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This page was an unfinished project, which I started yesterday and was going to continue today. The purpose was to provide information about X-Micro in a concise manner, not to advertise anything. Just to provide information of a medium-sized Taiwanese company, which is also a relatively known brand - though more so some years ago than now. Sourcing this information from the internet is an on-going process. How could the page be rewritten in a way that fits your criteria? And how can it even be deleted even before I was able to react? Val — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taipeitech (talk • contribs)

• If an article makes no assertion of notability then it is going to be deleted before the author can react. Obviously it will need links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources before it can survive. Also, I assume you have a strong COI so using the "sponsor" route may be a good way of re-instating the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-26T09:17:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-26T09:17:00.000Z-X-Micro","replies":[]}}-->

I will work on this. It´s actually a trial article, in general, about a company here in Taiwan that I know. Thanks for the advices! Val — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taipeitech (talk • contribs) 06:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T06:09:00.000Z","author":"Taipeitech","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Taipeitech-2011-07-28T06:09:00.000Z-X-Micro","replies":[]}}-->

I'm just curious, you deleted my article Tennessee Wraith Chasers about a paranormal investigation group based out of Tennessee yet this page still exists: The Atlantic Paranormal Society ......Why? It is the same thing only a different group. What can I do to change it so it doesn't get deleted every time? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luv2box13 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 26 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-26T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Luv2box13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Luv2box13-2011-07-26T22:19:00.000Z-Tennessee_Wraith_Chasers","replies":["c-Manning_Bartlett-2011-07-25T22:03:00.000Z-Luv2box13-2011-07-26T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Did you see the comment: "Appearing on a single episode of a reality show does not normally meet our notability standards. Manning (talk) 22:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)". I suggest that you wait until someone with no COI thinks you chasers are notable and writes about you. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-25T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Manning Bartlett","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Manning_Bartlett-2011-07-25T22:03:00.000Z-Luv2box13-2011-07-26T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Manning"}}-->

Thanks for proving the concept behind this underhanded resource. A world encyclopedia filled with begrudging administrators given the authority to judge relevancy on the chance a stranger knows more about the subject than the root. I get your attempted droll implication and I'll leave my retaliation to the simple fact that you are MUCH more irrelevant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luv2box13 (talk • contribs) 21:14, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T21:14:00.000Z","author":"Luv2box13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Luv2box13-2011-07-27T21:14:00.000Z-Tennessee_Wraith_Chasers","replies":[]}}-->

Hello RHaworth. I am just letting you know that I have converted the speedy deletion tag that you placed on The Woman Who Loved To Walk to a proposed deletion tag, because I do not believe CSD applies to the page in question. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 22:37, 26 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-26T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Malik Shabazz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malik_Shabazz-2011-07-26T22:37:00.000Z-The_Woman_Who_Loved_To_Walk","replies":[]}}-->

Even though it's been quiet on-wiki, the Wikipedia Ambassador Program has been busy over the last few months getting ready for the next term. We're heading toward over 80 classes in the US, across all disciplines. You'll see courses start popping up here, and this time we want to match one or more Online Ambassadors to each class based on interest or expertise in the subject matter. If you see a class that you're interested, please contact the professor and/or me; the sooner the Ambassadors and professors get in communication, the better things go. Look for more in the coming weeks about next term.

In the meantime, with a little help I've identified all the articles students did significant work on in the last term. Many of the articles have never been assessed, or have ratings that are out of date from before the students improved them. Please help assess them! Pick a class, or just a few articles, and give them a rating (and add a relevant WikiProject banner if there isn't one), and then update the list of articles.

Once we have updated assessments for all these articles, we can get a better idea of how quality varied from course to course, and which approaches to running Wikipedia assignments and managing courses are most effective.

--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 17:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T17:29:00.000Z","author":"Sross (Public Policy)","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sross_(Public_Policy)-2011-07-27T17:29:00.000Z-Ambassador_Program:_assessment_drive","replies":[],"displayName":"Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation"}}-->

Hi RHaworth. Just a note, a bunch of pages you've deleted remained in the Special:NewPages log even after deletion. They are:

• Actor Jeetendra filmography
• Namirembe hillside High School
• "conway hillyer arnold"
• List of Military boots

Is there any chance you could mark new pages as patrolled before deletion as otherwise you have to do some annoying hacks to mark them as patrolled - they still appear in the Special:NewPages backlog even though they've been adequately handled by being deleted. Thanks. —Tom Morris (talk) 18:26, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T18:26:00.000Z","author":"Tom Morris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom_Morris-2011-07-27T18:26:00.000Z-Mark_as_patrolled_before_deleting_at_NewPages","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-27T19:31:00.000Z-Tom_Morris-2011-07-27T18:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

• The problem is that I do my new page patrolling from an atom feed. I do not see any indication that they are unpatrolled. It should be perfectly possible to show the "mark this page as patrolled" link irrespective of how one gets to a page. I suggest you raise a mod. proposal to this effect. But in any case I am being more careful now and looking at the new pages log. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:31, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T19:31:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-27T19:31:00.000Z-Tom_Morris-2011-07-27T18:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ah, okay, that's fine. As I said, it's probably only a couple. I don't want to change how you patrol, so keep it up. I'll go and report the problem on Bugzilla etc. —Tom Morris (talk) 21:49, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T21:49:00.000Z","author":"Tom Morris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom_Morris-2011-07-27T21:49:00.000Z-Mark_as_patrolled_before_deleting_at_NewPages","replies":[]}}-->

Hello RHaworth. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of High Definition (Vitalij Kurprij album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: there is an article for the artist, see: Vitalij Kuprij. Thank you. Sir Armbrust ^{Talk to me} _Contribs 18:40, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Armbrust","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Armbrust-2011-07-27T18:40:00.000Z-High_Definition_(Vitalij_Kurprij_album)","replies":[],"displayName":"Sir Armbrust"}}-->

You PRODded this, and it was deleted. Undeletion has been requested at WP:REFUND, so I have restored it, and let you know in case you want to AfD it. The requester, GISTinitiative (talk) has been username-blocked but will probably resurface: I have pointed him to User:JohnCD/Not a noticeboard, which I wrote because I keep having the same conversation. If I can get it right, I would like to make it an Essay, and suggest that a reference to it is added to the standard copyvio warnings, to help avoid the common situation where a newbie goes through all the OTRS hoops to clear something totally unsuitable. I'd be grateful for any comments. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 19:43, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T19:43:00.000Z","author":"JohnCD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnCD-2011-07-27T19:43:00.000Z-GIST","replies":[]}}-->

You gave me a speedy deletion warning. as I was contesting--proving notability for the artist by your own guidelines--you deleted the page without even hearing my case. and you deleted my contestment because it linked to a deleted article. help

