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Hi Asukite, You are right about references. But I do think Pietro Savi should get his Wikipedia page, so I added five references now (admittedly not super easy to find online) and resubmitted. Apparently there was even a biography about this guy published (in Italian) in 1890, underscoring his relevance. Paul Hege (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-06T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-2022-06-06T19:15:00.000Z-Asukite-2022-06-06T18:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paul_Hege-2022-06-06T19:16:00.000Z-Paul_Hege-2022-06-06T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

He also has pages on the Italian and Spanish Wikipedias., so I think it should meet the notability guidelines. Paul Hege (talk) 19:16, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-06T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-2022-06-06T19:16:00.000Z-Paul_Hege-2022-06-06T19:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, I noticed you recently made an edit (a deletion, to be precise) at Banana, without providing an edit comment to explain your reasoning. Edit comments enable other editors to evaluate the purpose of the edit, and to assess if the edit was correct, without necessarily having to open the article and compare old with new. As such, edit comments are an essential courtesy on Wikipedia, a vital part of the overall mechanism, and all editors are expected to provide at least brief comments on their actions.

In this case, I actually disagree with the deletion as the items you removed are very reasonable 'See also' links. The 'See also' section on an article is intended for links that a reader could be expected to find interesting, but not necessarily directly on the same topic (those links should be in the text of the article if it is at all well-constructed). So 'Orange', as another widely-consumed fruit, is a reasonable next step for 'Banana' readers, for instance. Hope this is all clear to you. All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:48, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603124800","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-20240603124800-Edit_comments","replies":["c-Paul_Hege-20240603132900-Chiswick_Chap-20240603124800"]}}-->

Hi, thanks for the detailed explanation. I just impulsively deleted "orange" because I thought it seemed bit consumer-centered, because I thought well for someone like me who buys bananas at a supermarket maybe oranges seem related, but in other countries bananas/plantains can be more of a staple food as well and oranges are perhaps not eaten all that much. And then while I was at it I also removed "Banana (racial slur)" because it is something so negative and you can live a happy life not knowing about it, and in that case I would also say if someone comes and wants to learn about bananas and then they click on "Banana (racial slur)" we may be guilty of distracting their attention. But maybe I can add an etymology section in the article later and move the "slur" link there? --Paul Hege (talk) 13:29, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603132900","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-20240603132900-Chiswick_Chap-20240603124800","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-20240603134700-Paul_Hege-20240603132900"]}}-->

I kept the slur link down there as it doesn't have anything to do with the etymology of the word "banana" but is of much more recent origin, and on a different continent... and it has rather little to do with the fruit, its growth, production, and consumption, and everything to do with a view of humanity which believes that skin colour determines a hierarchy of races, white at the top, and that the "lowest" races are barely above animals and hence should eat fruit straight from trees: a vile bit of reasoning, if one can even call it that. I really don't think we need that in an "Agriculture, food and drink" article, and I doubt if you do, really. Having it in 'See also' also helps prevent it from being helpfully added to the article text... All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 13:47, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603134700","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-20240603134700-Paul_Hege-20240603132900","replies":["c-Paul_Hege-20240603135600-Chiswick_Chap-20240603134700"]}}-->

No it is definitely not part of the etymology fortunately :) Was just thinking because it's more about the word than the fruit. I mean I don't see by which mechanism having it in the "see also" prevents it being added to the article text, but no matter, let's not stress out about the see also section anyhow. Paul Hege (talk) 13:56, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603135600","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-20240603135600-Chiswick_Chap-20240603134700","replies":["c-Paul_Hege-20240603135900-Paul_Hege-20240603135600"]}}-->

One could legitimately even have a bananas and social issues subsection. Could contain: Monkey stereotypes, banana republics, colonial exploitation and bananas... Paul Hege (talk) 13:59, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603135900","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-20240603135900-Paul_Hege-20240603135600","replies":["c-Chiswick_Chap-20240603142400-Paul_Hege-20240603135900"]}}-->

That sounds like a separate article to me, in which case we would need a short section here with a "main" link to it. Until then, I think we're better off without it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 14:24, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603142400","author":"Chiswick Chap","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Chiswick_Chap-20240603142400-Paul_Hege-20240603135900","replies":["c-Paul_Hege-20240603142700-Chiswick_Chap-20240603142400"]}}-->

Yeah, I agree. No need to bring politics into everything, that's not what people look up "banana" on wikipedia for. All the best Paul Hege (talk) 14:27, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240603142700","author":"Paul Hege","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Paul_Hege-20240603142700-Chiswick_Chap-20240603142400","replies":[]}}-->

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