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Hi. I see that you've proposed these articles for deletion. Both plays featured in the US Open Cup, which has always been enough in the past to reach notability guidelines. Has their been a unanimous decision on this not been enough now?

Cheers. UncleTupelo1 (talk) 21:03, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

WOuld you be able to help out with the 1974–75 Hertha BSC season article? League matches and the cup matches for players stats is what needs to be done. Kingjeff (talk) 03:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Ooops, my bad, thanks for letting me know. GiantSnowman 13:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sir Sputnik. Just a note to let you know that I've declined the WP:G4 request for this page - the current version of the page differs from the previously deleted in that it claims Santos now plays for Beşiktaş J.K.. Since Beşiktaş is in the Süper Lig, this denotes notability per WP:NFOOTY, meaning that the reasons given for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Santos are no longer appropriate. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:04, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ignore that - you're right, I'm wrong. I've now deleted the page; sorry for making you jump through hoops like that. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:03, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sir Sputnik, I was viewing the AfD for Richard Shaw and noticed that one of the participants listed the MISL as a fully professional league at WP:FPL. You removed it, citing a lack of evidence. Well, I'm not too familiar with how we gauge whether a league is professional, but the MISL's About page refers to itself as professional several times. So is there a distinction between professional and fully professional? Perhaps the MISL only pays players a nominal sum, making it technically professional. Or did you require secondary sources referring to the league as professional? --BDD (talk) 16:58, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Ok, received your notes in the talk section... Let's start with Bencun. Ignoring the fact that he's a youth international with a professional contract, he HAS in fact debuted in a fully pro league last week, so the main reason stated is invalid and I've removed the deletion stamp.

Vugdelija has admittedly been without a cap in a fully pro league so far, and hasn't been a youth international, but he is the second-choice goalkeeper of a pro club in a pro league, with a professional contract, and may debut any day now. Tomičić, Banić, Mikanović and Peričić are all (current) youth internationals. Mikanović is a member of the first team squad (visible on the club site) who can make his debut any time now too, especially as he's playing in a critical position for the club, and it would be crazy to delete an article on grounds that will likely become invalid in a month's time at most. So, Banić and Peričić have, in my mind, somewhat valid reasons to be deleted according to that. They have both been joined to the first team, and carry stipend contracts which have a clause that might turn them into pro contracts at any given moment, but have been sent off on loan to a second-tier club, which means that they won't make their debut in the first league that soon. Again, they are youth internationals, with Peričić being the more "media-covered" one than Banić, with contracts with a pro club.

That's how the situation looks like. I'll do my best to expand their article if that was one of the issues that caused them to be stamped for deletion. Zlopseto (talk) 18:40, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Both players played in a fully pro league (Serbian First League) for FK Teleoptik. (Nightwolf87 (talk) 20:53, 8 September 2012 (UTC))

Ok, thanks, I won't contest the deletion of the others. The Bencun brothers should by all means stay. As is obvious, I'm not fully acquainted with the possibilities and the rules of Wikipedia, so all that input was appreciated. Thanks! Zlopseto (talk) 12:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm a football illiterate but somehow I managed to notice an AFD template on Pep Team. I thought that WP:Football members would want to weigh in on it. I felt OK about adding a WP:Football template to the article talk page, but wasn't comfortable adding an entry under article alerts on the WP:Football page -- not being a member of the project. Anyway, you seemed an active member of the project and will know the appropriate action to take. Susfele (talk) 16:50, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sir Sputnik. Wondered if you could offer you views on Jak Alnwick, currently nominated for speedy deletion under WP:G4? The situation's similar to that of Christian Santos, and your grasp of that was so good that I immediately thought of you as the best person to ask for advice here. The new page is not substantially similar to the deleted version (it's a lot shorter, for starters), but the important bit is that it newly claims (in the text, not the infobox) that he's now made his debut for Newcastle F.C.. That would put him over the bar for WP:NFOOTY, but it was a pre-season match. In your view would that constitute an appearance in a fully professional league (and hence a pass of the notability criteria) or not? I don't know enough about the intricacies of football to make the call. Cheers for any input you can offer, Yunshui 雲‍水 13:12, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Your tagging of blocked user articles - Mnftfc doesn't seem to be blocked to me. And there's no banned notice on his/her pages. You may know something I don't. I don't go in ANI etc very much. Peridon (talk) 20:30, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Without any obvious evidence like what you've mentioned, I won't delete them, and have declined all of them. SchuminWeb (Talk) 22:43, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Why did you delete the "Mustafa Kayabaşı" page although he's got a match in a fully pro league?