According to notability guidelines for musicians-a feature on the musician must have been featured in a major newspaper--the artist was featured-multiple times-in Newsday the 11th biggest paper in the US as well as many others. you also must have been signed and released 2 or more cd's by a major independent label-the artist was was-to JDub records who have 7 notables on their roster, including Matisyahu. i wrote to you immediately after speedy deletion warning was issued and the article was deleted before I pressed the send button. So you never even saw the contestments and that's upsetting. Are not the above satisfication of notable guidelines. I got it from this site. I'm confused — 613codify (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T22:02:00.000Z","author":"613codify","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-613codify-2011-07-27T22:02:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-27T22:13:00.000Z-613codify-2011-07-27T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You are confused! So am I! Do you think it might be a sensible thing to provide a proper wikilink to the article about which you are talking? "Contestment" - I like it - definitely needs to be added to the dictionary of wikijargon. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T22:13:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-27T22:13:00.000Z-613codify-2011-07-27T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

you rock Mr Haworth! thanks for all 613codify (talk) 22:45, 31 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-31T22:45:00.000Z","author":"613codify","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-613codify-2011-07-31T22:45:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry about that, i've been writing this letter so much i forgot to put the link this time. Steve Lieberman the Gangsta Rabbi. Not sure if that one's right, well as the article has been, well deleted. and my confusement (wikijargon?) is if i get a speedy deletion warning for 'non-notability' shouldn't i have the chance to prove notability before deletion occurs? just asking. 'contestment' is not correct? the button said 'contest speedy deletion', therefore a 'contestment' sorry to have angered you. — 613codify (talk) 22:33, 27 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 613codify (talk • contribs) 22:29, 27 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-27T22:33:00.000Z","author":"613codify","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-613codify-2011-07-27T22:33:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-28T08:46:00.000Z-613codify-2011-07-27T22:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, contestment is a valid word but it is not used very much in Wikipedia. If you saw a lot of the stuff that gets speedily deleted, you would agree that the author should not be given any chance to discuss. But yours was at the other end of the scale where other deletion methods could have been used. I suggest:

• re-word the first sentence in encyclopedic tone
• demote the external links to the end of the article using <ref> markup
• format the external links properly - read this
• re-submit via AfC.

I can let you have your text - read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:46, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T08:46:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-28T08:46:00.000Z-613codify-2011-07-27T22:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you much sir and for the helpful advice and pointers. you have a wonderful day .613codify (talk) 11:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T11:18:00.000Z","author":"613codify","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-613codify-2011-07-28T11:18:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":[]}}-->

All done for your review sir. thanks for all your help 613codify (talk) 22:43, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T22:43:00.000Z","author":"613codify","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-613codify-2011-07-28T22:43:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Sir, Steve Lieberman. Thanks for all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 613codify (talk • contribs)

The advice I hand out here is frequently ignored so I was very pleased to see you follow my advice to the letter. Also pleased to see that you managed to persuade CharlieEchoTango to change his mind. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z-Gangsta_Rabbi","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the help. Much appreciated. ;) Cind.amuse (Cindy) 15:21, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T15:21:00.000Z","author":"Cindamuse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cindamuse-2011-07-28T15:21:00.000Z-Misza","replies":[],"displayName":"Cind."}}-->

Thanks first of all for correcting the mess. As you asked why I couldn't handle it today let me just say I had serious problems, partly because I was rushed and surrounded by family and friends. I tried to repeat what I had done before but I kept getting red links. Perhaps you could direct me to the instructions for doing user talk page archives (which I seem to have lost) or, perhaps better still, direct me to a bot who will take care of it in future. Thanks for your trouble. - Ipigott (talk) 19:18, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T19:18:00.000Z","author":"Ipigott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ipigott-2011-07-28T19:18:00.000Z-Archive_name","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-28T20:55:00.000Z-Ipigott-2011-07-28T19:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

• The instructions are at Help:Archiving a talk page but you can just copy the style of your existing three archives. Using a bot - read User:MiszaBot/Archive HowTo and see the wikimarkup at the top of User talk:Cindamuse which we did only today. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:55, 28 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-28T20:55:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-28T20:55:00.000Z-Ipigott-2011-07-28T19:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Roger , I wanted to understand the motivations regarding your proposal to delete the content I created today ie. Immobiliare Grande Distribuzione SpA SIIQ [1] the name of the company IGD is a real estate company listed on the Italian stock exchange. I'm new to the inclusion of information on wikipedia and I can not figure out what else is wrong, I would like to remedy in order not to delete the contents. thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.63.225.36 (talk) 12:37, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T12:37:00.000Z","author":"93.63.225.36","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-93.63.225.36-2011-07-29T12:37:00.000Z-Immobiliare_Grande_Distribuzione_SIIQ_S.P.A.","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-29T13:04:00.000Z-93.63.225.36-2011-07-29T12:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Count yourself lucky - I normally ignore anonymous messages. May I suggest links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:04, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T13:04:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-29T13:04:00.000Z-93.63.225.36-2011-07-29T12:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Looking over this earlier deletion of yours from May 13, I see his publisher is not, as I first thought when seeing it , a vanity publisher. Indeed, it has a cooperative publishing arrangement with Simon & Schuster! [2]. Anyone where the article asserts authorship of a book other than a self published book is clearly not a speedy candidate. And I see from the deleted versions of the article, that the claim is made that he has won an award. The deletion is obviously a very understandable error, and I suggest you restore the fullest version of the article if the deleting admin does not restore it, I shall do so, adding a proper reference. DGG ( talk ) 20:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T20:15:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DGG-2011-07-29T20:15:00.000Z-Re:_Brian_P._Easton","replies":[]}}-->

As for his books, I do not think the intent of the author was to delete them, and I suggest restoring the fullest versions, and making them into redirects to the author article, merging all usable content. I shall do so, if you don't get to it. Please see User talk:DragonflySixtyseven for some continuing discussion of these and similar deletions. DGG ( talk ) 20:25, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T20:25:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DGG-2011-07-29T20:25:00.000Z-Re:_Brian_P._Easton","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z-DGG-2011-07-29T20:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

• "Asked by my client" is a blatant declaration of COI, not to say spamming. But if you are willing to accept the requests of such a person, I will not stand in your way. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:02, 29 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z-DGG-2011-07-29T20:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-DGG-2011-07-30T23:49:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

sure it is, and that's why I intend to rewrite, not just reinstate. If we don't want people with COI to edit, we need to accept their requests for us to edit, when the subject is worth an article. DGG ( talk ) 23:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T23:49:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-DGG-2011-07-30T23:49:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-07-29T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

RHaworth, the fact that software can't be speedily deleted does not mean you can get around the rules by PRODding it...and then immediately deleting it. In future, either prod it and leave it for seven days until someone else can get at it, or leave these pages the hell alone. I make this the Nth time I've had to tell you off for misunderstanding, breaking, skirting, evading or tricking your way around deletion policy. Please let it be the last. Ironholds (talk) 22:37, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Ironholds","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z-MAMEhub","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-07-30T22:43:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","c-RHaworth-2011-07-30T23:11:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","c-Ironholds-2011-07-30T23:14:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Perhaps you will also reprimand the three admins who deleted previous versions of the article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:43, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T22:43:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-30T22:43:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ironholds-2011-07-30T23:07:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-07-30T22:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

