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All links used in the chapter "The ancient Greek seven - string Lyre nowadays" are not promo, as stated, but a proof of evidence supporting the article. More specifically all links are proving that:

- A solist of the instrument that has a huge contribution of it's revival (Dr. Nikos Xanthoulis) exists.

- Academic studies on learning how to play the ancient Greek seven - string Lyre exist (conservatory of Nikaia and Democritus University of Thrace).

- A complete learning method of the instrument.

- Growing repertoire written specificaly for this instrument.

All above are vital parts in order to revive the ancient Greek lyre and must be included in the wikipedia article to provide information to any user interested on the topic. Διήων (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120102200","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120102200-Ancient_Greek_Lyre_-_Nowadays_part","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120123200-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120102200"]}}-->

It is blatant promo, including inappropriate external links. See WP:NOT - Wikipedia is not the place to 'spread the word' about such developments, certainly not based on primary sources. MrOllie (talk) 12:32, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120123200","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120123200-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120102200","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200"]}}-->

How exactly academic studies on the top of the ancient Greek lyre, the existence of a learning method after almost two millennia and the revival of the instrument is blatant promo? Διήων (talk) 15:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120150200","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120150200-MrOllie-20241120123200","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120151300-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120150200"]}}-->

The text was plainly added to promote Dr. Xanthoulis and the program in question 100% of the sourcing comes from those entities. Wikipedia needs independent, secondary sources - materials written by people entirely unassociated with Xanthoulis or the University in question. You appear to be associated with this program yourself - you are likely in violation of Wikipedia's terms of use as explained at WP:PAID and WP:COI. MrOllie (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120151300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120151300-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120150200","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300"]}}-->

What do you mean the university in question? Do you say that the university is a not existing foundation or you are assuming that the research provided as a verification of the article via academia is not an acceptable source??? I think you underestimate the importance of the revival of the instrument after 1600 years. Διήων (talk) 15:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120153900","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120153900-MrOllie-20241120151300","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120154500-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120153900"]}}-->

If you do not understand what a primary source is, or if you have other questions about Wikipedia in general, please consult WP:RSPRIMARY and/or follow up at WP:TEAHOUSE. But first, you must address your WP:COI. MrOllie (talk) 15:45, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120154500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120154500-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120153900","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500"]}}-->

To begin with there is no conflict of interest here. You are using the term wrong. my only interest on the subject is as a musician and i recentrly discovered the existence of such academic curiculum and I find it exremely important for the instrument and it's story that's why i made the addition. According to WP:COI article that you were kind enough to share what i posted is not violating anything. No financial or any other benefits are coming from the publication of the existence after 1600 years of academic studies on the ancient Greek Lyre and the story behind it. I really don't get why you keep editing and removing such an important part of the article, even though several links of verification have been provided. You say that the article is promoting the work of Dr. Xanthoulis but it is not doing such a thing, it only recognise his contribution on the revision of an ancient instrument. If you took some minutes to review the links assosiate with this part of the article you could see yourself that they are coming from different sources and all verify the informations i posted. Please consider what I said above before re-editing the article. The revival of this instrument is big news in the musical world. Διήων (talk) 16:01, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120160100","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100-MrOllie-20241120154500","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120163900-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100","c-MrOllie-20241120164000-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100"]}}-->

If there is no conflict of interest, how did you come to take the photographs you uploaded at File:Firstcirclegraduatesdelphi.jpg, and File:NikosXanthoulisLyreBlackBackground.jpg, both of which you tagged as your own work? MrOllie (talk) 16:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120163900","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120163900-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900"]}}-->

I found them from facebook posts in a group about the Greek lyre, I asked permission to post them here and I got it. I did not take the pictures myself. Διήων (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120164800","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120164800-MrOllie-20241120163900","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120164800-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120164800"]}}-->

I'll tag them as copyright violations, then, since you uploaded them in error. MrOllie (talk) 16:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120164800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120164800-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120164800","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800"]}}-->

No copyright violation, they are posted publically and I have the permision to post them from the owner. Διήων (talk) 16:52, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120165200","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165200-MrOllie-20241120164800","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120165500-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165200"]}}-->

Being posted publically is irrelevant. That you have permission is nice, but they need to give Wikipedia permission, you may not freely license images on someone else's behalf. Process for that can be found at Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission. MrOllie (talk) 16:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120165500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120165500-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165200","replies":[]}}-->

Also, if this is 'big news in the musical world' that does not explain your use of primary sources. Also, Wikipedia is not a place to spread 'big news', see WP:NOTNEWS. You're simply trying to get Wikipedia to do something it is not designed to do. - MrOllie (talk) 16:40, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120164000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120164000-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120160100","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000"]}}-->

I think you have a personal reason for not wanting the informations regarding the ancient Greek lyre in the modern world to be on wikipedia... It is interesting information and there is no reason to not have them in the article. Διήων (talk) 16:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120165100","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165100-MrOllie-20241120164000","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120165600-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165100"]}}-->

You got me, I have been editing Wikipedia for years in preparation for this moment, keeping your promotion of somebody's musical career and classes off of Wikipedia. MrOllie (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120165600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120165600-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120165100","replies":["c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600"]}}-->

