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Blocked and deblocked accounts

Done making User page, now you can place boxes you made, etc. Please, don't make it too flashy !--ZmajeviOdBosne (talk) 19:49, 15 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-15T19:49:00.000Z","author":"ZmajeviOdBosne","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZmajeviOdBosne-2009-08-15T19:49:00.000Z-Done_making_User_page_!","replies":[]}}-->

Blocked as a sockpuppet You have been blocked indefinitely as a sockpuppet of a banned or blocked user. Blocked or banned users are not allowed to edit Wikipedia; if you are banned, all edits under this account may be reverted. Details of how to appeal a block can be found at: Wikipedia:Appealing a block.

Taylor Karras (talk) 18:31, 17 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-17T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Taylor Karras","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Taylor_Karras-2009-08-17T18:31:00.000Z-Done_making_User_page_!","replies":[]}}-->

{{Unblock on hold|Seddon|I have been blocked from editing for reason of Sock puppetry. Although I have heard of Sock puppetry for the first time, I have read and learned all of this matter, after this uncomfortable, unpleasant experience. Indeed there were 4 accounts with a same IP address and all use one and same internet access, but there is good reason why this is so, at least I believe that is a good reason - especially after I read WP: FAMILY. My account is Santasa99 while following account of Umagli, SabeSabe and ZmajeviOdBosne, were created by my children and wife, with my encouragement, support and advice. Prior to that, they are all using one account, my own (Santasa99), so I encouraged them to create their own. I also helped them and directed them how to create a user page, how to follow basic rules and the style of Wikipedia, etc. There were never any problems while they used my own account. Until now, when they opened their accounts and gave their contribution, casting two votes on a case of deleting a template (which I made) in same maner as I did, even though they could hardly influence the outcome and even less to make any damage, trouble or contraversial dispute. What is more important, there was never intended to create damage or controversial dispute. I simply could not assume any problems with multiple accounts in the family (WP: FAMILY) and I could not assume that it would not be any problems if I only made an advance declaration on their and my own user pages. In fact, not only they did not cause any damage, but they thought that what they doing is alright, at the time, I thought the same. I also believe that in accordance with WP:FAMILY and WP:SOCK they can express an opinion (in this particular case, decide on the Template), despite a close relation to each other (and with me), as long as the problem or article or some other issue is not too controversial or dispute is not sensitive. This means, according to given WP:SOCK (WP:LOP) that they are entitled to an opinion or in this case, to vote as long as all of us make an advance declaration on their and my user page, to everyone attention. So, in the case of a positive resolution of this blockade, we want to keep the current accounts for each family member, while respecting the strict rules of Wikipedia on this issue (and any other), clearly emphasizing our close family relations and access through a single IP address on our user pages and in accordance with WP:FAMILY and WP:SOCK. Thanks.|Jayron32 03:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)}}__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","author":"Jayron32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-Request_to_be_unblocked","replies":["c-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","c-Santasa99-2009-08-18T03:39:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","c-Santasa99-2009-08-19T22:32:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Jayron"}}-->

Blocking admin contacted for additional input. Please be patient while we work this out. --Jayron32 03:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","author":"Jayron32","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Jayron"}}-->

• Thanx!--Santasa99 (talk) 03:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-18T03:39:00.000Z","author":"Santasa99","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Santasa99-2009-08-18T03:39:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Seddon-2009-08-19T20:20:00.000Z-Santasa99-2009-08-18T03:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I will support the unblock on if all accounts agree not to edit on any of the same pages. Particularly any deletion discussions, any article disputes, or featured processes of the same article(s) or files. Although this may seem overly restrictive, we do have a very strict policy on the use of multiple accounts, and so this is to ensure no further calls of sock or meat puppetry occur. Are you happy for this to occur? Seddσn ^talk|^WikimediaUK 20:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-19T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Seddon","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Seddon-2009-08-19T20:20:00.000Z-Santasa99-2009-08-18T03:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Sedd\u03c3n"}}-->

• Quite happy. Although I would very gladly retained the right to some positive editing of same article, that is not under dispute or in any other way problematic. For example articles about geography, hydrology, rivers, flyfishing, and such. Especially if one of us starts particular article and the rest want to contribute. Also, in favor of this suggestion comes the fact that my family and I usually contributes about nature, ecology, geography, hydrology, rivers, lakes, mountains, etc. mostly in Bosnia and Herzegovina, so that we never or almost never come into conflict with other editors. In fact, we are often the only ones who write such articles. Here are some examples (articles): Glavatičevo, Kamešnica, Vrelo Bune, Livanjsko field, Blidinje, etc. Also our User pages will be clearly designated as related in accordance to "Alternative account notification", so that everyone can see and know. Everything else you said is completely in line with our needs. I want to note that this is a suggestion that would allow us to behave in accordance with the WP:FAMILY and "Using multiple accounts" or "Alternative account" with "Alternative account notification", and editing articles without causing problems. If you agree, I think that this would be in accordance with specified guidelines and policies. Thanks a lot.--Santasa99 (talk) 22:32, 19 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-19T22:32:00.000Z","author":"Santasa99","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Santasa99-2009-08-19T22:32:00.000Z-Jayron32-2009-08-18T03:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Your request to be unblocked has been granted for the following reason(s): With blessing of blocking admin, you have been unblocked. Via con dios. --Jayron32 02:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-21T02:04:00.000Z","author":"Jayron32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jayron32-2009-08-21T02:04:00.000Z-Request_to_be_unblocked","replies":[],"displayName":"Jayron"}}--> Request handled by: Jayron32 02:04, 21 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-21T02:04:00.000Z","author":"Jayron32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jayron32-2009-08-21T02:04:00.000Z-Request_to_be_unblocked-1","replies":[],"displayName":"Jayron"}}--> Unblocking administrator: Please check for active autoblocks on this user after accepting the unblock request.

I have also, per your request at my talk page, unblocked all of your family members. Please make sure you and your family all clearly indicate on your userpages your relationship, it will prevent problems as you have had recently. Also, as noted by the blocking admin above, it would be most helpful if you didn't all "vote" together in the same discussions (such as deletion discussions and the like) as it gives the impression that you may be "colluding" together in an unsavory way. Otherwise, you should all be free to edit. --Jayron32 21:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-08-21T21:30:00.000Z","author":"Jayron32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jayron32-2009-08-21T21:30:00.000Z-Request_to_be_unblocked","replies":[],"displayName":"Jayron"}}-->