  Two of them, yes; Reaper Eternal used a perfectly acceptable CSD rationale. The other admins deleted it under the wrong category, and I've told them about that; they did not, however, think it appropriate to PROD the article immediately beforehand, either to evade policy or (if I'm feeling uncharitable) to take advantage of the legitimate-looking edit summary. Ironholds (talk) 23:07, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T23:07:00.000Z","author":"Ironholds","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ironholds-2011-07-30T23:07:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-07-30T22:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Is one allowed to change ones mind? I prodded it, then when I saw the deletion history, I decided speedy was appropriate. So if I had given G11 as the deletion reason it would have been OK? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:11, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T23:11:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-07-30T23:11:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
• If you'd chosen G11 you'd be at least playing the right sport; whether you'd have scored is a different matter. RHaworth, if you need to take your cues on deletion policy from other admins, you need to put down the tools and go read the actual policies for a bit. An admin should not delete things if he's uncertain about them, and he should certainly not be subject to peer pressure in that fashion. Ironholds (talk) 23:14, 30 July 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-07-30T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Ironholds","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ironholds-2011-07-30T23:14:00.000Z-Ironholds-2011-07-30T22:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've added 4 references to confirm notability and deleted your redirect which inadvertently redirected ROARMAP to ROAR: They are not the same. One registers repositories and the other registers policies.Stevan Harnad 16:42, 1 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Harnad (talk • contribs)

I presume that TAU ALPHA OMEGA is identical to the previously created Tau Alpha Omega? It is actually a shame, because it is a well organized Article, if not well referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Naraht (talk • contribs)

• Yes, it was substantially the same. Unfortunately organization counts for very little - it is references that matter. Incredibly in the course of more than an hundred edits over five years, Japet (talk · contribs) has still not got the idea of reliable sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:27, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T19:27:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-01T19:27:00.000Z-Tau_Alpha_Omega","replies":["c-Naraht-2011-08-02T00:25:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-01T19:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually, I'm not sure that the reliable sources exist in a Wikipedia manner. The fraternity system in the Philippines would make *any* Dean of Greek Affairs in the USA bang his/her head against a wall until the pain stopped. There is *no* interfraternal organization in the Philippines and as such there is no bright line between the better known fraternities like Alpha Phi Omega, Tau Gamma Phi (Triskelion) and Alpha Kappa Rho from the groups that were started last week at University of the Southwest Visayas. Half of the recent mentions of Alpha Phi Omega in the Philippines are either due to the Oblation Run or a brother getting arrested in a Bombing. Also, *considerably* fewer newspapers are accessible on the internet in the Philippines. And Google News doesn't include more that one or two newspapers from the Philippines. It would be like trying to Reference Sigma Alpha Epsilon with just the Washington Post and the Chicago Sun-Times...Naraht (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-02T00:25:00.000Z","author":"Naraht","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Naraht-2011-08-02T00:25:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-01T19:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, this is a school page and must be put back as they are not subject to A7 per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion: A7. No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content). An article about a real person, individual animal(s), organization (e.g. band, club, company, etc., except schools). I have no problem with it going through a normal deletion process, but speedy delete cannot be applied in this case. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 20:52, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Markvs88","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z-UConn_Alumni_Association_must_be_put_back","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-01T20:59:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","c-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:06:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","c-Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz-2011-08-01T22:08:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Must it indeed! It is very much on the edge of what constitutes a school article. Try deletion review. More constructively, anticipate the result of the AfD decision: add one paragraph to the UConn article and re-create UConn Alumni Association as a redirect. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:59, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T20:59:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-01T20:59:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I apologise if you take the word "must" as abrasive, but consider that the page is not "on the edge": it is an organization of a school, and is comprised solely of graduates of that institution. Since it is not subject to A7, I would appreciate it being restored. If it does get to AfD, that's fine. If it gets a regular deletion tag and cannot be defended, that's fine too. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 21:06, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Markvs88","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:06:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:09:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) You have a rather weird interpretation of the criteria. The article is not on the school, so it can definitely be speedy deleted (if appropriate). UConn Alumnni Association is not equal to UConn, just like X High School Soccer Club is not equal to X High School. CharlieEchoTango (talk) 21:09, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T21:09:00.000Z","author":"CharlieEchoTango","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:09:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:40:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

...and I would agree if the article was on (say) the UConn Fencing Team. (NB: Many college soccer or football programs *do* have articles!) However, this is a nation-wide 501(c)(3) corporation. [3] People receive awards from it that are considered noteworthy [4]. Further, they have a say in the actual running of the university [5]. Best, Markvs88 (talk) 21:40, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Markvs88","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:40:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:47:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) I don't know if the deletion was appropriate or not, just wanted to clarify that it is not exempted from CSD#A7 as it the association itself is not a school. As RHaworth said, feel free to take it to deletion review. Cheers - CharlieEchoTango (discuss) 21:47, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T21:47:00.000Z","author":"CharlieEchoTango","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-01T21:47:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Outside comment: the complaint about A7 is clearly wrong, of course, but I'd think that being the alumni association associated with a major public university is enough of a claim of significance to survive A7, given that such organizations typically have well-covered lobbying and financial activities. AFD might well be better. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 22:08, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T22:08:00.000Z","author":"Hullaballoo Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hullaballoo_Wolfowitz-2011-08-01T22:08:00.000Z-Markvs88-2011-08-01T20:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The above referenced article was deleted by you? It has been re-created. Just a heads up, Thanks! Stormbay (talk) 22:39, 1 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-01T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Stormbay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stormbay-2011-08-01T22:39:00.000Z-Amber_Hinchinghooke","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Sir, This page was deleted. Do you have it archived? Is it available elsewhere (- on an alternative URL perhaps)? It was an invaluable resource for this industry but has been removed due to a guideline breach.

I would be very keen to see the table again. Regards, IM -- Ianmajor (talk) 16:10, 2 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-02T16:10:00.000Z","author":"Ianmajor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ianmajor-2011-08-02T16:10:00.000Z-Personal_Financial_Management","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-02T20:13:00.000Z-Ianmajor-2011-08-02T16:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Personal Financial Management was just a pointless one-sentence stub. You are probably thinking of comparison of personal financial management software. I have e-mailed you a copy. Feel free to publish it on your own website - providing due acknowledgement is given to Wikipedia. See also comparison of accounting software. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:13, 2 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-02T20:13:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-02T20:13:00.000Z-Ianmajor-2011-08-02T16:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I was able to get the new coordiance for the new location for Monroe High School in Tehachapi. If you noticed, the site they were at, the school district is going to sell that former site, so the former Monroe site who knows what they'll do with that, but it will be different. I'll have to get a picture of site they're at now up there. The district hasn't updated it yet on their site, but I'm starting to update it on Wikipedia, since school here starts August 17th. Just wanted to let you know that I took care of getting the coordiance for where the school will be at now. (JoeCool950 (talk) 00:34, 3 August 2011 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T00:34:00.000Z","author":"JoeCool950","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JoeCool950-2011-08-03T00:34:00.000Z-Monroe_High_School_(Tehachapi)","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Sir, My name is Peter. I am attempting to write on SRS needle. I heard about this invention at Rajkot city in India in a Medical conference. I am a Medical student from USA and currently at India spending my summer to learn new things in medicine. I received a message on Wikipedia that someone else had written on SRS needle and the post was put on speedy deletion due to insufficient information. I think, I have enough information about the Needle, its invention, uses, inventor, how it is useful in medical science these days and how to make such a needle in very less time. This needle is sold internationally by dolphin Sutures. Please grant me permission to write on this topic. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter9009 (talk • contribs) 11:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T11:44:00.000Z","author":"Peter9009","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter9009-2011-08-03T11:44:00.000Z-SRS_Needle","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-03T15:25:00.000Z-Peter9009-2011-08-03T11:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Why have you changed your name? I think it is highly unlikely that two people would use the phrase "grant me permission" independently. Please stick to your Shah shrenik (talk · contribs) account. The article was deleted because it was a simple copyright violation but it could also have been deleted for lack of links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Also the lack of a decent introductory sentence - "the SRS needle is …" - did not help. I am very dubious about whether this product/technique is particularly notable. I suggest you start with a short paragraph in the hysterectomy article. If that sticks, then a redirect at SRS needle would be acceptable. Remember to tell us what SRS stands for. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:25, 3 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T15:25:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-03T15:25:00.000Z-Peter9009-2011-08-03T11:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You deleted my entry a few days ago for two reasons I think.

