Hello Ortizesp, looking at the "Personal life" section and the result of reFill, I am afraid this doesn't work properly, so I am going to insert the original references. Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 13:49, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-04T13:49:00.000Z","author":"Lotje","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lotje-2022-01-04T13:49:00.000Z-Enzo_Cornelisse","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi there. Leonardo Santiago is commonly known as "Leonardo" so the article needs to be moved. Could you help with that? Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 02:07, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-01T02:07:00.000Z","author":"Robby.is.on","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robby.is.on-2022-02-01T02:07:00.000Z-Leonardo_Santiago","replies":["c-Ortizesp-2022-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Robby.is.on-2022-02-01T02:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Done!@Robby.is.on:--Ortizesp (talk) 02:15, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-01T02:15:00.000Z","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-2022-02-01T02:15:00.000Z-Robby.is.on-2022-02-01T02:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Robby.is.on-2022-02-01T02:17:00.000Z-Ortizesp-2022-02-01T02:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wow, that was quick! Thank you. :-) Robby.is.on (talk) 02:17, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-01T02:17:00.000Z","author":"Robby.is.on","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Robby.is.on-2022-02-01T02:17:00.000Z-Ortizesp-2022-02-01T02:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

His name is 'João Marcos' not 'Marcos, João'. I am unsure why you are chasing the defsort for these players? GiantSnowman 22:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T22:06:00.000Z","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-2022-02-10T22:06:00.000Z-Jo\u00e3o_Marcos_(footballer,_born_1953)","replies":[],"displayName":"Giant"}}-->

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Hi, I see you have created the article for Luka Stankovski. Can I ask for a favour? I had already created his draft last year, but forgot to publish it upon his debut. Is it ok if we did a WP:HISTMERGE? Thanks, Nehme₁₄₉₉ 11:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-20T11:22:00.000Z","author":"Nehme1499","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nehme1499-2022-02-20T11:22:00.000Z-Luka_Stankovski","replies":["c-Ortizesp-2022-02-20T17:22:00.000Z-Nehme1499-2022-02-20T11:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nehme"}}-->

• Hey, I don't mind! I didn't see the draft or else I would have moved it. Can you do the histmerge, or ask one of the mods, I don't know how to do it.@Nehme1499:--Ortizesp (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-20T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-2022-02-20T17:22:00.000Z-Nehme1499-2022-02-20T11:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nehme1499-2022-02-20T19:04:00.000Z-Ortizesp-2022-02-20T17:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

GS has taken care of it. Yeah, the draft system here on Wikie isn't clear at all imo. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 19:04, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-20T19:04:00.000Z","author":"Nehme1499","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nehme1499-2022-02-20T19:04:00.000Z-Ortizesp-2022-02-20T17:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Nehme"}}-->

Hi there. About a year ago, I posted to your Talk page about some issues: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ortizesp&oldid=1005861653#Style_issues

At least two of those issues I have been seeing and correcting recently:

1. "Per Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, the standard way to name the section about a players' club career is "Club career", not "Professional career"." It seems you are still using "Professional career". To clarify: If a player has played at both club and international level, the headings should be "Club career" and "International career". If a player has only played at club level, the heading should be "Career".
2. ""uk.soccerway.com" or "ca.soccerway.com" are not the website's name, but "Soccerway"."

Otherwise, keep up the good work. :-) Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 21:08, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-20T21:08:00.000Z","author":"Robby.is.on","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robby.is.on-2022-02-20T21:08:00.000Z-Style_issues_II","replies":[]}}-->

Other editor wants to delete the Lelo Sejean which you defend as General Notability in the past, and the other edit continues to delete the most notable information: The footballer is acknowledged for the longest duration by an Australian and Oceanian in Paraguayan football and in CONMEBOL football.^[1] Please can intervenir? Rojodiablcerrocerrocerro (talk · contribs)