It's also interesting that you keep bringing up this view on the matter. The edit was about the revival of the ancient Greek lyre. We did not know absolutetly anything about the instrument apart from archaelogical finds. A recreation of the instrument was made possible due to the reaserch work of Mr Xanthoulis (I provided the links from academia with his pappers on the subject as verified proof) and I will say it once more.... after 1600 of silence the ancient Greek lyre is now sounding again and this should be part of the article too. Now regarding the "classes" its an academic program and know that in Greece several universites are public, like the Dimocritus University of Thrace, and they are non-profit institutions. Your arguments are invalid and extremely curious. Διήων (talk) 17:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120171000","author":"\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120171000-MrOllie-20241120165600","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120171400-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120171000"]}}-->

They might seem curious if you completely fail to engage with their substance - which is that adding material like this based on primary sources is counter to Wikipedia's content policies. It isn't just me - other editors have noticed the same thing, and you are edit warring with them as well to try to force this into Wikipedia. It simply does not belong here. MrOllie (talk) 17:14, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120171400","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120171400-\u0394\u03b9\u03ae\u03c9\u03bd-20241120171000","replies":["c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400"]}}-->

I just googled your wiki name and several articles and post came up saying you are really into edit wars and some even said you are a "paid contributor". The fact that you are bold enough to say that the revival of the ancient greek lyre, the fact that people are again studying it, music is composed for it and even academic studies on the subject exist proves that you are either stubborn or serve your own agenda. I already answered to several accusations of yours and there are no evidence to your claims. My edit is truthful and I have documented it enough to support it. 2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371 (talk) 17:20, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120172000","author":"2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000-MrOllie-20241120171400","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000"]}}-->

Don't believe every bit of nonsense you find on google. MrOllie (talk) 17:42, 20 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241120174200","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241120174200-2A02:1388:14A:DB17:D8CB:40FF:FEA3:4371-20241120172000","replies":["c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200"]}}-->

Ain't THAT the truth. BusterD (talk) 12:19, 21 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241121121900","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-BusterD-20241121121900-MrOllie-20241120174200","replies":[]}}-->

The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar

Your name seems to appear repeatedly throughout my time on Huggle, the abuse filter log, and just about anywhere disruption occurs. Hats off to you, good sir. Synorem (talk) 07:06, 22 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241122070600","author":"Synorem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Synorem-20241122070600-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Mr. Ollie!

I seen that you removed my added text from the article "Smoothie King" for the reason of not encompassing a neutral point of view. I'm not looking to conflict with your reasoning, but from the actions you've taken on my edits, I will take your feedback into consideration and revise my changes! To avoid this in the future from other editors, if not yourself, any recommendations you don't mind giving to a neophyte, such as myself, for editing articles on Wikipedia? I have a definitive understanding for some of the required principles (sources, respectable tone, research) for editing on Wikipedia, but now is when I am actually applying them, hoping to avoid extremities! Thanks Mr. Ollie!

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My recommendation is to use only independent, secondary sources. Don't use press releases or press-release churnalism articles, and particularly do not import wording from press releases into Wikipedia. When you start with promotional sources you are going to end up with promotional results, and that doesn't meet WP:NPOV. MrOllie (talk) 19:42, 23 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241123194200","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241123194200-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","replies":[]}}-->

Strikethrough 201.227.221.154 (talk) 23:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241127231700","author":"201.227.221.154","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-201.227.221.154-20241127231700-Kelly_Carolinian-20241123193700","replies":[]}}-->

Chris Messina was not the first person to apply usage of a hashtag on the Twitter platform, I cited the source which was Sylvain Carle in Montreal, Canada from his Twitter account. If you don't like my change, at least remove that Chris Messina used the first hashtag on Twitter, which is completely FALSE. Perspicaciousonion (talk) 04:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128044700","author":"Perspicaciousonion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700-Do_not_spread_misinformation","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700"]}}-->

You added a link to a search, which is not a usable citation on Wikipedia, and which doesn't actually show what you seem to think it shows - not unusual, since twitter search links are notoriously unreliable and show different results for different users. MrOllie (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128132000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241128132000-Perspicaciousonion-20241128044700","replies":["c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000"]}}-->

So which source do you think is most reliable to disprove that he did not in fact, send out the first hashtag onto that platform? Perspicaciousonion (talk) 16:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241128161900","author":"Perspicaciousonion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900-MrOllie-20241128132000","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900"]}}-->

This is a well researched topic, I would expect you can find something like a peer-reviewed article or a book on the history of computing or social media. Also have a look at WP:RS, which explains sourcing standards for Wikipedia articles. MrOllie (talk) 02:23, 29 November 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241129022300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241129022300-Perspicaciousonion-20241128161900","replies":[]}}-->

gREAT TO SEE YOU

Kafudoariri (talk) 08:31, 1 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201083100","author":"Kafudoariri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kafudoariri-20241201083100-hey","replies":[]}}-->

I began this RfC on 6/14/24: [1] The RfC template was removed by bot on 7/1/24: [2]. I attempted to restart the RfC on 7/25/24 in hope of drawing more participants to the discussion but I put the code in the wrong spot, and the RfC template never appeared:[3]. So it wasn’t actually restarted. I have also checked the all RfCs page and could not find this one listed. When I noticed, I fixed the placement of the code on 8/23/24 - restarting the RfC for the first time: [4]. Eleven minutes later, you reverted my action, effectively stymieing further participation. Your rationale was: “nope, we don't keep relisting these indefinately.(sic)” [5]. So, this RfC has never been relisted, not even once. I therefore wish to relist it, but before doing so, I wanted to explain the circumstances and be sure you were not going to revert it again. .

