The Guardian article just states "two trials." I haven't finished writing this in yet, but another source gives the specifics: the first case was R. v Francine Cordle (for the attempted murder of Tina Garton) and the second was R. v Robert Gent & Eric Marasco (for attempting to procure the services of a 13 year old girl for prostitution.) Keristrasza (talk) 18:29, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-01T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Keristrasza","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keristrasza-2012-01-01T18:29:00.000Z-Lynette_White","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-01T18:35:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-01T18:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks. I had guessed they were probably some kind of prostitution/pimping charges. That information may be worth including if not too bulky. I will leave well alone until you are done. You are making some great improvements here. I don't think most people realise that the first murder trial was the longest in UK history. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:35, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-01T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-01T18:35:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-01T18:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The articles on the Severn Bridge and Second Severn Crossing could benefit from a section or two on the funding arrangements for the crossings, also perhaps covering the perceived impacts of the tolls on the local economy. I'm surprised that there doesn't seem to be a section in either of the articles on the existing arrangements, and the timing of any changes. Do you think there should be a section in one or other of the articles, or a new article - or should it be (or is it, and I missed it) covered elsewhere? I read this reference, thinking to include it somewhere, and thought you might have an opinion.. ??! Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:22, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-03T11:22:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T11:22:00.000Z-Severn_road_crossings_-_finances","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T12:26:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T11:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Gh, very good to hear from you. I fully agree that there should be a section, probably in each of those articles. I seem to remember reading (or being told) years ago that the cost of the first bridge was never going to be repaid by means of tolls and so was "written off" in some way. But that may just be an old wives' tale. If the information you suggest does already exist somewhere then I too have certainly not seen it. But many thanks for asking. I must admit that I have spent little time doing "serious editing" for a while, but have spent most of my time idly gossiping over on Malleus Fatuorum's page (where all sorts of people have recently popped up!) It's quite a shock to get "indef-ed", even if one is a wiki-minnow like me. But then, as you are well aware, most of my editing is pretty frivolous at the best of times, haha. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-03T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T12:26:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T11:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T17:20:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T12:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, thanks. Maybe someone will get round to it, one day. So, is it yourself quoted there? Re Malleus, I think I'm luke warm at the moment. On the one hand... but on the other... Ghmyrtle (talk) 17:20, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-03T17:20:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T17:20:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T12:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T18:03:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T17:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, indeed, only myself quoted, only myself to blame! I'm not carrying a flag for Malleus. But the whole episode raises some deeper questions, I think. I'll email you (only once, I promise) about "other matters" - but don't worry it's hardly very serious! Keep up the good work on Brynbuga. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-03T18:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-03T18:03:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-03T17:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

All entries need a source, otherwise people could add all sorts of unsupported nonsense - and there's a lot of it out there -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:44, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-04T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Boing! said Zebedee","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:44:00.000Z-List_of_unusual_deaths","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:45:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

The source article seems to have lots!? Sorry, I just can't type that fast!!Martinevans123 (talk) 22:45, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-04T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:45:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:48:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Looks fine now - sorry if I was too quick ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:48, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-04T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Boing! said Zebedee","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:48:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:54:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

No probs. But open to other opinions - although legit, is it notable enough (dangerous sports, etc.. )? I think perhaps the fact he's got his own article qualifies it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:54, 4 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-04T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-04T22:54:00.000Z-Boing!_said_Zebedee-2012-01-04T22:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin,

May I wish you a belated "Happy New Year"? Thank you for the splendid greeting posted on my talk page over Christmas, and thank you for your comments regarding my page. Much appreciated. I have had a sabbatical from my computer and, therefore, Wikipedia, since the Thursday before Christmas, so now I have plenty to catch up with.

All the best,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:55, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-10T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-10T18:55:00.000Z-Belated_\"Happy_New_Year\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-10T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks. Good to see you back. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-10T18:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T11:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z","c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T12:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

As you have noticed, I have got stuck into a tussle with another cursed anon. I applaud your valued input. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:26, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T11:26:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T11:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Love your Wiki-term "Lurker".

Go to this talk page and you will see that I have made good use of it. The wretched anon is on the way to becoming serial.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T12:02:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T12:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-10T19:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T12:09:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T12:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries. I am in no position to contribute to the actual subject debate. But it seems to be a bit "misguided" for an ip editor, whoever they really are, to be lecturing a registered editor about any part of WP rules and regulations. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T12:09:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T12:09:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T12:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T17:38:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T12:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Couldn't agree more. By the way, Lurker has continued his action of deleting my edit today. Do you recommend that I exercise patience, and leave the re-instating to others (as indeed Charlr6 did last night) or should I follow my gut feeling and do what I believe in?

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:38, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T17:38:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T12:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T20:53:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T17:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I'd certainly exercise patience, and try and leave the re-instating to others. Naturally, if all you want to do is get your version in the article at all costs, you can just take it in turns, with one or more other editors, to revert an ip's input. But this is really just edit waring. It's best to use the Talk Page discussion to try and build a consensus and if that doesn't get anywhere, you could seek advice from a friendly admin. I think in most discussions more weight is usually afforded to editors who have names and not just ip addresses! It's sometimes obvious (and frustrating) that more energy is expended by editors over arguing than is spent on adding new, uncontentious, material to many other articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T20:53:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T20:53:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T17:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T22:51:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T20:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for that. I agree. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-12T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-12T22:51:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-12T20:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Post Script: All satisfactorily resolved. All involved editors have reached agreement, and my original edit remains in situ.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-14T12:31:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-14T12:31:00.000Z-Belated_\"Happy_New_Year\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T12:44:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-14T12:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks for letting me know. That's a very good result! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-14T12:44:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T12:44:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-14T12:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-15T00:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T12:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

So you are still up, like me. I have just added this to my talk page. (Thought you might like it):

This user thinks that registration should be required to edit articles.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T00:44:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-15T00:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T12:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T00:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-15T00:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha yes thank you. If I ever use user boxes (again), I might well use this one. But I am a great equivocator on registration. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:47, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T00:47:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T00:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-15T00:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-16T11:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T00:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

I know you are, and more importantly, you have a good sense of humour. When I have a little idle time, I shall recount a sad story about a good Wikipedia editor, a man I had learned to respect, but who failed to ever "lighten-up".

Anyway, as one Welshman to another, I thought this might tempt you back:

This user is not a dragon but will probably be one in his next life

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:44, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-16T11:44:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-16T11:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T00:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-16T14:50:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-16T11:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, always tempted. In fact, in view of my exchange with RolePlayer (below) it seems quite appropriate. Yes, many editors seem to see a sense of humour as un-enclyclopedic! But I find it pretty essential. I'll probably add one of the Welsh user boxes before too long. Especially if I can find one with a smirking dragon, instead of a smoking one... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:50, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-16T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-16T14:50:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-16T11:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Martin, I spotted this discussion early this morning,picking up on Garik's appeals for help, and have been following the ensuing discussion since with interest and trying to work out how to contribute in an original sense. How about you? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:48, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T18:48:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T18:48:00.000Z-Belated_\"Happy_New_Year\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T18:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I saw some discussion there last year. I know Ghmyrtle has made some input, and he is usually the voice of reason. But I took it off my Watchlist as I felt I had nothing to contribute. I have left a note at User talk:Charlr6 as I thought he might be interested. I am surprised that Varlaam is causing any problem, he has always been very amicable. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T18:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T23:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z","c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Didn't know of this Varlaam before this morning. Is he Welsh? But surely our young friend is English, isn't he? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T23:01:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T23:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T23:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Welsh is one of the few languages with which Varlaam does not seem to be acquainted. Our friend in Redditch, meanwhile, seems to share only a Christian name with our own Archbishop - but he seems to be a bit of a film fiend. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-21T23:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-22T12:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T16:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T17:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Varlaam certainly enjoys his disrupting of the Hedd Wyn (film) article: why return to it after one year? ... and why not enter the discussion? ... his only input there was in the edit summary. He would appear to be a serious editor.

Now, (regarding our friend Rowan) I posted the same two userboxes, plus another, on his talk page. He used the first two without delay, but as for the smoking dragon (it's still on his talk page) and no reaction. Cannot be Welsh. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-22T12:00:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-22T12:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey! What have you done to my two userboxes (above)..? The contents of which, having crept out of their cells, have streched out right across the page. Vandal. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T16:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Haha, sorry no idea! I never touched 'em, m'lud! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T17:00:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T17:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T23:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Maybe the original templates have been altered? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 17:19, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T17:46:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z","c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T18:08:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, they still are locked up in my gaol. (That does look strange in print..."gaol") Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:46, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T17:46:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well done, that man (PCW) Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:08, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T18:08:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T18:08:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T17:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T18:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T18:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks, PCW. I might even use them one day! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T18:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-01-26T18:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I agree the photgraph does seem to make the tower lean, but I don't have the Photoshop or Wikipedia expertise to correct this. So, short of taking a new photo, which I may do when I'm down there in a week or two, I can't help. As to getting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Peter_I._Vardy to have a look at the article, still a very good idea. He's hugely improved some Manchester/William Burges stuff I've done in the past. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 00:13, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-13T00:13:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-01-13T00:13:00.000Z-St_Mary's_Priory_Church,_Monmouth","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-13T00:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, that's probably the best idea. There aren't many images of the church in geograph, and none that seem much better than this ine for now. I will ask Peter when I get a moment. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-13T13:25:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T13:25:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-13T00:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-01-14T01:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T13:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've tried another image from WikiCommons. Less wonky but any better really? KJP1 (talk) 01:04, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-14T01:04:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-01-14T01:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T13:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T09:23:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-14T01:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for letting me know. I personally think that that one is a lot better. It certainly compliments the one used for Monmouth Methodist Church. What we really need are some views from the other side of the church (where it's not partly obscured, I think) and some detail images, perhaps in a gallery. But I'm sure we can improve as people take more. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-14T09:23:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T09:23:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-14T01:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-01-26T21:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T09:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Took the one I've used in the box, and one from the churchyard when down this weekend. I think it's better? But, to my fury, the church itself was locked so couldn't get any interior shots. I've never known the church locked in thirty or more years. KJP1 (talk) 21:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T21:57:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-01-26T21:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-14T09:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T22:05:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-26T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Both excellent images that work really well here. You should be justifiably proud. But locked out? arh, the price of wiki fame! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T22:05:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-26T21:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks so much for all your hard work on articles relating to Monmouth, please add your name to the contributors list at Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA

best wishes

--Mrjohncummings (talk) 22:58, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-13T22:58:00.000Z","author":"Mrjohncummings","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mrjohncummings-2012-01-13T22:58:00.000Z-Monmouthpedia","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T23:14:00.000Z-Mrjohncummings-2012-01-13T22:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's very thoughtful. But I have to admit that none of the work I ever do here is hard. That way it remains a pleasure. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-13T23:14:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-13T23:14:00.000Z-Mrjohncummings-2012-01-13T22:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		The number of times I had edited that article, and I thought I had good attention to detail! roleplayer 16:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T16:50:00.000Z","author":"Roleplayer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T16:50:00.000Z-High_Wycombe_high_Street","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T17:02:00.000Z-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T16:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"role"}}-->

My word, with all these trophies, I'll need to get a cupboard, haha. But thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:02, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T17:02:00.000Z-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T16:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T19:09:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T17:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

You should get one of these! -- role^player 19:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T19:09:00.000Z","author":"Roleplayer","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T19:09:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T17:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T19:13:00.000Z-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T19:09:00.000Z"],"displayName":"role"}}-->

No really, I'd prefer a cupboard, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:13, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T19:13:00.000Z-Roleplayer-2012-01-15T19:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Arrow slits or loop-holes (archeres): An arrowslit is a thin vertical aperture in a fortification through which an archer can launch arrows. It is alternatively referred to as an arrow loop, loop hole, or archere, and sometimes a balistraria. Arrow slits come in a remarkable variety. A common form is the cross. KJP1 (talk) 18:44, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T18:44:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-01-15T18:44:00.000Z-Cross_loops","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T18:55:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-15T18:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am much obliged. I did a quick search here, without success, but you have saved me a bit of Googling. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-15T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-15T18:55:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-01-15T18:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks - but not to me; the article just needed a little nurturing. The country house template looks good but, as I've said, I'm so feeble on the technical side that I'll leave someone else to try it. Troy's a sad house - not good enough to be a significant attraction, too good, and big, probably ever to be viable as a private home again. On the upside - a lot of the MonmouthpediA articles are taking shape really well. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 21:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-16T21:03:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-01-16T21:03:00.000Z-Troy_House","replies":[]}}-->

Still a ton to do, but I just haven't had the time to do it =( Images might be tricky. There is certainly a very good fair use case for an image of White (particularly as she is deceased so no new images will be released and the existing images were released for media distribution by the police.) Might be use for a map; the various defendants don't appear to have anything freely available; may be worth asking Cardiff project (if there is one, maybe South Wales) if anyone is able to snap an image of the building. Keristrasza (talk) 10:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-19T10:15:00.000Z","author":"Keristrasza","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Keristrasza-2012-01-19T10:15:00.000Z-Lynette_White_2","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T19:52:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-19T10:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, do they have a noticeboard? I see that the main image used by most of the press is attributed to the Press Association. Does that mean they have copyright? I have no experience in this area. I see that this article by Duncan Higgit [1] which is quite good (and very recent) uses it and also has one of Gafoor. Thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-19T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T19:52:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-19T10:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keristrasza-2012-01-21T13:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T19:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

One of the chaps at the Cardiff project has listed himself as being a possible source for Cardiff images. I've left him a message asking if he might be able to help us out with relevant photographs of the area. Keristrasza (talk) 13:52, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Keristrasza","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Keristrasza-2012-01-21T13:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T19:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T13:56:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-21T13:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-21T13:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-21T13:56:00.000Z-Keristrasza-2012-01-21T13:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the input Martin! (you talk page stalker you ...)  :) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-19T22:12:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-19T22:12:00.000Z-Gold_Hill_pictures","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T22:17:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-19T22:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

You're welcome, haha. I have a habit of not deleting Talk pages from my watch list after an exchange. If anything interesting later pops up, I take a look. Thundercloud is obviously a very genuine editor and I do hope that we have not discouraged him. A photographer can be very useful! Regards, your Moomin pal. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-19T22:17:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-19T22:17:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-19T22:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin. Apols for not responding to your last posting regarding the Gold Hill pics - I'm a bit busy in the non-wiki world at the mo, plus my monitor is currently making everything look very dark and pink (I think there's something wrong with its production/transmission of green). Hence I couldn't decide on a better pic..... (PS Note that I've now copied the discussion over to the article's talk pages) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:10, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T19:10:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:10:00.000Z-Gold_Hill_pictures","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:15:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries at all. Perhaps I'll go ahead and choose one of those three - my abysmal eyesight is actually slightly better with images than with words (e.g. I just mis-read your text here as "my mother is currently making everything look very dark and pink ..." !? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:15, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:15:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha. Well, it is a long-standing condition of hers - I think there's something wrong with her production/transmission of green...... ;) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:27, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T19:27:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:30:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I didn't like to say anything .. my own mother has temporarily lost her contrast function again. Bless. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:30, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-23T19:30:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-23T19:30:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-23T19:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin. Can you speak Welsh? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:09, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:09:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:09:00.000Z-Welsh","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:12:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Unfortunately, only a very little and not on a regular basis. Why do you ask? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:12:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:12:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I was hoping for a bit of Welsh-speaking authority to comment on a discussion I opened regarding Dwygyfylchi (remember that?). I think I probably made a bit of a fool of myself - not for the first time. I guess that only I would have the cheek to question a language and pronunciation expert on a matter concerning language and pronunciation, but my memory is usually doggedly reliable.... Intrigued? - take a look here. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:22, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:22:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:22:00.000Z-Welsh","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:34:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've read your discussion and you have the stress spot on. There is a little variation in accent between North Wales and the South (where I'm from), but the sound at this link sounds pretty accurate to my Monmouthshire ears! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:34, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:34:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:34:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Unfortunately I've never been able to get my (inherited) pc to produce sound (except for strange clicking and whirring noises...) - that's a bit frustrating! Does that link have someone speaking the name? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:40, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:40:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:40:00.000Z-Welsh","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:44:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Indeed, and although he sounds like a slight Scouser to me, he does have it pretty well. Anyway it supports what you and kwami have said. Perhaps kwami be able to listen to it? Website is here [2] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T20:44:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T20:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, it's probably a good idea pass the link on, though I'm a bit concerned kwami might feel I'm being like a dog that won't let go of a bone... I'm curious for myself to know if the speaker pronounces the last syllable khee or khai - did you notice? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:51, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T21:51:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T21:51:00.000Z-Welsh","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T21:59:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T21:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Very clearly khee, as I would have expected. Rhymes with ci - which is Welsh for dog! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T21:59:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T21:59:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T21:51:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Haha. So much for my memory then - I'd gone around for years thinking it was khai! Anyway, I understand it's considered polite to alert another editor if they're being written about at all, so if you don't have any objections, I'll let kwami know about this little discussion (which has been very helpful - thanks!) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:14, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T22:14:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T22:14:00.000Z-Welsh","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T22:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