Are you kidding to me? You know that Farrelly have already played in a FULLY PROFESSIONAL LEAGUE, so SHE CAN'T BE NOMINATED FOR DELETION. What do you want? To nominate,every page I've created for deletion. I'm just trying to work to improve this encyclopedia. --SirEdimon (talk) 00:08, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thank you for patrolling new pages. Before tagging with BLPPROD, please remember to check if a previous one wasn't already removed by the creator as it was at Demir Spica. All you need to do is restore it manually, which will avoid placing a duplicate warning on the user's talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I've contested this PROD - he made 2 Cup appearances for Nancy, reference added. Cheers, GiantSnowman 18:31, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

The player has been in a fully pro league in turkish 3rd division for 31 matches. Turkish 3rd division is a fully professional league.

As it clearly published that turkish 3rd division is a fully professional league. This is the official rule paper of the divison. and here it declres that turkish 3rd division is a fully proffessional league. Just same as turkish super league, turkish first division or turkish second division.

http://www.tff.org/Resources/TFF/Documents/000013/TFF/STATULER/TFF3Lig-Statusu-Son.pdf

I'm not sure why you expect a citation for personal information (height), but citation added, please do not revert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.107.190.215 (talk) 21:25, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sir Sputnik. Thank you for your work on patrolling new pages and tagging for speedy deletion. I'm just letting you know that I declined your deletion request for Robbie Crawford (footballer), a page that you tagged for speedy deletion, because the criterion you used or the reason you gave does not cover this kind of page. Please take a moment to look at the suggested tasks for patrollers and review the criteria for speedy deletion. Particularly, the section covering non-criteria. Such pages are best tagged with proposed deletion, proposed deletion for biographies of living persons, or sent to the appropriate deletion discussion. Not identical to a page already deleted per a deletion discussion. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:04, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Jonathan Meades (footballer), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: a reference has been added to show that he has now played at the right level to pass NFOOTY. Thank you. JohnCD (talk) 11:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, Sir Sputnik. Nearly two years ago you nominated Stanislav Pedõk and Joonas Tamm for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Henri Anier. Both articles were deleted, but both have now been re-created. I am not deleting them under speedy deletion criterion G4 (recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion) because it looks to me as though the subjects of the articles may now be more notable than they were at the time of the AfD. However, I thought it worth while letting you know, so that you can consider whether you wish to nominate them for deletion again. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:30, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Go f**k yourself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Janaxperjan (talk • contribs) 22:53, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for catching the incorrect PROD and contesting it. I didn't realize that the second-tier Brazilian league is considered pro! It was right there in the reference I gave. Cheers. §FreeRangeFrog 23:40, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, just letting you know I removed the prod from the above article as it has been previously listed at Articles for Deletion.

Thank you. Rotten regard Softnow 03:27, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Sanukran thinjom this 's real profile,and he's play on real league.Why delete???   Joh00911 (talk) 12:00, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi there SS, AL here (not retired after all, just editing much less),

about the message you sent this user (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Creed7#Proposed_deletion_of_Jos.C3.A9_Luis_Gay.C3.A1), just dropping by to notify you he re-created the article in question when the player is still NON-NOTABLE, did the same thing with another Valencia CF Mestalla footballer.

Attentively, happy week - --AL (talk) 04:00, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi - I've undone the inappropriate bundling, you might wish to revisit your comments at this AFD. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:45, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello. Courtesy notification that I removed your CSD#G5 of the above, on the grounds that G5 applies to articles created in violation of a ban or block, with no substantial edits by others. This one does have substantial edits by others, namely me: when it was prodded some months ago, I added enough sourced content to confirm notability. While I understand the point of speedying poor-quality or disruptive creations by blocked/banned users, having suffered from a couple of serial offenders in my time, this article is (now) adequately sourced, and the subject passes WP:NFOOTY by having played in Liga I. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:53, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I cannot find out how to insert a team logo on its page. May you help me with this topic?

