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@Slywriter, I see you have reverted some edits on Qamar Javed Bajwa's page. And you wrote the reason for reverting that the policy base reason was not given even though I clearly wrote why I am removing the text. Traitor trending on Twitter against the general and journalist Arshad Sharif's mother accusing the general of murder are routine and politically biased news, and it does not include any point of view from the general and besides Arshad Sharif's assassination case is still going on in the court which is yet to be decided.

If you read the general's talk page carefully, a political party in Pakistan and its followers have started a propaganda campaign against the general and they want to include this in the article. This is clear BLP violation and consider WP:NOTNEWS WP:ROUTINE news. I was very surprised You reverted these edits without doing any research. If you want input on this, please discuss on the general talk page. M.Ashraf333 (talk) 10:14, 8 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230208101400","author":"M.Ashraf333","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-M.Ashraf333-20230208101400-Qamar_Javed_Bajwa_edits_revert","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230208131000-M.Ashraf333-20230208101400"]}}-->

M.Ashraf333, What I see is you blindly reverting multiple editors based on your false opinion that the Courts are required to weigh in before Wikipedia can cover a topic. If Reliable Sources are covering corruption concerns about a public figure, that's legitimate information for an encyclopedia. And last I checked, accusing someone of corruption and being a traitor is not routine. Slywriter (talk) 13:10, 8 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230208131000","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230208131000-M.Ashraf333-20230208101400","replies":[]}}-->

[1] I'm requesting you back up this claim with sources or strike it, as it appears to be a complete and utter falsehood. No source = WP:OR DN (talk) 03:03, 12 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230212030300","author":"Darknipples","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darknipples-20230212030300-DN_concern","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230212035200-Darknipples-20230212030300"],"displayName":"DN"}}-->

Darknipples, Please show where the alleged 'utter falsehood' is. NYPost is not a source for politics, it is not used in this article and the "October Surprise" brought this matter into the public eye. So either show the falsehood or retract your claim here. Slywriter (talk) 03:52, 12 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230212035200","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230212035200-Darknipples-20230212030300","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230212050200-Slywriter-20230212035200"]}}-->

After reading your rfc comment, I'm genuinely confused as to your concern with this statement. Chances of getting local or community consensus on anything controversial published by NY Post is close to nil, given it's listing at WP:RSP. Look at Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Kamilah Harris, Mike Pence, Twitter Files, Saddam Hussein. You will find WaPo, maybe even HuffPo but no NYPo. Slywriter (talk) 05:02, 12 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230212050200","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230212050200-Slywriter-20230212035200","replies":[]}}-->

Perhaps I misunderstood your claim. The NYP was first to break the HBL controversy AFAIK. Are you saying this is not the case? While the NYP may not be used as a direct source, it is still being used/referred to by secondary sources to follow this controversy. It is quite the "loophole" (for lack of a better term) for a generally unreliable source to make it's way into WP, as catalyst at the very least IMO. DN (talk) 21:19, 12 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230212211900","author":"Darknipples","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darknipples-20230212211900-DN_concern","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230213045100-Darknipples-20230212211900","c-Slywriter-20230213045200-Darknipples-20230212211900"],"displayName":"DN"}}-->

Dn, the NY Post did indeed break the story. However, investigative journalism is a primary source by policy. So it immediately starts with limited use.

Add in it's reputation and it becomes almost impossible to use as a source for controversial statements including/especially in the HBL article.

Secondary sources are being used to interpret the article as we would on other subjects.

Can see that as a loophole but really a lot of the exclusion comes from being a primary source.

As to generally unreliable, the ruling is actually quite narrow, but in practice eliminates it as sole source for any political fact.

Not saying I agree with all of this, but it's a fair assessment of the reality of the NY Post on Wikipedia.

Think that covers it all. If there's still something in the statement that concerns you, let me know.

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Darknipples ping Slywriter (talk) 04:52, 13 February 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230213045200","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230213045200-Darknipples-20230212211900","replies":[]}}-->

FWIW - There's is going to be a 'small' number of editors who'll never accept that Hunter Biden owned the laptop. GoodDay (talk) 02:18, 14 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214021800","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoodDay-20221214021800-H._Biden,_the_saga_continues","replies":["c-Slywriter-20221214024900-GoodDay-20221214021800"]}}-->

