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Hi ObserveOwl, I am currently working on improving San Andreas with the goal of nominating it for GA sometime this month. I see you are the biggest contributor, so I wanted to ask you whether you had any objection, or if you had anything you wanted to add to the article. Thanks! RetroCosmos ^talk 13:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108134400","author":"RetroCosmos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RetroCosmos-20240108134400-GA_nomination_of_Grand_Theft_Auto:_San_Andreas","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20240108140800-RetroCosmos-20240108134400","c-ObserveOwl-20240108141100-RetroCosmos-20240108134400"]}}-->

@RetroCosmos: Hi! Yes, I substantially expanded the entire Development section by translating from the Portuguese article (the section only had a sentence before I expanded). There's still content in the Portuguese development section that I didn't get to translate, involving the character conception and technical aspects. The reception section is also quite short in comparison to the Portuguese one; while the English article doesn't even appear to mention awards, there's a whole list of awards and accolades received by the game in Portuguese. I could try to expand the article further by translating, if you want. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108140800","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240108140800-RetroCosmos-20240108134400","replies":["c-RetroCosmos-20240108142600-ObserveOwl-20240108140800"]}}-->

That's awesome. My Portuguese is not too good (read: nonexistent) so your help would be amazing on that front.

If the Portuguese one is an FA - maybe the English one might have a shot! I have a dream of nominating it for TFA for the 20th anniversary of its release (26 Oct 2024) but maybe that might be not enough time. RetroCosmos ^talk 14:26, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108142600","author":"RetroCosmos","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-RetroCosmos-20240108142600-ObserveOwl-20240108140800","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20240108180600-RetroCosmos-20240108142600","c-ObserveOwl-20240117132800-RetroCosmos-20240108142600"]}}-->

That's interesting, I'm willing to help. Which part of the article do you think would benefit from a translated expansion first? I want to point out now that I've noticed a few issues in the Portuguese article. While translating, I saw a few cited sources (like WhatCulture and Sportskeeda) marked as unreliable at WP:RSP, so I made my best to replace them with reliable ones. Also, now that I'm revisiting the article, maybe that section has too many quotes. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 18:06, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108180600","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240108180600-RetroCosmos-20240108142600","replies":[]}}-->

Oh wow, I've been quite busy last week, but I see now that the article has been greatly improved. If you need any more help with adding stuff from the Portuguese article, please let me know. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 13:28, 17 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240117132800","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240117132800-RetroCosmos-20240108142600","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20240117141000-ObserveOwl-20240117132800"]}}-->

(Nice work, RetroCosmos and @Rhain!) ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240117141000","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240117141000-ObserveOwl-20240117132800","replies":[]}}-->

Oh yeah, forgot to mention that the article in Portuguese is featured. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 14:11, 8 January 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240108141100","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240108141100-RetroCosmos-20240108134400","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for the notification. I thought about ANI, but it was midnight when I reverted them and posted those comments. I did my best to sound reasonable on that user's talk. Now, I don't know what to add to that ANI discussion to be honest, so I'll just subscribe for now. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 07:54, 1 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240501075400","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240501075400-MicrobiologyMarcus-20240501005100","replies":[]}}-->

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Ooo, thank you! :D ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 23:13, 14 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240514231300","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240514231300-EggRoll97-20240514231000","replies":[]}}-->

It’s nice that you’re quotes In WP:BFDI made it on the source assessment! I like how you’re involved with trying to find/and or make sources for my favorite show! - Objectsshowsarethebest (talk) 00:25, 17 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517002500","author":"Objectsshowsarethebest","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Objectsshowsarethebest-20240517002500-Congrats!","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20240517085000-Objectsshowsarethebest-20240517002500"]}}-->

Thanks lol, I've enjoyed working on Wikipedia's coverage of popular online stuff, so BFDI's case does intrigue me a lot. Shout out to MrPersonHumanGuy for currently maintaining the list! ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 08:50, 17 May 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240517085000","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240517085000-Objectsshowsarethebest-20240517002500","replies":[]}}-->

on the mexican election page, I made the edit because claudia said she will give the cartels hugs not jail time and abolish the Mexican armed forces. This may sound far fetched but she said it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:7080:4F3F:172E:BAD5:7542:3B26:2604 (talk • contribs)

