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As your proposal failed, would I be able to change the redirect so it links here instead, as I think this may be more relevant. Thanks, Acather96 (talk) 18:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-25T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Acather96","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Acather96-2010-05-25T18:21:00.000Z-WikiPolice","replies":[]}}-->

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Would you mind going back to that article, take a look at the sentence of which you deleted part, and put revise it in some way that makes sense, instead of leaving something behind that is totally meaningless. You are obviously knowledgable in this subject so please fix it!. Amandajm (talk) 09:39, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T09:39:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2013-07-30T09:39:00.000Z-Parish","replies":["c-Newbiepedian-2013-07-30T10:24:00.000Z-Amandajm-2013-07-30T09:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Apologies, I overlooked that. Fixed, with a reference.--Newbiepedian (Hailing Frequencies) 10:24, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T10:24:00.000Z","author":"Newbiepedian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Newbiepedian-2013-07-30T10:24:00.000Z-Amandajm-2013-07-30T09:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks! I have just scoffed the whole five-pack of Tim Tams, so maybe you'd settle for this! Amandajm (talk) 10:35, 30 July 2013 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2013-07-30T10:35:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2013-07-30T10:35:00.000Z-Some_baklava_for_you!","replies":["c-Arjayay-2015-10-15T18:05:00.000Z-Amandajm-2013-07-30T10:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

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Hi - thanks for reviewing my submission. It was originally proposed as a section of 'menstruation' as you suggest, and it was those authors who advised to initiate a new page. It is a very large and significant topic in its own right.

I submitted an earlier draft (actually before I meant to) and it was rejected on the same grounds as yours. That reviewer 'retired' before seeing my reply, and another one contacted me to say 'resubmit the [same] article as another reviewer may accept it'.

There are several other existing pages that could be subsumed into 'menstrual management' eg 'menstrual cups', 'reusable menstrual pads' (I'm citing from memory), even 'menstrual hygiene day' and ' menstrual taboos'.

The range and diversity of menstrual management practices across the world is an important area of knowledge that is under-researched in English, and would massively benefit from a wiki approach. There is a lot of evidence that development workers tend to believe that not to use commercial disposable pads is to have 'nothing at all', and that the effect on menstruators is to stop them working or going to school. This is not the case - it's a much more interesting and complex picture (see Joshi et al. in Waterlines Jan 2015, also the work of Sinu Joseph through MythriSpeaks 2014-2015).There is so much more to learn from each other!

I hope you might reconsider your judgment. Until then, I'll keep trying to get it published one way or another.

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Thank you for the follow-up post User:Newbiepedian. I've sent a message to the new address you've provided. With regards, Anupam^Talk

Thank you for taking the time to review the article I wrote.

I understand most of your comments, or at least I can see where I need to go in order to get a better understanding of what is needed.

There is one exception - the NPOV comment. Knowing how controversial the general area of the Highland Clearances can be, I tried very hard to maintain a strictly NPOV. That is part of the reason that there are so many quotes - rather than paraphrase in my own words, and be vulnerable to the criticism of pushing my own POV, I chose to include the words of the respected sources that I quoted. Similarly, a lot of effort went into selecting quotes which represented contrasting views on the subject matter.

Where exactly did you feel that the article breached NPOV? Camerojo (talk) 23:39, 5 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-05T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Camerojo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Camerojo-2016-08-05T23:39:00.000Z-RE:_Highland_and_Island_Emigration_Society_review","replies":["c-Newbiepedian-2016-08-05T23:44:00.000Z-Camerojo-2016-08-05T23:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Y'know, going through it I just collated problems by category of problem, and neglected to realise that there was only a single NPOV problem in the article, which I've now gone and amended. It was the description of the history of the Highland Clearances as "sad", which is a qualitative judgment, and therefore not NPOV. I've removed the word "sad" and un-tagged the article for NPOV. Hope that helps!--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 23:44, 5 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-05T23:44:00.000Z","author":"Newbiepedian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Newbiepedian-2016-08-05T23:44:00.000Z-Camerojo-2016-08-05T23:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Camerojo-2016-08-06T00:02:00.000Z-Newbiepedian-2016-08-05T23:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Great - I think I can take it from here. Thanks for your quick response. However, while I have your attention, you clearly didn't like my overuse of quotes. When I was writing it, I was aware that my extensive use of quoting made the article look a bit odd compared to other WP articles, but I felt it was necessary to avoid any NPOV issues. I have often seen cases where an WP author's paraphrasing of a reference has introduced their own POV which, on checking, is not present in the reference itself. This has been particularly common in the Highland Clearances page whose NPOV I have spent some time defending over the last couple of years. What would you recommend? Even apart from the risk of introducing a POV, my own paraphrasing of a source is unlikely to be as well expressed as the original. Camerojo (talk) 00:02, 6 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-06T00:02:00.000Z","author":"Camerojo","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Camerojo-2016-08-06T00:02:00.000Z-Newbiepedian-2016-08-05T23:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Newbiepedian-2016-08-08T09:49:00.000Z-Camerojo-2016-08-06T00:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's no way around it, I'm afraid, you just need to put it in your own words. I find it helps to restructure what was said - formulate it in a stream of thought that flows naturally, rather than the staccato of listing quoted facts. I personally find it fairly easy to avoid introducing a bias when rephrasing things, so I don't really know what to recommend. Thing is, if you do introduce a POV, it'll undoubtedly be picked up on by other editors, especially if you put it forward for GA again in future, so I wouldn't worry.--Newbiepedian (talk · contribs · X! · logs) 09:49, 8 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-08T09:49:00.000Z","author":"Newbiepedian","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Newbiepedian-2016-08-08T09:49:00.000Z-Camerojo-2016-08-06T00:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Camerojo-2016-08-08T22:12:00.000Z-Newbiepedian-2016-08-08T09:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many of the sources I quote are difficult to find - often out of print books or articles that I have acquired after a fair bit of research over the years. So any POV that might be introduced by paraphrasing would not be easily picked up by other editors without access to the sources. Even apart from POV issues, I would regret the loss of information that comes from not providing rare and hard to come by original material. On the style side, it is disappointing that you find the text to be a "stacatto list of quoted facts" because I put a lot of effort into trying to avoid just that. I know it looks funny with all the quotes standing out - but I thought it flowed pretty well when read - however I guess that I am biased in that view! I will work on all the other issues you raised but will probably leave most of the quotes. If that costs me GA status, so be it. Sorry to be argumentative. I do appreciate your taking the time to respond. Camerojo (talk) 22:12, 8 August 2016 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2016-08-08T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Camerojo","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Camerojo-2016-08-08T22:12:00.000Z-Newbiepedian-2016-08-08T09:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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