By the way, even if it was relisted once, it has now been 4 months since then. According to WP:RFC, discussions can relisted so long as they aren’t closed Wikipedia:Requests for comment#Restarting an RfC. There is no policy prohibiting more than one relisting.

Please let me know if you intend to delete the relisting again, in which case I would rather discuss it here first. Ian Oelsner (talk) 22:24, 1 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241201222400","author":"Ian Oelsner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400-Relisting_Polyvagal_Theory_RfC","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400"]}}-->

Ian, you did in fact relist the RFC once. You then relisted it again a month later - RFCs are not meant to be relisted again and again - this is not something you can keep open until you get the result you want. Even relisting it once was inappropriate, given your COI. It is time to stop starting RFCs over and over, and then relisting RFCs over and over. That is an abuse of the process. Instead, it is time to accept that the Wikipedia article will not be what you or your employer would like it to be. I definitely will revert if you continue to try to relist the RFC. MrOllie (talk) 00:45, 2 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241202004500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241202004500-Ian_Oelsner-20241201222400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, have a good time.

About this [6] ,i wanted to ask if this source [7] is valid?

By the way, is the passage acceptable in this way:

"In contemporary society, the process of buying, selling, and transferring goods, services, and other valuable commodities through computer networks is increasingly recognized as electronic commerce. This transformation is largely driven by advancements in technology, which have facilitated the integration of electronic devices into the commercial sphere. As a result, consumers are no longer constrained by geographic location and can engage in online shopping and ordering from virtually any place, provided there is internet connectivity. This ubiquity of access to digital platforms has fundamentally reshaped traditional commerce, enabling a more flexible and globally interconnected marketplace."

Thanks.

FactFinder1402 (talk) 05:39, 7 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207053900","author":"FactFinder1402","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FactFinder1402-20241207053900-question","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241207145700-FactFinder1402-20241207053900"]}}-->

No, see WP:INVESTOPEDIA. MrOllie (talk) 14:57, 7 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207145700","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241207145700-FactFinder1402-20241207053900","replies":["c-FactFinder1402-20241207160700-MrOllie-20241207145700"]}}-->

Thanks for your reply

how about these sources? Are they reliable?

[8],[9], [10]

FactFinder1402 (talk) 16:07, 7 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207160700","author":"FactFinder1402","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FactFinder1402-20241207160700-MrOllie-20241207145700","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241207164100-FactFinder1402-20241207160700"]}}-->

With respect, you should read WP:RS thoroughly and evaluate these sorts of things yourself. If you have general questions about Wikipedia you may ask them at WP:TEAHOUSE. MrOllie (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207164100","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241207164100-FactFinder1402-20241207160700","replies":["c-FactFinder1402-20241207173700-MrOllie-20241207164100"]}}-->

I ask this question because I want to add that passage to the article and I want to know if these sources are acceptable for it?

Because I don't want it to be deleted again

thanks.

FactFinder1402 (talk) 17:37, 7 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241207173700","author":"FactFinder1402","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-FactFinder1402-20241207173700-MrOllie-20241207164100","replies":[]}}-->

I've been leaving you msgs everywhere. I lightly outlined som major problems and under your name ull see a slightly more outlined one. However, without knowing if it will be fix I'm only gat about 10% of the information 2601:541:800:56D0:BDA3:68E4:2275:EA94 (talk) 22:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208224900","author":"2601:541:800:56D0:BDA3:68E4:2275:EA94","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:541:800:56D0:BDA3:68E4:2275:EA94-20241208224900-Kundalini","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241208225100-2601:541:800:56D0:BDA3:68E4:2275:EA94-20241208224900"]}}-->

I have no idea who you are or what you're talking about. MrOllie (talk) 22:51, 8 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241208225100","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241208225100-2601:541:800:56D0:BDA3:68E4:2275:EA94-20241208224900","replies":["c-MaitreyaBuddha00-20241210190100-MrOllie-20241208225100"]}}-->

you emailed me and said I was "rude" simply because I said much of the content was missing or incorrect MaitreyaBuddha00 (talk) 19:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210190100","author":"MaitreyaBuddha00","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MaitreyaBuddha00-20241210190100-MrOllie-20241208225100","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241210190300-MaitreyaBuddha00-20241210190100"]}}-->

No, I left a message on your user talk page (not an email) because you were making blatant personal attacks on other editors. For example you wrote: you have no place writing this article. you understand nothing. That is disruptive. MrOllie (talk) 19:03, 10 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241210190300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241210190300-MaitreyaBuddha00-20241210190100","replies":[]}}-->

https://tsdr.uspto.gov/#caseNumber=97760155&caseSearchType=US_APPLICATION&caseType=DEFAULT&searchType=statusSearch

or will it be considered a non approved external Link??