By all means. I was just about to. But go ahead. One can download that audio clip - it's only 15 KB. I would email it to you, but I guess you still couldn't hear it. And you have no email link enabled anyway! D'oh. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-25T22:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-2012-01-25T23:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T23:10:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Martin: That clip sounds more like [dʊ̯ɨ] ("dwee") than like the [dʊɨ̯] ("dooy") I expected. Did I get the shape of the diphthong wrong? — kwami (talk) 23:04, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T23:04:00.000Z","author":"Kwamikagami","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kwamikagami-2012-01-25T23:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"kwami"}}-->

Sorry, but as a South Walian Anglophile, I just can't comment on the accuracy of North Walian diphthongs. But, yes most people would say dwee! The four syllables will help to compress! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 25 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-25T23:10:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T23:10:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T22:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kwamikagami-2012-01-26T00:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T23:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

It would be four syllables either way. I'll remove the diphthong mark, though, and change the respelling. — kwami (talk) 00:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T00:04:00.000Z","author":"Kwamikagami","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Kwamikagami-2012-01-26T00:04:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-25T23:10:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"kwami"}}-->

Hi Martin. I've still got kwami's talk page on my watchlist, and noticed your recent request. I suspect that the name vuvuvu is incorrect - it was added on 5th Jan by an editor whose only other contribution has been some nonsense in the sandbox. Previously the Tswana name was different. You may want to check it out. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:09, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T22:09:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T22:09:00.000Z-Vuvuzela","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T22:16:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T22:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cheers, have reverted. Will check sources. I've heard the BBC use both Vuvu'zela and Vu'vuzela. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-26T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-26T22:16:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-01-26T22:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

yeah, I might create a few stubs over the next few days. The BPS website has copies of their obituaries plus links to various ODNB entries. Most I suspect will also be in Who's Who. The sources are there. Barney the barney barney (talk) 23:47, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-27T23:47:00.000Z","author":"Barney the barney barney","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Barney_the_barney_barney-2012-01-27T23:47:00.000Z-BPS_redlinks","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z-Barney_the_barney_barney-2012-01-27T23:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:49, 27 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z-Barney_the_barney_barney-2012-01-27T23:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Barney_the_barney_barney-2012-01-28T08:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-01-28T09:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually Vicki Bruce already has an article. Barney the barney barney (talk) 08:03, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-28T08:03:00.000Z","author":"Barney the barney barney","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Barney_the_barney_barney-2012-01-28T08:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Oh yes, that's great. Let's hope they're all as good as hers! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:23, 28 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-28T09:23:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-28T09:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-01-27T23:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I was intrigued - but can you imagine my disappointment when I turned to the article expecting a new section on that legendary Monty Python character Geoffrey Wallhanging..... ? Ghmyrtle (talk) 18:40, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-30T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-30T18:40:00.000Z-Edit_summary","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-01-30T18:43:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-30T18:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, yes a shame. Never mind. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-01-30T18:43:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-01-30T18:43:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-01-30T18:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I show a posting below that I received last night on my talk page, together with my reply, and the user's response:

Bread of Heaven

I enjoyed your collection of flags at the top of this page.

I know (the English version of) the hymn that includes the line "bread of heaven". In fact, it is right up at the top of my favorites. But please tell me what is the specific connection between Welsh rugby and "bread of heaven".

Thanks, Wanderer57 (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Cwm Rhondda is a very well known Welsh hymn tune. First performed in 1907. Cwm Rhondda translates as "the Rondda Valley" in English, and more often than not, sung to the words: Guide me, O thou great Redeemer. Wales rugby union supporters adopted it years ago, although the reason is not understood, apart from the fact that it is an inspiring song which everyone knew (Sundays in chapel) and could keep repeating, and repeating... I think it splendid.

It was sung at the funerals of both Princess Diana and the Queen Mother, and at the wedding of Prince William and Catherine Middleton.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

It is indeed splendid, both tune and words. The version I learned (in the United Church of Canada) began Guide me, O thou great Jehovah.

The part of the story I did not know was its adoption by the Rugby union. A great anthem, known to everyone in Wales. I guess it is a natural. Wanderer57 (talk) 03:37, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I am wondering if you would be kind enough to add below any knowledge you may have on this topic.

Many thanks for your time.

With kindest regards,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk)

Thank you for your lunchtime posting!

Early post indeed.

Do you like leeks?

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Of course. Especially wikileeks! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-01T19:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-01T19:40:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-02-01T18:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-02-01T22:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-01T19:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, that's very crisp. Thank you for your second posting on this topic "back at the farm". Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:00, 1 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-01T22:00:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-02-01T22:00:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-01T19:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Your wish is my command. KJP1 (talk) 00:15, 8 February 2012 (UTC) And the church. But such a stub. Work to be done.[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-08T00:15:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-02-08T00:15:00.000Z-People_from_Magor","replies":[]}}-->

Many thanks for the Raglan cross. I've never seen it, although I spent my childhood in the village. The Grade I buildings are now nearly done, but the Grade II* listeds is a very daunting task. KJP1 (talk) 11:25, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-12T11:25:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-02-12T11:25:00.000Z-Grade_I_listed_buildings_in_Monmouthshire","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-02-12T11:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-12T11:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's no rush! I'm struggling to keep up as it is.....  ! Ghmyrtle (talk) 11:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-12T11:35:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-02-12T11:35:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-12T11:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T11:39:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-02-12T11:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Quite so, haha. There appear to be no images on-line, but it is in someone's garden, so not so surprising! I have certianly never seen it. I guess it's not a Celtic Cross, then? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-12T11:39:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T11:39:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-02-12T11:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-02-12T19:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T11:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Have sent my father, who still lives in the village, out with his Box Brownie to track this down. The fact that it lies in someone's garden will not deter him! So we shall see. KJP1 (talk) 19:31, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-12T19:31:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-02-12T19:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T11:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T19:36:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-12T19:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, amazing. Let's hope he gets one (in daylight though!) Good stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-12T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T19:36:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-12T19:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T11:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T19:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, it's not the Statue of Liberty! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raglan,_Monmouthshire

Haha, true. But it's hardly insubstantial, either. Most of the Celtic Crosses I have seen are of similar stature. But that's most intruiging - it looks very modern me, especially that angular top (also, from the picture, the base looks flat not octagonal?) I'm amazed if it really is medieval. I wonder why it's there? Is it really now in someone's garden?! Well done for that picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-26T11:59:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T11:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-12T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-02-26T15:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T11:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Indeed, in the back garden of an old couple. They're obviously quite used to visitors as they gave my father a photocopy of an article on the cross written by Fred Hando, no less. When he's scanned it up, I'll link it. I agree, I can't see the "octagonalness" of it. KJP1 (talk) 15:17, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-26T15:17:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-02-26T15:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T11:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T16:24:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-26T15:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, they may be old, but I bet they're not medieval., so there! I am keen to see the Hando article. Great work, KJP1. Octagonality? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-26T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T16:24:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-02-26T15:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-01T18:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Added a little from Bradney and Hando. Not sure how to upload the article to Wikipedia, nor can I reference it properly as I don't think it's come from a book but from an old copy of the South Wales Argus, although there's no date on it beyond the date of 1961 on his sketch, which is clearly the same cross as the photo. Do you want me to type in the text and paste it into your talk page? KJP1 (talk) 18:29, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T18:29:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-01T18:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-26T16:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Many apologies for missing this. I had wondered if you had found it. Looks like it was dated 27-10-61, as shown here. Not sure there is any need to upload it - but you coukd take advice from GhM. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk)

Please see the Kenneth Patchen talk page, for my response to your question. Best.Jpcohen (talk) 18:11, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-16T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Jpcohen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpcohen-2012-02-16T18:11:00.000Z-Patchen_question","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-16T19:16:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-02-16T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, I have replied at both his and your Talk Page. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-16T19:16:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-16T19:16:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-02-16T18:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just following you around, acting as your Wiki-spectacles, haha! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:55, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-18T23:55:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-18T23:55:00.000Z-Rick_Stein","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-18T23:57:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-18T23:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aww, haha, thanks. So much nicer than a white stick and a tray of damp shoe-laces. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:57, 18 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-18T23:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-18T23:57:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-18T23:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

A tray of damp shoe-laces? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-19T00:02:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-19T00:02:00.000Z-Rick_Stein","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-19T00:11:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-19T00:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, he was the scarry Big O look-alike that used to stand, every Saturday, outside the Marks and Spencer in the Newport of my youth. He also sold needles and thread (also usually damp). A direct link with the hawking tradition of the early 20th Century tramp so eloquently described by W. H. Davies. But probably no longer allowed to trade by the European Court of Human Rights. You will have probably guessed by now, also, that the keys U, I and O on my keyboard no longer have any letters marked on them (to name but a few!) Martinevans123 (talk) 00:11, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-19T00:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-19T00:11:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-19T00:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Haha - I was about to correct that link, but you beat me to it, as I had followed a link on hawking and hence become distracted by the article on Stinky tofu - which is perhaps a fitting title when discussing such characters as you describe! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:30, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-19T00:30:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-02-19T00:30:00.000Z-Rick_Stein","replies":[]}}-->

Good job with your additions to the Kenneth Patchen article. For a while it seemed like there weren't many Wiki contributors (other than myself and one or two others) making significant contributions to the article. So my hat's off to you for helping to beef it up.Jpcohen (talk) 18:55, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-19T18:55:00.000Z","author":"Jpcohen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpcohen-2012-02-19T18:55:00.000Z-Patchen_contributions","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-19T19:03:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-02-19T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Jp. It's my pleasure. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-19T19:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-19T19:03:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-02-19T18:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is no need to be rude in your edit summaries. We're both working toward the same honorable goal of writing an encyclopedic article about David Kelly. I'm sure you know it's the responsibility of each editor to verify his or her own edits. Please be civil. Thanks, --Tenebrae (talk) 00:15, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T00:15:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:15:00.000Z-David_Kelly","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-20T00:22:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

That was a question. I have responded on your Talk Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:22, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T00:22:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-20T00:22:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-20T00:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, Martin. Not sure I understand. I removed it since it was uncited, and rather than put a "citation requested" tag, I removed the reference since it seemed to me that having a possibly inaccurate final resting place for a recently deceased person, no matter how small the chance, was not a good idea.

Archiving web pages into Archive.org or Webcitation.org (there might be other not-for-profit archiving sites, but those are the two biggest) helps prevent "link rot." This way, if a Web page ever goes away, its information will not be lost. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:34, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T00:34:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-20T00:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:36:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not to be contentions, but that's not actually true. According to WP:BURDEN, "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." No harm done. All good. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:36, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T00:36:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:36:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Works for me. I had gone with the phrasing of the article, but you're right, if he was taken to a crematorium, it's not original research to say he was cremated. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:51:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z","c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:55:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, Martin. I read The Chronicle article that Jimbo linked to, as per your suggestion. I do understand that writer's frustration — I've gone through similar things. At the same time, I found the article writer a bit whiny: There are ways of phrasing things in an article that acknowledge minority views without giving them undue weight, and there's no intrinsic way of knowing that his book is right and every previous book is wrong. He believes it strongly, of course, but his could be simply a revisionist view that the next scholar will come along and refute.

It's interesting with Kelly because we have one article in which he was interviewed where the author (not Kelly) gives a different birth year than other sources. Since it was a reliable source, since the author spoke with Kelly, and since it was the only place that said this, I mentioned the discrepancy in a footnote in order to acknowledge it for future researchers rather than pretend it didn't exist.

Now, while The Stage is the only source so far that gives Kelly's death date as Feb. 13, there are only a couple of other sources that give Feb. 12. Most sources, including BBC News, one of the world's most respected, just says "has died", demonstrating that they could not ascertain the exact date. (It happens; someone may expire a few minutes before midnight in front of his family, but isn't pronounced dead until a few minutes after; the latter time will be the one on official documents.) Obviously I don't know if that's the case here, but just obviously something unusual occurred since most sources don't give a specific date. At this point, I'm not sure how we can know which date is the correct one.

I'll check on that footnote; it's possible I put a typo in there. Good eye! --Tenebrae (talk) 14:51, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T14:51:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:51:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Footnote 13, linking to the IFTA awards page, works OK for me, both in the original link and the archive link. Maybe it was just a temporary connectivity problem. --Tenebrae (talk) 14:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T14:55:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:55:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T00:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T15:38:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for the kind words! --Tenebrae (talk) 15:38, 20 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-20T15:38:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T15:38:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T14:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Tenebrae-2012-02-22T18:58:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T15:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good point. I went ahead and put in the full name as given at the Mount Jerome article. Should have caught that myself -- good eye! --Tenebrae (talk) 18:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-22T18:58:00.000Z","author":"Tenebrae","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Tenebrae-2012-02-22T18:58:00.000Z-Tenebrae-2012-02-20T15:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Since you asked in your edit summary at the Thomas Gray article, and judging by the number of edits to UK-related pages you've made, you may be interested to know that ODNB online can be be accessed for free by almost all UK public library card holders: [3] NotFromUtrecht (talk) 23:14, 21 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-21T23:14:00.000Z","author":"NotFromUtrecht","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NotFromUtrecht-2012-02-21T23:14:00.000Z-Oxford_DNB","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-22T08:28:00.000Z-NotFromUtrecht-2012-02-21T23:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 22 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-22T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-22T08:28:00.000Z-NotFromUtrecht-2012-02-21T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, starting to push the Charles Rolls challenge. We should have quite a few Monmouth DYKs on the front page tomorrow. Could you sign up here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:GLAM/MonmouthpediA/Charles_Rolls_Challenge/Points if only to wencourage others :-) Oh and thanks for your support! Victuallers (talk) 15:42, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T15:42:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Victuallers-2012-02-29T15:42:00.000Z-Could_you_help_show_how_to_do_it?","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:26:00.000Z-Victuallers-2012-02-29T15:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am very flattered to be even considered for such a challenge. And if I'd actually managed to do any of those things on the points list, I'd even consider adding my name. But my contributions tend to be so diverse, sporadic and minor that it's very unlikely that I'd amass 10 points by the end of the year! But I'll certainly consider trying them all, if I find the time. Thanks for the offer. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:26, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:26:00.000Z-Victuallers-2012-02-29T15:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey,

I've been good. Just been busy doing a lot of Uni work. Currently on Wikipedia I'm trying to convince people that "The Artist" isn't a Silent Film, which it isn't as there are two scenes of diegetic sound (diegetic means 'real' sound, sound characters will hear), one of which is in a nightmare sequence when the character moves and touches objects and we hear the sound of them and the other is the final scene of the film where two characters are talking. These two scenes with 'actual' sound take away the film from being a "Silent film" as a silent film has always in every definition been a film with no audio from the characters world, either from cars moving or people walking and especially no talking. But how have you been?Charlr6 (talk) 20:24, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:24:00.000Z-Hey","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:29:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's a shame - I was looking forward to that guy at the front of the auditorium playing the piano! But it must be wierd - does it not have any music of its own? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T20:29:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:29:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, sadly there isn't a guy with a piano at the front of the auditorium. It does have music of its own but over-the-top of the video of the actual film like a normal soundtrack. All of the 'Silent' parts of the film are in the tradition of silent films except it being a guy with a piano, its just music over the top like a soundtrack. Charlr6 (talk) 20:47, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:47:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, I see. Well it definitely isn't a silent film then! The last silent film I saw was this one by Abel Gance - that was a few years ago! But that had an orchestrated score added to it. Anyway I have been fine, thanks. I see from Gareth's page that you have been film-making. I would dearly love to see what you have done if you upload it to YT - you can email me the link if you like - do you have an account there? Your course sounds quite fascinating. I hope you have not been too plagued by trolls and lurkers lately. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:57, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-02-29T20:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-02-29T21:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T21:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Is there a direct email messaging thing on Wikipedia at all? I could send you the link on there. But I haven't seen many trolls or lurkers recently, if anything its just Wikipedians who don't seem to realise the difference between a 'talkie' and a 'silent film' and the rules of them both. Charlr6 (talk) 21:29, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T21:29:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-02-29T21:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, sure. From here, or my User Page, look for "E-mail this user" in the Toolbox. One can turn this facility on and off as one wishes. Looing forward to your link! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 29 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-02-29T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T21:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-02-29T20:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The Editor's Barnstar
		Thank you for all your great work. I am very glad you didn't leave us last year and decided to keep going, despite everything. Span (talk) 00:37, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T00:37:00.000Z","author":"Spanglej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spanglej-2012-03-01T00:37:00.000Z-Thank_you","replies":[],"displayName":"Span"}}-->

Happy St David's Day, Martin.