You need a source. And obviously do not insert "this is why you don't put women in power" in the article's own voice, even if it's true that she said that. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 05:34, 1 June 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240601053400","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240601053400-Mexico_2024_election","replies":[]}}-->

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Very cool, thanks! Will test it out. ObserveOwl (chit-chat • my doings) 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240721221800","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240721221800-Fastily-20240721015400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. You recently discussed "properly" warning a user: [1]. While you can assume an editor has read everything posted on their user talk page before their last logged-in activity, this only holds true for their own user talk page. Cheers CapnZapp (talk) 17:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906174500","author":"CapnZapp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CapnZapp-20240906174500-warning_a_user","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20240906174900-CapnZapp-20240906174500"]}}-->

True - I noticed that the user was sent a message on their user talk page as well, and I was referring to that. Sorry if I wasn't clear. ObserveOwl (talk) 17:49, 6 September 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240906174900","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20240906174900-CapnZapp-20240906174500","replies":[]}}-->

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Like, why everything? I would've just cleaned it up and shortened it but not remove it all. I am aware that the wiki exists and is a much better place for this but please don't remove it all. Tyshkovsky (talk) 02:28, 14 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014022800","author":"Tyshkovsky","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tyshkovsky-20241014022800-Why_you_delete_maps,_bundles,_gamemodes_and_queues_on_gorilla_tag?","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241014062900-Tyshkovsky-20241014022800"]}}-->

Hey @Tyshkovsky, I felt a bit bad removing it since I acknowledge that people spent time on it. I usually tilt towards retaining content on this encyclopedia. But draft reviewers would probably not accept it with that much information on it.

Firstly, the whole content was unsourced, failing the verifiability policy. I tried, but couldn't find a reliable source from the Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games/Sources list that I could cite to explain the maps or bundles in more detail. I only found some UploadVR pieces like this, which didn't provide a helpful overview on all of the game's maps.

Secondly, Wikipedia has a manual of style at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Video games with details about how game articles should be structured. See this part, particularly the 7th and 8th points. If you take a look at an article about some video game on this list, you should notice that they don't have that much in-game information like maps beyond what is reported by reliable sources.

Thirdly, the bundles section kinda violated this part of a policy, which states, "An article should not include product pricing or availability information (which can vary widely with time and location) unless there is an independent source and encyclopedic significance for the mention, which may be indicated by mainstream media sources or books (not just product reviews) providing commentary on these details instead of just passing mention."

To clarify your point, I did keep some information about the gamemodes as a list on Gorilla Tag#Gameplay as they were explained by independent sources like this one from ESRB. This gameplay section also briefly explains that queues and maps exist with a few examples, just like how this source does. So I did try to retain the most I could. Feel free to ask more questions to me here, or to others at the teahouse. ObserveOwl (talk) 06:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241014062900","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241014062900-Tyshkovsky-20241014022800","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241015172300-ObserveOwl-20241014062900"]}}-->

Sorry if I wrote too much, @Tyshkovsky. If you didn't read all that, what I said is that a lot of the details on the previous draft were not supported by reliable sources. From the sources that I found, I could only use some good coverage of the gamemodes and a few mentions of the maps and queues, which I kept on the gameplay section of the article. The bundles weren't mentioned by independent sources. ObserveOwl (talk) 17:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241015172300","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241015172300-ObserveOwl-20241014062900","replies":[]}}-->

Hello. I'm fleshing out David Lightfoot's article. I added prose (now archived) but still figuring out how to add the citations. Instructions would be welcome! This is my first time editing a Wikipedia page. Thanks! Betkala (talk) 19:29, 20 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020192900","author":"Betkala","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Betkala-20241020192900-David_Lightfoot","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241020200100-Betkala-20241020192900"]}}-->

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For uncontroversial information, you are allowed to cite from sources by David Lightfoot himself as explained at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Using the subject as a self-published source, but Wikipedia prefers independent sources for most of the articles. For example, he being "best known for his theoretical stance" would require an independent reliable source saying so.