Hi Ortizesp - hope you are well. Thanks for your tireless work in moving footballers' pages (and others) to their WP:COMMONNAME, esp. for all those pesky one-name Brazilian guys! Lugo (footballer, born 1666) heartily approves. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 13:44, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-02T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Lugnuts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lugnuts-2022-03-02T13:44:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Ortizesp-2022-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2022-03-02T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Hey, very much appreciated! Nice to see someone noticing the work. You are always doing great work as well, keep it up!@Lugnuts:--Ortizesp (talk) 00:15, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-05T00:15:00.000Z","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-2022-03-05T00:15:00.000Z-Lugnuts-2022-03-02T13:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the reply. I'll just delete the request at RM/TR and let you set up a regular RM at your convenience. Station1 (talk) 07:34, 7 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-07T07:34:00.000Z","author":"Station1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Station1-2022-03-07T07:34:00.000Z-Carlos_Moros","replies":[]}}-->

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I'm not familiar with Brazilian names, but is it really the case that the general reader is more likely able to identify a person based on their year of birth than their surname? If that is not so, the guideline interpretation you're following would seem flawed. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:30, 11 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-11T23:30:00.000Z","author":"Paul 012","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_012-2022-03-11T23:30:00.000Z-Footballer_surname_vs_year_of_birth","replies":["c-Ortizesp-2022-03-18T04:26:00.000Z-Paul_012-2022-03-11T23:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Paul_012"}}-->

Hey @Paul 012:, most Brazilian footballers have a WP:COMMONNAME that is either their first name only or nickname, they generally wouldn't be recognizable with their last names, and especially not with full legal names. Of course there are exceptions, but not many. I name the pages in accordance with WP:COMMONNAME or WP:NATURAL, as they've kind of been neglected for a bit, but if there's any that stands out to you feel free to revert or challenge.--Ortizesp (talk) 04:26, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-18T04:26:00.000Z","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-2022-03-18T04:26:00.000Z-Paul_012-2022-03-11T23:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, what do you mean with this edit summary "creating page, eligible through senior debut with atalanta this season" at Moustapha Cissé's article?--Sakiv (talk) 21:58, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-20T21:58:00.000Z","author":"Sakiv","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sakiv-2022-03-20T21:58:00.000Z-Edit_summary","replies":["c-Ortizesp-2022-03-20T22:02:00.000Z-Sakiv-2022-03-20T21:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

• Nothing, I was working on a page around the same time you submitted yours. It would have been my edit summary if I made the page, but there was an edit conflict since you made yours seconds before, and just used my draft on your page. It makes no difference, you made the page first, just my edit summary isn't accurate.@Sakiv:--Ortizesp (talk) 22:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-20T22:02:00.000Z","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-2022-03-20T22:02:00.000Z-Sakiv-2022-03-20T21:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi there, how are you?

I've noticed that a lot of your page moves involved changing the DEFAULTSORT of those pages. However, it seems like you don't know or don't seem to care about WP:MCSTJR, which clearly states that "Some people are known primarily by their first name only. When it is not possible to set the first name alone as the article title, as with many articles in Category:Brazilian footballers, you should sort with the first name first to make the article easier to find in the categories. For example, Leonardo Araújo is commonly known as Leonardo, and should be sorted as {{DEFAULTSORT:Leonardo Araujo}}"

Some examples:

1. Lucas Lima (footballer, born 2000)‎: not known by Lima, only by Lucas Lima;
2. Bruno Oliveira (footballer, born 1998): not known by Oliveira, known by Bruno Oliveira or just Bruno;
3. Kevin Carlos: not known by Carlos, only by Kevin Carlos or Kevin Omoruyi (which in this case would be correct to use Omoruyi, Kevin);
4. Orlando Ribeiro (footballer): not known as Ribeiro, known by Orlando Ribeiro or just Orlando.