Appreciate your response. Ejaipal123 (talk) 03:44, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212034400","author":"Ejaipal123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ejaipal123-20241212034400-Can_I_add_citation_for_exergame_of_the_Approved_\"Exergame\"_trademarked_certifica","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241212034600-Ejaipal123-20241212034400"]}}-->

No. Wikipedia is not interested in the doings of the trademark office. Don't add the link again. MrOllie (talk) 03:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212034600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241212034600-Ejaipal123-20241212034400","replies":[]}}-->

Can you please review your reversion of this change. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PDF-XChange_Editor&oldid=1262037877 here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=PDF-XChange_Editor&oldid=1262075391 Even though I am a random IP, I think you'll find my change was justified and not contentious. 129.96.87.34 (talk) 01:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241214011000","author":"129.96.87.34","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-129.96.87.34-20241214011000-XChange_Editor","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241214011600-129.96.87.34-20241214011000"]}}-->

Only the Viewer arguably meets Wikipedia's WP:N inclusion critera. We'd need the required in-depth, independent sourcing to turn the editor redirect into an article. If you think you can provide such sourcing, you should start a draft and use the WP:AFC process. MrOllie (talk) 01:16, 14 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241214011600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241214011600-129.96.87.34-20241214011000","replies":["c-2402:E000:450:4B02:0:0:0:1-20241215015400-MrOllie-20241214011600"]}}-->

03467503314 2402:E000:450:4B02:0:0:0:1 (talk) 01:54, 15 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241215015400","author":"2402:E000:450:4B02:0:0:0:1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-2402:E000:450:4B02:0:0:0:1-20241215015400-MrOllie-20241214011600","replies":[]}}-->

	Happy Holidays
	Happy Holidays, and here's to the new year! Plasticwonder (talk) 22:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241217221200","author":"Plasticwonder","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plasticwonder-20241217221200-Happy_Holidays","replies":[]}}-->

You have indicated in a Talk message that you beleive we have added something that violates WP:OR. We believe you to be responding to an automated (bot) assessment, and we contend that it is the bot assessment that is in error, and that we have not added any content that is WP:OR. (Most likely, it is responding to our tagging or moving content that is WP:OR.) This can be said with some confidence, both because we are firmly committed to the policy of WP:VERIFY here, and as original content cannot be traced to a WP:RELIABLE source, we are likewise committed fully to complying with WP:OR. Otherwise, your not having indicated which article and edit is in question, we have to await your further reply. (Here, if possible, because we haven't time or bandwidth to monitor many places. But we will, in response to your kindness in reaching out, monitor your response here.) Cheers. 71.239.132.212 (talk) 03:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219031400","author":"71.239.132.212","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.239.132.212-20241219031400-Contention_with_regard_to_original_research","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241219032000-71.239.132.212-20241219031400"]}}-->

No bots were involved, no. Much of what you added was editorializing and not directly supported by sources. That is WP:OR. Since you don't edit much I suspect you know exactly which addition I'm talking about. MrOllie (talk) 03:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219032000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241219032000-71.239.132.212-20241219031400","replies":["c-71.239.132.212-20241219034600-MrOllie-20241219032000"]}}-->

It is possible that since this is IP editing, the address is conflating more than a single editor. For you are mistaken at least once in all these cases—for we indeed edit often, we are indeed very experienced, and we do not editorialise (though if another has, we generally do not do bold redactive edits, and so may therefore have moved existing editorial content). So again, I ask. What are we talking about? Cheers. 71.239.132.212 (talk) 03:46, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219034600","author":"71.239.132.212","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-71.239.132.212-20241219034600-MrOllie-20241219032000","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241219034800-71.239.132.212-20241219034600"]}}-->

If your IP is shared, apparently nothing. Also: Please do not repeatedly make minor changes to comments on other people's talk pages, as you did with the comment in the section above. The user in question gets a notification every single time you do, which is quite irritating. MrOllie (talk) 03:48, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219034800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241219034800-71.239.132.212-20241219034600","replies":["c-71.239.132.212-20241219035100-MrOllie-20241219034800"]}}-->

Can you not simply state an article page, so we can determine if there is an issue? As for the multiple corrections to the page, thank you for stating that. No one in close two decades took the time to state as much (if such notifications were indeed going on over that whole time). Cheers. 71.239.132.212 (talk) 03:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219035100","author":"71.239.132.212","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-71.239.132.212-20241219035100-MrOllie-20241219034800","replies":["c-71.239.132.212-20241219045600-71.239.132.212-20241219035100"]}}-->

Your confident, effortless decision stands for the moment, because we know that there is unstated bias against, and that we have no standing. The edit does not lack merit, and should not have been reverted on the whole, as you fail to make any substantive, real case anywhere for editorialising or WP:OR (the latter of which we in fact were first to tag, as it pre-existed). It appears that the care and respect we brought into this discussion was not reciprocated at any level. We end our discussion here. But we will call attention to your decisions at that article. 71.239.132.212 (talk) 04:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219045600","author":"71.239.132.212","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-71.239.132.212-20241219045600-71.239.132.212-20241219035100","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241219045800-71.239.132.212-20241219045600"]}}-->

So now this isn't a shared IP? Why do you keep referring to yourself as 'we'? MrOllie (talk) 04:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219045800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241219045800-71.239.132.212-20241219045600","replies":[]}}-->

Hello MrOllie, thank for the information about why my changes have been removed. I liked the structure of the german article about CrypTool better and tried to adapt it. Would you please be so kind to help me figure out how to do this more neutrally? What exactly causes the article to be unneutral?

