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Why did You delete the article Piotr Napierała a known polish historian without any discussion? TAlbinoni (talk) 00:40, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230402004000","author":"TAlbinoni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TAlbinoni-20230402004000-Why_deletion?","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20230402132900-TAlbinoni-20230402004000"]}}-->

There was an AfD discussion. The deletion was a realization of its outcome, performed by an admin, not by me. NicolausPrime (talk) 13:29, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230402132900","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20230402132900-TAlbinoni-20230402004000","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Nicolaus, I would have no objections to closing the discussion about your proposal to have me topic banned. If you concur, just go ahead and put in a WP:Closure request. You can refer to this message if it helps. Cheers, Thomas B (talk) 14:37, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331143700","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240331143700-Time_to_close?","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240331191700-Thomas_B-20240331143700"]}}-->

As you requested, I've submitted a closure request at WP:CR.

I wish you best luck with future edits. Happy Easter! NicolausPrime (talk) 19:17, 31 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331191700","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240331191700-Thomas_B-20240331143700","replies":["c-Thomas_B-20240401110300-NicolausPrime-20240331191700"]}}-->

Thanks and likewise. Thomas B (talk) 11:03, 1 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240401110300","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240401110300-NicolausPrime-20240331191700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi again Nicolaus, It looks like ANI/CR is very busy. What would you say to me accepting a voluntary one-month (all of April) topic ban? That will give you and the others time to get the article into the shape you envision. Maybe I just raised the issue at BLPN too soon? Thomas B (talk) 20:12, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403201200","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240403201200-Proposal","replies":["c-Thomas_B-20240403202200-Thomas_B-20240403201200"]}}-->

PS. The way I see this working is that you would then be able to close the ANI thread as moot and I would close the BLPN thread. That would save the administrators a lot of time, since they could then just archive the threads without having to close them. Whatever issues remain in May, I think we'll be able to resolve them more constructively, i.e., with less disuption to the community. What do you say? Thomas B (talk) 20:22, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403202200","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240403202200-Thomas_B-20240403201200","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240403204300-Thomas_B-20240403202200"]}}-->

Any changes that were supposed to be made to this article as an outcome of the recent discussions have been done already. The goal of the topic-ban is to prevent you from continuing to relitigate this. A one-month topic ban is not enough for this purpose.

What you can do to improve the situation is to wait at least six months, but better more, while constructively editing other articles on Wikipedia. Afterwards, if you succeed in convincing others that you understand why and how what you were doing was wrong and that you won't be repeating it, you will have a fair chance to have your sanction narrowed or even lifted.

You need to move on. NicolausPrime (talk) 20:43, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403204300","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240403204300-Thomas_B-20240403202200","replies":["c-Thomas_B-20240403204800-NicolausPrime-20240403204300"]}}-->

Okay, I have closed the BLPN thread as a sign of good faith.[1] You seem intent on making administrators do the work of officially sanctioning me. I'm sorry to hear that, but it is your prerogative. As is my right to appeal. Again, more work. I still say it would have been better just to ignore my BLPN thread. Cheers, Thomas B (talk) 20:48, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403204800","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240403204800-NicolausPrime-20240403204300","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240403210400-Thomas_B-20240403204800"]}}-->

The sanction is necessary because you've previously said a few times that you're going to cease or reduce involvement, but failed to follow through. At this point it's not possible for me to believe that you won't re-relitigate this in the near time and thus force us to address your actions yet again. Our capability for attention is limited, and an indefinite topic ban is the right solution to preserve it.

I hope you don't think we're doing this because we hold a grudge against you. Though we could, as you've been demanding a lot from our attention spans. I wish you (and WCM) well, and I'm pretty sure others do too. NicolausPrime (talk) 21:04, 3 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240403210400","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240403210400-Thomas_B-20240403204800","replies":["c-Thomas_B-20240404054200-NicolausPrime-20240403210400"]}}-->

I would hardly call it re-litigating, since I haven't pursued litigation in the first place. That's something you have done by proposing blocks and bans. I have merely discussed the edits that have been proposed in various relevant forums. It is you who have demanded a lot of attention from the community.

I don't care whether it's a "grudge"; you have definitely reached a judgment about what sort of person I am. My interest is only in the quality and fairness of the Tim Hunt article. (It's one of the few reasons I've been editing at all these past few years.) This last round, as I have explained, has revealed a change in the culture at WP. I honestly did not expect your ANI strategy to work. I thought it would be summarily dismissed and we would be encouraged to pursue the traditional DR process for much longer. But suddenly I was blocked. It felt very strange, but that is how things appear to work now.

Also, I did not expect Loki's suggestion to be promoted as a "consensus" so quickly. I thought my arguments were sound and Loki's suggestion was somewhat inchoate. The discussion -- occasioned by my objections -- vastly improved the proposed change, including finding some good scholarly sources. (Puzzlingly, those sources have not made into the current version.) I thought, in accordance with BLP, that the process would remain on the talk page (where I was actively contributing) until a consensus was reached. By "consensus", I meant a version that I could consent to. (The article did change a little over those few days and I agreed to those changes.) Since this is the reputation of a real person we risked tarnishing, caution appeared in order. I still don't see the rush.

Finally, I think the current "consensus" is to ignore S Marshall's guidance about expanding the rest of the article. If I were allowed to work on the article, I would follow it; i.e., I would accept that the consensus is to have a detailed description of the controversy (though I would tell the story somewhat differently, if I could convince others) but that this requires that we expand the rest of the article, especially information about his service to science outside the lab (as a policy person and public speaker). I have lots to contribute there.