I sent you your leeks about a month ago, so you will have to make do with this greeting today!

Kindest regards,

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z-Happy_St_David's_Day","replies":[]}}-->

• I have just seen this [[4]] discussion, and thought that you would want to read it. It is No. 24 in the Table of contents.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:56, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z-Let_Me_In","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T18:39:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Some hymn! ...mmm... I'd prefer something by Fleetwood Mac or The Eagles.

The reason why I sent you the sub-section above was a bit sneaky. I had posted our young (film buff) friend very late last night, just before I sent it to you, but couldn't get the link to finish on Section No. 24. So I thought I would ask you to look at it and put me straight.

Best wishes, Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:39, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T18:39:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T18:39:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T00:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T18:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, I think you meant this (just single brackets, with a space)? I'll have a look. Shame you'd prefer some shameless American pop act to a fine bit of Kelly and the lads, haha. Never mine the sentiment is still there! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:21, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T19:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T18:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T21:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't regard either group, POP... really! (and of the era that I like, three of the five in Fleetwood Mac are Brits.)

Thanks: the link does work your way, but I can't see the "space" anywhere. Also, I notice you have not used the'pipe' before the word "this". Whilst editing this posting, I can see Charlr6's link does not even have the single bracket either end, and his takes you straight to the section. Can you help me and explain all this, please. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:32, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T21:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:41:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T21:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wish I could. Most of my wiki education has been trial and error, I'm afraid. Well, at least Mick Fleetwood was born in Redruth - a Celtic neighbour of ours. Maybe I should have sent you something by Y Peth or Y Cyrff! One of my freinds still calls this band "Cat-a-walia", haha.Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:41:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T21:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T22:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Having just read the two linked articles, I'm glad you didn't. However I do like Cerys Matthews very much. Probably because she reminds me a little of Stevie Nicks.

I expect PCW can throw some light on my queries (above). Do you think he may be watching?

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T22:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T22:52:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sure that PCW is always watching. Even when he's not there! A bit like a certain BIG character from a well-known film only 28 years ago, but in a much nicer way, of course. I can't complain - PCW acts as my benevolent "wiki-spectacles"! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T22:52:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-01T22:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Having read 1984 at school, probably in 1958, it would be set 26 years in the future. That is crazy.

Postscript: I thought this might be appropriate here.

Big Brother is watching this user.

Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:49, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-16T11:49:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-16T11:49:00.000Z-Let_Me_In","replies":[]}}-->

Arguably one of Eric Arthur's worst titles, although, of course, he died 34 years before he could have found out. Maybe. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T23:29:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T23:29:00.000Z-Let_Me_In","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T23:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T23:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, a sort of planned obsolesence in the Arthur C. Clarke mould - though quite snappy, it has to be said... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:46, 1 March 2012 (UTC) Anyway, I would do it this way. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 08:15, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T23:46:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T23:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T23:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:37:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T23:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Works for me and much simpler - thanks. Yes, that other Arthur only missed out by three years, didn't he. Is there a pattern here? Maybe a new Category is needed! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T08:37:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:37:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T23:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-02T09:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi, PCW! Excellent. Once again you have sorted out my confusion. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T09:36:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-02T09:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey there,

Look at this if you are interested. There is some extremely annoying person on this link below that I have just copied and pasted over. They wanted to know what "non-diegetic" means and I told them and gave them a link to a website which has further information on it. And then the person replies saying and implying that I wrote the Wikipedia article and that its my fault its like that and I should follow rules and not have excessive linking. I do not know what this persons problem is as it seems that they are not listening at all to anything I have said.

Check it out if you want.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Artist_(film)#non-diegetic

Charlr6 (talk) 18:44, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T18:44:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T18:44:00.000Z-Hey_look_at_this","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:20:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T18:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

(Excuse my butting in, Martin...) I think you and the other editor are talking at crossed purposes; the other editor is objecting to the use of the term "non-diegetic" within the The Artist (film) article - they're not, as far as I understand, commenting on the Diegesis article at all. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T19:20:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:20:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T18:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:26:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

("... goodness me," he gasped, "am I now just the non-diagetic interjection in this gripping narrative?!") (dramatic surge in auditorium piano accompaniment) (fade to grey ...) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T19:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:26:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, yes, apologies - I got intrigued... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 19:34, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T19:34:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-01T19:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T19:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, Charlr6, I can see why you are a bit annoyed. Why can't the word be linked!? After all, the idea is to educate the reader, isn't it? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:59, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T20:59:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T20:59:00.000Z-Hey_look_at_this","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T20:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know. I don't know why he just doesn't do it himself and is practically blaming or implying it's my fault that the article is hard to understand. Charlr6 (talk) 21:06, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T20:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:09:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I really don't know. But I suggest you just walk away - there's no point wasting any more of your time, with some editors, I am sorry to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:09:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:20:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

I actually am going to walk away. And if he continues, I'll read it and then just report it as there is no need for him to have a go at me about it even though I was trying to help him understand what the word meaned. I don't' know why he just didn't go onto the actual page of 'diegetic' and talked on there. Charlr6 (talk) 21:20, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:20:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:24:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Quite so. You were obviously just trying to be hekpful. He certainly should raise his concerns at that page itself. Once he knows what it means he could even try and help to improve it! Do email me by the way. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T21:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:24:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T21:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T23:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know how to email on Wikipedia and send personal messages. How do I do it? Thanks Charlr6 (talk) 23:26, 1 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-01T23:26:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-01T23:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-01T21:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:07:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T23:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

From this page, or from my User Page, look over to the left where it says "Toolbox" and under there you should find an option called "E-mail this user". That's all you need! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:07, 2 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-02T08:07:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-02T08:07:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-01T23:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As tabloids, the Daily Mail and the Mail on Sunday definitely wouldn't be considered as reliable sources, especially for a WP:BLP article. --John (talk) 00:20, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z","author":"John","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John-2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z-Sources","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:24:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:40:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for watching. Ok, fine - I quite agree they should be improved. What do you want to do about the Chris Evans music (and farming - but whereabouts is that, by the way?) stuff? Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:24, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T00:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:24:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

.. or not watching? what's unreliable? what's unsourced? and what's trimmed? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:40, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:40:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-John-2012-03-03T00:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for your understanding. Per previous discussions at WP:BLPN these sources are not considered reliable ones for contentious claims. I think the radio show would require some sort of third party coverage; the radio show itself is a primary source and we prefer secondary ones. --John (talk) 00:59, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T00:59:00.000Z","author":"John","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-John-2012-03-03T00:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T00:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T01:11:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have no issue with the tabloids. As regards the radio show - I think we're very unlikely to ever get "third party" coverage (or do you/"we" prefer secondary sources?). But you never know. My own view is that the actual broadcast was primary and the BBC website, with list of music played, is the secondary, but unfortunatley it doesn't make it clear which were Clarkson's "official choices". From where else, however, do we have any claim or a source for his farming activities? This seems quite important. Your wholesale deletion seems a little heavy handed here. And it's not clear from your edit summaries what you've done or why you've done it. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 01:11, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T01:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T01:11:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T00:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:12:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T01:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

So, could you elaborate? There are plenty of edits sourced from "primary" radio and television programmes all over wikipedia. Do you think they should all be removed? And did you know that Clarkson has a (surprisingly modest) farm>? [5]? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:12:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:12:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T01:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-John-2012-03-03T09:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Two separate issues here. On primary sources my stance is that they should only be used for things like dates of birth that are indisputable. On Clarkson's agricultural exploits I would be open to including that in the article with a source. --John (talk) 09:17, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:17:00.000Z","author":"John","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-John-2012-03-03T09:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:21:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T09:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Is that just your personal view or is it wikipedia policy? And are the broadcast and the programme information on the BBC website both the same single primary source? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:21:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T09:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-John-2012-03-03T09:33:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's policy, and we also have WP:BLPPRIMARY which takes an even stronger line. On the second question I could be swayed by argument. In removing this material (which I accept you added with good intentions) I was mindful that there is an awful lot of fancruft in that article which is similarly poorly sourced and which should also be removed. Why not post it at one of the boards? I am usually right on things like this but I am not infallible. --John (talk) 09:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:33:00.000Z","author":"John","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-John-2012-03-03T09:33:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:43:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T09:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, John. I tend to agree about the fancruft. But I'm not that bothered - just thought it was useful in terms of his musical tastes. Bur then Evans also claimed that he'd choosen a track by Bros! I was more thrown by your rapid removal of the Breakfast Show alongisde the tabloids. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:43, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:43:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T09:43:00.000Z-John-2012-03-03T09:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin. I think I've come up with a reasonable compromise. The Radio 2 website is, to be fair, rubbish, but it does have photos of the walks that they did whilst doing the programme which don't appear on the 6 Music site, so I think it should stay for this reason. The category should also stay as, although the programme is no longer on Radio 2, it used to be and other defunct programmes (Chris Evans Drivetime for one) are also in this category. When football players transfer to another club the category of the former club remains in the article. The Radio 2 template should go as you argue as Radcliffe has his own article. Fair enough? Quentin X (talk) 09:58, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T09:58:00.000Z","author":"Quentin X","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quentin_X-2012-03-03T09:58:00.000Z-Radcliffe_&_Maconie","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T10:03:00.000Z-Quentin_X-2012-03-03T09:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Q. Yes that's completeky reasonable and useful. I hadn't realised that the walks were still on there. That's perfectly fine with me. (I'm obviously still sore about that move to Radio 6 last year!) Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T10:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T10:03:00.000Z-Quentin_X-2012-03-03T09:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Good work on Plath.

Nights, I squat in the cornucopia
Of your left ear, out of the wind,

Counting the red stars and those of plum-color.
The sun rises under the pillar of your tongue.

I would say the syntax of the word 'nights' here, without the context of the whole poem, is a bit odd - more ambiguous than in the poem itself. It's not clear whether she is addressing the nights or if it's American usage, as in "During the nights, I squat.." It's almost a theatrical direction "Nights." It's the comma after 'nights' that is strange in the poem. I'm not sure what it's for.

The sun rises under the pillar of your tongue.
My hours are married to shadow.
No longer do I listen for the scrape of a keel
On the blank stones of the landing.

This section is striking and demonstrates well her style, simplicity and typical use of natural imagery. I think it works as a unit. The plum colored stars are, admittedly, stunning. Span (talk) 19:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T19:31:00.000Z","author":"Spanglej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spanglej-2012-03-03T19:31:00.000Z-Plath","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T19:46:00.000Z-Spanglej-2012-03-03T19:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Span"}}-->

Well that's quite a coincidence! I was thinking of exactly that comma not ten minutes ago. Thirty years of reading this poem and still one is not finished. And yes, I had always seen that as a beautiful Americanism, one of the things that charmed me first with Plath's work. If you wish to cut the extract back, so be it. Maybe the smaller the quotes, the more likely reader is to seek out the full version themselves! Great to hear from you Span - one of the reasons I stayed. Thank you. (For me the "nights" is resolved only by the rising sun of the last stanza). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T19:46:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T19:46:00.000Z-Spanglej-2012-03-03T19:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Spanglej-2012-03-03T20:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T19:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think it's too small a niggle to make a change. I'll defer to your poetic judgement. I'm itching to get my hands on some recent descent Plath biogs and do a proper job on the article. The death section does need work. Maybe this week. Enjoy the weekend. Span (talk) 20:41, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-03T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Spanglej","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Spanglej-2012-03-03T20:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-03T19:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Span"}}-->

I noticed you added a cartoon with an edit summary "not taking swipes at other editors" hahaha lol" to my talk page, and then removed it. I have no idea as to what your motives might be, but I think it would be a good idea if you kept off my talk page and I will avoid yours. J3Mrs (talk) 13:57, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T13:57:00.000Z","author":"J3Mrs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-J3Mrs-2012-03-04T13:57:00.000Z-FYI","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T14:41:00.000Z-J3Mrs-2012-03-04T13:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well avoided. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:41, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T14:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T14:41:00.000Z-J3Mrs-2012-03-04T13:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T18:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T14:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

I howled with laughter when I activated your link. Thank you Martin for brightening a dull Sunday evening! Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:32, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T18:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T14:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T21:51:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T18:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

"A caricature is putting the face of a joke on the body of a truth" - Joseph Conrad. I wouldn't claim that link as mine [6]. And I certainly would never paste a cartoon onto anyone's Talk Page. I have to admit that I also laughed out loud when I saw it and my rather optimistic motive was, alas, to spread the amusement. But the intoxicaton of hilarty is not always as infectious as one hopes it will be. I regard it as progess, however, as this time at least I didn't get threatened with being blocked from an apparently wholly impartial Administrator. As before, I had hoped my little jest would be a private matter. But as we all know "there is nothing private on Wikipedia". It is indeed unfortunate that "so many editors have no sense of humour", or at least can't see the funny side of a situation in which they are embroiled. I guess many editors (like a certain editor I can think of) are very earnest and diligent and have a lot to teach all of us, but just don't see humour as a necessary part of writing an encyclopedia. As a certain comic genius (probably the greatest) once said: "You can lead a horse to water, but if you can get him to float on his back then you've really got something." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T21:51:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T21:51:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T18:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T21:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

That sounds like Groucho Marx. Is it? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T22:35:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T21:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T22:46:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

"I find television very educating. Every time somebody turns on the set, I go into the other room and read a book." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:46, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T22:46:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:51:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T22:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's very clever. (As you say, there is only one.) Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:51:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T22:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:00:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

although possibly misattributed, have always loved: "Outside a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read." He was truly a comic genius. I have only to see his face to want to smile. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:00:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T22:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T23:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Didn't W H Smith have that one on their bags a year ago? The edit summaries of this strand tell a comic story worth recording. Good night. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T23:13:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T23:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:20:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T23:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

"My experience is that people are most likely to listen to reason when in bed." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:20, 4 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-04T23:20:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:20:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-04T23:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T08:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, I thought that was your own work. See you made a good job of the housekeeping! Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:44, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T08:44:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T08:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-04T23:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T21:16:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T08:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, not mine, that be classed as WP:OR!!