Best, Canyon9556 (talk) 13:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219135600","author":"Canyon9556","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Canyon9556-20241219135600-Editing_the_CrypTool_Article","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241219140700-Canyon9556-20241219135600"]}}-->

It's presented like a product brochure - unsurprising, since most of the sourcing is the project's own website. The best way to write a neutral article is to find independent sources and summarize what they have to say, rather than repeating a group's self-descriptions. MrOllie (talk) 14:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219140700","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241219140700-Canyon9556-20241219135600","replies":[]}}-->

Some of the citations seem RS, others have no source and are just text. Doug Weller talk 17:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219172000","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20241219172000-You_know_this_editor","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241219172600-Doug_Weller-20241219172000"]}}-->

There's a certain ring of familiarity, but I don't think I know them, no. Articles on pseudosciences attract a lot of that kind of writing. MrOllie (talk) 17:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219172600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241219172600-Doug_Weller-20241219172000","replies":[]}}-->

Some text was removed and the reason was for copyright violation, but the text was not a violation of copyright so I undid it.

You reverted my changes and said it was not nuetral, I would like to ask how it is not nuetral?

It is discussing the historical origins of aquaponics, the sentence you removed was specifically referring to the evolution of system designs of the flood and drain system.

If it is not nuetral to say that todays flood and drain systems originiated from the work at NCSU, then why is the article allowed to say that the New Alchemy Institute laid the foundations for DWC? Why is it allowed to say that Rakocy's research had led to the adoption of deep water culture hydroponic grow beds? Wiki142B (talk) 21:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218210800","author":"Wiki142B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wiki142B-20241218210800-Nuetrality","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241218211500-Wiki142B-20241218210800"]}}-->

For exactly the same reasons we discussed on your user talk page, in the section titled 'May 2024'. Please try to read and follow the relevant policies this time, rather than asking me the same question which will have the same answer. MrOllie (talk) 21:15, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218211500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241218211500-Wiki142B-20241218210800","replies":["c-Wiki142B-20241218212600-MrOllie-20241218211500"]}}-->

Ok, so the issue is with the wording and not the topic being discussed. If I remove the word "pioneering" it will make the statement nuetral.

Thank you for the clarification and the prompt response. Wiki142B (talk) 21:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218212600","author":"Wiki142B","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wiki142B-20241218212600-MrOllie-20241218211500","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241218213500-Wiki142B-20241218212600"]}}-->

This is not about single words, this is about the consistent tone of your editing - which is exactly what I said last time you asked me this. MrOllie (talk) 21:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218213500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241218213500-Wiki142B-20241218212600","replies":["c-Wiki142B-20241218214400-MrOllie-20241218213500"]}}-->

You said that "Your writing is full of value-laden wording: examples include 'significant', 'pioneering', 'visionaries', 'significant strides', and so on. Please don't remove just those words and put the edits back - those are examples." I am unsure what you mean by the tone of my editing. The one being discussed now was a direct quote from a non-copyrighted source.

So instead of;

"The evolution of the “flood and drain systems” adopted in backyard aquaponics comes back to the pioneering work of Mark McMurtry."

I should replace it with;

"The development of 'flood and drain systems' in modern aquaponics can be traced to the research of Dr. Mark McMurtry at North Carolina State University." Wiki142B (talk) 21:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218214400","author":"Wiki142B","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wiki142B-20241218214400-MrOllie-20241218213500","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241218222700-Wiki142B-20241218214400"]}}-->

You should not replace it at all - your reworded version is still more about puffing McMurtry than informing the reader. MrOllie (talk) 22:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218222700","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241218222700-Wiki142B-20241218214400","replies":["c-Wiki142B-20241218223300-MrOllie-20241218222700"]}}-->

This is why I asked why the references to the New Alchemists and Rakocy were allowed, is it not "puffing" them up too?

It's a factual history of the development of flood and drain systems, it informs the reader of the history, foundation and evolution of that specific system type. It is supported by a reference, it is not an opinion.

An possible alternative would be to say "The development of 'flood and drain systems' in modern aquaponics can be traced to the research at North Carolina State University." Wiki142B (talk) 22:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218223300","author":"Wiki142B","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Wiki142B-20241218223300-MrOllie-20241218222700","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241218223500-Wiki142B-20241218223300"]}}-->

I'm not really interested in discussing unrelated sources or edits on my user talk page. The content of the sentence is promotional. There is no neutral way to word it because the promotion is the only thing there. MrOllie (talk) 22:35, 18 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241218223500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241218223500-Wiki142B-20241218223300","replies":["c-71.239.132.212-20241219033800-MrOllie-20241218223500"]}}-->

Replying to @User:Wiki142B—If you wish to promote work being done by a scientist a university, being one, and having done such for years, the path is straightforward.