• Contravention of the user name policy
• Creation of a page with no substantive content

As a novice I wasn't aware of the policies so thanks for pointing them out. I have created a new account with my real name which I hope satisfies this requirement.

I would still like to create my page for BQFJ. They are a notable organisation and a member of the most notable Qtar Foundation and I believe they warrant inclusion alongside other Open Access publishers such as Hindawi and Springer. I also made minor edits to pages specifically about Open Access Publishing which referred to the empty/stub page for BQFJ; these edits were also removed.

This time I wrote my copy offline and a few minutes ago entered into my BQFJ wikipedia page.

I hope that all is in order. If not I would appreciate some guidance.

UPDATE: I have created my page here - User:Paulcoyne1969/QScience. Advice appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Paulcoyne1969 (talk • contribs) 12:51, 3 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T12:51:00.000Z","author":"Paulcoyne1969","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paulcoyne1969-2011-08-03T12:51:00.000Z-Bloomsbury_Qatar_Foundation_Journals","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-03T15:44:00.000Z-Paulcoyne1969-2011-08-03T12:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You have a blatant COI so we would very much prefer it if you were to wait until someone with no COI decides your journals are notable and writes about them. But since you have created a draft, you may as well follow the suggestions I have made within it, make sure that the references demonstrate notability and re-submit via AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:44, 3 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T15:44:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-03T15:44:00.000Z-Paulcoyne1969-2011-08-03T12:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, apparently we've had an edit conflict while you moved that page to Fibroceutical. I was trying to clean it up and so I created it anew. Please delete. De728631 (talk) 18:22, 3 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-03T18:22:00.000Z","author":"De728631","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-De728631-2011-08-03T18:22:00.000Z-FIBROCEUTICAL","replies":[]}}-->

Hi I'd like to know why you deleted the Penny Black Outdoor page? (Heimarilombaard (talk) 09:24, 4 August 2011 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T09:24:00.000Z","author":"Heimarilombaard","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Heimarilombaard-2011-08-04T09:24:00.000Z-Penny_Black_Outdoor","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T09:28:00.000Z-Heimarilombaard-2011-08-04T09:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Undiluted advertising. You could not even manage to cast it in encyclopedic language: "best available billboards for your campaigns at highly competitive rates"!! — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:28, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T09:28:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T09:28:00.000Z-Heimarilombaard-2011-08-04T09:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I am the resident producer at the Brockley Jack Theatre in south east London and wondered why the article had been deleted and if it would be possible for it to be reinstated for me to edit. Kind Regards Darren Batten Brockleyjackproducer (talk) 10:58, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T10:58:00.000Z","author":"Brockleyjackproducer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brockleyjackproducer-2011-08-04T10:58:00.000Z-Deletion_of_The_Brockley_Jack_Theatre","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T11:25:00.000Z-Brockleyjackproducer-2011-08-04T10:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

• E-mail me two complimentary tickets for Of Mice and Men and I will reconsider! Seriously though, folks. The page was a pathetically short stub - if you are so keen on it, how come in the five years (!) that it has been around you have made no attempt to turn it into an article? Also, you have a declared COI so we would prefer you not to be contributing on this topic. Fortunately Back ache (talk · contribs), the originator of the article is still active, so I suggest you prepare some decent text and submit it to Back ache with a request for them to re-post it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:25, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T11:25:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T11:25:00.000Z-Brockleyjackproducer-2011-08-04T10:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Back_ache-2011-08-04T13:00:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-04T11:25:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Mmmm, free tickets.... but seriously, I created this and many other stub on small theatres as at attempt to improve wikipedia's coverage of London fringe theatre, unfortunately there didn't seem to be much enthusiasm to take the articles forward so one-by-one they got culled. However if you send me some text I'll see if it can be wikified Back ache (talk) 13:00, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T13:00:00.000Z","author":"Back ache","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Back_ache-2011-08-04T13:00:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-04T11:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Roger,

I received your notification for the proposed deletion of Json2Ldap. To address the point of notability I removed the external links and instead added proper references to an article in Network world magazine and blog posts. The domain of LDAP-related software is such that much information is shared through informal channels (in forums, meetings and mailing lists) and notability may be harder to establish. Also added a background section and rewrote portions of the text to improve precision and neutrality.

Greetings from nearby Sutton, Vladimir Vdzhuvinov (talk) 16:12, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T16:12:00.000Z","author":"Vdzhuvinov","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vdzhuvinov-2011-08-04T16:12:00.000Z-Json2Ldap_revision","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. Would you mind letting me know why you have moved the Norwich School (disambiguation) page to Norwich School when consensus for moving the article on Norwich School (private school) to that location was underway? Thanks. DiverScout (talk) 16:15, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T16:15:00.000Z","author":"DiverScout","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DiverScout-2011-08-04T16:15:00.000Z-Norwich_School","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T16:55:00.000Z-DiverScout-2011-08-04T16:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You seem to be reluctant to create links. If your deletion request had actually contained an explicit link to the discussion, I might have followed it. Having now found Talk:Norwich School (private school)#What should be the name of this page?, I cannot say that I see any strong, recent consensus. But if you think there is one, feel free to try again. I shall stand back and let another admin decide. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:55, 4 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-04T16:55:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-04T16:55:00.000Z-DiverScout-2011-08-04T16:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Whoops, my mistake, although most of Koolboy2001's edits don't seem to make any actual sense; either that or he, frankly speaking, has autistic tendencies. I've seen similar behaviour here on WP with a sockpuppeteer who has been making over a thousand accounts whenever he comes across a public terminal or generally anything that he can lay his hands on. Blake Gripling (talk) 12:32, 5 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-05T12:32:00.000Z","author":"Blakegripling ph","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blakegripling_ph-2011-08-05T12:32:00.000Z-Re:_Nit-Picking","replies":[],"displayName":"Blake Gripling"}}-->