I've been wondering about Mrs. J3. Did she interpret your LOL as I did, or p'haps she thought its meaning was the original version. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:16, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T21:16:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T21:16:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T08:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:23:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T21:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I really don't know. And I'm not too sure I'll be asking her just yet. I think, either way, it could hardly be construed as malicious. But then it still is pathetic and mindless childish vandalism!!!, as I'm sure you're well aware. LOL. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:23, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T21:23:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:23:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T21:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've just had a perusal of the LOL page, which I didn't know existed and I admit is a bit of an education; I didn't realise that "ROFL" means "Roll[ing] on [the] floor laughing" - when Martin responded to my Moomin New Year greeting with "rofl", I'm afraid my rather coarse interpretation just assumed it had to mean "Roars of f***ing laughter!" (which I prefer, actually....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:49, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T21:49:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-06T21:49:00.000Z-FYI","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:57:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-06T21:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

just watch out for ROFD ... "rolling on floor dying" (but if it's ROFDOL, that's ok, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:57:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-06T21:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I don't know about you two but I am SMHID Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:29, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T22:29:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T21:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

While I'm just LSHMHHFO. I should have sent you a tune by this band, Gareth. But they're not Welsh ... but wait, hang on, WelshLolcattxtBand names - now there's a wikilist just pleading to be compiled! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:56:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z","c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T18:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

OMGNA! Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-06T22:56:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-06T22:56:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

WEIN? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:52, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T18:52:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T18:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-06T22:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T19:34:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T18:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Very well thankyou. Hope you are too. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:34, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T19:34:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T19:34:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T18:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T19:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

PARA Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:05, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T21:05:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T19:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:16:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

probably another ruddy acronym? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T21:16:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:16:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Paralytic, very drunk. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:21, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T21:21:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:33:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

am surprised you can still type. GTK? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T21:33:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:33:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T21:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T22:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just good to know. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:27, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-07T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-07T22:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-07T21:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Regarding Ty Gwyn, I suppose you were going to say, "...reap what you sow"... Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 19:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T19:31:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:31:00.000Z-Ty_Gwyn","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:33:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Or drink what you plant, maybe? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:33:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

These days I prefer the fruit of the vine. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 19:36, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:39:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, of a evening, I often sit down with a nice bunch of M&S seedless, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T19:39:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:39:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T21:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, I've been so long, but I've just got back from our Waitrose, looking for a bottle of Ty Gwyn cider. They said they have, today, had an unexpected run on it ... they can't understand why. Do you know anything about this? Or is it down to the good doctor? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T21:28:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T21:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T19:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T21:35:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T21:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

You'll never believe this... but I was just down at the Royal Opera House in Covent Garden and, much to my Miss Fortune, I soon discovered they had also run out down there!! Who knows what's going on. Yes, I expect 'old Blowers' has drunk the place dry by now. Him and that funny looking cat of his, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T21:35:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T21:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just noticed your editing on the B*347 today, but both of you missed this *

While on this topic, I made this edit, "The road through the village (B4521) was once the A40, linking Ross-on-Wye and Abergavenny." on the Skenfrith article at 19:45 hrs. on 18 February 2012. Does that make it worthy of its own page like the B4521? Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z-B4521","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:17:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sure Wikipedia will not rest until it's done all the B-roads in the country and then moved on to some new wiki-method of classifying the unclassified ones! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T22:17:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:17:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T22:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

You could start here, I guess! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:27, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T22:27:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-15T23:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T22:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have a horror sensation that you might be serious. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:21, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T23:21:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-03-15T23:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T22:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:36, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-10T16:36:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-10T16:36:00.000Z-Llanrothal","replies":[]}}-->

The KC template contains information on RF projects outside of King Crimson, e.g. Guitar Craft. It contains information as well as the activities of former members of the band, e.g. Greg Lake, so the KC template serves for RF rather well. Besides, the KC template appears below the Fripp & Eno article, which is listed on the KC template, so the infallibility of Wikipedia's traditions should also be considered.

A template for RF would be better, I agree.

Feel free to revert me. (I only reverted you since you asked a question, so I felt your revert was tentative.) I will accept your revert without further ado, of course.

Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 13:43, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T13:43:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T13:43:00.000Z-KC_=_RF?_No","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:07:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T13:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

Hi Kiefer. Yes, it was just a tentative rv. I really don't have any strong views on this. To be honest, I think the KC link is quite useful here, although maybe not as useful as one for RF alone. I tend to see "more info = more useful", and I try not to nit-pic over wiki conventions. Just thought the KC template was slightly invading Brian Eno, haha! And thanks for taking the time to drop me a note. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T14:07:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:07:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T13:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T14:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Robert Fripp has done enough---as have Adrian Belew and Tony Levin and Bill Bruford, of "my" KC---that each should have a navbox. Someday!

I don't like to re-revert, and so I thought that I owed you an explanation (besides the edit summary). Regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 14:25, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T14:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:39:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T14:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

But I'm not sure we'd really want to see a "Roxy Music template" added beneath all of them! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:39, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T14:39:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:39:00.000Z-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-12T14:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-25T22:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Agreed!  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T22:32:00.000Z","author":"Kiefer.Wolfowitz","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kiefer.Wolfowitz-2012-03-25T22:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T14:39:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Kiefer"}}-->

"Not to be confused with Braunston-in-Rutland." -- wrong Braunston for your Blue Ball addition. Best Wishes S a g a C i t y (talk) 19:24, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T19:24:00.000Z","author":"Saga City","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saga_City-2012-03-12T19:24:00.000Z-Braunston","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T19:26:00.000Z-Saga_City-2012-03-12T19:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"S a g a C i t y"}}-->

My word that was quick. Many thanks. I assume it's mentioned there? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 12 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-12T19:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-12T19:26:00.000Z-Saga_City-2012-03-12T19:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Original Barnstar

Seems we also share an interest in jazz and music. Appreciate your cleanup work on jazz musicians and such. Well done! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T13:06:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T13:06:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T13:14:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T13:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, but I'm only ever "tarting up a bit". My tastes are rather wide, not to say occasionally unconventional! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T13:14:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T13:14:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T13:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You might be interested in Henry Milbourne and Hilston Park. Glad to meet you. I do a lot of work with User:Rosiestep and will be happy to nominate you also with Llanrothean, The Cwm and anything you help with for DYK! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:13, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:13:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T22:26:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks, Blowers. Remember Llanwrthwl? I am very intrigued by Hilston Park, as I have never heard much about it, despite being a Gwent lad born and bred. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T22:26:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ah yes, I had forgotten actually and that I met you on that but your user name had something familiar about it! I'm a Vale of Glamorganer myself. Don't worry about the links to wrong names, those can be dabbed later!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:54, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:54:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T22:58:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries at all. It's a dab feeding-frenzy, as far as I'm concerned! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T22:58:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-13T22:58:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T22:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Some might not be notable so best to do check one at a time I think. Just been looking at the High Sheriff of Monmouthshire and HIgh Sheriff of Glamorgan lists. They are extremely valuable for spotting old country estates. I found lots of people from local villages and no doubt to research their biographies would turn up a great deal of fascinating local history stuff. Must do some sometime.♦ Dr. Blofeld 23:11, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-13T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-13T23:11:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

I feel better now. KJP1 (talk) 07:29, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T07:29:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-14T07:29:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

Hey there,

On the "Drive (2011)" page, in the past day there have been editors changing the genre of the film completely when previously it was Action with either Drama or Romance in at certain times, or all of them. The 'anon' with an IP "187.35.39.81" has claimed that I am genre warrior even though I'm putting it back to how it's been for ages on the Wiki page. After putting it back earlier he has once again reverted my edit and says he will report me, him anon who will report me for putting the genre back to what its been for a while and everyone before was happy with it. I have started a new section on Drive's talk page as because he isn't registered I can't message him directly. Could you please assist me with this annoying 'anon'.

Thank youCharlr6 (talk) 22:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T22:01:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-14T22:01:00.000Z-Got_an_annoying_'anon'","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-14T22:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll take a look. You seem to get more than your fair share of annoying anons. Sometimes you must feel as if you are "alone in the universe", sob. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z-Charlr6-2012-03-14T22:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Guess you're almost as annoyed with that misleading billing as that "Michigan woman named Sarah Deming"... ! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Charlr6-2012-03-14T23:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, very. Haha. Charlr6 (talk) 23:46, 14 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-14T23:46:00.000Z","author":"Charlr6","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Charlr6-2012-03-14T23:46:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-14T22:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear MartinEvans Are you sure about the history section? Apart from having no references, it doesn't appear to be true. The dates, for example, for Edward the First and his brother are hundreds of years before the 1640s. I strongly suspect much is a spoof. KJP1 (talk) 13:44, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T13:44:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:44:00.000Z-Angel_Hotel,_Monmouth","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:48:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Re-reading it, I suppose if the second and the third sentences were transposed, it could almost be right. But it still seems rather unencyclopedic, focusing on "odd tales" and with no citations. KJP1 (talk) 13:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T13:48:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:48:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-15T14:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Your stalker here! I've taken out the misplaced sentence, to make it clearer. I could comment further about the validity and encyclopedic-ness of much of the Heritage Trail leaflet .... but I might upset some people if I did! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:11, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T14:11:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-15T14:11:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T13:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T15:09:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-15T14:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whoah! I just tweaked the image caption and added two links! That's my input to date here, haha. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T15:09:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T15:09:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-15T14:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-15T15:50:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T15:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry, when I carefully reviewed the history, as I should have done at the outset, I saw the author of the section, who is, I think, the author of much of the content of the Blue Plaque guide. KJP1 (talk) 15:50, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T15:50:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-15T15:50:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T15:09:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-15T18:46:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T15:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

"when a disgruntled jockey, who had been beaten at Monmouth Races, tried to set fire to the winning horse"; was he really trying to set fire to the horse, as opposed to the stable in which it was kept? KJP1 (talk) 18:46, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T18:46:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-15T18:46:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T15:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T19:48:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T18:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Rofl. A gem. And he might have stood a chance of winning if he'd actually been on a horse himself. Shame that it wasn't filmed. (I always use a box of swans myslelf, but the feathers make such a mess!) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:48, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T19:48:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T19:48:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T18:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-15T23:15:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T19:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

As Ghmyrtle says, whilst the enthusiasm of the Monmouthpedians is great, they don't always "get" Wikipedia. Down to Monmouth again this weekend so shall make another attempt to enter St Mary's and get a few good interior shots. KJP1 (talk) 23:15, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T23:15:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-15T23:15:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T19:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T23:24:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T23:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

"St Guy of the Villa", as I prefer to call him, is a boundless source of commonsense. As you may know, I would not be here any more, but for him. I think I know what he means. We can but strive to be the wiki-ying to the monmouth-yang. St Mary's was rather gloomy last time I visited, but still worthwhile - take a camera and get that firebell, haha! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:24, 15 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-15T23:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-15T23:24:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-15T23:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Wahh! massive edit conflict! If you like, I'll try to take on board your changes into my version....  ?? Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:46, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-16T22:46:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T22:46:00.000Z-Wyastone_Leys","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T22:50:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T22:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

You must have been doing a slow global revision? Please do however you wish. I have just been tweaking away and I'm sure any chnages you have made would be fine by me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-16T22:50:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T22:50:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T22:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T23:22:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T22:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm trying to balance my feelings of "Isn't it great to have all these new editors contributing new articles", against my feelings of "OMG what is going on with this....?!" Ghmyrtle (talk) 23:22, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-16T23:22:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T23:22:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T22:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T23:28:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T23:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I know exactly what you mean. It's all a question of yin and yang, my dear chap. But think I'll just retire now for the evening, while the going's good. Will try and get a photo of that Bannerman monument when I can, but it may not last long in a gallery! I thought that one geograph image, so easily discarded, was quite stunning). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 16 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-16T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-16T23:28:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-16T23:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the encouraging words. I might summarize the demands, as I think the list is rather lengthy. Perhaps I can find a link somewhere.Southdevonian (talk) 12:05, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-17T12:05:00.000Z","author":"Southdevonian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Southdevonian-2012-03-17T12:05:00.000Z-Kett's_Rebellion","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for personally taking the photos! One thing though can you locate the house here (you might want to click bing maps with label on the left to get your bearings) and jot down the exact coordinates for the infobox? Cheers!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:02:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:02:00.000Z-Photos","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:05:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Where is that start view? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:05:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

To the southeast of Llanrothal. Llanrothal is the small village you can see to the northwest of the cross. If you'd followed my instruction to click on the bing map thing with labels on the left and zoom out you'd see the places labelled..♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:25, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:25:00.000Z-Photos","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:30:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tut tut. Silly me. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:30:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:30:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

That looks like it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:34, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:34:00.000Z-Photos","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:36:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Spot on. It's not really "in" Llanrothal at all. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:36:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nearer Welsh Newton!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:57, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T22:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T23:03:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, much. You might also like to know that the next property along the road, towards Welsh Newton, and which looks a lot like a late Victorian vicarage, is called "The Nunnery". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-19T23:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-19T23:03:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-19T22:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 22 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hilston Park, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a fire destroyed the house at Hilston Park, Monmouthshire in 1838 and a Palladian mansion was built to replace it? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hilston Park.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:02, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-22T08:02:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2012-03-22T08:02:00.000Z-DYK_for_Hilston_Park","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T08:28:00.000Z-Casliber-2012-03-22T08:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Fortunately, I think most of the errors I introduced into that article were corrected by Ghm! But still plenty of red links left to hunt down. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:28, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-22T08:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T08:28:00.000Z-Casliber-2012-03-22T08:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-22T08:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T08:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

If they're notable....!! Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:59, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-22T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-22T08:59:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T08:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T09:27:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-22T08:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've got to get to my 38,000 articles somehow !! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 22 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-22T09:27:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-22T09:27:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-22T08:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What do you think about the suggestion of setting St Swithin's up as its own article? I think we could still gather enough for Ganarew village. Do you know a house called Sallersbrook - the image in Commons looks interesting.