I apologize for removing the tag on the page. I thought that was required after making corrections to notify you that corrections had been made.

I did not mean to offend you. Please excuse my misunderstanding of how the editing process works.

I apologize for removing the tag on the page. I thought that was required after making corrections to notify you that corrections had been made.

I did not mean to offend you. Please excuse my misunderstanding of how the editing process works.

Blueheffner (talk) 22:23, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

	Le gach dea-ghui i gcomhair na nollag agus na h-ath bhliana! "With Best Wishes for Christmas and the New Year!" ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:14, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand your rationale as "fully professional" does not exist as a saying in Hebrew. Unless you can prove otherwise, I think the IFA should be a trusted source, no? -NYC2TLV (talk) 03:04, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Doh! Thanks for letting me know. I was using User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD, the script missed it because it wasn't a redirect to the article but rather its talk page. I'll know for the future now. :) KTC (talk) 18:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, looking at your comments at this AfD, I think you mean the opposite of what you wrote. In case you didn't, please accept my apologies. Thanks, C679 10:19, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I am the creator of the wikipedia page 'Sean Gannon (footballer)' and you sent me a message saying add references, so I did, and then I removed all the deletion stuff. Then you send me a message saying you can remove '{proposed deletion/dated}' but I'm confused in what I can delete (AKA i dont get what that is) also, can't you just get rid of it yourself as I have added references anyway. Boomage (talk) 16:17, 9 January 2013 (UTC) Boomage

I wasn't aware that there was an issue over international appearances. NFT says 2 caps, MTN says 3. GiantSnowman 17:34, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello could you tell me why this is up for deletion, as its all correct info and stats? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bucks104 (talk • contribs) 17:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Damnit I can't believe I did that. Thanks for pointing it out. I went back and fixed it. For some reason it just felt like the 30th and it sort of threw me off. – Michael (talk) 19:24, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

South korean professional football launched in 1983. Thus, Many famous old player also don't have fully professional career. Choi Ki-Bong was legend player of South korean football including professional and international career. You made a mistake so I remove tag. Have a nice day.Footwiks (talk) 10:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

How are you? Once ago, I wrote comments in Talk:Itaru Ishida, please read it. Be with your good Manas!--111.89.21.9 (talk) 14:36, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Easier said than done, we have to try and help this user understand why the article is non-notable. However, I've already given up on the OTHERSTUFF element of the page... GiantSnowman 15:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Please try. Tomorrow I will write another article about sports awards and you will say "not notable". Give me the explanation of the borders between notable and non-notable sports awards from Category:Association football trophies and awards. NickSt (talk) 15:53, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Thought you'd like to know another user is directly copy-pasting your comments from an AfD as his comments in another here. Thanks, C679 19:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Bitte beachte Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people)#Disambiguating. Dort sind unter anderem Roger Meddows Taylor und James Stephen Smith als Beispiele angegeben, bei denen in ähnlichen Fällen der volle Name als Lemma verwendet wird und kein Klammerlemma, das so von Niemandem eingegeben wird. --Yoda1893 (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 04:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I think you missed his all-so-important pair of appearences for FK Metalurg Skopje. You might double-check that, though. --j⚛e decker^talk 02:14, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me, but firstly I did not remove the speed deletion tag, it was someone called Mentoz86, which you will notice if actually checked the history page (have linked for you convenience http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hassan_Bashir&action=history).

Second of all I did contest the speedy deletion, which again you will notice if you checked the talk page (have linked for you convenience http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hassan_Bashir).