Also, from a quick reading of the material you added (archived here), I can see that you've added some language like "More recently", which is relative to time and should be avoided (perhaps replaced by more precise dates). Avoid building your own interpretation of the sources that aren't explicitly stated by them (Wikipedia:No original research).

I hope this helps. This may seem a bit much, but feel free to ask me if you have more questions, or ask others at the teahouse. ObserveOwl (talk) 20:01, 20 October 2024 (UTC) (edited 20:10, 20 October 2024 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020200100","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241020200100-Betkala-20241020192900","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241020201300-ObserveOwl-20241020200100"]}}-->

Wait, @Betkala, self-published sources should not be used on biographies of living people, even if the source was written by an expert (other than David Lightfoot). The sources should be vetted. Sorry for any confusion! ObserveOwl (talk) 20:13, 20 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241020201300","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241020201300-ObserveOwl-20241020200100","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, I just wanted to thank you for reverting that. Wikipedia's in-built thank feature didn't seem like enough, so I just put it here. I was sleep-deprived, working on a huge project of mine, I got side-tracked, ended up here, and did the edit. Aknip (talk) 17:07, 21 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021170700","author":"Aknip","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aknip-20241021170700-Political_text_messaging_in_the_United_States","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241021174400-Aknip-20241021170700"]}}-->

No problem. Good luck on that project! ObserveOwl (talk) 17:44, 21 October 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241021174400","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241021174400-Aknip-20241021170700","replies":[]}}-->

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shush, bot, i'm too busy refreshing the watchlist every 2 seconds ObserveOwl (talk) 00:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241119005300","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241119005300-MediaWiki_message_delivery-20241119004400","replies":[]}}-->

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For managing the WP:BFDI fiasco. I'm already having a headache from answering to all those discussions and writing the FAQ. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ (CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST) 21:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125210900","author":"LunaEclipse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LunaEclipse-20241125210900-A_barnstar_for_you!_2","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241126092400-LunaEclipse-20241125210900"]}}-->

Thanks! It's been a bit of a learning experience for me. It was a pretty good idea to create the FAQ. ObserveOwl (talk) 09:24, 26 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126092400","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241126092400-LunaEclipse-20241125210900","replies":[]}}-->

So you're saying that stating that there's only one God is taking one side without acknowledging the other. What about the flat-earth theory? Is saying that the Earth is round siding with a belief and not acknowledging the other? There has been plenty of proof. Same thing with God. If there's no God, who made the Universe? "Oh heat and density and stuff". Then what caused that? because that's part of the universe. there's no heat without atoms. If the big bang made everything, then what caused the big bang? There has to be some sort of higher power, right? Something eternal. God. So that's cleared up. Now how do you know there's only one? Well, if God could make the entire universe, he has to be perfect. Those "gods" in other religions; well, they usually each have a few things they are mainly associated with if not only one. For example; Hindus believe Varuna is the god of water. that's one thing. Polytheistic religions usually have gods who do both bad and good things. Like how they can have affairs. God is faithful and forgiving, but he is just. He has the ten commandments: Honor your father and mother

You shall not steal

You shall not commit adultery

You shall not bear false witness

Keep the Sabbath holy

You shall not kill

Remember to keep holy the

You shall have no other gods

You shall not covet (jealousy for what's not yours)

You shall not make idols

You shall not murder

Thou shalt have no other gods

You shall not give false testimony

A lot of these are things that most people--despite religion--apply to in their day-to-day lives because it's universally accepted, like not lying or stealing. but he also says not to worship other gods. Polytheistic gods are thought to not care as long as you make a sacrifice. There you have it. Now could I please just edit in peace? it's not vandalism Getblacklisted (talk) 00:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128003400","author":"Getblacklisted","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Getblacklisted-20241128003400-If_you_don't_know_what_I'm_talking_about_go_to_my_talk_page,_then_you'll_remembe","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241128005800-Getblacklisted-20241128003400"]}}-->

@Getblacklisted: I didn't say it was vandalism! Reverts aren't just for vandalism, and I didn't say I disagree with your ideas - but Wikipedia is not for arguing between editors about what ideas they believe are more valid or not. (You can do that on the Wikidebate project on Wikiversity, outside Wikipedia.) It is just for republishing information reported by reliable sources.