Pevsner gives it a small mention. KJP1 (talk) 11:31, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T11:31:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T11:31:00.000Z-Ganarew","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T11:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know Sallersbrooke at all, but drove past it on my way to Lewstone - in fact, I think it may be in Lewstone as opposed to Ganarew. The house itself is tucked away, but it's obvious that one is driving past quite a grand estate. There are very old farm buiildings up the road at Lewstone - I'm surprised some if them are not listed. Your plan for Ganarew sounds very ambitous! But I'm sure there's more that could be added about Vortigen. And thanks for your attention to detail here. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T11:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-25T13:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T14:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think it's the Doward Hotel from BLBO, the description certainly sounds right. "c1800, altered C20 Painted brick, C20 tiled roof. Sash windows throughout, C20 bow window extension on ground floor to right of entrance; Tuscan portico, plain fanlight and C20 6 panelled door." But it's not a hotel anymore, at least not one I can find on Google. I'll ask User talk:Rosiestep to take St Swithin to its own page and then we can play around adding to Ganarew. The cave looks superbly spooky! KJP1 (talk) 13:52, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T13:52:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T13:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Certainly no longer a hotel (but I guess the cave would be cheaper). Quite happy to put St Swithin on its own. But I'd like to get the bottom of "St Luke`s". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:03, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T14:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

These are of Lewstone:

. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T12:59:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T12:59:00.000Z-Ganarew","replies":[]}}-->

Nominated for DYK and presumably for Monmouthpedia.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T15:36:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T15:36:00.000Z-Ganarew","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:01:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T15:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks, "Blowers". I don't keep very close track of these things, but it's useful if only to advertise to others what one is interested in. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:01, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T17:01:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:01:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T15:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You've hit upon my other passion! Aside from Monmouthpedia and anything vaguely Monmouthshire in the architecture field. Many thanks for your help - one day (soon) we'll try this for FA. Ganarew is looking great, I thought I'd need to add when the church moved but you've done it already. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:26, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:26:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:26:00.000Z-William_Burges","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:32:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

You can thank Rosiestep for her wonderful efforts at Ganarew. I have visted Castell Coch only once, whilst still a very young schoolboy - that single experience will stay with me for the rest of my life. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:32:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

"Personal life: but where is it?". In what sense? Do you think there's not enough? He's a little documented architect and there's little available as to what made him tick. Beyond drink, opium, ratting, chatting and architecture. Not sure there's much more to add. KJP1 (talk) 21:35, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z","c-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:37:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, just that picture - "Burges as architect, by Edward John Poynter" - where is it?! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"that single experience will stay with me for the rest of my life." I felt like that when I first saw his work, as a schoolboy, at Cardiff Castle. He is truly amazing. That's why he deserves an FA. KJP1 (talk) 21:37, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:37:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:37:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Totally and utterly agree. Second only to William Morris in my book. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:40, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T21:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

"Second only to William Morris"!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you're just trying to wind me up. The picture is "a photograph of a painting of William Burges, dressed as an architect. The painting appears in a panel of the Yatman Cabinet designed by Burges, and was painted by artist Edward John Poynter. It dates from 1858. The cabinet is in the collection of the Victoria and Albert Museum in London." OK, you prefer Morris if you must. KJP1 (talk) 22:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T22:02:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T21:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:07:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm so pleased that architecture is such a dispassionate subject, aren't you. Someone has to design wallpaper, you know, haha! Maybe a date and a link to the V&A in the caption? (Someone has to tidy the links in image captions, you know, haha). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:07:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

But the links are great. Burges designs a brooch as a wedding present for John Pollard Seddon, who works with John Prichard, who designs the Church of St Swithin, Ganarew. Perfect. KJP1 (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T22:13:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:16:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's just amazing. You've just summed up for me what this project is all about. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:16, 25 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-25T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-25T22:16:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-03-25T22:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It is so good to see other people on here know exactly how to build wikipedia and what it is truly about and that contrary to the thoughts of many, the site is not about who lectures and scolds or blocks the most individuals. The chain link article creation thing is in my opinion the best way yo build wikipedia and often turns up some highly interesting connections. To create an article create a red link, blue link it and create further red links etc it definitely the best way.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:04, 26 March 2012 (UTC) Nominated with King Arthur's Cave ‎ .♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T16:04:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T16:04:00.000Z-William_Burges","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T20:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T16:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Blowers, that is just incredible! You are the epitome of what Wikipedia should be about! One tiny wave of Merlins Magic Wand and within the hour a superb new article appears. Superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T20:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T20:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T16:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks! We could also fit an article on The Doward in. Probably Little and Great Doward could be redirected into it with a summary of each hamlet. The Doward appears to be a historical wooded area as a whole and appears to have a lot that could be written. I might look at that tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:16, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T20:16:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T20:16:00.000Z-William_Burges","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T20:21:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T20:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sure you are right. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T20:21:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-03-26T20:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On reflection, that could shed light on the development of Pamela Anderson's problem.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:37, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T00:37:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T00:37:00.000Z-\"quite_a_big_mirror\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T12:58:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T00:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

"And ya don't get many ghosts as "well racked" as that" (as our dear American cousins migbt say). I'm heartily reminded of that old Yankee folk tune "Wet T-Shirt Night", sung in such a spirited manner by that very engaging Mr Zappa (God rest his soul)! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T12:58:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T12:58:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T00:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T18:47:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T12:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think it's true to say that Ms Anderson received more than her Portion Controlled Serving... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 18:47, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T18:47:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T18:47:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T12:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T18:49:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T18:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, rofl! (yet again, "sob") Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T18:49:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-26T18:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Wasn't sure if to post here or my talk page, so I chose here! Anyway, yeah I just did a manual archive :) it's no big deal, I just saw the topics were pretty stale (~1 month) and thought, "Why not?" but it's easily challenged without issue, so feel free to revert if you wish :) --Τασουλα (talk) 15:41, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T15:41:00.000Z","author":"\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T15:41:00.000Z-lo'","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:03:00.000Z-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T15:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Τασουλα. I'm never too sure how to say your user name! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T17:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:03:00.000Z-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T15:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T22:39:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem! And it's Greek origin and I have no idea how to pronounce it either! and my former nickname here of Nutthida is a Thai name, :) --Τασουλα (talk) 22:39, 26 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-26T22:39:00.000Z","author":"\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T22:39:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-26T17:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-28T07:32:00.000Z-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T22:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Tassoola! Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:32, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-28T07:32:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-03-28T07:32:00.000Z-\u03a4\u03b1\u03c3\u03bf\u03c5\u03bb\u03b1-2012-03-26T22:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 27 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Llanrothal, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Cwm in Llanrothal, a college on the Monmouthshire–Herefordshire border, was a "stronghold" of Roman Catholics like Henry Milbourne in the 17th century? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:46, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

On 27 March 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henry Milbourne, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the Cwm in Llanrothal, a college on the Monmouthshire–Herefordshire border, was a "stronghold" of Roman Catholics like Henry Milbourne in the 17th century? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:47, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

[7]...That's funny! "Are you a corrupt politician...or am I being redundant"...of course! Are there any other kind? Nice.--MONGO 02:23, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-28T02:23:00.000Z","author":"MONGO","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MONGO-2012-03-28T02:23:00.000Z-Groucho!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-28T07:21:00.000Z-MONGO-2012-03-28T02:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Poor Hgh is still having a hard time, I'm sorry to see. I keep trying to get people to see the funny side, but I know that's hard when you're embroiled like that. I'm sure Wikipedans are far superior compared with politicians, aren't they. I mean, they're never after your vote, are they, haha!? And poor Jimbo - he never gets any votes and someimes, it seems, he has a very tough job to do, as presumed final referee to a million edit disputes. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:21, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-28T07:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-28T07:21:00.000Z-MONGO-2012-03-28T02:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So, you've finally inspired lazy me to upload an image of Machen with a fair-use rationale and put it in the infobox. Let's see if it sticks. Deor (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-28T14:31:00.000Z","author":"Deor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Deor-2012-03-28T14:31:00.000Z-Machen_image","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-28T16:28:00.000Z-Deor-2012-03-28T14:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for telling me, that's marvelous. And I do hope it does stick, because it makes the article look 100% better (although I do love my decoration)! What a superb image. I'm sure you'll soon find the dustjackets too, for all those book articles, haha (I might even be able to find one or two myself). I wonder if Pwimageglow could be persuaded to nip over to Caerleon with his camera again, to get one of the blue plaque! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:28, 28 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-28T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-28T16:28:00.000Z-Deor-2012-03-28T14:31:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, the Daily Mail story got this wrong. There is no appeal at the moment (there is a submission to the CCRC asking for an appeal). I think they mixed up a new report with one several years old from his previous appeal. Anyway, this is the story from the Guardian. [8] Cheers, SlimVirgin ^(talk) 20:28, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T20:28:00.000Z","author":"SlimVirgin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T20:28:00.000Z-Bamber","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T20:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks, SV. I'm glad that someone was watching, and guess what - I had hoped it might be you (from the edit history there)! I must admit I was a bit surprised that only the Daily Snail had reported this. I must keep reminding myself, in future, to appropriately "respect" their journalistic standards. Crumbs, what rubbbish, it seems. Where did "on the sixth day" come from? that sounds quite definite. But does the comment in the Guardian article warrant an addition/ new section? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T20:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z","c-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T21:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

("Daily Snail" - haven't heard that one before. I like Daily Misery myself, in acknowledgement of their joyous outlook on just about everything....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T21:01:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:06:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Did someone mention DIANA!!! now that was a TRAGEDY! and VERY VERY suspicious... if we could just go on and on about it, ad infinitum, into the next millenium maybe, etc etc .....? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T21:06:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:06:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:16:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

One must remember - those poor readers who occupy the upper socio-economic groups of one of the richest countries in the world, they like to be assured that life is indeed awful.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T21:16:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-03-29T21:16:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am guessing that a reporter not familiar with the case was asked to write a story about the latest evidence. He pulled up material from the files about "Jeremy Bamber appeal" and got stories about his last appeal in 2002 mixed up with this new report from Bamber's lawyers. As for where day six came from, I have no idea.

I got a fright myself when I read your edit because I've been following this story closely, and for a split second thought, "oh my god, not only has an appeal been allowed, but it's in its sixth day! How could I have missed this?" :D SlimVirgin ^(talk) 21:31, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T21:31:00.000Z","author":"SlimVirgin","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T21:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T20:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:38:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T21:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, double-take time. Not sure if that's the "power of the media", or the "power of wikipedia", or just a shared wiki-consciousness taking over! Our paths have not crossed SV, for quite a while now. Was it some music article? Sorry, I can't remember. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:38:00.000Z-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T21:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T22:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't remember where it was, Martin, but it's nice to see you again anyway. :) SlimVirgin ^(talk) 22:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-03-29T22:06:00.000Z","author":"SlimVirgin","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SlimVirgin-2012-03-29T22:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-03-29T21:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Here's a puzzle. I've given some details on the above page about Pen-y-Clawdd Court and listed it as a Grade I Listed building in Monmouthshire. But I now think the details I've quoted refer to another Pen-y-Clawdd Court. My doubts arise from, firstly the fact that RCAHMW lists Pen-y-Clawdd Court as being in the parish of Llanvihangel Crucorney, which plainly the Court between Raglan and Monmouth isn't, and, secondly, because the description in RCAHMW, and the pictures from a link I've found here [[9]], don't look at all like the Pen-y-Clawdd Court I photographed a few weekends ago. But Newman's Monmouthshire only lists one Pen-y-Clawdd Court and his description "notable only for the nobly scaled red brick arch close up to the road" definitely does match the house I photographed, the pictures of which I was going to upload until I got cold feet.

So, I think there are actually two Pen-y-Clawdd Courts. But why does Newman not list the one near Abergavenny, which looks much more interesting and which I think is Grade I, but does list the one near Raglan which he acknowledges is only notable for its gate? If you're as stumped as I, do you think Dr B or Ghmyrtle might know? KJP1 (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-04T18:27:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-04T18:27:00.000Z-Pen-y-clawdd","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T18:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Intriguing. Very surprised. Would Bradney help I wonder - I dont have access to the volume that might have it (or them). It seems Hando wrote an Argus article on Pen-y-Clawdd on 30-8-57, but not sure which one. If Ghmyrtle doesn't know, he'll probably have some good ideas about how to find out. But then DrB is quite likely to take it on as a personal challenge and write two or three new articles as a result! I'll try and have a look too. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-04T18:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-04T18:41:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T18:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-04-04T19:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-04T18:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Either result would be good. So I'll go and ask. But would appreciate any digging you could do. Best regards. KJP1 (talk) 19:26, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-04T19:26:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-04T19:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-04T18:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-04-04T21:58:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T19:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

User talk:Ghmyrtle has the answer. Now some work to do. KJP1 (talk) 21:58, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-04T21:58:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-04T21:58:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T19:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"What was supposed to be conveyed by" those images? Only one, very unencylcopaedic, word springs to mind - beauty. I do like that. Sometimes I think we struggle to get that concept across. But we keep trying. KJP1 (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-04T22:40:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-04T22:40:00.000Z-Everything","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T07:28:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T22:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Excuse my while I nail this butterfly to its display mount.... don't what the pesky thing flying off again, do we! Martinevans123 (talk) 07:28, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-05T07:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T07:28:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-04T22:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

"Pill" is a widely used term on the English side of the Bristol Channel for a tidal creek - e.g. at Pill, Huntspill, etc. It's almost certainly related to the Welsh "pwll", but I'm not sure we can say it derives from the Welsh word - they probably both derive from an earlier Celtic word. St Pierre Pill could have been (in fact, was probably more likely to have been) so named by the perfidious English in the estuary, rather than by the Welsh who had retreated westwards and hillwards by the time it was named. There is a theory that the "pool" in Liverpool derives from the same word. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:12, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-05T22:12:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-05T22:12:00.000Z-Pill_and_pwll","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T22:19:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-05T22:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks, yes that makes a lot of sense. I'll revert that. Should Pwllgwenlly also be amended? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 5 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-05T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T22:19:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-05T22:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-06T07:43:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T22:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, there needs to be some regard for consistency. The article on Pillgwenlly refers to a Welsh word "pill", which I don't think is correct - it was pwll. But that place, and other places in areas that were unequivocally Welsh, would have originally had Welsh (or proto-Welsh) names - it's just that I think that it's an overstatement to say that places where the name could have derived from either Welsh or English words, necessarily derived from the Welsh term. In the case of St Pierre as well, it's completely unclear as to whether the name derived from a Welsh Pŷr or a Norman Pierre. It may well, in fact, have been the site of the semi-legendary Welsh harbour Porth-is-coed, later renamed by the post-Norman English. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-06T07:43:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-06T07:43:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-05T22:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-06T08:10:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-06T07:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

That all makes sense to me, Gh. If any place might get a clear etymology maybe it's this place, but things were a lot less clear in Gwent, weren't they? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-06T08:10:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-06T08:10:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-06T07:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 8 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hereford Cathedral Library, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the oldest volume in the Hereford Cathedral Library is the Hereford Gospels, dated to around the year 780? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hereford Cathedral Library.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 16:03, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-08T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Orlady","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Orlady-2012-04-08T16:03:00.000Z-DYK_for_Hereford_Cathedral_Library","replies":[]}}-->

On 9 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ganarew, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 09:33, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

On 9 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article King Arthur's Cave, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that King Arthur's Cave, near Ganarew, to the northeast of Monmouth, is reputedly the oldest Arthurian site? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 17:19, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for working to improve Preston Passion with me; I edit conflicted with you more than once! Want to co-nom it for DYK with me?, I just expanded it so it fits in the size rules. Rcsprinter (lecture) 20:26, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-09T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Rcsprinter123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-09T20:26:00.000Z-Preston_Passion","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-09T20:47:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-09T20:26:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rcsprinter"}}-->

No worries. I found it a superb piece of television and quite inspirational. So go ahead, by all means. Perhaps we could add a tv programme info box? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-09T20:47:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-09T20:47:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-09T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-09T20:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Great, I filed it. Rcsprinter (constabulary) 17:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z","author":"Rcsprinter123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-09T20:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T14:52:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rcsprinter"}}-->

Ok. Looks like the Development Producer himself has lent us a hand here! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-10T14:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T14:52:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T14:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Really? I'll check it out. Wasn't logged in because I was editing from an iPad in an Apple store demo thingy. (Yep, dedication). Here is a link to the DYK nom, I put your name on it. Rcsprinter (constabulary) 17:14, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z","author":"Rcsprinter123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T14:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T17:27:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rcsprinter"}}-->

Haha, very good. Many thanks. I have added another ALT hook! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-10T17:27:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-10T17:27:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-10T17:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hehe I looked at the Pendour Cove article and you edited it! We must be telepathic or just share very similar interests!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T12:15:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:15:00.000Z-Saint_Senara","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:17:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I blame the mystic cod! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T12:17:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:17:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Equally strange is that I was thinking about The Doward but decided to do that first! Will start shortly..♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T12:21:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:26:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

"Cod moves in mysterious ways, its wikiwonders to perform." (old Lancashire saying). Martinevans123 (talk) 12:26, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T12:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:26:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T12:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T17:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Goodness me, we've even got Haddock House now!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T17:29:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T17:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T12:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You may wish to add to The Doward.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:32, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T13:32:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-13T13:32:00.000Z-Saint_Senara","replies":[]}}-->