Note, I am more than happy to wait for the admins to come to a decision if that is required, but please the next time you start throwing accusations around you should actually check first. Thanks Nabs (talk) 18:31, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem. Please feel free to add the speedy deletion tag if you think it should still remain. Nabs (talk) 18:42, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Toni Pressley, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article is not substantially the same as the deleted version. A new deletion discussion is required. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 16:43, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I added some references to the article and dePRODded it. —rybec 04:25, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I noticed that you PRODded this. Can I ask you why? Is it because the Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina is not on the WikiProject Football list? I am newish to New Page patrol and would have been inclined to approve it - I just want to make sure I am not making mistakes. Thanks. Gbawden (talk) 11:15, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for this. Gbawden (talk) 06:12, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:PROD#Nominating The instructions for proposing deletion ask us to leave an edit summary. Here you may have forgotten to.I wrote to the wrong person. —rybec 20:42, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello. You may have made an assumption here. I removed the copyvio content again yesterday, and at the same time added a references section containing a link to the copyvio-ed item, a lengthy interview with the subject by a recognised sports writer on a reputable media outlet. The interview verifies enough of the infobox content to clearly justify my removal of the BLP prod, both yesterday and again a minute ago. As to the creator, it seems like an issue of competence to me: they just don't seem to understand that references are needed to verify content in an article. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:52, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

That makes sense then: thought it was a bit odd you'd replaced the BLP prod when as far I was concerned the page was ref'd. That link does work for me (must have worked for the creator, as well, seeing as they kept copying from it) but I've added a sentence about his being a former Philippines national team manager and thus definitely notable, ref'd to 2 online newspapers. So hopefully now I'll never have to look at the page again :-) cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

In sweden, Division 2 and above are considered as proffessionall (SEMI-PRO). and all div 2 players and above have wikipedia sites right now. even amateur players have their own biography sites. this is my answer to your message about deleting the page.. please answer on the "Atilla Engin Köksal" page.

"Contested PROD. Concern was Fails WP:NFOOTY as he has not played in a competitive, first-team match for a fully professional club and also fails WP:GNG due to a sheer lack of reliable, third-party sources. PROD was contested on the grounds that he had played in fully professional matches. This is false. He has never played above the fourth level of the Swedish football pyramid, with the first level being the only one that is fully pro. Sir Sputnik (talk) 22:33, 31 March 2013 (UTC)" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Swedenfootballtalents (talk • contribs)

Hi Sir Sputnik, will you be taking all of the players from Category:2013 African U-20 Championship players to AfD? I was thinking of the best way to deal with them. I saw your AfD, but it only concerns a small number. Thanks, C679 20:18, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Also, many of the articles you have prodded are for professional players in national teams. Please stop claiming non-notability for those which are clearly notable. Prods don't seem like a reasonable approach to this (and is cluttering User:Crosstemplejay's talk page)Sadads (talk) 22:58, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Please provide a link to the discussion about the removal of the entire section in the articles [1][2]. Is such a discussion and consensus exists? Subtropical-man (talk) 17:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

I waiting for your reply.... Subtropical-man (talk) 18:29, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi there SS, how's it going?

after all your hard work in (trying to) reach(ing) out to User:Alexanderalgrim, you might be interested in reading this message (please see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:GiantSnowman#Sad_x_2). "Interesting" no?

Keep it up from Portugal --AL (talk) 15:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

He has not played in a fully pro league so you have flagged it for deletion? It was just one paragraph when I viewed it, so I made it much more healthy. The Football Conference is a very prestigious league in English football, and all of my info situated on the page is reliably sourced and for that matter correct. Please advise. Bscott 996 (talk) 22:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

Many thanks Sir Sputnik, sorry I am new to all this so I didn't really understand all the wiki jargon. Cheers for clearing it all up I understand now. Bscott 996 (talk) 00:14, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:2012–13 Fußball-Bundesliga table has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kingjeff (talk) 16:28, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:2012–13 2. Fußball-Bundesliga table has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kingjeff (talk) 19:39, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi - I just wanted to point out that per WP:BLANKING, it was entirely acceptable for Loubnan (talk · contribs) to blank out the warnings and notices which you restored on that talk page. There is some discussion in an RFC about removal of discussions related to an ongoing block - but nothing requires the user to keep warnings or notices about page deletions. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 21:26, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

I would like to know your view about the necessity of assists tables in league articles here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Assists_in_season_article. --BoguSlav 15:25, 26 May 2013 (UTC)

Way back on 6 July 2012‎, you put a PROD on Denis Ventura, and I duly deleted it. Following a request from on my talk page, I have now restored the article. JamesBWatson (talk) 18:07, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:2012–13 UEFA Champions League group D standings has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kingjeff (talk) 01:44, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Template:FAI League of Ireland Premier Division 2008 Table has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Kingjeff (talk) 03:40, 8 June 2013 (UTC)