• (1) Find a reputable secondary or tertiary scientific source—a review or text are examples—that makes a statement regarding the primary source research that you believe is pioneering. That is, it must be someone else that says this, in a reputable source, and not you or me (i.e., not WP editors). That review or book should not be by the individual on whom the accolade is being bestowed, nor should it by his research group, students, colleagues, collaborators, or university in any fashion (nor anyone else closely associated with him or the work). Otherwise, the individual making the statement has a WP:Conflict of Interest. That is, as we say here, the source needs to be from an independent, third-party source.
• (2) If possible, find a second source of the same type that says the same thing.
• (3) Etc.
• (4) Then, summarise the opinion of the two or more sources, regarding the primary research, and cite the secondary or tertiary sources using this sort of format (at the linked page, see the box at right). Note, if one reliable source says something positive, and another reliable source says something negative, it is standard practice to present both perspectives (e.g., when there are competing claims made with regard to a discovery), unless and until a consensus appears in the secondary and tertiary literature—in which case, it can be said, "Most individuals reviewing this matter conclude that it was the team of Brown and Goldstein (and their collaborators) that made the seminal discovery in this area.[1][2][3]".
• (5) After this care is taken, as a courtesy, the primary source that all these sources point to as being important can then be added. And,
• (6) As indicated, in making the statement, (a) titles like Dr, Prof, Nobel Laureate, etc. should not be used, (b) English given names are generally omitted (indicating only the last/family name, and leaving the citation to elaborate more fully), and (c) institutions are almost never indicated, because the affiliations of scientists are often complex (involving multiple institutions/departments), it often moreover takes tremendous careful historical work (or involves prohibited WP:OR) to accurately determine with absolute confidence where a particular individual was working when they made a discovery, and/or the courtesy primary source citation just mentioned speaks for itself with regard to the individual's affiliation(s).

That is how we have and would recommend accomplishing the edit that you appear to wish to make. Cheers. 71.239.132.212 (talk) 03:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219033800","author":"71.239.132.212","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-71.239.132.212-20241219033800-MrOllie-20241218223500","replies":["c-Wiki142B-20241219223100-71.239.132.212-20241219033800"]}}-->

That is a very thorough answer, and extremely helpful. Thank you. Wiki142B (talk) 22:31, 19 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219223100","author":"Wiki142B","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Wiki142B-20241219223100-71.239.132.212-20241219033800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Dear, I have made the valid contribution in Poonam Pandey wiki page, please review it again and revert the valid contribution from my side. She is an pornographic film actress. I have also added a valid cite too. Thank you. Eram7 (talk) 18:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220185700","author":"Eram7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eram7-20241220185700-Review","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241220185800-Eram7-20241220185700"]}}-->

No. Have a look at WP:NPOV and WP:BLP, and kindly do not rewrite the article based on tabloid sources again. MrOllie (talk) 18:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220185800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241220185800-Eram7-20241220185700","replies":["c-Eram7-20241220190100-MrOllie-20241220185800"]}}-->

Thanks Dear.

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You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Triptane. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. WP:CITEVAR was not a valid reason to revert the constructive edits, and then to edit-war over it is just not done. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241228003700","author":"The Bushranger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Bushranger-20241228003700-December_2024","replies":[]}}-->

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You reverted an edit I made to the Monge's Theorem page because I used a Youtube video as a source. According to the Wikipedia page on Wikipedia:Video links, there is no general prohibition against using a video as a citation for an article. There are specific concerns if the video in question contains copyrighted music or other such things, or is from a disreputable source. 3Blue1Brown is run by a well-known mathematician, Grant Sanderson, to the point that both the channel itself and the mathematician have their own Wikipedia pages. I don't understand why using a video citation is a problem. Even if it were, wouldn't the correct choice be to put in a request for better citation, rather than completely reverting the edit? Nothing I wrote there is untrue. EzekielRaiden (talk) 05:46, 30 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230054600","author":"EzekielRaiden","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-EzekielRaiden-20241230054600-Video_sources","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, You undid revisions I made to update this page. This included:

-starting with a more general definition of the term that encompasses modern uses of algorithmic management (beyond uber etc.). this is currently buried later in the text, which creates an awkward flow and makes the page less relevant than it could be.

-added more general functions of algorithmic management. again, this is an important update to earlier narrow uses to control workers on platforms. I cited recent published and peer-reviewed work (yes, i am a coauthor on this paper, but it is highly relevant - but feel free to find a better source).

-collected "issues and criticisms" which are currently scattered in different sections. it seems reasonable to have this in one section and avoid repetition.

Please reinstate my edits, which I believe significantly increase the value of the page.

Thank you! Henrysauermann (talk) 19:03, 30 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230190300","author":"Henrysauermann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Henrysauermann-20241230190300-algorithmic_management","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241230190600-Henrysauermann-20241230190300"]}}-->

Your changes did two things 1) Added an inappropriate citation to yourself. You have a message about this on your user talk already - and 2) Took the opening further away from what it should be as defined by MOS:LEAD. I will not reinstate your edits, since I disagree that they 'significantly increase the value of the page' - that is why I reverted them in the first place. MrOllie (talk) 19:06, 30 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230190600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241230190600-Henrysauermann-20241230190300","replies":["c-Henrysauermann-20241230193600-MrOllie-20241230190600"]}}-->

Ok, thanks. I had not seen your post in my talk page. I followed your advice and explained my suggested edit on the article talk page. The current article covers well the early stage of algorithmic management (Uber etc.) but I do not think it does justice to the current state of this field. Thank you! Henrysauermann (talk) 19:36, 30 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241230193600","author":"Henrysauermann","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Henrysauermann-20241230193600-MrOllie-20241230190600","replies":[]}}-->