I'm sorry for uploading files without a copyright. I am new to wiki editing and I'm learning as I go. I have a question. I have a foto of a friend of mine which I would like to upload to wiki (Adrian Avramia). How do I do it without upsetting all the universe. P.S. Sorry for the English. Katz191 (talk) 19:20, 5 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-05T19:20:00.000Z","author":"Katz191","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Katz191-2011-08-05T19:20:00.000Z-Hello","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-06T00:12:00.000Z-Katz191-2011-08-05T19:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Replied at User talk:Katz191#Pointless. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 00:12, 6 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-06T00:12:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-06T00:12:00.000Z-Katz191-2011-08-05T19:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My artcle: Jatindra Kumar Nayak was tagged by you with speedy deletion tag even after the previous such tag was removed by Edgar 181 (Revision as of 19:42, 7 August 2011 (edit) Edgar181 (talk | contribs) (speedy deletion declined - cited translation/academic works are indications of notability))

I thought notability of the subject was established from his winning the Hutch Crossword Award (now renamed Vodafone Crossword Book Award in 2004. He has a bright career in translation. Besides,the article is referenced and provided with external link.

I am at a loss why you added the latest tag. May I request you to please remove the speedy deletion tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChinmayHota (talk • contribs)

• I am at a loss to understand why you cannot provide decent references. You provided two external links. One simply mentions the guy's name; the other does not mention him at all. Also please actually read my tag - does it say anything about speedy deletion? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 06:51, 8 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-08T06:51:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-08T06:51:00.000Z-Article:_Jatindra_Kumar_Nayak","replies":[]}}-->

Now the article has been fleshed out by me with a reference and two external links. I request you to please remove the deletion tag.

This page was supposed to represent a summary of a newly emerging online music company. I've interviewed all three founders for an article and received their approval to do so. Several news articles will be appearing about musicTRAY.net in the next few months so it was significant that it appear. I'd like to get this article back up and running; what must be done to do so? Aeonq (talk) 22:30, 8 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-08T22:30:00.000Z","author":"Aeonq","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aeonq-2011-08-08T22:30:00.000Z-MusicTRAY.net","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-08T22:38:00.000Z-Aeonq-2011-08-08T22:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I really did lol at your message: "should not be speedy deleted because this is a post for a music data company that is launching within the next 30 days posted by one of it's [you meant its] employees". You were citing two of our standard deletion reasons: CRYSTAL and COI! Kindly wait until the company has been launched and become notable then somebody with no COI will surely write about it here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:38, 8 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-08T22:38:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-08T22:38:00.000Z-Aeonq-2011-08-08T22:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm working of condensing and rationalising the absurdly over-extensive series of Avaya articles. But I think this particle article, which you deleted as G11, does not meet G11, as it is purely factual -- cf. CSD A11. "An article about a company or a product which describes its subject from a neutral point of view does not qualify for this criterion. " I see nothing but such description--too much of it perhaps, but that can be dealt with by editing. (I know I have the ability to undelete it myself and work on it, but I want to ask you first.) DGG ( talk ) 18:12, 9 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-09T18:12:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DGG-2011-08-09T18:12:00.000Z-Avaya_IP_Office","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-09T19:19:00.000Z-DGG-2011-08-09T18:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Perhaps I should start lobbying for CSD#A7 to be extended to software. But I will accept this article did contain just one independent link. So feel free to re-instate it if you really think the subject is notable. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:19, 9 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-09T19:19:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-09T19:19:00.000Z-DGG-2011-08-09T18:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-DGG-2011-08-12T14:34:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-09T19:19:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Well, proposals for software to be included in A7 have failed repeatedly, because of the difficulty in making a quick judgment. (I'd be prepared to argue that a product being from a major company is always at least an implied claim to possible importance that needs to be checked further--though certainly not sufficient for notability) Normally, I would merge this article , but I don't like to merge to the highest level--the company--since its a relatively minor product for them, and I haven't found anything else suitable yet. I'll keep looking, but I may restore. My guess if it it goes to AfD the odds are 50:50, but software is a subject where AfD makes altogether most inconsistent decisions. I admit I don't know how we should ideally handle the topic. DGG ( talk ) 14:34, 12 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-12T14:34:00.000Z","author":"DGG","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DGG-2011-08-12T14:34:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-09T19:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

One of the more ignorant PRODs I've seen 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 18:32, 9 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-09T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Andy Dingley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andy_Dingley-2011-08-09T18:32:00.000Z-Materials_for_use_in_vacuum","replies":["c-Andy_Dingley-2011-08-13T21:17:00.000Z-Andy_Dingley-2011-08-09T18:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Second most. I hope your latest PROD of a long-established article with a great many contributors simply was spite after all. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:17, 13 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-13T21:17:00.000Z","author":"Andy Dingley","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Andy_Dingley-2011-08-13T21:17:00.000Z-Andy_Dingley-2011-08-09T18:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What makes you think that I have sufficient feelings about you to act in spite? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z-Materials_for_use_in_vacuum","replies":[]}}-->

re: User:DePiep/sandbox9: you deleted it because of db-u1. That was not my intention, but I did had db-u1 on other userpages recently. Could it be that you saw this u1-request there because of transclusion from another page? Anyway, it was useful content, so if you could put it back, I'd be glad. Make that very glad. Thank you. -DePiep (talk) 11:23, 10 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-10T11:23:00.000Z","author":"DePiep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DePiep-2011-08-10T11:23:00.000Z-deleted_page","replies":["c-DePiep-2011-08-10T11:33:00.000Z-DePiep-2011-08-10T11:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I remember I put that speedy intentionally on some redirects, but also deleted the REDIRECT itself. Sandboxing with 5 linked templates... I cleaned it right now, and thank you. -DePiep (talk) 11:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-10T11:33:00.000Z","author":"DePiep","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-DePiep-2011-08-10T11:33:00.000Z-DePiep-2011-08-10T11:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

RHaworth, Wikipedia informs me that yesterday, 20:36, 10 August 2011, you deleted a page entitled The National Theatre of the World for reasons specified as "A7: Article about an eligible subject, which does not indicate the importance or significance of the subject." Indeed I received a warning concerning speedy deletion, but, this being my first article, was not aware of its meaning nor what it was suggesting. Here to establish the importance of The National Theatre of the World's page, I, a member of this theatre group, propose that it should be restored under the understanding that it is a legitimate not-for-profit organization with a necessity to represent itself online in a manner beyond its personal website. It has been operational for several years and it promises, on Wikipedia, not to infringe on any copyright boundaries that could warrant subsequent deletion. Please, do consider this proposition.Montroseworld78 (talk) 18:14, 11 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-11T18:14:00.000Z","author":"Montroseworld78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Montroseworld78-2011-08-11T18:14:00.000Z-The_National_Theatre_of_the_World","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-11T19:53:00.000Z-Montroseworld78-2011-08-11T18:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

• There never has been an article entitled The National Theatre of the World. But since you are a member of the group, I recommend you to read {{uw-coi}}, do not seek to create an article but simply wait until someone with no COI decides the group is notable and writes about it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:53, 11 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-11T19:53:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-11T19:53:00.000Z-Montroseworld78-2011-08-11T18:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Orangemike-2011-08-11T20:06:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-11T19:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