The Nigerian league may not be fully-professional, please see this. GiantSnowman 08:29, 10 June 2013 (UTC)

not until 1 July. He takes the helm on 26 June, but the idea was correct. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:31, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Please help me protect page [3]. Certain people constantly vandalize the page and removed the official logo. If im on wrong place please redirect this issue to someone who can help. Thank you. Toni Tomas (talk) 13:00, 13 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello mate, could you please provide your opinion on including caretaker managers like Brian Kidd in the Club Managers template on Template talk:Manchester City F.C. managers#Brian_Kidd. I am trying to build consensus and your input is invaluable. Thanks. JMHamo (talk) 20:26, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

I will need to do a bit of digging for a killer ref but there are a few that indicate not all teams were fully pro.

• Golightly, Doug (5 December 2003). "Get a clue Kingz". The Truth. In fact, our semi-professional team playing in the National Soccer League are a poor excuse for a sporting outfit. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help) (subscription required)
• "Ivanisevic may play for Knights in NSL". Illawarra Mercury. 11 September 2001. He will arrive in Australia in November for the summer tennis tournaments during the NSL season, with the semi-professional league offering Ivanisevic an ideal testing ground for his soccer ability. (subscription required)
• Lynch, Michael. "The lure of Victory". Retrieved 21 June 2013. While some of the old NSL's big names might have been pulling in more than that, $85,0000 (sic) would be double the average salary picked up by most part-time and semi-professional players in the old league.
• Gardiner, James (1 June 2001). "United stars face tough call on wages". Newcastle Herald. Retrieved 21 June 2013. For the squad of 20 players, that averages $60,000 a player, which is the average full-time NSL contract. The average part-time NSL contract is $35,000

Hack (talk) 08:30, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Back in December 2011 you PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so per WP:DEL#Proposed deletion I have restored it, and now notify you in case you wish to consider AfD. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:49, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Darko Berjan, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not blatantly vandalism or a hoax. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 17:43, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

If you see any editors cropping up again and again as creating non-notable articles then I'd advise you to send them a message regaring notability, something along the lines of this, to see if we can stop all the work for everyone involved in deleting them... GiantSnowman 16:45, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Warum trainieren denn die Mannschaften schon seit Tagen und absolvieren Testspiele mit ihren neuen Spielern, obwohl du noch 6 Stunden vor 24 Uhr auf die alten Kader zurücksetzt? --93.209.79.99 (talk) 17:49, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Good day sir,

I just wanted to calmly contest the decision to delete the article for Laurențiu Brănescu that I created yesterday evening. I was entirely aware that the article was previously created and also subsequently deleted, however, I believe that the player is now credible enough to obtain an article space on Wikipedia, and I did not create the article with any use of false information or un-notable material. Branescu has 3 full, first-team professional appearances to his name (thus making him noteworthy) and has recently completed a transfer to S.S. Juve Stabia in the Italian Serie B, where he is likely to be a starter following the departure of Timothy Nocchi. All of my information was accurate and also all of my references are cited on the page. Please feel free to contact me back after researching more on the issue. Being that I was not the original composer of the page that was previously deleted, I hope that you will consider my protest to delete this article after the efforts that I put for to abide by all criteria.

Thank you, Juve10 (talk) 17:29, 3 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I have noticed that you proposed some articles that I created (namely Mikhail Kravchuk (footballer), Syarhey Ignatovich, Dzyanis Lebedzew) for deletion but then reverted them back. Just want to clarify - was it by mistake or was there any purpose? -BlameRuiner (talk) 08:12, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Shaun Pearson, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: This version is considerably different to the previous version, and there are a lot more sources, some of which may be enough for teh GNG. This needs to go to AfD if you think it should be deleted. . Thank you. GedUK  12:16, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Why exactly did you -revert- the edit to indicate the page was a stub? It is definitely no longer a stub, having references and providing at least a short overview. It may not be C, but it defintely isn't a stub anymore. Madcynic (talk) 17:37, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree, and have requested an assessment on the WP:Footy page. Hope that is okay with you. Madcynic (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