Can't understand why the unnamed one is being quite so aggressive. Perfectly reasonable debate but don't get why he takes it personally. Somewhat like you, I lived in Monmouthshire from age 5 to age 18 and never once thought I was living in Gwent! And what has gone wrong with Reflinks. It was so good. KJP1 (talk) 21:35, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T21:35:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:35:00.000Z-Tredegar_House","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T21:44:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes strange. The 'Port has never even felt like a city to me, let alone a Unitary Authority! But Mr. Anon has legal factitude on his or her side, I fear. The small Welsh town of... Twinned with Guangxi Province in China - There's no Province finer: [10] Lush. I loves it. Safe, bro! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T21:44:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T21:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh that's very good. The number of times I rolled into Newport Station on a wet, cold night. But indeed, Mr Anon is "right". However, it was built in Monmouthshire, it's helpful and sensible to list it in Monmouthshire, and I doubt the decidedly exotic Evan Morgan, 2nd Viscount Tredegar would have been much impressed to be told he was residing in the unitary authority area of Newport. So we'll leave it as long as we can. KJP1 (talk) 21:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T21:54:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:54:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T21:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-13T22:25:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think I'll stay out of this one, on that article talk page at least. The fact is that it is in Newport, which is how most readers (globally) would locate it. Whether we need to add that it is/was in "Monmouthshire" seems pretty irrelevant to me (though obviously of vital importance to some!), and I think we should ensure that no-one gains the false impression that it is located in Monmouthshire. Ghmyrtle (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-13T22:25:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-13T21:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:36:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-13T22:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I too was tempted to stay out. People can get very worked up about counties, especially as far as Lancashire, Manchester and Liverpool are concerned, for example! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:36:00.000Z-Ghmyrtle-2012-04-13T22:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-KJP1-2012-04-16T22:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think we've teased him enough - and it's right now, in every sense. KJP1 (talk) 22:32, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-16T22:32:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-04-16T22:32:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-16T22:37:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-16T22:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Quite agree. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:37, 16 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-16T22:37:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-16T22:37:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-04-16T22:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, [11] considering intro plus your addition were much better than the current version. After texts that can be found the account seems to have been about a concrete experiment after which the author simply derived the idea of the engine. --Askedonty (talk) 22:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Askedonty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Askedonty-2012-04-13T22:15:00.000Z-Sorry,_knocked_twice","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:31:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-13T22:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, I had forgotten that I had even made that edit. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-13T22:31:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:31:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-13T22:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Askedonty-2012-04-14T09:53:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes; wouldn't be it possible, considering the evolution of expression, as well as the Marquess' own personality, that a Century was intended meaning for a hundreth ? I wonder -- Askedonty (talk) 09:53, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T09:53:00.000Z","author":"Askedonty","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Askedonty-2012-04-14T09:53:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-13T22:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T09:57:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-14T09:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, possibly. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:57, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T09:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T09:57:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-14T09:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Askedonty-2012-04-14T19:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T09:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

What he patented with parliament must have been one sort of a coupled axe wheel, this was built. Nonetheless a priority dispute between Denis Papin and Thomas Savery was once settled in France by refering to Worcester (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k24674j/f34.image). This wouldn't be allowed to happening again I guess. Thank you very much for your time (and editing space), this has been very encouraging. --Askedonty (talk) 19:13, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Askedonty","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Askedonty-2012-04-14T19:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T09:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T19:52:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-14T19:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are very welcome. I wish my French was good enough to understand what was being described there! Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T19:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T19:52:00.000Z-Askedonty-2012-04-14T19:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I thought you might be watching! Actually I didn't mean to remove the TH entry, that was a consequence of an edit conflict I think. Though I did wonder if he should be listed there, seeing as he's mentioned elsewhere in the article. What's normal policy? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:30, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T22:30:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:30:00.000Z-Dorchester","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:40:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

If I were you, I'd remove most of the last few sections and just paste in one of his poems. But that may not be normal policy? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:40:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:45:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Only one? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:45, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T22:45:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:45:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:52:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha. There's one that's particularly apt for tonight, of all nights. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:52:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T22:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T23:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's a student essay on the web about that poem, I like the essay's summary line: "The poem, obviously, isn't about a nice event, hence there are a lot of references to death." Give them a spot on Newsnight Review - might make it less like that Fry and Laurie sketch.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:05, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T23:05:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T23:05:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T22:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T23:28:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T23:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Eat your heart out, Jeremy Paxman. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:28, 14 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-14T23:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-14T23:28:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-04-14T23:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Martinevans123. You have new messages at Gareth Griffith-Jones's talk page.
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Were you trying to see how long it would be before I found this. You hid it rather well. Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 11:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-15T11:40:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-15T11:40:00.000Z-Talkback-1","replies":[]}}-->

OK both can be in the info box but La Paz has to be like SEAT OF GOVERMENT or GOVERMENT CITY that is the right term used in bolivia,oh and excuse me can you tell me where are you from??? By:Carloshistory — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carloshistory (talk • contribs) 19:40, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-15T19:40:00.000Z","author":"Carloshistory","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carloshistory-2012-04-15T19:40:00.000Z-Capital_of_Bolivia","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-15T20:41:00.000Z-Carloshistory-2012-04-15T19:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the reply. I am from not Bolivia. And I must admit that I'm not sure what the WP:MOS is for country info boxes - it might have to be just one city as capital. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:41, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-15T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-15T20:41:00.000Z-Carloshistory-2012-04-15T19:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Fantastic Not Bolivia lol, I live in the Wirral if I was mad I could even run to Wales when the tides out, my cousin did it once (lying sod he is) anyway suffice it to say unlucky for us he came back sigh

(... in deep broad Tennessee accent ...) Ah, yes the Wire-all. Ain't that the lil' ole capital of Scouseland? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-11T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-11T19:56:00.000Z-Capital_of_Bolivia","replies":[]}}-->

Next Saturday in Monmouth? Victuallers (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-15T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Victuallers","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Victuallers-2012-04-15T20:02:00.000Z-The_Doward","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-15T20:44:00.000Z-Victuallers-2012-04-15T20:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for invite Victs. It seems unlikely, but you never know. It should be a good meeting. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:44, 15 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-15T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-15T20:44:00.000Z-Victuallers-2012-04-15T20:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 18 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Doward, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that King Arthur's Cave is in The Doward (pictured)? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/The Doward.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 01:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

You have anything on Velindre House in Whitchurch, Cardiff?♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:25, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T13:25:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-21T13:25:00.000Z-DYK_for_The_Doward","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T13:28:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-21T13:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not really. But I see this snippet [12] and this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T13:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T13:28:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-04-21T13:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 20 April 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Preston Passion, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that the 2012 Preston Passion featured thousands of Preston residents and included Surely He Hath Borne Our Griefs from Handel's Messiah? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Preston Passion.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:06, 20 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-20T00:06:00.000Z","author":"The Bushranger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Bushranger-2012-04-20T00:06:00.000Z-DYK_for_Preston_Passion","replies":[]}}-->

It all sounds wonderful! I wish I had been there to see it. My Easter was rather tame by comparison. Congrats on the DYK! Amandajm (talk) 09:59, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z-Preston_Passion_2","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T10:12:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z","c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-21T12:43:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I'm not a huge fan of this type of live music/ filmed drama mix, and no live outside broadcast can ever be perfect. But I think this worked really well. My main disappointment was that Jamelia and band were incarcerated on the brutal 60s mausoleum that is the Bus Station car park. But the aerial camera for the movement pieces was a touch of genius. Well done Preston Guild - the programme was well worth doing and was done very well. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:12, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T10:12:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T10:12:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(But I was the one who actually created the article.) Rcsprinter (tell me stuff) 12:43, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T12:43:00.000Z","author":"Rcsprinter123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-21T12:43:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-04-21T09:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T12:57:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-21T12:43:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Rcsprinter"}}-->

Yes, you certainly were. I don't really deserve that DYK. I would never have even thought of creating it. But I'm still glad of Amanda's contribution. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:57, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T12:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-21T12:57:00.000Z-Rcsprinter123-2012-04-21T12:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is a whole set on Commons with this image. I'm biased as I took most of them so I'll leave the choice to you.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 23:02, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-21T23:02:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-21T23:02:00.000Z-Titanic_Sea_Odyssey","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:55:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-21T23:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's the sort of event that might well deserve its own article. My concern with that image is that the diver gets a bit lost in the crowd and street furniture, especially as it looks a bit of a dull day in Liverpool (!) I'll have a look. Thanks for the tip off. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T08:55:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:55:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-21T23:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T12:50:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

It was a dull day. It's just finished now. Sea Odyssey on COmmons.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:50, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T12:50:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T12:59:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T12:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

A fine collection. I thought (20) was very good, but I have added (13). Where did the uncle eventually find the little girl? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T12:59:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T12:59:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T12:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T13:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T12:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I just uploaded them all crap or otherwise. If someone want to delete some it's fine by me. Down by the Docks last night. I'm trying to get some people to upload there photos. So it might be worth checking later. You basically had to pick you place to stand and hold it. As soon as I can work out how to convert this I'll up load it Film.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 13:13, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T13:13:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T13:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T12:59:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T13:26:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T13:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, that would be good. Wikipedia looks like it's in the Stone Age when it comes to the use of video clips. And indiscriminately banning all YouTube links doesn't really help. So good luck with that. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T13:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T13:26:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T13:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-2.26.160.47-2012-04-22T14:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T13:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thatwas easier than last time I tried, using Make Web Video . Just do this to see if it links.--2.26.160.47 (talk) 14:06, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T14:06:00.000Z","author":"2.26.160.47","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-2.26.160.47-2012-04-22T14:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T13:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T14:30:00.000Z-2.26.160.47-2012-04-22T14:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Very good, well done. Certainly big enough isn't it!! Martinevans123 (talk)

Estimates are 1/4 Million came to watch. Liverpool echo --Kitchen Knife (talk) 14:30, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T14:30:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T14:30:00.000Z-2.26.160.47-2012-04-22T14:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T16:07:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T14:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

That suggests an article might well be justufied. Martinevans123 (talk)

It probably is have a look at this Merseyside Police vid--Kitchen Knife (talk) 16:07, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T16:07:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T16:07:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T14:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T16:17:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T16:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Amazing. Love the dog!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T16:17:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T16:17:00.000Z-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-22T16:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-23T12:33:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T16:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Aparently 1/2 a Million turned up. BB1 7.30 on Wednesday has a special on it.--Kitchen Knife (talk) 12:33, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-23T12:33:00.000Z","author":"Kitchen Knife","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-Kitchen_Knife-2012-04-23T12:33:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T16:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

kittens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Twinmill32 (talk) 00:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Twinmill32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:53:00.000Z-A_kitten_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:57:00.000Z-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wonder where the other pesky blighters are lurking.... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T08:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T08:57:00.000Z-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

WTF? Twinmill32 (talk) 00:54, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T00:54:00.000Z","author":"Twinmill32","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:54:00.000Z-A_cookie_for_you!","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T09:03:00.000Z-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Whooooo! it's tonight's star prize! (visions of a besuited Nicholas Parsons with Sale of the Century music playing in the background... ) I just wish I knew what these were for, or who they were from. At least not from one of 65,000 random ip addresses in Wochita, maybe... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:03, 22 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-22T09:03:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-22T09:03:00.000Z-Twinmill32-2012-04-22T00:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin,

I am working on Cnapan and if my findings prove correct I will have important information to contribute to the games origins. (Adrian Roebuck (talk) 11:11, 23 April 2012 (UTC))[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-23T11:11:00.000Z","author":"Adrian Roebuck","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adrian_Roebuck-2012-04-23T11:11:00.000Z-Cnapan","replies":[]}}-->

	The Barnstar of Good Humor
	This quip deserves some appreciation Best Wishes Ankh.Morpork 23:04, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-23T23:04:00.000Z","author":"AnkhMorpork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AnkhMorpork-2012-04-23T23:04:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2","replies":[],"displayName":"Ankh"}}-->

Glad someone appreciated. Although I was trying to make the point that someone's life might be more important than a wikipedia regulation. But apparently, some editors "need to reconsider their black humour thresholds at ANI." I was surprised not to get blocked myself. What next - WP:NOTTHESAMARITANS, I guess. Pleased to see that someone at least left a message. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-24T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T07:41:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T08:38:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T07:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Martin,

I have just been over to have a look.

You are awful –

or, is it I, who is filled with awe?

When I read your "block", I was sorely tempted to add "where's the axe?"

Then I clicked on the link.

Anyway, I love this:

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 08:38, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-24T08:38:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T08:38:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T07:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T12:01:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T08:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just tweaking the size of your wiki gallows here. We all know good editors can always re-grow the limbs that have been delicately torn off by dedicated admins. Wheresas true vandals can't, apparently. But where's our hangman broomstick? After all, the only good witch is a drowned one (?) The Venn diagram of ANI/ mental health/ humour shows a very small area of intereection indeed, it seems. Being blocked isn't a very pleasant experience and it's a shame that Wikipedia soemtimes appears to be such a punitive two-tier organisaction. Let's hope our anon Spanish editor was just a vandal. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:01, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-24T12:01:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T12:01:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T08:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T14:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T12:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I hope so too. I realise only now that I had taken it entirely the opposite way to you. Did you notice that Delta Quad has since modified his entry by removing his link to WP:ROPE)

I like the organisaction, but not too certain about the intereection ... I corrected my appalling English, BTW

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 14:03, 24 April 2012 (UTC)→[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-24T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T14:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T12:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T15:10:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T14:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, DQ is obviously a genuinely concerned and careful editor. I think his was a slip. Mine was quite deliberate, but misintrepreted. My concern was for the anon Spanish editor, not for the politically-correct established ANI reader. Thumperward is right about thresholds, I guess, but he too seems to think I was being deliberately callous towards the Spanish anon, and not just trying to poke fun at wikipedia. One's frame of reference can certainly influence one's interpretation. I had tried to suggest in my edit summary that a "softly-softly" approach might be better. Then again, I thought, that poor editor might have been on tip-toes himself, balanced on his wobbly wiki block. Maybe something (or a lot) has been lost in translation here. Some folk will post all sorts of strange thinks on the net just to see what the reaction will be (apparently). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 24 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-24T15:10:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-24T15:10:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-24T14:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

See his Talk page; it's always better to have edit conversations on the article Talk page, so others can participate. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 11:52, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-29T11:52:00.000Z","author":"DavidWBrooks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DavidWBrooks-2012-04-29T11:52:00.000Z-Tommy_Cooper","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-04-29T12:34:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2012-04-29T11:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Have replied there, thanks. "Darn these hooves! I hit the wrong switch again! Who designs these instrument panels, raccoons?" [13] Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-29T12:34:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-04-29T12:34:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2012-04-29T11:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

BTW, did I ever tell you that my first dog, my eighth birthday present, was a Pembrokeshire Corgi – just like Her Majesty's ...

Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:14, 29 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-04-29T17:14:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-29T17:14:00.000Z-I_think_it_was_you_..._\"Her_Majesty's_Pembrokeshire_corgis\"_..?","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T18:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-29T17:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Gareth. I think you must be confusing me with another well-known Welshman! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-01T18:43:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T18:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-04-29T17:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T21:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T18:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Take a visit to my page! Have a look at Buon compleanno -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:42, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-01T21:42:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T21:42:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T18:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T21:49:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T21:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Arh bless! That Betty gets everywhere. If only she could keep that bull terrier of a daughter under control: [14]! But Happy Birthdsy - I hope not yet a telegram-from-Betty occasion! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:49, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-01T21:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T21:49:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T21:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T23:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T21:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Did you go to the sender's page – in Tasmania? You can understand how baffled I am. I thought I had worked out the first (Beatles) only to learn I that I hadn't. Then, I came to the conclusion the second was you, wrongly. I am baffled. Telegram? ... give it another thirty -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 23:17, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-01T23:17:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T23:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T21:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T23:19:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T23:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

All very confusing! I'll take a look down under. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-01T23:19:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-01T23:19:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-01T23:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Martinevans123. You have new messages at Mrjohncummings's talk page.
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I once drew a picture of an invented "electric cello" as part of the front cover of a school musical project, but the teacher wasn't very impressed with my flight of fancy - he described the cover as "infantile". But then, I did portray the cello being played by several anthropomorphic "wild marrows"..... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:08, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z-Electric_strings","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z","c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T05:38:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

We all know about The Comedy of Marrows. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:30:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z","c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T22:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, very good! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T21:30:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:30:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:52:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Argh, you and your French corner plants!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:52, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T21:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:52:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You're not pla-yeeng weeth wurrds are you, Monsieur Evans? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:06, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T22:06:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T22:06:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T21:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T22:19:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T22:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I weel say zees ahnlee warnce. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-07T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-07T22:19:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T22:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Are you serious when you state "No more Throw Away humour", or is that part of the joke? It isn't clear. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 05:38, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-08T05:38:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T05:38:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-07T21:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:22:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T05:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

ROFL. I'll try and find a reliable sauce. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-08T07:22:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:22:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T05:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T07:43:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

That doesn't make anything clearer. I suspect you're pissed off for some reason, but being evasive (or cryptic?) doesn't convey what that might be. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-08T07:43:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T07:43:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:49:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T07:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for your concern PCW. But no more pissed off than usual, haha! And I tend to use this Talk Page for being as cryptic and unclear as possible. It's my little refuge from reliable sources and notability. How is sunny Dorset? My word you were up early (or was that very late?) Martinevans123 (talk) 07:49, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-08T07:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-08T07:49:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-08T07:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Sorry for the delay but I have now replied to your query at Talk:Church of Saint Senara, Zennor. (I often do not take a second look at pages edited until some days have passed.)--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 10:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T10:58:00.000Z","author":"Felix Folio Secundus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Felix_Folio_Secundus-2012-05-10T10:58:00.000Z-Church_of_Saint_Senara,_Zennor","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T11:18:00.000Z-Felix_Folio_Secundus-2012-05-10T10:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks Felix. I thought you'd probably reply before the secession of Cornwall had been fully achieved. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T11:18:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T11:18:00.000Z-Felix_Folio_Secundus-2012-05-10T10:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I probably shouldn't laugh, but this page amused me this morning. Maybe the photo doesn't convey its special qualities very well.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:48, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T21:48:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T21:48:00.000Z-Historic_architecture","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T21:55:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T21:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha. Maybe you missed the whole Peter Vardy Grade II listed church RFD fiasco. Architectural heritage means very different things to different people in different places. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T21:55:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T21:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T22:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T21:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, you're right - and appearance doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it either. Often buildings are listed for being 'good examples' of their type, which can be controversial (eg Park Hill). But that American pic does remind me of certain bits of 1970s UK suburbia - obviously over the pond they were 70 years ahead of us! PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:29, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T22:29:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T22:29:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T21:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T22:42:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T22:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha. True. 70 years ahead - real progress, I'm sure. We also have some architectural icons to cherish. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 10 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T22:42:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T22:42:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-10T22:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-11T07:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T22:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Your last edit summary reminds me of a tale concerning T. S. Eliot, who once got into a cab to find that the cabbie knew who he was. When asked how he knew he replied, "Ah, I've got an eye for a celebrity. Only the other evening I picked up Bertrand Russell, and I said to him: 'Well Lord Russell, what's it all about?, and do you know, he couldn't tell me.'" Kenny Williams (more circularity) loved recounting this, making it juicier by changing the last line to, 'Do you know, the twit couldn't tell me?' (from The Kenneth Williams Diaries, p665) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 07:01, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-11T07:01:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-11T07:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-10T22:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-11T07:26:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-11T07:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hahahaha, that is just so funny. You never get a decent tip out of those logical positivists, I reckon. But they'll often treat you to nice cuppa Rosie Lee. (A bit like the infamously frugal Tommy Cooper who would always pay the exact cab fare but then slip something into the cabbie's top pocket with the words "have a drink on me" - later discovered to be a teabag). Martinevans123 (talk) 07:26, 11 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-11T07:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-11T07:26:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-05-11T07:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Want to collaborate with this? More info on the landmarks at here and here. Will add more tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:36, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-12T21:36:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-05-12T21:36:00.000Z-St_Athan","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-12T21:41:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-05-12T21:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Goodness me, Blowers, this is hardly one of your Holiday Inns in Kazakstan one-liners, is it?! It looks huge already! I'll try and have a look tomorrow. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-12T21:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-12T21:41:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-05-12T21:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T00:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-12T21:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello Doctor,

Thank you for asking me to be involved. I shall certainly try to help as I do know St Athan. Actually this Castleton is in the Vale of Glamorgan. MyCastleton is in what I still call Monmouthshire. But, no matter. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:01, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T00:01:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-12T21:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T08:26:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T00:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hang on ... I'm not even a doctor!! And with all these Castletons, we might even forget about this place! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:26, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T08:26:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T00:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T09:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T08:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Mmm ... does this place have any connection with the good and chaste people living in The Cotswolds, do you think? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 09:13, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T09:13:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T09:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T08:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:41:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T09:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

This blog-site [15] (which has a very nice collection of copy-vio NT images) says this: "The name Chastleton is Saxon in origin, and the last bit is easy as tun means town, or habitation enclosed by a fence. The second bit probably means a heap of stones or cairn from the Saxon word ceastel. It's really near to the Rollright Stones ..". Martinevans123 (talk) 09:41, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T09:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:41:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T09:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:53:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ties in with this,, slightly more reliable, source [16], which says: "The recorded history of Chastleton manor dates back to 777AD, when Offa, King of Mercia, made a gift of land at Chastleton to the Benedictine abbey of Eynsham in Worcestershire. The name Chastleton is Saxon in origin, the prefix possibly deriving from the Saxon word ceastel, which may refer to a cairn or boundary marker.

The suffix ‘ton’ derives from tun or town. The village appears in the Domesday Book of 1086 as ‘Cestitone’, when the landowners included Odo, Bishop of Bayeux, Winchcombe Abbey, Henry de Ferrers and Urse D’Abitot. During the Middle Ages, Chastleton was owned and administered by, amongst others, Robert d’Oily (the probable builder of Oxford Castle) and Thomas Chaucer (son of the poet).". Martinevans123 (talk) 09:53, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T09:53:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:53:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T10:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

It has quite a history. First century AD ... this is the wonder of WP -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 10:34, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T10:34:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-13T10:34:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-13T09:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, you were looking for other editors who may have views on this controversy. Can I suggest User:Snowded, User:Bettia, User:FruitMonkey, User:Velella, User:Deb and User:Seth Whales? All are long-standing, highly-reputable editors who've been active on Wikiproject Wales. They won't necessarily support my views but they would offer rational opinion.--Pondle (talk) 23:21, 14 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-14T23:21:00.000Z","author":"Pondle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pondle-2012-05-14T23:21:00.000Z-Newport,_Cardiff_and_London","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-15T07:23:00.000Z-Pondle-2012-05-14T23:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks. I have now passed on the message to all of them too. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:23, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-15T07:23:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-15T07:23:00.000Z-Pondle-2012-05-14T23:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ghmyrtle-2012-05-15T08:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-15T07:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've flagged up the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements. It's not necessarily a Wales-only issue, though obviously some editors of Wales articles might have particular interests on the matter. Ghmyrtle (talk) 08:25, 15 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-15T08:25:00.000Z","author":"Ghmyrtle","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ghmyrtle-2012-05-15T08:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-05-15T07:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I heard about this item [17] today and thought it was just too funny for words. "I knew that there was a reason that I paid attention in geography class."

The stadium announcer was 'on the ball' ... -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-18T16:43:00.000Z-You_might_get_a_kick_out_of_this_..._helps_to_prove_that_reading_is_FUN-damental","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-18T19:56:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-18T16:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, yes, I heard about it a few days ago. Just wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:56, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-18T19:56:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-05-18T16:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well, the only reason he was in the unusual deaths was the supposition that he shot hmself in front of the judge/jury and died instantly - shooting yourself accidentally with a gun while demonstrating something isn't that unusual, especially since the main article also makes it sound like he died some time later. But you're right, there's no check-able source for either variant, and if he did shoot himself in the courtroom then it would certainly belong. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC).[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-24T21:32:00.000Z","author":"DavidWBrooks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DavidWBrooks-2012-05-24T21:32:00.000Z-Clement_Vallandigham","replies":[]}}-->

This source ([[18]]) says "While preparing the defense of an accused murderer, Vallandigham enacted his view of what occurred at the crime scene. Thinking that a pistol that he was using as a prop was unloaded, Vallandigham pointed it at himself and pulled the trigger. The gun discharged, and Vallandigham was mortally wounded. This one [19] says "In a Lebanon, Ohio, hotel, 16 June 1871, a gun went off while he was demonstrating to other attorneys how a defendant's supposed victim may have accidentally shot himself. He died there the following day." Brittanica [20] is vague. I would say these descriptions of his death make him a borderline for includsion in this (very subjective) untimely death article. - DavidWBrooks (talk) 21:36, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-24T21:36:00.000Z","author":"DavidWBrooks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DavidWBrooks-2012-05-24T21:36:00.000Z-Clement_Vallandigham","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-24T21:50:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2012-05-24T21:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Many thanks for the swift reply, David. Some excellent sources there. I'd argue that having a complete article already makes him notable and this tips the balance in his favour for inclusion. I'm not sure where QI got it's duff gen, but that BBC mention in itself seems to add some weight to its notability (validation nothwithstanding). In fact, I clearly remember watching that episode of QI, and I expect that it will soon be repeated, ad infinitum, on Dave. But of course I can't remember the exact wording. I suspect any error is far more likely to have been caused by some ad-lib embroidery/ tongue slipping from quizmaster Mr. Fry! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:50, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-24T21:50:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-24T21:50:00.000Z-DavidWBrooks-2012-05-24T21:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

On 30 May 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article St Athan, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that at St Athan, a wild fig tree grew out of the cement of the East Orchard chapel walls? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/St Athan.You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

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Your recent addition to the music section doesn't quite make sense. Are there particular poems by Patchen that you're referring to? If so, I would list the poems specifically.Jpcohen (talk) 00:56, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-31T00:56:00.000Z","author":"Jpcohen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jpcohen-2012-05-31T00:56:00.000Z-Patchen_music_adaptation","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-05-31T07:30:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-05-31T00:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think the word "the" should have been "a". But your re-write is perfectly fine. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:30, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-31T07:30:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-05-31T07:30:00.000Z-Jpcohen-2012-05-31T00:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

HI with your reference to ittle jewsess princess I thought you would get the cryptic? message "with a brand new nose, who knows where it goes" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yDarQW7UZc Im new to wiki I cannot even write a message without editing a page :( take care btw those questions were great

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Haha, yes I did get it, eventually. So I added a lyric reference at your Talk Page! If you want to post a message - just start a new Section. Many editors would have a fit if some unknown new editor added a comment to their User Page without permission (especially those editors who are "cantankerous old crows without any sense of humour". But as a fellow FZ fan - you're very welcome! haha

(Discussion moved from Tin tabernacles) Yes that's the one — more info here, and map + grid reference on here. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 11:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T11:29:00.000Z","author":"Peter I. Vardy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T11:29:00.000Z-Old_St_John_the_Baptist's_Church,_Pilling","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:00:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T11:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Peter. Have just returned from a very fruitful trip to Pilling, where we managed to obtain a key and take lots of pictures. There was also a short guide booklet available for a donation of £3, and some fact-sheets printed up by the CCT. It's quite fascinating. The keyholder was also able to give us a short history - it is in fact the third Anglican church in the village. That gentleman's father was in fact responsible, as church-warden, for handing the church over to the CCT. Anyway, I'm wondering if you'd like to see any or all of the 40 pictures I have taken? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T16:00:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:00:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T11:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T16:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, sounds like enjoyed your outing. What I want (need) is a good picture of the exterior of the church in the article and the list. Beyond that, it's up to you. As a suggestion, why not upload the best photos to Commons (make them free-use of course), and they will be available for the world to see and use (if you're happy with that), and I can see them there. Let me know when/if you've done that. Cheers. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:31, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T16:31:00.000Z","author":"Peter I. Vardy","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T16:31:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:52:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T16:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I usually upload to Commons, as it's much quicker for a batch of multiple images. And I do try to select the best single example of any particular feature. It's just that there are lots of unique features in this church! I'll probably end up posting a dozen or so on the article talk page, but I am wary of taking up too much space. I might even try and add to the article using the booklet as a ref... but paying particular attention to Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing and being extremely careful not to ever unwittingly breach copyright (just in case someone decides to not revert within a few hours). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:52, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T16:52:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:52:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T16:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:45:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

The talk page is not the best place for the pics. I suggest that you upload them to Commons, make a Category to contain them, then make a link on the article page using {{commons category|Old St John the Baptist's Church, Pilling}} in an External links section. There can be no breach of copyright if you make them free use. If you get stuck, I'll try to help. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:45, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Peter I. Vardy","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:45:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T16:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:54:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've added the "full frontal" photo to the article and the list. It looks great. Many thanks, --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 19:54, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T19:54:00.000Z","author":"Peter I. Vardy","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:54:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T22:05:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

You can't beat a bit of full frontal, I always say. I'll try and do as you suggest. The three uploaded so far are still uncategorised, so advice on any other categories to use at Commons would be much appreciated. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:05, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-04T22:05:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T22:05:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-04T19:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-05T16:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Excellent set of photos; many thanks. --Peter I. Vardy (talk) 16:21, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-05T16:21:00.000Z","author":"Peter I. Vardy","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-05T16:21:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-04T22:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-05T20:50:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-05T16:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, I have been very selective. I was disappointed with the photos of the 1719 boards bearing the Ten Commandments and the Creed and Lords Prayer. They would have benefited from a flash, or a duller day or (obviously) a much better camera than my pocket FinePix J12. I'm hoping to expand the article and perhaps that might warrant the inclusion of one or two of the interior images. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-05T20:50:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-05T20:50:00.000Z-Peter_I._Vardy-2012-06-05T16:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The very knowleagable guides will tell you that the screen is made of bog oak. It also has a carving of a six-fingered hand, reputed to represent Anne Boleyn. Plucas58 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-10T20:48:00.000Z","author":"Plucas58","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plucas58-2012-06-10T20:48:00.000Z-Rufford_Hall","replies":[]}}-->

No, I don't Plucas58 (talk) 22:45, 10 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-10T22:45:00.000Z","author":"Plucas58","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plucas58-2012-06-10T22:45:00.000Z-Rufford_Hall","replies":[]}}-->

Wasn't my intention to delete your post not sure how it even happened, I got an edit conflict and just re saved. Mo ainm~Talk 20:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T20:25:00.000Z","author":"Mo ainm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T20:25:00.000Z-Apologies","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T20:51:00.000Z-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T20:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Apology accepted. No worries. It just didn't look very good. I'm sorry you and Varlaam have disagreed. Londonderry/Derry is problematic for many. I just don't see that the mini-dispute, or Varlaam's comments, is representative of such an industrous editor, nor deserving of such punitive measures. A 60-hour general block may be perfectly suitable from your point of view. But, in the longer term, will it be as productive as trying to encourage a dialogue? Skinner had a point. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T20:51:00.000Z-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T20:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T21:09:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T20:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

The block is not my doing, that's down to the admin, I was attempting dialogue on the talk page but he choose to be pedantic about spelling and to issue personal attacks and to revert after I warned him about 3 RR. Mo ainm~Talk 21:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Mo ainm","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T21:09:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T20:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T21:21:00.000Z-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T21:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

Quite so, obviously not your doing. It looks like a rather hasty one-sided solution that neither party may necessarily have wanted. You appear to have been wholly civil. And you were quite right to warn. I'm sure that Admin, who almost shares a name with another leading behaviourst, has his reasons - even if he can't (or apparently just won't bother to) count. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-12T21:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-12T21:21:00.000Z-Mo_ainm-2012-06-12T21:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Do I understand correctly that you agree the new section on photography is advertisement but because it is useful it belongs in an encyclopedia? As I said on the talk page I reject this notion and additionally offered that the copyright question needs to be addressed. Your suggestion of a note on all National Trust properties seems excessive, however, if such a note were to be placed anywhere it should only be placed on the organisation's article if it is a common and legal policy.

I think courtesy if not protocol would of had you discuss this issue before RVing a RV. Saffron Blaze (talk) 21:18, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Saffron Blaze","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-13T21:18:00.000Z-Tewkesbury_Abbey","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-13T21:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sincere apologies for not opening a discussion thread for my partial revert of your own. I certainly think that a whole new section, advertising guided tours and photographic policy, has no place in that article. But I think a note regarding the Abbey's poilcy on photography would certainly be useful, if only as a footnote. If you think this is contentious, I'd be pleased to contribute to a discussion at the Talk Page.