It was called The national theatre of the world, actually. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:06, 11 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-11T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Orangemike","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Orangemike-2011-08-11T20:06:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-11T19:53:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Orange Mike"}}-->

thank you, Roger, for deleting that mess that I left behind me. This might encourage me to try using my sandbox, something I have never done, but which I believe is supposed to be for starting out articles. life is good. Einar aka Carptrash (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-12T02:09:00.000Z","author":"Carptrash","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carptrash-2011-08-12T02:09:00.000Z-gone_&_forgotten","replies":[]}}-->

Just a note that I removed the CSD you placed on Isang Yun Competition; as an event, I don't see that it falls squarely under A7. Also, I found one source (Korea Times) at least verifying its existence and start year. Qwyrxian (talk) 06:16, 12 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-12T06:16:00.000Z","author":"Qwyrxian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwyrxian-2011-08-12T06:16:00.000Z-Isang_Yun_Competition","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, hope everything is well. I am a new editor on Wikipedia and I recently posted an article titled JJ Money. However, it was flagged for a speedy deletion, and before I had the opportunity to contact anyone about the issue with the article it was already deleted. This took place on Aug 8, 2011.

I was wondering if you could help me understand why exactly you deleted the article? I am now getting a greater sense of how to create/edit Wikipedia articles and your input would be very helpful, considering your experience on Wikipedia. Also, if you could provide suggestions or alternative ways for me to create the same article to meet the standards outlined on Wikipedia I would really appreciate it. Hope there is some way you could assist me, look forward to hearing from you. Mmwater (talk) 18:12, 12 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-12T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Mmwater","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mmwater-2011-08-12T18:12:00.000Z-JJ_Money_article:_speedy_deletion","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-12T19:24:00.000Z-Mmwater-2011-08-12T18:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

• The deletion log may seem a bit a cryptic: multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A7, G11 but it does contain two links. Have you followed those links? How do you expect an article to survive if it contains zero links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources? I also suggest you read uw-coi. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-12T19:24:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-12T19:24:00.000Z-Mmwater-2011-08-12T18:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks a lot for the referred advice, if the article is improved to meet those guidelines can I recreate the article on Wikipedia? Mmwater (talk) 01:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T01:06:00.000Z","author":"Mmwater","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mmwater-2011-08-15T01:06:00.000Z-JJ_Money_article:_speedy_deletion","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T08:47:00.000Z-Mmwater-2011-08-15T01:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You have a blatant COI. I see that Gurt Posh (talk · contribs) has come to your aid over your other article. See if the same will work here: submit a draft to Gurt Posh and ask he/she to put the article up. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T08:47:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T08:47:00.000Z-Mmwater-2011-08-15T01:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I see you speedy deleted the article on Mama Desiato's (etc.) We have an associated problem with the editor who wrote the article repeatedly adding a spam link to the Restaurant: Impossible article, on which the restaurant recently appeared. I've put two warnings on his talk page, but thought I heads up might not be a bad idea. Drmargi (talk) 00:31, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T00:31:00.000Z","author":"Drmargi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmargi-2011-08-14T00:31:00.000Z-Mama_Desiato's","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z-Drmargi-2011-08-14T00:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Actually the vandal could not even manage to create a spam link! They will probably go away but I will watch and block if appropriate. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z-Drmargi-2011-08-14T00:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So R: - Might you be a radio caroline anorak?? we must talk........ johnDH24 — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnDH24 (talk • contribs) 04:29, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T04:29:00.000Z","author":"JohnDH24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnDH24-2011-08-14T04:29:00.000Z-File:TLMGTE-2_Book_med.jpg_deletion","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z-JohnDH24-2011-08-14T04:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I never listened to Radio Caroline - why on earth do you think that I might have done? As to the image deletion, read this. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 08:15, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T08:15:00.000Z-JohnDH24-2011-08-14T04:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Read it before... Got it. Will get back to this in time. As for the RC reference, someone involved very much had your likeness. That person had helped me quite a lot. Many years ago. My apologies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JohnDH24 (talk • contribs) 04:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T04:32:00.000Z","author":"JohnDH24","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnDH24-2011-08-15T04:32:00.000Z-File:TLMGTE-2_Book_med.jpg_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

The bug is filed on Bugzilla: 30368. —Tom Morris (talk) 15:26, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T15:26:00.000Z","author":"Tom Morris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tom_Morris-2011-08-14T15:26:00.000Z-NewPages_bugzilla","replies":[]}}-->

It seems that a member of a much larger 3D game site, Roblox, had spammed the wiki page of Buildism, which had been a respectable page before. Buildism DOES have a large amount of legitimate users, and this certain user who vandalised the page also just spammed the forums at Buildism. I am requesting a reverse of the content of the Buildism wiki page, rather than a deletion. Qwertygiy (talk) 21:27, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T21:27:00.000Z","author":"Qwertygiy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwertygiy-2011-08-14T21:27:00.000Z-Deleted_page:_Buildism","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T21:39:00.000Z-Qwertygiy-2011-08-14T21:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Good try mate! But the version I deleted was last edited by you (barring the person who applied the speedy tag). The Roblox vandalism had already been reversed. If you want it restored, go to deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:39, 14 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-14T21:39:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-14T21:39:00.000Z-Qwertygiy-2011-08-14T21:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thomas Rathnam is an upcoming music director from India. His movies already released. Banna banna da loka, Karuvarai pookal. He had already released few english and tamil, hindi albums also. Waves, Yes we can and so on. It is not a personal probaganda. So please re insert his pager for his fans. Please reconsider it. Lovingly, Thomas rathnam fans — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasrathnamfans (talk • contribs) 11:36, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T11:36:00.000Z","author":"Thomasrathnamfans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomasrathnamfans-2011-08-15T11:36:00.000Z-Thomas_Rathnam","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T12:13:00.000Z-Thomasrathnamfans-2011-08-15T11:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Actually I have never deleted the article but if I had seen your latest apalling effort, I would have deleted it without hesitation: no attempt at formatting, full of SHOUTING and total absence of references. Firstly, study existing bios of Bollywood directors then submit a properly referenced article to AfC. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:13, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T12:13:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T12:13:00.000Z-Thomasrathnamfans-2011-08-15T11:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I have made the necessary changes for the article on Robinson Crusoe Economy. Please assist me on how i can improve the article further. I'm writing this article as a part of Wikipedia's Education Program here in India. The link to our project page is Wikipedia:India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Research Methodology Year 3 Group B . Please don't delete this article. I will make all the required changes, just help me out with what I have to do please. Thank you :) Abhilasha369 (talk) 14:28, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Abhilasha369","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T14:28:00.000Z-Robinson_Crusoe_Economy","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T15:38:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T14:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