I found an article that has grounds to be deleted but the process for nominating it is just to complicated and I cant figure it out. Check out Sun Glow Window Coverings Products of Canada Ltd.. Its basically and page advertising this company and it only has sources from the company website and no good 3rd party sources. I would really appreciate the help. Thanks!

hello I seen you have put the page for Antonio Bujcevski for deletion ... i edit that page ... i know him he plays for the club i support ... if anything is wrong with the page you can help me make it better ... i will provide new info for him to update the page . thanks

but i tell to him the league is fully pro ... he can check or he can send a mail to the football federation of macedonia to check that. the article meets the criteria

I have noted that you have been reviewing the articles on the Missouri Valley soccer tournament. Just letting you know that 2009 Missouri Valley Conference Men's Soccer Tournament has been nominated for deletion by some guy from New Zealand... none of the others, just 2009. Thought you might wish to add your comments at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2013 July 7... GWFrog (talk) 04:38, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits to this article. I have added two further references to provide evidence of notability, one from a Chilean national newspaper (emol.com, the website of El Mercurio) and the other from Chile's Fifa site. Please do not delete this article without consulting with me - happy to discuss further and seek out further evidence if needed. Would be grateful if you could remove the proposed deletion notice. Thank you.Teamdulwich (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi

Why did you revert my edit in 2013-14 UEFA Champions League? Qed237 (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Sir Sputnik. Back in July last year, you put a PROD on the article Andrés Már Jóhannesson, giving as your reason "Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league." The article was duly deleted, but it was re-created yesterday. It doesn't seem to me that there is any more evidence of notability now than there was a year ago, but I know very little about football, so I thought I would let you know, and let you decide whether you want to take it to Articles for deletion. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi thanks for the message. I don't understand why you want to delete my pages. I have made up 2 very genuine pages about these footballers on here. Riechedly Bazoer has SIXTEEN separate references to it since I added the page in November last year which is more than 2 a month. He has played first team football this week for Ajax in a friendly and is set to play in the Eredivise this season. Also on Lawrence Shankland , the actual person tweeted me on Twitter thanking me for making it and has only been on for LESS THAN AN HOUR since I added it. I have taken my time and effort to do these pages and I also donate to Wikipedia. I believe these 2 footballers are rising stars in football and if these pages are deleted on wikipedia, I will leave. Many thanks and I await reply. Davezo33 (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Dear Sir Sputnik,

You put the tag of deletion in the following two articles with the reason Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league!

• Ali Gholami
• Saeed Ghaedifar

These two players just join to Sepahan F.C. from Under-21 team. And the 2013–14 Iran Pro League will be their first appearance in Iran Pro League. How these players can play a full match in Iran Pro League, while the 2013-14 season still is not started!!!

I try to improve the articles, by adding some more reliable sources.

Regards, Koorosh1234 (talk|contribs) 06:37, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I just wanted to let you know that when you closed this afd, you missed the fact that the article on Farhan Shakor was also under consideration. You also missed that Miguel Ramos García and Miquel Massana were under consideration at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jorge Giménez, though this case, I also have to disagree with your assessment that there was a consensus to delete. Sir Sputnik (talk) 16:25, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks, I've deleted the extra three articles. I am happy with my assessment of the discussion. Stifle (talk) 16:46, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, how many sources would be needed to make an article pass GNG in your eyes and what kind of sources. Cheers. --ArsenalFan700 (talk) 17:07, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the article needs to be semi-protected? The current editor seems to have an unstable IP which makes it difficult to engage in conversation or impose any sanctions. Sionk (talk) 17:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

You might have missed that the club was promoted last season, hence the recreation of the article. They will also participate in the FA Vase. Cheers, Bretonbanquet (talk) 22:24, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

I was wondering what you think makes a professional sports league professional? That might help me clear up my puzzlement at the claim that professional indoor soccer is not professional? Thanks Mohrflies (talk) 02:39, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I did a quick google of articles related to American indoor leagues over lunch and came up with these. It's front loaded to the earlier years because I began my search with the creation of the first MISL in 1979. I could have given you a few more articles, but I don't have the time right now and I need to eat. Thanks. Mohrflies (talk) 19:15, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