GoodDay, it's incredibly frustrating as there is no good reason to hide the owner of the laptop. It doesn't change the story and hiding it in the face of overwhelming coverage by RS just makes Wikipedia look like it does indeed have a US left-wing bias, as opposed to the general liberal bias, we are soooo proud of. /s Slywriter (talk) 02:49, 14 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214024900","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20221214024900-GoodDay-20221214021800","replies":["c-GoodDay-20221214025100-Slywriter-20221214024900"]}}-->

Well, we've got 1RR DS for that page, thank goodness. GoodDay (talk) 02:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214025100","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GoodDay-20221214025100-Slywriter-20221214024900","replies":["c-Slywriter-20221214025900-GoodDay-20221214025100"]}}-->

GoodDay, yeah just have to solve the riddle that is filing an AE Report. Seriously, did nobody ever learn less is more before writing the comments. Then once you figure out how to file, hope an Admin cares to get involved as it's clear the community has decided to leave editors fending for themselves. Yes, I am a tad annoyed that ANI has ignored the issues. Slywriter (talk) 02:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214025900","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Slywriter-20221214025900-GoodDay-20221214025100","replies":["c-GoodDay-20221214030200-Slywriter-20221214025900"]}}-->

Will be interesting, to see how the ongoing RFC concludes. GoodDay (talk) 03:02, 14 December 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214030200","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-GoodDay-20221214030200-Slywriter-20221214025900","replies":[]}}-->

I thank you for not deleting/hatting my post, which is a response to TFD's post. It's frustrating when an editor tries to control a talkpage. GoodDay (talk) 05:09, 8 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108050900","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoodDay-20230108050900-H._Biden,_the_saga_continues","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230108053600-GoodDay-20230108050900","c-Slywriter-20230108053700-GoodDay-20230108050900"]}}-->

I didn't see it as off topic. Also, I'm quite tired of those looking to immediately start a fight instead of a discussion. Slywriter (talk) 05:36, 8 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108053600","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230108053600-GoodDay-20230108050900","replies":[]}}-->

GoodDay Ping Slywriter (talk) 05:37, 8 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108053700","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230108053700-GoodDay-20230108050900","replies":["c-GoodDay-20230108054400-Slywriter-20230108053700"]}}-->

Well, I've re-worded my post. To put an end to the deleting/hatting attempts. GoodDay (talk) 05:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230108054400","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GoodDay-20230108054400-Slywriter-20230108053700","replies":[]}}-->

Moved DN concern to separate thread.

It's not gonna end, until (IMHO) one editor gets banned from the page or at least its talkpage. PS - No need to respond to me. GoodDay (talk) 02:19, 18 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230318021900","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoodDay-20230318021900-H._Biden,_the_saga_continues","replies":["c-Slywriter-20230318030500-GoodDay-20230318021900"]}}-->

@GoodDay, :) As far as I can tell talk page disruption is not an AE enforceable matter, otherwise it would have been opened today. ANI pointless for AP2 incivil content disputes and as one admin opined in an unrelated matter today 'can just ignore them' on the talk page. So, really just waiting for this pop on a noticeboard. Sources are clear that it's his laptop. Clearer than many realize after today. But if others want to fight a futile battle, so be it. Slywriter (talk) 03:05, 18 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230318030500","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230318030500-GoodDay-20230318021900","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there,

Would it be possible to speak to you about the [Industrial laundry] article being blanked please? There are significant differences between residential and industrial laundry, take a look at some of the machinery needed for instance (on photos on the article).

The fact that I haven't spotted it until 8 years later doesn't make a difference, I've spotted it now. I thought all of the sources I'd added would've helped?

What do I need to do to get this to a state where you don't say it's unsourced please? I've made about 20 edits to it but you've rolled back all of them.

Thanks!

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@Control-alt-delete, actual independent sourcing. Restoring an unsourced mess and tacking on a few sources in random places does not accomplish anything. The original article should likely be forgotten and a new one written, if the topics are different and such differences are covered in reliable sources. Slywriter (talk) 15:58, 17 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230317155800","author":"Slywriter","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Slywriter-20230317155800-Control-alt-delete-20230317153600","replies":["c-Control-alt-delete-20230323000800-Slywriter-20230317155800"]}}-->

Hi, I added a large number of sources. Many of these were independent in the sense they came from government authorities websites. I’m not sure what I can do other than continue to add more sources? They’re not in random places, and many of the sources I added appear to be the original places they were written. I’ll add some more sources at some point soon then ping you once I’ve done it; when I have some more time. Thanks! Control-alt-delete ★ user◾talk◾favs 00:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230323000800","author":"Control-alt-delete","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Control-alt-delete-20230323000800-Slywriter-20230317155800","replies":[],"displayName":"user"}}-->

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