• I would like to see some evidence that the term is used in the big world outside university economics courses. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:38, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T15:38:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T15:38:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T14:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok I will try my best to find such evidence. But, there are hundreds of economic term articles that are on Wikipedia which are rarely used outside of university circles. What's the criteria to stay? Some are stubs while others are complete articles... For example : Income-consumption curve and Isocost. Abhilasha369 (talk) 16:22, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T16:22:00.000Z","author":"Abhilasha369","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T16:22:00.000Z-Robinson_Crusoe_Economy","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T16:29:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T16:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

• The criterion is notability. If there are articles about non-notable terms it is because no-one has got round to deleting them yet. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:29, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T16:29:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-15T16:29:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T16:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok I just finished reading and trying to comprehend the Wikipedia Notability guidelines. I'll surely work on what you've said. The basic gist of the article is that economic principles apply even if its only to a world with one person. Apart from that, cultural references to Robinson Crusoe are almost always made to the deserted island/castaway/survival/marooned part of the story rather than the cannibalism/wars/slavery part... Having an article on the Robinson Crusoe Economy is very important for any encyclopedia. Anyway, I have found a newspaper article referring to a Robinson Crusoe economy. Should I add that to the references or external links?Abhilasha369 (talk) 17:04, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T17:04:00.000Z","author":"Abhilasha369","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T17:04:00.000Z-Robinson_Crusoe_Economy","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T12:57:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T17:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

• For Wikipedia, newspaper links are, if anything, better than academic ones. Don't matter whether they go in refs or external links. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T12:57:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T12:57:00.000Z-Abhilasha369-2011-08-15T17:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Have made the necessary changes. - Abhilasha369 (talk) 02:22, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T02:22:00.000Z","author":"Abhilasha369","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Abhilasha369-2011-08-17T02:22:00.000Z-Robinson_Crusoe_Economy","replies":[]}}-->

You deleted a page that was created for Ultimate Medical Academy, although I did not create the page, you said it was deleted under the A7. code - No indication of importance (individuals, animals, organizations, web content).

This is fine and dandy, however this IS A SCHOOL, I would know this because I know people who went there. Please do your job and do not delete things for the wrong reasons. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.100.97.130 (talk) 15:00, 15 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-15T15:00:00.000Z","author":"98.100.97.130","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-98.100.97.130-2011-08-15T15:00:00.000Z-Ultimate_Medical_Academy","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there! I objected to the mark for deletion you placed on the Racket features article. Please see the article's talk page for an explanation and the changes I made. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jarnaldich (talk • contribs) 12:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T12:35:00.000Z","author":"Jarnaldich","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jarnaldich-2011-08-16T12:35:00.000Z-Racket_features","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T12:54:00.000Z-Jarnaldich-2011-08-16T12:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Lack of a link to the parent article was not the problem. Lack of links to reliable sources was certainly one problem. But mainly, I think the article is far too detailed for Wikipedia. But let us see what they think at AfD. If it gets deleted, I shall nominate Haskell features as well since it is little better. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:54, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T12:54:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T12:54:00.000Z-Jarnaldich-2011-08-16T12:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Why was this page deleted? I had multiple external links and references. It was written in a non bias form and was facts/information about the company. No form of promotion or advertisement was trying to be achieved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeeb44 (talk • contribs)

• Total absence of links to significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:10, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:10:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:10:00.000Z-Millennium_Solutions_Inc._deletion_of_page","replies":[]}}-->

OK well. Can you un-delete it and I will add sources? I was building the page and was not done. Zeeb44 (talk) 20:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:17:00.000Z","author":"Zeeb44","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:17:00.000Z-Millennium_Solutions_Inc._deletion_of_page","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:36:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Always a bad idea not to use a userspace draft. I have e-mailed you the text. If you have no COI, you can try deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:36:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:36:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry I am new and was not aware that was there. At least this will let me build it. Thank you! Also did someone mark my account as a blocked user so I cant edit anything or am I imagining things? One more thing. What kind of references do I need to make a credible Wiki page? Like references from magazine articles. and other sources besides the actual website of the company? Zeeb44 (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Zeeb44","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:39:00.000Z-Millennium_Solutions_Inc._deletion_of_page","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:47:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

• You are imagining. Yes of course, magazine articles - did you read WP:ORG? But before you re-create, I challenge you to state on User:Zeeb44 what your connection is with the company. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:47, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:47:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:47:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok I will re-read the article. I stated my relationship but what does that matter. Yes I am an employee of MSI but I am not trying to add it for promotional/advertising purposes. I am trying to create it for references and information to the public about our company. Just like Dell, Apple, Microsoft, and others have done. -- Zeeb44 (talk) 20:57, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Zeeb44","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:57:00.000Z-Millennium_Solutions_Inc._deletion_of_page","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:59:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Please also read {{uw-coi}} and kindly wait until someone with no COI thinks the company is notable enough for an article here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 20:59, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T20:59:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T20:59:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T20:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok, thank you. You wouldn't want to create a page for me would you? j/k - I think I wrote it in a very non biased point of view. But having the layout in my profile like I do now is ok for the time being isn't it? -- Zeeb44 (talk) 21:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T21:15:00.000Z","author":"Zeeb44","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T21:15:00.000Z-Millennium_Solutions_Inc._deletion_of_page","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T21:17:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T21:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Yes, your user page is fine. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 21:17, 16 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-16T21:17:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-16T21:17:00.000Z-Zeeb44-2011-08-16T21:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

How can I to evidence that it meets the notability criteria for software? This software has many users all over the world and it is in the lead of charts of report generation tools. It is on the second place in Poll by reportingfor.info [6].

Also Stimulsoft Reports is in the top ten best sellers of ComponentSource [7]

Stimulsoft Reports has a several awards:

• ComponentSource: Top 100 Bestselling Publisher Award 2009-2010;
• SQL Server Magazine: A bronze medal winner of the “2008 Editor’s Best Awards” in Business Intelligence and Reporting Winners;
• ComponentSource: Top 100 Bestselling Publisher Award 2010-2011.

There are many articles about Stimulsoft Reports.

Here is the article in Bean Software [8].

"Stimulsoft, a leading provider of Business Intelligence software, never stops in its researches and masters new technologies." [9]

You can see the Testimonials on Stimulsoft Reports site [10] and list of resellers [11]

There was mentions of Stimulsoft Reports even in 2005 and 2006 in SQL Server Magazine [12] [13]

Stimulsoft is mentioned in scientific work as one of report generators [14] which can be found on Google Scholar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighAley (talk • contribs) 07:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T07:34:00.000Z","author":"HighAley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HighAley-2011-08-17T07:34:00.000Z-Stimulsoft_Reports","replies":[]}}-->

Is it not enough to prove notability of Stimulsoft Reports?

What is your criterion of notability? I think it is biased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighAley (talk • contribs) 07:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T07:17:00.000Z","author":"HighAley","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HighAley-2011-08-17T07:17:00.000Z-Stimulsoft_Reports","replies":["c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z-HighAley-2011-08-17T07:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) The criterion for notability is available at Wikipedia:Notability (software). Your references are not exactly "reliable sources" per the WP:V and WP:RS policies. They are either self-published or highly specialized sources. CharlieEchoTango 07:37, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","author":"CharlieEchoTango","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z-HighAley-2011-08-17T07:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T11:48:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T11:59:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:21:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","c-HighAley-2011-08-17T12:38:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

What do you mean by highly specialized sources? Is Visual Studio Magazine a highly specialized source? It's the world’s leading independent Microsoft development magazine[15]. Stimulsoft Reports was in Visual Studio Magazine Buyers Guide for a last 4 years. [16] [17] [18] [19]

Thinking the same way I can say that you must delete this article InetSoft, XLCubed, GL Wand or Windward Reports. Why are that companies in Wikipedia?

