded (and organic barnstars and pair-master-of-the-week and so on as Demiurge mentions) all around at the end of the 'season' or the 'league' or whatever. But at first, to make it accessible to beginners, and not time-prohibitive for experts, I think fun quick teaming is valuable. There are pro basketball games, Olympic basketball, college basketball, high school basketball, organized community league basketball, and so on... but pick-up games amongst friends are the *best* kind of basketball. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-06T22:17:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-06T11:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Hey 74... I'm the guy checking for things that need fixing in the AV-8B article. Want to fix those things? Go ahead, and please let Phil know when you have done so. I'm also checking for prose problems in that article (there are a few I can see easily, and some more that I can't)... again, if you know anyone that can see such things easily then you should ask them to help? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 04:20, 10 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-10T04:20:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-11-10T04:20:00.000Z-Fun-quick-teaming,_prototype_number_one,_beta_phase...._mission_assignment:_impr","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:53:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-10T04:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Session#1. Okay, I made some changes. See if you like this attempt, then ping my talkpage.[3] Just messed w/ first 3 paragraphs. p.s. There was somebody I noticed who was just getting started, doing some language-fixing-work on missiles.[4] They aren't addicted yet, but maybe a few short sessions with the three of us, will get them that far.  :-)    74.192.84.101 (talk) 18:53, 11 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-11T18:53:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:53:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-10T04:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-12-07T22:45:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, I never ended up having time to deal with this. My initial idea was to put a copy of the article in my userspace so that you/we could mess around with it there. However, Phil has now nominated it at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II/archive2 so that's the best place to discuss improvements for the time being. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:45, 7 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-12-07T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2013-12-07T22:45:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2013-11-11T18:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-74.192.84.101-2014-01-03T19:08:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-12-07T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Funny, same thing happened to me.  :-)   I meant to come back and mess with adding the political angle, and finding the horsepower figures, and some other tweaks, then got sucked into a vortex... one after the other. I'm still working on my five-person-nominally-but-as-few-as-one-can-play scheme for fun-quick-wiki-teaming. At least SpeedyPhil hasn't scooped me on that yet. <grin> But congratulations on getting to FA status, that is awesome-possum, as the kids are saying nowadays. Wait. They don't say that anymore? Oh. Um... do they still say gee whillikkers? Ah, I see. I'll just be moving along now.  ;-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 19:08, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-03T19:08:00.000Z","author":"74.192.84.101","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-74.192.84.101-2014-01-03T19:08:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-12-07T22:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2014-01-03T19:59:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2014-01-03T19:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Careful, your identity is showing through a little there ;)

So, will you and Phil be starting on the other jump-jet articles next? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:59, 3 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-01-03T19:59:00.000Z","author":"Demiurge1000","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Demiurge1000-2014-01-03T19:59:00.000Z-74.192.84.101-2014-01-03T19:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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@Demiurge1000: Please insert your co-nomination statement over at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II/archive2. --Sp33dyphil ©^hat_ontributions 02:28, 27 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-11-27T02:28:00.000Z","author":"Sp33dyphil","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-27T02:28:00.000Z-Demiurge1000-2013-11-27T01:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Demiurge1000-2013-12-07T22:47:00.000Z-Sp33dyphil-2013-11-27T02:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

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