It would be nice if you pay some more attention over this, as it's a little bit tiring to fix these things every time you move a Brazilian or Spanish player. Thank you, BRDude⁷⁰ (talk) 02:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-14T02:38:00.000Z","author":"BrazilianDude70","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BrazilianDude70-2022-04-14T02:38:00.000Z-Several_breaches_of_WP:MCSTJR","replies":[],"displayName":"BRDude70"}}-->

• Hey, I guess I never really read WP:MCSTJR in depth, I dind't realize there was a subsect for Brazilian footballers. I'll make an effort to follow it more closely for defaultsorts. I've almost done with the Brazilian page moves as well. Cheers!@BrazilianDude70:

Hey Ortizesp!

Hoping you could clarify what's in the infobox in this edit. Not sure if you intended it like that, but thought I should give you a heads up in case you didn't. Good work! JTtheOG (talk) 05:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-27T05:20:00.000Z","author":"JTtheOG","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JTtheOG-2022-04-27T05:20:00.000Z-Kobamelo_Kodisang&oldid=1084823636","replies":[]}}-->

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Merhaba, Ben Mustafa Kurtoğlu. Osman Zeki Korkmaz adına açtığınız sayfa için teşekkür ederiz. Osman Hocanın ekibinde yer alıyorum. Bir kaç şey üzerinde düzenleme yapılmasını rica etti. Kendi isteği doğrultusunda düzenlemeleri yaptım. Lütfen Onaylarsanız teşekkür ederiz. +905344667436 Mustafakurtoglu (talk) 13:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220718130100","author":"Mustafakurtoglu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mustafakurtoglu-20220718130100-Some_baklava_for_you!","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20220804043100-Mustafakurtoglu-20220718130100"]}}-->

Her şey iyi gözüküyor. Yardımınız için teşekkürler. Bu sezon iyi şanslar! @Mustafakurtoglu: Ortizesp (talk) 04:31, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220804043100","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20220804043100-Mustafakurtoglu-20220718130100","replies":[]}}-->

Can you describe what made you write "Support - per nom" here? They are two different groups and separate from each other per the evidence I provided from mainstream sources including SPLC.

Hope you will re-read my comment, and the evidence I provided and agree that "New Order" is a splinter group of "American Nazi Party" and that not only both of them are operated by different chairmans + staff members but are clearly opposed to each other. 103.240.204.158 (talk) 03:48, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220804034800","author":"103.240.204.158","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-103.240.204.158-20220804034800-ANP","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20220804042200-103.240.204.158-20220804034800"]}}-->

• Looks like you're right, I've slashed my vote. Perhaps if they are notable splinter, new articles should be created.@103.240.204.158:--Ortizesp (talk) 04:22, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220804042200","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20220804042200-103.240.204.158-20220804034800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello Ortizesp, I would like to ask your support please in creating the articles of Luis Manuel Díaz, Francisco Avilán and Marco Antonio Fabián Vázquez because they are former C.D. Guadalajara players and now managers, so they pass Wikipedia's notability rules at WP:FOOTY.

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Do you think Marc Casadó worth having a page? he is playing regularly for B team and they took him to US tour, among few B team players named with the squad for europe.

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• Hey, I think he probably does, seems like there is significant coverage as required by WP:N. Do you want to take a stab at making a page? Or do you want me to make it?--Ortizesp (talk) 19:34, 20 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220920193400","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20220920193400-108.30.205.112-20220919125800","replies":["c-108.30.205.112-20220921121600-Ortizesp-20220920193400"]}}-->

  If you can make it, it would be great!

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  Okay, done! Feel free to add anything I missed.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:53, 22 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220922035300","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20220922035300-108.30.205.112-20220921121600","replies":["c-108.30.205.112-20220925135600-Ortizesp-20220922035300"]}}-->

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In your dePROD of Sérgio Alexandre you said there were a "good amount of indonesian references", however the subject is Brazilian. I'm not sure what references you're talking about and would appreciate clarification as I evaluate for notability. Ovinus (talk) 22:31, 27 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220927223100","author":"Ovinus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ovinus-20220927223100-Quick_question","replies":[]}}-->

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I checked the pt wiki page and almost all the references were dead links. The remaining refs do not cite how the club is notable in any way. Horcoff (talk) 20:07, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221020200700","author":"Horcoff","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Horcoff-20221020200700-Esporte_Clube_S\u00e3o_Martinho","replies":[]}}-->