Obviously yeah, Wikipedia can't present flat Earth as being as valid as spherical Earth, but that's because all reliable sources report the latter as true. But what about God? I don't think there's consensus about its existence among reliable literature. The article Figure of the Earth does not mention flat Earth outside a navigational hatnote and the "See also" section, but Existence of God#Arguments lists points from both beliefs without presenting any argument as particularly more valid than other.

So I am not going into theological arguments here, Wikipedia is not RationalWiki. This encyclopedia follows sources with fact-checking reputation and editorial oversight as explained by Wikipedia:Reliable sources. ObserveOwl (talk) 00:58, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128005800","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241128005800-Getblacklisted-20241128003400","replies":["c-Getblacklisted-20241128162700-ObserveOwl-20241128005800"]}}-->

Yes but what if someone saw the article and just thought it was true? Without any other evidence or research? Getblacklisted (talk) 16:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128162700","author":"Getblacklisted","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Getblacklisted-20241128162700-ObserveOwl-20241128005800","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241128164500-Getblacklisted-20241128162700"]}}-->

It doesn't seem like the article has any wording that validates or invalidates the belief. It mostly focuses on its history and ideas. Monotheism is mentioned in the opening paragraph, and other types of faith are linked on the "Part of a series on Theism" template on the right. ObserveOwl (talk) 16:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128164500","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241128164500-Getblacklisted-20241128162700","replies":["c-Getblacklisted-20241128181100-ObserveOwl-20241128164500"]}}-->

Ok ok whatever you win Getblacklisted (talk) 18:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128181100","author":"Getblacklisted","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Getblacklisted-20241128181100-ObserveOwl-20241128164500","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241128190300-Getblacklisted-20241128181100"]}}-->

Um, okay, sure... sorry if I've been a bit unwelcoming, but Wikipedia has rules that can take a while to get used to. Feel free to post at the Teahouse or reach me if you have any questions. ObserveOwl (talk) 19:03, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128190300","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241128190300-Getblacklisted-20241128181100","replies":[]}}-->

The editor of FakeMartin2 provided several faked information on Jason Liang's chess page. May you help undo his/her edits? PotsdamChess (talk) 06:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223063200","author":"PotsdamChess","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PotsdamChess-20241223063200-Jason_Liang's_chess_page","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241223103800-PotsdamChess-20241223063200"]}}-->

@PotsdamChess: done! I'll watch the page for for some time in case the vandalism continues. Do you need help on how to undo an edit? ObserveOwl 🎄 (talk) 10:38, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223103800","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241223103800-PotsdamChess-20241223063200","replies":["c-ObserveOwl-20241223104500-ObserveOwl-20241223103800","c-ObserveOwl-20241223105200-ObserveOwl-20241223103800"],"displayName":"ObserveOwl\u00a0\ud83c\udf84"}}-->

Oh, I see you have somewhat of a COI on the page. See here; if someone is intentionally inserting an image of mangoes on the infobox of an unrelated biography, that's pretty much vandalism and you should be fine reverting them - even if you have a COI. ObserveOwl 🎄 (talk) 10:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223104500","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241223104500-ObserveOwl-20241223103800","replies":[],"displayName":"ObserveOwl\u00a0\ud83c\udf84"}}-->

One more thing - if you want to request a change to the article for others to do it, you can do so at Talk:Jason Liang by following the steps here. ObserveOwl 🎄 (talk) 10:52, 23 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241223105200","author":"ObserveOwl","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ObserveOwl-20241223105200-ObserveOwl-20241223103800","replies":[],"displayName":"ObserveOwl\u00a0\ud83c\udf84"}}-->