Not certain why you would knee jerk remove a couple of links that add information to the Fashion Week page, while leaving something called DN mag, which no one has heard of in this space, links to a schedule that is two years old, i.e. ridiculously outdated, and on top of that is simply a scrape of the official FHCM website that I tried to include. I think this is why people dislike Wikipedia, people have a tendency to revert things without knowing anything about the subject 98.173.239.180 (talk) 00:19, 31 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231001900","author":"98.173.239.180","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-98.173.239.180-20241231001900-Fashion_Week_edits","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241231002200-98.173.239.180-20241231001900"]}}-->

See WP:EL. If you think other links are bad, that isn't a reason to add more links that do not agree with Wikipedia's policies. MrOllie (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231002200","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241231002200-98.173.239.180-20241231001900","replies":["c-MrOllie-20241231002300-MrOllie-20241231002200"]}}-->

I've removed DN mag now as well, thanks for pointing that one out. MrOllie (talk) 00:23, 31 December 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241231002300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MrOllie-20241231002300-MrOllie-20241231002200","replies":[]}}-->

this user seems to like to support the 'no no reverter' Vincent Lefèvre in 'edit wars', evtl. this is the purpose of this account, could some official pls. warn him to act less aggressive? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.4.225.16 (talk • contribs)

You should consider using talk pages and following Wikipedia's core policies such as WP:V and WP:OR, you would get reverted far less often then. - MrOllie (talk) 13:16, 2 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102131600","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250102131600-edit_wars","replies":[]}}-->

Aaaaa4 103.122.253.26 (talk) 16:53, 2 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102165300","author":"103.122.253.26","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-103.122.253.26-20250102165300-edit_wars","replies":[]}}-->

This user seems to believe he is the policeman of the Internet. Likes to cite "Wikipedia's rules", ignoring that there is interpretation involved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgonc (talk • contribs) 20:31, 2 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102203100","author":"Bgonc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bgonc-20250102203100-edit_wars","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250102203300-Bgonc-20250102203100"]}}-->

This is a page to communicate with me directly, not to make unfocused personal attacks. See WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. - MrOllie (talk) 20:33, 2 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250102203300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250102203300-Bgonc-20250102203100","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, You undid contribution I made in the article "Linear Canonical Transformation" while these contributions were there for months and are based on the contents of peer reviewed high quality scientific journals as sources. Could you explain what is wrong with the contents (so that it can be corrected properly if necessary)? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rshon13 (talk • contribs)

For the reasons we discussed at length on your own user talk page. You know this. - MrOllie (talk) 12:10, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103121000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103121000-Linear_Canonical_Transformation","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103124200-MrOllie-20250103121000"]}}-->

The informations contained there, which are scientific fact and knowledege, are from peer reviewed paper. I just report these scientific content which are directly related to the wikipedia article. Where is the problem ? Have I reported something that are falses or wrong ? Rshon13 (talk) 12:42, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103124200","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103124200-MrOllie-20250103121000","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103125600-Rshon13-20250103124200"]}}-->

One my talk page I ask you to quote the text where you see a problem and explain clearly where in the text is the problem and you never did this Rshon13 (talk) 12:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103125600","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103125600-Rshon13-20250103124200","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250103144500-Rshon13-20250103125600"]}}-->

You have asked the same question several times on your talk page, which I had already answered. When I told you there that I wasn't going to repeat myself that was not an invitation for you to come and repeat your question several times here as well, nor was it an invitation for you to continue adding COI self mentions to the articles in question. MrOllie (talk) 14:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103144500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103144500-Rshon13-20250103125600","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103171200-MrOllie-20250103144500"]}}-->

My question is clear here , do you find anything wrong in my contribution in "Linear Canonical Transformation"? that is based on peer reviewed sources. There nothing related to COI here. Is there scientific error in the text or anything else like that ? Rshon13 (talk) 17:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103171200","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103171200-MrOllie-20250103144500","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250103171700-Rshon13-20250103171200"]}}-->

Yes, the issue I explained on your user talk page. There absolutely is a COI issue. I will not respond to this question again. MrOllie (talk) 17:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103171700","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103171700-Rshon13-20250103171200","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103173500-MrOllie-20250103171700","c-Rshon13-20250103175200-MrOllie-20250103171700"]}}-->

Have you at least understand the contents of the text you removed before removing them ? Rshon13 (talk) 17:35, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103173500","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103173500-MrOllie-20250103171700","replies":[]}}-->

And you are mixing everything. The previous talk is about another article (which is now a draft under review). Here I am talking clearly about the contribution that you removed on "Linear Canonical Transformation" that were there months before . Rshon13 (talk) 17:52, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103175200","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103175200-MrOllie-20250103171700","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250103175500-Rshon13-20250103175200"]}}-->

The same issues have been present in all your edits. That these issues went unnoticed for a while (even a few months) does not somehow mean they can never be fixed. MrOllie (talk) 17:55, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103175500","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103175500-Rshon13-20250103175200","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103180600-MrOllie-20250103175500"]}}-->

I have made other edits with other references. Is there scientific errors in the text you removed ? And as I said they were based on "peer reviewed high quality scientific paper": Do you understand the meaning of this ? Rshon13 (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103180600","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103180600-MrOllie-20250103175500","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250103180800-Rshon13-20250103180600"]}}-->

Kindly do not post on my talk page again, I am not interested in seeing the same stuff over and over. MrOllie (talk) 18:08, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103180800","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103180800-Rshon13-20250103180600","replies":["c-Rshon13-20250103181200-MrOllie-20250103180800"]}}-->