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Never was, never has been Jewish. I just looked at your source, and it literally states that Rupert Murdoch's mother was Jewish in the very next sentence! (Elisabeth Murdoch). That's the end of the source, then, and any claim it had to reliability. Take it to arbitration, BLP noticeboard, etc., etc., if you seriously want to argue that a source that states Murdoch's mother was Jewish should be used as reliable. I'll keep removing it. All Hallow's Wraith (talk) 12:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027121900","author":"All Hallow's Wraith","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-All_Hallow's_Wraith-20221027121900-Kevin_Feige","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Ortizesp. The need to create Robert Purvis (disambiguation) was the reason I had moved Bob Purvis to Bob Purvis (footballer). The article is an orphan, and he appears no more notable than the others. Laterthanyouthink (talk) 03:44, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221101034400","author":"Laterthanyouthink","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Laterthanyouthink-20221101034400-Bob_Purvis","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Ortizesp. Shouldn't you be giving an explanation when dePRODding an article as you did here? @Jogurney: who PRODed the article, gave the reasoning that it failed WP:SPORTBASIC. Kind regards, Robby.is.on (talk) 10:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221206104400","author":"Robby.is.on","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robby.is.on-20221206104400-DePRODing","replies":["c-Jogurney-20221206162400-Robby.is.on-20221206104400"]}}-->

It's my understanding that editors are not required to give any explanation, per WP:PROD, You are encouraged, but not required... Also, I noticed that this editor usually does put an explanation in the comments to their edit. My only frustration is that some editors (I'm not sure that Ortizesp is one of them), regularly contest a PROD, but don't participate in the AfD when the article is taken there. Maybe I need to specifically notify them of the AfD, but I would certainly appreciate more input in the AfD itself. Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 16:24, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221206162400","author":"Jogurney","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jogurney-20221206162400-Robby.is.on-20221206104400","replies":["c-Robby.is.on-20221206171500-Jogurney-20221206162400"]}}-->

Thanks, Jogurney. I'm not very familiar with the processes and it seemed intuitive to me that one would address the PROD rationale when contesting a PROD. Robby.is.on (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221206171500","author":"Robby.is.on","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Robby.is.on-20221206171500-Jogurney-20221206162400","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20221206180000-Robby.is.on-20221206171500"]}}-->

I usually leave a summary as Jogurney mentioned, perhaps I missed it in this case. Anyways, I prefer taking an article to AFD with more eyes to see if we can pull up references than PROD unless it's extremely obvious that it's going to fail. @Robby.is.on: Ortizesp (talk) 18:00, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221206180000","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221206180000-Robby.is.on-20221206171500","replies":[]}}-->

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I have no issue with dropping the patronymic middle name and using a parenthetical disambiguation but just noting that the reason I left that one was because the guidelines in Wikipedia:Disambiguation suggests the use "natural disambiguation" where needed - in this case the middle name differentiates the person from others in a natural way. Shyamal (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214042000","author":"Shyamal","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shyamal-20221214042000-Alexander_Vasilievich_Stepanov_->_Alexander_Stepanov_(physicist)","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20221214152100-Shyamal-20221214042000"]}}-->

Hey, no problem, and I think both titles work. However, I can't remember where, but I think there's a policy that discourages Russian patronymics. If I find it I'll let you know.@Shyamal: Ortizesp (talk) 15:21, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221214152100","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221214152100-Shyamal-20221214042000","replies":[]}}-->

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Why did you remove the expatriate categories? I'm going to AGF and assume it was a mistake... GiantSnowman 21:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221222215600","author":"GiantSnowman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GiantSnowman-20221222215600-Robert_S\u00e1nchez","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20221222215600-GiantSnowman-20221222215600"],"displayName":"Giant"}}-->

• Yeah, that's my bad!--Ortizesp (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221222215600","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221222215600-GiantSnowman-20221222215600","replies":[]}}-->

