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The Wikidata development team is seeking to evaluate and improve the process of collecting and reacting to bug reports and feature requests. You can give feedback about your experience using this anonymous form until September 30th or add feedback publically to Wikidata talk:Contact the development team/Process review 2020.
WikiMap, a tool by User:DB111 that maps geocoded images from Commons and Wikipedia articles, now supports Wikidata items as well (Q99232292)
Wikidata QID's are approaching 9 digits. Now is the time to fix any code or schemas that assume that Q numbers are smaller than 9 characters.
Fixing an error that sometimes causes Wikidata UI to report 2 error messages when saving a sitelink in an Item instead of just one. (phabricator:T260869)
Development of version one of Federated Properties has concluded! Expect an announcement with timing of the release of this feature soon. Wikibase users who want an early look at the feature are invited to reach out to participate in the pre-release testing round.
Development of the WikibaseManifest extension has continued into its second sprint; we focused on determining a product specification for the Manifest output.
Finishing a draft documentation for a REST API to get it ready for a feedback round before implementation.
Finished improvements to the automated scoring of the quality of Items with ORES. Still need to retrain ORES and deploy the changes before the scores are actually different though.
Hi, I saw your edit to Vernon, Nevada, where you removed the Commons category template that linked to Tunnel Camp, Nevada. I'm the editor that redirected Tunnel Camp, Nevada to Vernon because Tunnel Camp was not particularly notable. Tunnel Camp and Vernon are located quite close to each other. It would be great if the Vernon page had a link to the Tunnel Camp Commons images. What are your thoughts? 21:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Cxbrx: I've looked again at this. Personally I think it would have been better to keep two separate articles here, given that they seem to be distinct settlements. However, there are also other images from the area that are available on Commons, so I've started commons:Category:Vernon, Nevada and linked to that from the article, with the Tunnel Camp category as a subcategory. Probably more images can also be added to the new category, see [1] (the blue dots are photos). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Evrik: Perhaps you could start a draft proposal? Or I'm happy to chat about this by Zoom/Skype etc. at some point if that would help. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
This disappeared off my watchlist ... in any case, please remind me under what authority are you removing all these templates? --evrik(talk)00:15, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
As we established, policy, such as it is, merely states the link has to be useful. It doesn't have to use the exact same words, making some of your removals just plain wrong. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
This isn't Bold, it's Rash. Also Brown's Town, Jamaica was removed from Hamilton Brown. He founded the town. How is it not related to him? Philafrenzy (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Upcoming: live SPARQL queries on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, September 21 at 18:00 CEST
Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: A starting point for newer institutions to think through what is involved in coordinating a Wikidata project, including shared infrastructure, training, and documentation, 22 September. Agenda
Upcoming video: Wikipedia Weekly Network - LIVE Wikidata editing #21 WikiDojo: Facebook, YouTube, September 25
Wikidata Query Service (in French) - (Parts 1, 2 & 3)
Tool of the week
copy-qid is a user script by Abbe98 that allows you to copy the Qid with one click.
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The Wikidata development team is seeking to evaluate and improve the process of collecting and reacting to bug reports and feature requests. You can give feedback about your experience using this anonymous form until September 30th or add feedback publically to Wikidata talk:Contact the development team/Process review 2020.
WDQS/WCQS Status update (September 2): "We are planning to spend more time doing some analytics on our data. (1) What are the most expensive queries, what are they trying to achieve and is that reasonable? (2) Do we have performant subgraphs that we could expose independently?"
The language codes lij-mc, ja-Hira, ja-Kana, ja-Hrkt, ja-Hani, ojp, ojp-Hira and ojp-Hani" have been added for use in monolingual text property values (phab:T254968, phab:T195816)
The language codes de-1901, eo-hsistemo and eo-xsistemo, ja-hira, ja-kana and ja-hrkt have been added for Lexemes (phab:T262330,phab:T257422, phab:T250559)
P1438 has been converted from string to external ID datatype (phab:T262198)
Worked on fixing an input issue with invisible characters (phab:T261071)
Investigating what work would be needed to get the new termbox that's available on mobile to also work on desktop
Fixing several issues with Special:Undelete (phab:T261747)
Fixing an error message being shown twice (phab:T260869)
Starting the coding work on the Query Builder
Continuing to write a draft for a REST API specification
Finishing the remaining work needed to get the improved quality scoring for Items deployed to ORES
Continuing work on WikibaseManifest: Determined the essential metadata that will be included in the WikibaseManifest file, added some new features (mostly MediaWiki metadata) to the Manifest that were requested by the OpenRefine team (phab:T262805 and phab:T262804) and set up a test system that will soon be ready for tool builders to use for testing the integration of their tools with WikibaseManifest
The International Federation of Library Associations and Institutions [IFLA] have published a series of six videos "discussions with professionals in order to discuss projects, issues, progress of Wikidata, Wikibase and bibliographic data in the field of libraries." Currently available as a playlist on YouTube under CC-By (Wikimedia Commons upload soon), with subtitles in English, Spanish, Portuguese, and French (Arabic and Chinese coming soon). The production was made by the IFLA Wikidata Working Group and funded by a WikiCite grant.
