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Hi, I wanted to let you know that I reverted your edit at Esoteric programming language. In my opinion based on some cursory Google searches, the language Chicken is likely not notable enough for inclusion in the article. Please let me know if you disagree or you find some different citations to independent, reliable sources. Thanks! Caleb Stanford (talk) 19:07, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221130190700","author":"Caleb Stanford","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Caleb_Stanford-20221130190700-revert_at_Esoteric_programming_language","replies":["c-PotatoKugel-20221130202700-Caleb_Stanford-20221130190700"]}}-->
Hey how are you? Thank you for messaging me about the revert! I really appreciate the fact you read what I wrote, thought about it, and then even decided to send me a polite message.
I hear what you are saying about its lack notability. I did a little research and it seems that it is mentioned a bit as a more famous esolang. Here are some links:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-chicken-programming-language (obviously Quora isn't reliable. I'm just pointing out that it is something that people heard of and are curious about and that there are at least a few respondents who have heard of the language as well).
In addition I would like to mention that even if chicken is less famous that some of the other languages, it seems to be particularly weird and funny, which is kind of what this page is for I thought: showing the most ridiculous esolangs and a language with the only token being chicken seems to fit that bill perfectly.
A last point: It appears to me that chicken, while less notable than Brainf... and LOLCODE, seems to be more notable than some of the other languages on the page, such as Golfscript and Binary Lambda Calculus (neither of which appeared in any of the links I sent you, I don't believe).
I think if you search for "weirdest programming languages" (which is what I did) then you get a decent amount of articles with Chicken being mentioned.
Once again, thanks for the message and the time!
Cheers! PK PotatoKugel (talk) 20:27, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221130202700","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20221130202700-Caleb_Stanford-20221130190700","replies":["c-Caleb_Stanford-20221201070900-PotatoKugel-20221130202700"]}}-->
Thanks for the additional references. Okay, that seems reasonable, and if you want to re-add with some of these citations, please do! A few of them are definitely usable, others are probably not reliable sources, hard to tell which so maybe just include several. Avoid using wiki- or blog-like references (e.g. esolangs and quora), the more news-like ones are higher quality. As to Golfscript and Binary Lambda Calculus, I would say those are both notable though less heard-of. Caleb Stanford (talk) 07:09, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221201070900","author":"Caleb Stanford","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Caleb_Stanford-20221201070900-PotatoKugel-20221130202700","replies":["c-PotatoKugel-20221201071300-Caleb_Stanford-20221201070900"]}}-->
I hear ya. Thanks for the feedback! PotatoKugel (talk) 07:13, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221201071300","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20221201071300-Caleb_Stanford-20221201070900","replies":[]}}-->
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Happy editing! Selfstudier (talk) 19:10, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203191000","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241203191000-Welcome!_2","replies":[]}}-->
Please notice that per WP:ARBECR, you may only make edit requests in the topic area. Thanks. Selfstudier (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241203191100","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241203191100-Welcome!_2","replies":["c-Selfstudier-20241204101100-Selfstudier-20241203191100"]}}-->
Please don't write arguments against the rules on my talk page. If you have any questions about the above, write them here instead. Thank you.
To reiterate, straightforward edit requests only, that's it. Selfstudier (talk) 10:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204101100","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241204101100-Selfstudier-20241203191100","replies":["c-PotatoKugel-20241204131300-Selfstudier-20241204101100"]}}-->
Okay, sorry about that. I am trying to argue that what I am doing is not against the rules.
I would like to know why my argument is against the rules as it seems to me to be rather straightforward. However, if it is a "judgement call" on a sliding scale of "straightforward" to "not straightforward", and you and Sean.hoyland think that it falls too close to the "not straightforward" side of the request, I can accept that. I am just wondering if there is a more specific explanation that can be discussed. Once again, if it is a "judgement call", I am perfectly willing to accept that.
Have a nice day and sorry about that. PotatoKugel (talk) 13:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204131300","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20241204131300-Selfstudier-20241204101100","replies":["c-Selfstudier-20241204131900-PotatoKugel-20241204131300"]}}-->
WP:EDITXY It's not absolutely necessary to use the template but if it won't fit, it's likely not allowed.
As for the contributions I reverted, those were essentially you responding to yourself and making arguments, so obviously not within bounds. Selfstudier (talk) 13:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204131900","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241204131900-PotatoKugel-20241204131300","replies":["c-PotatoKugel-20241204145500-Selfstudier-20241204131900"]}}-->
Okay, gotcha. Thank you very much! PotatoKugel (talk) 14:55, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204145500","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20241204145500-Selfstudier-20241204131900","replies":["c-Selfstudier-20241204210000-PotatoKugel-20241204145500"]}}-->
Re this, I suggest you resubmit only the first two paras as an edit request. The subsequent paras are not an edit request, they are argument_/discussion/blah. Selfstudier (talk) 21:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204210000","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241204210000-PotatoKugel-20241204145500","replies":["c-PotatoKugel-20241204211100-Selfstudier-20241204210000","c-PotatoKugel-20241204211400-Selfstudier-20241204210000"]}}-->
Can you please explain why the following points are not edit requests: "If this is not something that others agree to, I would suggest to add into the opening paragraph the fact that Gaza Health Ministry data from the time says that 52% of verified fatalities were women and children."?
And: "If this second suggestion is accepted, I would further suggest to remove the pie chart or add a second one for the ratios reported by the Gaza Health Ministry." PotatoKugel (talk) 21:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204211100","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20241204211100-Selfstudier-20241204210000","replies":[]}}-->
Also, can you explain the rule to me a bit. I did read the WP:EDITXY article.
The example I was given was changing Isreal to Israel. Is the idea that this is extremely obvious and doesn't not require any sort of explanation for the rational behind wanting to make this change? If that is so, then is that the bar? I can't make an edit request that needs any sort of rational or citation of sources (or I at least can't mention said rational or sources)? PotatoKugel (talk) 21:14, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204211400","author":"PotatoKugel","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-PotatoKugel-20241204211400-Selfstudier-20241204210000","replies":["c-Selfstudier-20241204230200-PotatoKugel-20241204211400"]}}-->
I have explained it. Read what you have written for yourself, it begins with a conditional. If...is not an edit request.
Edit requests are not difficult, although I said the template was not strictly necessary, I suggest that you use it and make one simple edit request at a time, sourced appropriately if necessary.
Explanations, speeches, qualifications, etcetera not needed. Selfstudier (talk) 23:02, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241204230200","author":"Selfstudier","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Selfstudier-20241204230200-PotatoKugel-20241204211400","replies":[]}}-->