Obvioulsy, this note to you is just a preview of my appeal to WP:UNBAN, should that become necessary. And, with that, my offer to take a voluntary one-month topic-ban is withdrawn. Be well. Thomas B (talk) 05:42, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240404054200","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240404054200-NicolausPrime-20240403210400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, not sure if Bbb23 is going to take that one. Consider opening the SPI again with the evidence presented as it stands now? Zenomonoz (talk) 04:41, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240416044100","author":"Zenomonoz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zenomonoz-20240416044100-SPI","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240416111000-Zenomonoz-20240416044100","c-NicolausPrime-20240417222600-Zenomonoz-20240416044100"]}}-->

I'd be eager to pursue this, but I'm worried that SPI may fail again. I don't know how high is the bar for circumstantial evidence. NicolausPrime (talk) 11:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240416111000","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240416111000-Zenomonoz-20240416044100","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240417000700-NicolausPrime-20240416111000"]}}-->

I'll definitely open another SPI investigation in a few days if no ban comes, as the sock is now fighting yet another edit war, this time on Czech Republic, reinserting HetmanWL's changes. NicolausPrime (talk) 00:07, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417000700","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240417000700-NicolausPrime-20240416111000","replies":["c-Zenomonoz-20240417001500-NicolausPrime-20240417000700"]}}-->

Yeah I'd give it a while. It's possible an admin is looking behind the scenes. I'd take any blatant edit warring on the noticeboard, but the Czech one looks like it skirts 3RR for now. Cheers. Zenomonoz (talk) 00:15, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417001500","author":"Zenomonoz","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Zenomonoz-20240417001500-NicolausPrime-20240417000700","replies":[]}}-->

Yet another piece of evidence: It appears Galehautt created the article TVP World [2], but it was moved to draftspace (where it was deleted? I can't find the original revision as authored by Galehautt). FeldmarschallGneisenau later recreated this article. [3].

Sorry for so many notifications, it just helps me to gradually dump all this somewhere before I go to SPI. NicolausPrime (talk) 22:26, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240417222600","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240417222600-Zenomonoz-20240416044100","replies":["c-Zenomonoz-20240418084500-NicolausPrime-20240417222600"]}}-->

Don't worry, I am not notified unless you ping me. The TPV thing is just blatant now lol. Let me know when you file the SPI so I can check it. Zenomonoz (talk) 08:45, 18 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240418084500","author":"Zenomonoz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Zenomonoz-20240418084500-NicolausPrime-20240417222600","replies":["c-Mellk-20240912143100-Zenomonoz-20240418084500"]}}-->

There is a new account, see this SPI case page. I think this is a pretty obvious WP:DUCK but perhaps I missed something in the report. Mellk (talk) 14:31, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912143100","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Mellk-20240912143100-Zenomonoz-20240418084500","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240912151900-Mellk-20240912143100"]}}-->

Thank you for notifying me. I wasn't aware of this SPI investigation. NicolausPrime (talk) 15:19, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912151900","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240912151900-Mellk-20240912143100","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240912154600-NicolausPrime-20240912151900"]}}-->

I suggest taking this to WP:ANI or WP:UAA. Impersonation should make this case strong enough for an indefinite block. It personally took me a moment to notice which user is you and which one is the other. NicolausPrime (talk) 15:46, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912154600","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240912154600-NicolausPrime-20240912151900","replies":["c-Mellk-20240912173600-NicolausPrime-20240912154600"]}}-->

Thanks for the input. The last SPI case was closed due to FG being indeffed so I will see if there is any result from the SPI any time soon. Of course, I do not like being impersonated but at this point they need a site ban. Mellk (talk) 17:36, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240912173600","author":"Mellk","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Mellk-20240912173600-NicolausPrime-20240912154600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi NicolausPrime, I have decided to appeal my block and ban. I'm drafting a statement in the sandbox[4], and I thought I may as well ask for comments from you and ScottishFinnishRadish already now. If there are any statements of fact that you think I'm getting wrong, please let me know. I expect to post it at ARBREQ in early May. Best, Thomas B (talk) 18:22, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240424182200","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240424182200-Heading_for_arbitration","replies":["c-NicolausPrime-20240424185200-Thomas_B-20240424182200"]}}-->

ArbCom will most likely refuse to take up this matter, as there's no indication of the normal Wikipedia processes failing. As for the content of the request itself, I have no comments.

I repeat my advice: instead of submitting this arbitration request, spend a few months editing Wikipedia without violating your topic ban, then apply for narrowing it through the normal appeal process. As long as your late activities on Wikipedia are virtually only about that one article and this topic ban, you're unlikely to achieve any positive effect. What's worse, continuing to litigate this will gradually convince people that you're WP:NOTHERE. NicolausPrime (talk) 18:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240424185200","author":"NicolausPrime","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NicolausPrime-20240424185200-Thomas_B-20240424182200","replies":["c-Thomas_B-20240424190700-NicolausPrime-20240424185200"]}}-->

Thanks for having a look. It's very possible you're right that they'll reject it, but if they do I really don't want to contribute to Wikipedia any longer. So I guess "not here" applies in a certain sense. But let's see. I got the sense in some of the discussion on user talk pages that what happened to me wasn't to everyone's liking. Thomas B (talk) 19:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240424190700","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240424190700-NicolausPrime-20240424185200","replies":[]}}-->

I've filed the arbitration request.[5] Thomas B (talk) 15:41, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240516154100","author":"Thomas B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thomas_B-20240516154100-Arbitration","replies":[]}}-->

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