So Please , next time try to understand the true contents of contributions before removing them. As other people also suggest before, You can also at least comment in the article discussion page before removing if you find something wrong after "serious review of the contents." . Thank you for your understanding Rshon13 (talk) 18:12, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103181200","author":"Rshon13","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Rshon13-20250103181200-MrOllie-20250103180800","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Mr. Ollie, I will report you for vandalism if you continue to remove posts on the Turing Test page that cite the work of Gonçalves. This is substantial peer-reviewed academic work that has appeared in top history, philosophy, and science journals, including Nature, and yet you call it citation spam. You do not seem to care about the content and the subject matter. Apparently you are not here to learn or to help others learn, but to control Wikipedia pages, your rented 1m2 of power. Bgonc (talk) 12:29, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103122900","author":"Bgonc","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bgonc-20250103122900-Aggressive,_unilateral,_territorial_behavior","replies":["c-Bgonc-20250103124500-Bgonc-20250103122900"]}}-->

It is even worse, as I've just seen. Now you removed other, years-old citations of the work of Gonçalves. If you remove it again, you will be reported. Bgonc (talk) 12:45, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103124500","author":"Bgonc","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bgonc-20250103124500-Bgonc-20250103122900","replies":["c-BusterD-20250103125600-Bgonc-20250103124500","c-MrOllie-20250103145000-Bgonc-20250103124500"]}}-->

I'm watching the situation and neither of you is covered in glory this morning. Work it out in the talk thread I just created. BusterD (talk) 12:56, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103125600","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BusterD-20250103125600-Bgonc-20250103124500","replies":["c-Doug_Weller-20250103162400-BusterD-20250103125600"]}}-->

@BusterD you do realise that the account is adding their own works, am I correct? Doug Weller talk 16:24, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103162400","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20250103162400-BusterD-20250103125600","replies":["c-BusterD-20250103194800-Doug_Weller-20250103162400"]}}-->

I was not aware of that until the discussion on page talk commenced. BusterD (talk) 19:48, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103194800","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-BusterD-20250103194800-Doug_Weller-20250103162400","replies":[]}}-->

My edits are plainly not vandalism. Also, please don't refer to yourself in the third person, it is quite misleading. MrOllie (talk) 14:50, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103145000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103145000-Bgonc-20250103124500","replies":["c-BusterD-20250103194900-MrOllie-20250103145000"]}}-->

I agree with that assessment but in the moment I was reacting to the back and forth. BusterD (talk) 19:49, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103194900","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BusterD-20250103194900-MrOllie-20250103145000","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250103195300-BusterD-20250103194900"]}}-->

I can definitely understand that. I'll move to the article talk page faster next time, rather than getting drawn into back and forth on user talk. MrOllie (talk) 19:53, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103195300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250103195300-BusterD-20250103194900","replies":["c-BusterD-20250103202600-MrOllie-20250103195300"]}}-->

I value your edits and have reason to expect reasonable behavior when I see your date stamp. Thank you. Don't be shy to point out when I'm not seeing a situation clearly. I'd much rather have someone I know in my face than fail to comprehend their need for assistance. BusterD (talk) 20:26, 3 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250103202600","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BusterD-20250103202600-MrOllie-20250103195300","replies":[]}}-->

Mindfullness is one part of the eightfold noble path taught by the Buddha. It is not derived from Chan, Guan or tibetan buddhist teachings as the original article claimed. In fact Chan, Guan and tibetan buddhism originate from the teachings of the Buddha in Pali.

You appear to have no knowledge or interest in Buddhism. Why are you removing edits on subjects you have no clue about? Keep- this up and you'll be reported.

https://tricycle.org/article/satipatthana-sutta-mindfulness/ Rottcod (talk) 18:23, 6 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106182300","author":"Rottcod","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rottcod-20250106182300-Mindfulness_is_based_on_the_teachings_of_the_Buddha._Why_are_you_promoting_misin","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250106184300-Rottcod-20250106182300"]}}-->

On Wikipedia we follow what the cited sources say, which in this case are books from major academic publishers. Do not change the article in ways they do not reflect the cited source. Self published blog posts such as you posted here do not undermine those sources. Kindly take this up on the article's associated talk page - not on user talk pages, and not in edit summaries while edit warring. MrOllie (talk) 18:43, 6 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250106184300","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250106184300-Rottcod-20250106182300","replies":[]}}-->

Just FYI... I'm not sure how often you check your WikiQuote page but Jinnifer is using an anonymous address to harass you in to making changes for them on Wikipedia via your talk page. This was after multiple failed attempts to get me to do it for them. NJZombie (talk) 03:08, 7 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107030800","author":"NJZombie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NJZombie-20250107030800-Jinnifer_on_WikiQuote","replies":["c-MrOllie-20250107031000-NJZombie-20250107030800"]}}-->

Yeah, they like to waste their time in that way. MrOllie (talk) 03:10, 7 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107031000","author":"MrOllie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-MrOllie-20250107031000-NJZombie-20250107030800","replies":[]}}-->

w:en:Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/KlayCax Doug Weller talk 12:30, 7 January 2025 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250107123000","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20250107123000-RosaSubmarine","replies":[]}}-->