The Wikidata development team is seeking to evaluate and improve the process of collecting and reacting to bug reports and feature requests. You can give feedback about your experience using this anonymous formuntil September 30th or add feedback publically to Wikidata talk:Contact the development team/Process review 2020.
Como is a new Android app, that uses Wikidata lexemes and senses to create a word-guessing game. It let's players create new senses and tests them on other players to finally save them in Wikidata. The app is developed as part of a BA thesis, to determine if this concept is useful to create more lexicographical data, and testers would be very welcome.
A long-standing bug has been fixed (T217144) where Items and Lexemes created via OAuth would not be added to the user’s watchlist even if the user had the Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist setting enabled. (The Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist setting was probably likewise ineffective, but this was not tested specifically.) Affected tools include QuickStatements, Mix'n'Match, and Wikidata Lexeme Forms; users of these and other tools may see more pages being added to their watchlists now. (This only applies to new edits and page creations; previously created or edited pages will not be automatically added to the watchlist retroactively.)
Working on the basic building blocks of the Query Builder towards making it possible to create the first very simple query with it
Talking to people about comparing Wikidata's data against other databases and flagging mismatches
Fixing an issue with Item creations via the API by blocked users leading to skipped entity IDs (phab:T232620)
Fixed an input issue with invisible characters (phab:T261071)
Finishing the draft of the REST API spec to get it ready for feedback
WikibaseManifest: created a separate key for local entities and decided what we do about non-local entity sources based on tool-builder feedback (phab:T263527) and specifying the API in OpenApi format (phab:T262919)
Per our discussion at the Village Pump, I've added the tracking category logic from Template:Commons category to Module:Commons link, and turned it on for Template:Commons. I decided to make a parallel tracking category structure: you can watch the tracking categories gradually fill in here.
Now that I've implemented the tracking categories, it is possible to simplify Template:Commons category. It would look very similar to the current implementation of Template:Commons, but would call getCategory() instead of getGalleryOrCategory(). This would make a uniform implementation for every Commons-related template. I'm curious what you think of this idea? — hike395 (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
@Hike395: Thanks for doing that. I need to reply to you more generally about the links, but I'm currently trying some of my semi-automated code through the new tracking categories. One oddity I've found is Category:Nauvoo Temple - I've added the Commons category link, but it's still linking to the gallery. Maybe it's just a caching issue though, but the tracking category updated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, I think you found a bug in my tracking logic :-(. The template on Category:Nauvoo Temple is {{Commons|Nauvoo Temple}}, so it's hardwired to looked for Commons:Nauvoo Temple. So it won't update to use the commonscat. {{Commons}} with no argument will do that. However, it is being placed into Category:Commons link is on Wikidata incorrectly, because the gallery shouldn't match the category in this case. I have to recheck the logic.
Could you pause any semi-automated edits based on my categories while I debug this? Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for letting me know! — hike395 (talk) 02:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
OK. Just to let you know that the edits I'm making are adding commons category links on Wikidata, and creating categories for 'phantom' categories on Commons (where the categories already have media but don't actually exist). These shouldn't be affected if the tracking categories are a bit off, they just use the template as a pointer to cases to look at. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The bug is now fixed: the code now does not match the first positional argument to the found wikidata commons item if they are in different namespaces.
I'm really glad that you (and PiBot) maintain Wikidata links: I suspect they would quickly spiral into bad quality without your vigilance and work. — hike395 (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Why?