• This is a book about sports careers. See p. 133 for the entry on MISL, it comes right after the entries on FIFA and the World Cup.^[4]
• 1980 New York Times article about Cosmos playing in the MISL^[5]
• 1982 New York Times article regarding MISL player contracts^[6]
• 1984 New York Times article on NASL teams moving to MISL^[7]
• 1986 New York Times article about MISL teams refusing to release players for the World Cup^[8]
• 1986 Chicago Tribune article about MISL player contract^[9]
• 1987 New York Times article on MISL^[10]
• 1987 New York Times article on failure of the New York Express^[11]
• 1988 article about the struggle for amateur players when it comes to giving up a good paying job to pursue a career as a professional indoor soccer player.^[12]
• 1989 LA Times article about the collapse of the Los Angeles Lazers^[13]
• 1990 article regarding expansion of the American Indoor Soccer Association. Note the comparisons between the AISA and MISL.^[14]
• 1991 Baltimore Sun article regarding a possible merger between the NPSL and MISL and its impact on revenue and salaries^[15]
• 1995 lawsuit^[16]
• 1997 LA Times article regarding back-pay owed a Continental Indoor Soccer League team’s players^[17]
• 2000 Business Journal article about the National Professional Soccer League^[18]
• 2001 Yale University article about an amateur player turning professional with an MISL II team^[19]
• 2003 Research Paper on small professional sports team using two NPSL teams as the basis for the study^[20]

Hello Sir Sputnik. About a month ago i created an article for a Brazilian football player (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian da Silva Fiel) that he signed with the Cypriot team APOEL F.C. and the article was deleted for the following reason: "Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league". In the article's talk page you told me that we must wait for his debut with APOEL, before creating the article again, because until now he didn't played in any professional league.

My question is the following: The player already made his debut with APOEL on 31 July 2013, playing for 85 minutes against NK Maribor for the third qualifying round of the 2013–14 UEFA Champions League. Is that enough to restore the article now? In other words, is the article meeting the creteria now (after playing at the Champions League qualifiers with a professional team), or is a must to make at least one appearance in the domestic league (Cypriot league in this case) to meet the creteria and be able to restore the article? Thanks! Marios26 23:27, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for nominating the articles created by HIDECCHI2013 for speedy deletion. You saved me the trouble. Let me know if they are challenged, I'd be happy to help with this situation. Andrew³²⁷ 00:49, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Rilwan Waheed and I are friends and I found that the picture on his wiki page ( File:Rilwan Waheed (Riley).jpg ) is a picture from Rilwan Waheed's official Facebook page, original photo link. That photo was taken from New Radiant's official facebook page and edited by me for his request, as the watermark on the pic is blurred and there's a Maldivian FA Charity Shield's picture on the right bottom corner too. I think that the uploader of the picture User:Haishamful is violating the copyright rules of wikipdia, by mentioning the picture as his OWN WORK. So, I kindly request you to check his contribution list, where it is seen that he has only uploaded pictures,Haishamful Contributions, because I do not think that he has uploaded any of the pictures according to the wikipedia copyright guidelines. Thank you! ZZ47 (talk) 09:37, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

One sentence is a substantive contribution, especially when the page is so short already; the point is that we G5 delete pages only when they're really the work of one person only. Nyttend (talk) 11:30, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

On the page you tagged for deletion, would Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina not be a pro league?

Fbryce (talk) 19:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. Fbryce (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Hervin Ongenda, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The last AFD was recent, but in the meantime he has made his professional debut. So concerns in the last AFD have been atleast partially addressed. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 17:53, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your contributions. Anyway, K League Challenge is a fully professional league. I edited this page with reliable sources that is maybe enough to convince you. Thank you. z4617925 (talk) 02:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

You tagged Christian Rye for deletion. He plays in the Danish Superliga, so would it be correct to delete him?

Fbryce (talk) 02:34, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello Sir Sputnik. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Fraser Aird, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The Skysports article wasn't there last time (as it hadn't been written then), so there's a least one source that may well be notable. So this version is different to the previous one. It needs to go back to AfD to see if he passes the GNG now. . Thank you. GedUK  20:55, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Stefan Kutschke. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 79.216.34.185 (talk) 17:49, 17 August 2013 (UTC)