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Would you be so kind as to revert Marcelus' undiscussed page moves of the articles Žygimantas Liauksminas ([1]), Antanas Chodakauskas ([2]) and Antanas Gelgaudas ([3]), Kiprijonas Maculevičius ([4])? I am asking you because you have already reverted a similar move by Marcelus on the article Mikalojus Tiškevičius ([5]). Also, Marcelus' edit history is filled with undiscussed page moves from non-Polish (Latin, Lithuanian, Russian) to Polish names - [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12], which I think clearly proves Polish POV-pushing. Cukrakalnis (talk) 17:46, 26 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221226174600","author":"Cukrakalnis","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600-Please","replies":["c-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600","c-Marcelus-20221227210700-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600","c-Ortizesp-20221228035100-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600"]}}-->

@Ortizesp and @Cukrakalnis Your recent activity has been noted see [13] - Soliciting support other than by posting direct messages, such as using a custom signature with a message promoting a specific position on any issue being discussed. GizzyCatBella🍁 02:51, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227025100","author":"GizzyCatBella","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600","replies":["c-GizzyCatBella-20221227053300-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100","c-Cukrakalnis-20221227104200-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100"]}}-->

.. @Ortizesp I’m not disagreeing with your reverts (moving back articles) to be clear. - GizzyCatBella🍁 05:33, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227053300","author":"GizzyCatBella","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-GizzyCatBella-20221227053300-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100","replies":[]}}-->

I am very grateful to Ortizesp and I will point out to GizzyCatBella that none of this is promoting a specific position on any issue being discussed, because this is purely a procedural matter, so it's not canvassing. Cukrakalnis (talk) 10:42, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227104200","author":"Cukrakalnis","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Cukrakalnis-20221227104200-GizzyCatBella-20221227025100","replies":[]}}-->

@Ortizesp non of this moves was a POV pushing, all of them are grounded in sources and historically adequate, there is no need to discuss every single move if they are uncontroversial Marcelus (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227210700","author":"Marcelus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Marcelus-20221227210700-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600","replies":[]}}-->

Hey I've moved all the pages I could, the outstandings one's have been requested. For your reference, you can ask to revert undiscussed page move at WP:RM under "Requests to revert undiscussed moves". You could also request to get page mover rights at Wikipedia:Page mover, I used to have them but don't currently.@Cukrakalnis:

@Marcelus: I think since Cukrakalnis (talk · contribs) disagrees with you the moves are uncontroversial, it'd be better to request the move using WP:RM instead of moving them yourself. That way there's also something in the talk history that shows why or why not a page was moved. If you feel strongly that your moves are correct, then feel free to open a move request to re-revert them, I have no strong opinions in either direction. Ortizesp (talk) 03:51, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228035100","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221228035100-Cukrakalnis-20221226174600","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, I'm Mattythewhite. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Brandon Williams (footballer), but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. A video published by an unverified YouTube channel is not an adequate source for adding material regarding ethnic descent on a biography of a living person, see WP:UGC. Mattythewhite (talk) 21:28, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227212800","author":"Mattythewhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mattythewhite-20221227212800-December_2022","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. I saw that you were the one who moved the page «Jorge Enrique de Souza» to «Jorge Henrique (footballer, born April 1982)». It seems to me that the change made is not entirely well planned, because whoever looks for the player will not necessarily know that he was born in April 1982, therefore, putting that as an identifier in the title from my perspective is not correct, it is more It is easy to identify him by his full name and, although colloquially he is only known as Jorge Henrique, most people will identify him faster by seeing both surnames in the title (just as it is in other Wikipedias such as the Portuguese or Spanish Wikipedia). That said, I hope it can be taken into account and revert the transfer to its original page, that is, with the full name. Regards! CarlosEduardoPA (talk) 16:32, 27 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221227163200","author":"CarlosEduardoPA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CarlosEduardoPA-20221227163200-Jorge_Henrique_de_Souza","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20221228035200-CarlosEduardoPA-20221227163200"]}}-->