Hi. I have no clue about Wiki's inner workings, but apply logic whenever needed, and it usually works. Now, why is
commonscat|Pioneers of photography
not suitable for
Category:Early photographers in Palestine
? There are photos from Jerusalem starting from 1844, 22 years after the first photo ever taken. Thank you for explaining it to me, Arminden (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The Grand Tour including Jerusalem & the Holy Land were among the first topics for the pioneers of daguerreotypy. Daguerre invented his process of photography, the first practical one developed, in 1839. The very same year, photographers using his technology came to Jerusalem, but it seems that what's left of their work are etchings made based on their daguerreotypes. Joseph de Pranguy learned it (possibly directly from Daguerre) and left for his own Grand Tour already in 1841, bringing back the by far largest corpus of images still preserved today. Jerusalem was one of his topics. His 1844 images are all preserved. Then from 1900 on came the photographic service of the American Colony, many of their images preserved at the US Library of Congress, and there are photos from the pre-WWI years and the war collected and preserved at national libraries & collections in Turkey, Germany, the UK and Australia. And so on, w/o intermission, with several big names of the earliest and the following waves of photographers, including Magnum members etc. So yes, if you removed it for reasons other than strictly Wiki-technical ones, please undo it, or let me do it. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 16:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I was writing, and you were doing :) I think I misunderstood you, I mixed up Wikipedia with Wikicommons. Is that what you've been doing from the beginning, dealing with Commons categories, while I was babbling on about Wikipedia? Ouch :) Arminden (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, but you've been so efficient yesterday and I guess it would take you less than a minute.
There's a county name in the West Bank, Har Hevron Regional Council. "Har Hevron" is Hebrew (good for admin. unit), Mount Hebron is English (good for geogr. description). People sometimes mix them and you get "Har Hebron" - that's inadmissable Henglish. I've changed all I could to the correct version (Har Hevron Regional Council for the admin. unit, Mount Hebron for geography) in several articles, but my stumbling block are again the "categories": see the Har Hevron Regional Council - at the bottom it had the wrong version twice: "Har Hevron Regional Council" between double braces/curly brackets, and "Category:Har Hevron Regional Council| " between double straight brackets. I went ahead and just changed the names inside the brackets. I don't know if the second one went well, at least it didn't "protest", but the first one, "Har Hevron Regional Council" between curly brackets, now shows up everywhere in red, as a template mistake. See them both here below:
Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Professor Toby Hudson on Entity Explosion, a browser extension which allows you to get information about entities on the web page you’re visiting, 06 October. Agenda
Video: How to create and edit items on Wikidata (in Spanish) - YouTube
Video: Introduction to Wikidata and wikiprojects of interest to librarians (in Spanish) - YouTube
Tool of the week
IllWill.js is a userscript that searches Wikidata for foreign-language sitelinks, to populate Template:ill and replace plain red links on other Wikimedia projects.
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omeka-s-wikidata is a new module for the open source GLAM collection management software Omeka, that allows cataloguers to use Wikidata as a vocabulary for persons, places, subjects, etc.
Maps of arts and humanities research grants funded by Arts and Humanities Research Council in UK between 2013-2019. Sorted by year, Sorted by budget (Source)
From looking over your work, you don't understand the difference between Unalaska and Dutch Harbor and/or don't care, because you left a lot of work for someone else to straighten out. Commons is its own website with its own conventions. It's tiring to watch people from Wikidata and/or Wikipedia come along and force their conventions on Commons in the name of some false notion of "consistency". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 14:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
@RadioKAOS: I'm happy to try to improve things if you can be more specific in your feedback. I'm equally active here, on Wikidata, and on Commons. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Wikidata weekly summary #437
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Working on enabling JSON dumps for Lexemes (phab:T220883)
Finishing preventing blocked users from making us skip QIDs (phab:T232620)
Continuing work on the Wikibase Manifest extension that allows toolbuilders to easily access configurations of a specific Wikibase instance so it is easier for them to make their tools work with not just Wikidata but also other Wikibase instances
Started analyzing what we consider a mismatch for our work around checking Wikidata's data against other databases
Continued work on the Query Builder to get it to create the first very simple query. It can do that now but not yet visualize the result.
France report: AAF training course; Workshops in Strasbourg; European Heritage Days: Rennes; Wiki Loves Monuments
Germany report: Ahoy! Wikipedians set sail to document the reality of modern seafaring
Indonesia report: New GLAM partnerships on data donation; Commons structured data edit-a-thon
Norway report: Students taking on GLAM Wiki women in red
Sweden report: Musikverket: more folk music and photos; Hack for Heritage 2020; Wiki Loves Monuments; Wikipedia in the libraries; Digital Book Fair on Wikipedia
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