Earlier I thought that Wikipedia tries to show full situation in the world also in software. How can I add Stimulsoft Reports in this list List of reporting software? It isn't full. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.126.162.2 (talk • contribs)

• Thank you CET, you seem to have covered the matter adequately. Comment by IP address in Belarus ignored. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T11:48:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T11:48:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Why the comments from Belarus ignored? Can we create articles in Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.126.162.2 (talk) 11:59, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T11:59:00.000Z","author":"178.126.162.2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T11:59:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Xenophobia - an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange. Looks very similar in this situation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.126.162.2 (talk) 12:02, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:02:00.000Z","author":"178.126.162.2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:02:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:09:00.000Z-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Xenophobia - don't be childish. I note Belarus merely to indicate that the source is almost certainly from the Simulsoft Company. But despite that, since you cannot even bother to log in or sign your comments, then I cannot be bothered to read them. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:09:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:09:00.000Z-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Really surprised with double standards from Wiki editors. Belarus is a big country. I am not a Stimulsoft worker. Have a great day, GUY!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.126.162.2 (talk) 12:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:21:00.000Z","author":"178.126.162.2","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-178.126.162.2-2011-08-17T12:21:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

An article about a company describes its subject from a neutral point of view. You can't delete it by G11 criteria. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HighAley (talk • contribs) 12:38, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:38:00.000Z","author":"HighAley","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HighAley-2011-08-17T12:38:00.000Z-CharlieEchoTango-2011-08-17T07:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:46:00.000Z-HighAley-2011-08-17T12:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

• OK, logged in. Next lesson to learn is to learn to sign with ~~~~ Why on earth mention G11? Have you actually looked at the article recently? You are two steps out of date in the deletion process. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:46, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:46:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:46:00.000Z-HighAley-2011-08-17T12:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am highly dubious about whether Two envelopes problem/sources would survive an AfD discussion - looks far too detailed for Wikipedia. But the main problem was a total lack of introduction. Rather than delete it for lack of context, I have moved it to User:INic/sandbox. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 12:42, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T12:42:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:42:00.000Z-Context","replies":["c-INic-2011-08-17T15:20:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please do not delete or move any pages without discussing it first. Your deletion damaged the main page. There is an agreement among the active editors that a separate list of sources is needed. If a subpage is not the correct way to do it, please advice on how to do it instead of delete it. iNic (talk) 15:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T15:20:00.000Z","author":"INic","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-INic-2011-08-17T15:20:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-17T12:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Was it too much for you to add an introductory sentence? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 16:17, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T16:17:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T16:17:00.000Z-Context","replies":[]}}-->

You reminded me exactly why I hate Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GeorgeReese (talk • contribs) 13:01, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T13:01:00.000Z","author":"GeorgeReese","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GeorgeReese-2011-08-17T13:01:00.000Z-George_Reese","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. You moved iZOMBIE to IZombie. As the very first reference in the article states:

"The correct spelling of the title of our esteemed series is: (...) a lower case "i", sans comma, and the "OMBIE" in caps. In other words: iZOMBIE." - Shelly Bond (Editor) in Chris Roberson (w), Michael Allred (i). iZOMBIE, no. 12, p. 18 (June 2011). Letters column: Vertigo.

Could you undo the move? Thanks in advance. -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 17:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Mvuijlst","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mvuijlst-2011-08-17T17:40:00.000Z-iZOMBIE","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T17:48:00.000Z-Mvuijlst-2011-08-17T17:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Michel Vuijlsteke"}}-->

• WP:MOSTM says 'follow standard English text formatting and capitalization rules, even if the trademark owner considers nonstandard formatting "official"'. But if you feel so strongly, what is preventing you from undoing the move - why ask me? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:48, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T17:48:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T17:48:00.000Z-Mvuijlst-2011-08-17T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mvuijlst-2011-08-17T18:00:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-17T17:48:00.000Z"]}}-->
  • Okay, moved back. I asked because I thought it'd be the polite thing to do. Cheers! -- Michel Vuijlsteke (talk) 18:00, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T18:00:00.000Z","author":"Mvuijlst","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mvuijlst-2011-08-17T18:00:00.000Z-RHaworth-2011-08-17T17:48:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Michel Vuijlsteke"}}-->

Hi, I was wondering if you could take off the ban(?) on the editing of this page please. I see that it was used for a slang term, however it is a name of a electronic music label (a grime (music) label). http://butterz.co.uk/ - the label's website. Thanks Malachy123 (talk) 22:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC).__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Malachy123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malachy123-2011-08-17T22:27:00.000Z-Allow_Butterz_to_be_edited_again","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T22:57:00.000Z-Malachy123-2011-08-17T22:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Unfortunately for you, the most recently deleted version was: "Butterz.co.uk = Elijah & Skilliam are a DJ duo that play Grime Music …". If you can show that the duo/label have become notable since 2009, submit a draft via AfC. If it is approved at AfC, removal of the protection will be non-controversial. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:57, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T22:57:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T22:57:00.000Z-Malachy123-2011-08-17T22:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Mr. Haworth, Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia. I appreciate Wikipedia because I spend most of my life here getting information for fictional novels. My last novel INVASION USA, I must have spent 1,000+ on Wikipedia researching the past, present and future. My books have sold over 12,000 copies, my ebook Reader downloads, another 1,000 just this year(2011). In the US I am beginning to get known. I might not be famous like J K Rawling, but many people mention my futuristic description of the world and where its going. May I suggest, Sir (and my Grandmother lived in Purley and I have walked barefoot from Purley to Croyden, where my uncle (retired) still lives) that you read my latest novel. If you think it's not worth while, then I will gladly accept to be removed from Wikipedia. Email me at [redacted] and I will send you a copy. I can send you a PDF.file, or Kindle or Android file (ePub or Mobi) so that you can read my fourth novel on any EReader. Sincerely, — Preceding unsigned comment added by TOLLAN02 (talk • contribs) 23:35, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T23:35:00.000Z","author":"TOLLAN02","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TOLLAN02-2011-08-17T23:35:00.000Z-Tolland02_-_self-promoter","replies":["c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T23:52:00.000Z-TOLLAN02-2011-08-17T23:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Wikipedia is not the place to promote yourself or your novels. When you become notable someone with no COI will write about you here. The words are J K Rowling and Croydon - e-mail me contact details for your uncle and I will look him up. May I suggest that instead of dreaming up fictional novels, it would be more productive to write real novels? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 23:52, 17 August 2011 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2011-08-17T23:52:00.000Z","author":"RHaworth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-RHaworth-2011-08-17T23:52:00.000Z-TOLLAN02-2011-08-17T23:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->