• Hey @CarlosEduardoPA:, the page disambiguator (footballer, born April 1982) is one that follows WP:NCSP, and it's at Jorge Henrique because of WP:COMMONNAME since he doesn't use his full legal name. If you disagree, feel free to make a move request.--Ortizesp (talk) 03:52, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228035200","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221228035200-CarlosEduardoPA-20221227163200","replies":[]}}-->

You had moved Adriano (footballer, born 1994) to Adriano (footballer, born February 1994) although there is no other footballer Adriano born in 1994. If you agree, you can reverse the move. Jay 💬 06:30, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228063000","author":"Jay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jay-20221228063000-Adriano_1994","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20221228191400-Jay-20221228063000"]}}-->

Hey @Jay:, I also see Adriano (footballer, born August 1994). Ortizesp (talk) 19:14, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228191400","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20221228191400-Jay-20221228063000","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you for articles about footballers from many countries, 790 in 2022 alone, from Álvaro Aguirre to Abdullah Dıjlan Aydın, including related disambiguation, redirects and talk pages, for updates, categories and page moves, for "Don't see the harm", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

You are recipient no. 2790 of Precious, a prize of QAI. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:41, 28 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221228084100","author":"Gerda Arendt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gerda_Arendt-20221228084100-Precious","replies":[]}}-->

This is not an acceptable edit summary. You may remove a PROD tag if you believe the subject of an article notable, but the accompanying comment (which I see you have made multiple times) is personal comment that is neither appropriate nor necessary. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231028211800","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20231028211800-\"Not_convinced_BEFORE_was_done\"","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20231028212100-Vanamonde93-20231028211800"],"displayName":"Vanamonde"}}-->

I don't intend it to be personal, but if it's perceived that way perhaps I'll pick a different edit summary. Ortizesp (talk) 21:21, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231028212100","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20231028212100-Vanamonde93-20231028211800","replies":["c-Vanamonde93-20231028213600-Ortizesp-20231028212100"]}}-->

It is explicitly a personal comment when the person placing the PROD explicitly says they searched for sources, as I did. Did you read the PROD tag? You removed ten PRODs in two minutes, not an approach well-suited to examining the articles individually. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:36, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231028213600","author":"Vanamonde93","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vanamonde93-20231028213600-Ortizesp-20231028212100","replies":["c-Rosguill-20231028231300-Vanamonde93-20231028213600"],"displayName":"Vanamonde"}}-->

I came here to complain about the same thing, regarding , Kraig Bonanken, John Grant (footballer, born 1988), Dennish Himawan but especially Sergei Svechkar and Berto Ferrero, who play for Russian leagues and for whom I did thorough further searches in Russian. If you accuse someone of not performing WP:BEFORE, you better have an easily-found source in hand. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231028231300","author":"Rosguill","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rosguill-20231028231300-Vanamonde93-20231028213600","replies":["c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20231029124700-Rosguill-20231028231300","c-Ortizesp-20231029193800-Rosguill-20231028231300"]}}-->

"Dep" is also an entirely useless edit summary. We can see you've deprodded, an insight into why would be helpful. MarchOfTheGreyhounds 12:47, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231029124700","author":"MarchOfTheGreyhounds","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20231029124700-Rosguill-20231028231300","replies":["c-Ortizesp-20231029193500-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20231029124700"],"displayName":"MarchOfThe"}}-->

"Dep" should have autofilled in to my usual "deprod" message, just a random error. Ortizesp (talk) 19:35, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231029193500","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20231029193500-MarchOfTheGreyhounds-20231029124700","replies":[]}}-->

As mentioned, I hope you guys don't take it personally. I'd just rather the FOOTY community discuss rather than PRODs, there's people I trust to find sources if they are out there. As mentioned above, I'll change the statement I make when I DEPROD. Ortizesp (talk) 19:38, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231029193800","author":"Ortizesp","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ortizesp-20231029193800-Rosguill-20231028231300","replies":[]}}-->