Regarding my edit summary suggestion, you are quite right, the National Trust article might be much better and easier. It certainly is a "common and legal policy" that most of Wikipedia seems very keen to disregard. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-13T21:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T22:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z","c-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-14T00:12:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Um, how does one leave a Talkback template on your "Talk Page"? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-13T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T22:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks, I'll check on the legal issue. As a photgrapher I find this practice quite irritating... pay for pics but you don't get full rights. If it is legal no pictures of inside the Abbey would be permitted on Wikipedi/Commons because you would not be able to licence freely. Saffron Blaze (talk) 00:12, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-14T00:12:00.000Z","author":"Saffron Blaze","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-14T00:12:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-06-13T21:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-14T07:41:00.000Z-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-14T00:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, and the NT policy is very irritating. But then it is a commercial organisation, like any other, I suppose. An exchange of emails a couple of year ago confirmed that images may be taken of NT property only from a standpoint on publicly-accessed land. They also told me they were "in dispute" with Wikipeida over the use of certain images. I can't imagine that their policy has changed since then. They did tell me, however, that they would not pursue the removal of any images that I personally had already loaded to Wikipeida, provided that I undertook not to load any more. I do wish some more useful compromise could be reached.

I suspect that those who read articles on NT properties here, with the intention of visiting, often never also read the NT article itself, and thus remain unaware of their photography policy. See this POTD, for example: [Gawthorpe_Hall#File:Gawthorpe new.jpg to appear as POTD soon] Martinevans123 (talk) 07:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-14T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-14T07:41:00.000Z-Saffron_Blaze-2012-06-14T00:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello old boy! Yes, I'm afraid unless it's an "official" type of channel we can't link to it - dashed shame. A brief bit of research suggests if the uploader is correct this dates from 1980-83 from the ITV Madhouse era. And yes it is that perky chap Les Dennis on the end - he worked with Russ early in his career. There's another one at [21] if you're interested! Cheers! Quintessential British Gentleman (talk) 22:25, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-16T22:25:00.000Z","author":"Quintessential British Gentleman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quintessential_British_Gentleman-2012-06-16T22:25:00.000Z-The_Spanners","replies":[]}}-->

I was wondering if you or you know anybody who'd be interested in such a project. One of my chief loves is British country houses and I don't at present see a project set up to help coordinate it and to collaborate over. If interested let me know and I'll consider making a proposal.♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:53, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T12:53:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-06-19T12:53:00.000Z-WikiProject_Country_Houses","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-19T13:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-06-19T12:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I'd be quite interested, thanks... if only to try and get a more satisfactory situation between Wikipedia and the National Trust regarding the use in articles of personal photographs! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:11, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-19T13:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-19T13:11:00.000Z-Dr._Blofeld-2012-06-19T12:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You're a godsend. Tonight, the article, wikipedia, and even Burges are driving me to the very, very end of my tether!!!!!! KJP1 (talk) 21:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-20T21:29:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-06-20T21:29:00.000Z-Zodiac_Settle","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-20T21:31:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-06-20T21:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry it's such a tiny contribution. It's been a mammoth effort on your part. Am in awe. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-20T21:31:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-20T21:31:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-06-20T21:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Actually, I think the Geograph view is of the other, north, side of the court to the current photo, which is the less impressive, non-Vuillamy side. That said, and despite the fact it's a bit gloomy, it's certainly arguable that it's a better picture of the house than my absurdly distant view, which really only shows anything if much magnified. So replace away if you think on balance it's better.

Thanks for your very kind comments re. Burges. It was a struggle, particularly in the latter stages, but I am very pleased with the result. KJP1 (talk) 15:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T15:42:00.000Z","author":"KJP1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KJP1-2012-06-22T15:42:00.000Z-Dingestow_Court","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-22T16:18:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-06-22T15:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah, I see, thanks. No worries. You could replace your current image with a cropped down version, so that you get rid of some of those molehills and see the house a litle clearer. Or I can try that if you like. There might even be room for two images, as they are from different viewpoints. p.s. that Charles Spencer Ricketts tomb is quite something! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 22 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-22T16:18:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-22T16:18:00.000Z-KJP1-2012-06-22T15:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

1. Petition to Boycott Celebrity Performers in Illegally Occupied Cyprus gopetition Wiki-blocked URL (petition number 38294)

2. In the press the illegal state is boasting… http://www.kktcenf.org/en/index.asp?sayfa=haberdetay&newsid=1731

3. Issue on the Cyprus Forum http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus38265.html

4. Complaints on performer’s Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tom-Jones/26581360771

5. Debate on Topix http://www.topix.com/forum/world/cyprus/TKADG7R40GNVLLSD6/p2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.153.47.105 (talk) 22:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-27T22:29:00.000Z","author":"31.153.47.105","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-31.153.47.105-2012-06-27T22:29:00.000Z-Evidence_of_controversy_over_Tom_Jones\u2019_visit_to_the_\u201cTRNC\u201d:","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-27T22:51:00.000Z-31.153.47.105-2012-06-27T22:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for replying. As I said, if you wish to make this argument for controversy on the Talk Page for the Tom Jones (singer) article, you will need to make a user account (very quick and easy). But responding very briefly to each point of your "evidence" above:

1. We can't really see what is contained in a "Wiki-blocked URL". And so it can't be used in any article.

2. That is a factual news report that confirms that the event took place, but not that it was notable.

3. Wikipedia cannot use the content of forums or chat-sites as WP:RS.

4. Wikipedia typically does not take the content of any Facebook page as evidence of notability. In fact, Facebook in itself, is rarely used as a reliable source for anything.

5. Wikipedia cannot use the content of forums or chat-sites as WP:RS.

If you can provide any other sources, from reputable internationally recognised news agencies or news publications, you may be able to convince other editors that this event was indeed notable, or even "controversial". But, on the strength of your current suggestions, it is very unlikely that an addition to the article would be justified. How rare an event is this? Does the "Petition" you mention have any legal status? If so, where? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 27 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-27T22:51:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-27T22:51:00.000Z-31.153.47.105-2012-06-27T22:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just to let you know, regarding your citation for the ASDA advert with her. While it might not be conclusive it was her last appearance, it will be a very welcome addition on another article (namely the ASDA one) where a source for her being in the advert was missing. So it is a conclusive source for something. Thanks! MrZoolook (talk) 04:58, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-30T04:58:00.000Z","author":"MrZoolook","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MrZoolook-2012-06-30T04:58:00.000Z-Hattie_Jacques_ASDA_advert","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-06-30T08:20:00.000Z-MrZoolook-2012-06-30T04:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think The Guardian article already linked at ASDA seems fine already for HJ, but it just lacks a year. I'll add the TV Adverts ssource that I found, if you like, since it clearly gives the year as 1980. It's not really a quality source - in fact it's really just a sneaky way of getting in a link to that YouTube clip! But some of the other ASDA celebrities mentioned might well also feature at that site. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:20, 30 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-30T08:20:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-06-30T08:20:00.000Z-MrZoolook-2012-06-30T04:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I give up. The article is incredibly wordy and over-detailed, but I don't feel like fighting you. I'd have to open up topics on the Talk page to discuss the content issues with you, and it's simply not worth it. In parting - and I know you've been very civil, so I'm not complaining about that - you might reconsider what is really needed in the article and what is not and think about making the article more concise. Your last restoration is, bluntly, plain silly (I don't think I'm as nice as you ), as is your basis (in your edit summary) for doing so. Good luck.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:04, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T23:04:00.000Z","author":"Bbb23","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bbb23-2012-07-01T23:04:00.000Z-Dylan_Thomas","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-01T23:18:00.000Z-Bbb23-2012-07-01T23:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have replied on your Talk Page. I'd like to know why both the restoration and my reason for it, that Brinnin might have been able to stop Thomas drinking himself to death and/or suffering a probable overdose of morphine, is "plain silly"? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-01T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-01T23:18:00.000Z-Bbb23-2012-07-01T23:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Wikipedia, sites that copy wiki, and some tourist material are the only sites that seem to refer to it as "Bec Abbey". It is generally referred to as "the Abbey of Notre-Dame du Bec" or the "Abbey of Notre Dame of Bec-Heloin".

Amandajm (talk) 07:11, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-02T07:11:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Amandajm-2012-07-02T07:11:00.000Z-Bec_Abbey","replies":["c-Amandajm-2012-07-02T13:12:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-07-02T07:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

I agree. How about you do it. I'm busy writing something and fussing around with pictures. Amandajm (talk) 13:12, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-02T13:12:00.000Z","author":"Amandajm","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Amandajm-2012-07-02T13:12:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-07-02T07:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-02T17:28:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-07-02T13:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Having never done a move, I'm not sure that I'd do it right. I think you are probably quite right, but I would have expected some kind of global decision, from Project French Monastries or some such, so that they all got done at once and in an agreed consistent way? Martinevans123 (talk) 17:28, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-02T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-02T17:28:00.000Z-Amandajm-2012-07-02T13:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your additions to the Thomas article. Quite a while ago an editor added a whack of detail when Fatal Neglect: Who Killed Dylan Thomas? came out proposing a new view of his death. I think it suggested a cover up etc etc. As I remember it, the ed was new, emphatic and excited. The additions did bugger about with the flow of text and I didn't go through it all to sorts through the refs and potential contradictions etc. The article hasn't been properly parsed for years, but the revised view of the death evidence introduced more of the confusion you are now ravelling. But It looks like you have it all under control. Lord preserve us from the overheated, very certain conspiracy theorist. Best wishes and happy editing. Span (talk) 20:38, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-02T20:38:00.000Z","author":"Spanglej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spanglej-2012-07-02T20:38:00.000Z-Dylan","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-02T20:55:00.000Z-Spanglej-2012-07-02T20:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Span"}}-->

Under control?! Far from it. I have taken little interest in Dylan here, thinking that Wales' modern-day Shakespeare was all done and dusted. Now I find that none of his books even have linked publishers, let alone ISBNs. Mercy me. Yes, David Thomas' 2008 Fatal Neglect is a very worthy re-appraisal of the useless folk-lore that Dylan "drank himself to death in America", and it deserves all the attention this small article can afford it. It does seem, from his work, that 1950s medical diagnosis and procedure was light years from where it is today. The bitterest irony is that it was Dylan's own bragging that may have led most significantly to the mis-diagnosis of alcohol poisoning that, in turn, led to his coma and death. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-02T20:55:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-02T20:55:00.000Z-Spanglej-2012-07-02T20:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your tidying up. I reverted a couple of your changes, but nothing serious. A fascinating historical backwater don't you think? Malleus Fatuorum 23:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z","author":"Malleus Fatuorum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z-Halifax_gibbet","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Malleus"}}-->

Please revert all you want. Yes, incredible. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the Home Counties whose blood runs cold at the thought of such an infernal "French" device. I am just amazed that it was (apparently) unique in England. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Even most of the infernal rides at Alton Towers cost less than the modern day equivalent of one-an-three-ha'pence! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Martin. Thanks for the help on the AF447 article.

On my history. About 10 years ago, I created Wikipedia username with my real name but after making about 5 edits, I became uncomfortable having my real name out there and since then I've edited on Wikipedia on and off almost exclusively under anon IPs. In total, I probably have about 10,000edits which is pretty light for that kind of time and I'm adept at HTML and various programming languages so I can contort wikipedia to do pretty much what I need it to do. I'm pretty busy with work so I disappear for months on end though.

Recently I've decided to create a pseudonym, Justanonymous, so that I can more easily watch pages, change edit preferences etc while still protecting my anonymity. I'm finding that with a formal pseudonym this place is more social than I thought.

I do subscribe to the be bold initiative and as a middle aged guy, I'm comfortable with myself so that comes out as assertive I guess. I do worry that many good editors have been driven away by small cabals of radical editors and that's concerning to me here and that we're in need of good prudent editors. We need to be welcoming of new editors and just because they're new, we should not assume that they don't know or that we have to hold their hands, hence my response to Socrates. From my vantage, a 1 edit editor might have a PHD in that field and that edit should be respected provided it falls within the Wikipedia standards.

As full disclosure, over the last 10 years, I have been blocked exactly one time for 3 days for violating a 3R rule. I take 50% of the fault for that but sometimes people refuse to come to the talk page. I respected the block and we were able to amicably resolve the dispute amicably between my nemesis' cabal and I.

That's about it for me. Cheers! Justanonymous (talk) 13:21, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-11T13:21:00.000Z","author":"Justanonymous","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Justanonymous-2012-07-11T13:21:00.000Z-Justanonymous_History","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:46:00.000Z-Justanonymous-2012-07-11T13:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oooo, you're the kind of newbie that makes so-called established editors like me feel quite inadequate. Yes, I know how it feels to become uncomfortable with one's real name - I ended up creating 8 new accounts to divide up my editing and pronptly got an indef block for my pains. Luckily a sensible fellow editor, and a sensible admin, came to my rescue. And I am now fully rehabilitated (well, almost). I think you must have given Socrates a bit of am bold shock! But you are obviously a useful editor to have around. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:46, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-11T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:46:00.000Z-Justanonymous-2012-07-11T13:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Might interest you.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:38, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T17:38:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-07-12T17:38:00.000Z-Shirenewton_Hall","replies":[]}}-->

"Not 'arf, pop-pickers!". Many thanks, 'Blowers. Although I was looking for something a little more "bijou". Martinevans123 (talk)

Thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:50, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T18:50:00.000Z","author":"Dr. Blofeld","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dr._Blofeld-2012-07-12T18:50:00.000Z-Shirenewton_Hall","replies":[]}}-->

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Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 20:17, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T20:17:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:17:00.000Z-New_e-mail_from_Gareth_Griffith-Jones","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oooo... how exciting! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:21:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are either in a good mood, or you are being sarcastic – I wonder which?

-- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 20:26, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:30:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:54:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, probably both! Well I have no idea who he is, although I have added a polite thank you on his Talk Page. Either he or his bot seem to have searched out all instances of that article link in order to repair them. But I was still a bit surprised to see my User Page being tweaked for me! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T20:30:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:30:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Have made a re-appraisal, at his Talk Page, haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T20:54:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:54:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T20:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T21:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I read it (eight minutes to ten) when I went there soon after (at nine minutes past ten) to read his/her reply to my posting earlier this evening. Excellent! He must wonder a bit now about the Welsh, don't you think? -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 21:44, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T21:44:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T21:44:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T20:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T21:54:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T21:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I had assumed that he was American, but it looks like he's (only) English. He must be a bit baffled by my reference to "UK TV pundit". Well maybe not. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:54, 12 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-12T21:54:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T21:54:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-12T21:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T17:18:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T21:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

I like him; very thorough and patient; one of the good guys round here.

Enjoyed reading your final posting on his page! Cheerio! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-15T17:18:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T17:18:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-12T21:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-15T17:37:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T17:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes. he seems a very good sort. Might not be that final! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-15T17:37:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-15T17:37:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T17:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T18:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-15T17:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

True. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-15T18:52:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-15T18:52:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-15T17:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just been enjoying your contributions here -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 16:34, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-16T16:34:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-16T16:34:00.000Z-New_e-mail_from_Gareth_Griffith-Jones","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-16T17:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-16T16:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

He seems to have got himself into a bit of bother, doesn't he. Three months. Oh dear. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-16T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-16T17:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-16T16:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-17T00:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-16T17:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

I, for what it is worth, consider him a decent fellow. Certainly an amusing and entertaining character, don't you think? At that time I am referring to above (about a month ago) you seemed to be his only supporter. I wondered whether you had noticed his posting on my page on July 5 -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 00:03, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-17T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-17T00:03:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-16T17:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T22:40:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-17T00:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I tend to agree with you. A month ago he seemed to be getting a bit of a raw deal. I think a three month block would almost certainly finish me off here, but I think he is happy to contribute at other language variant wikis. Any editor with that linguistic range ought to be nurtured, if not indulged slightly. But some editors (and admins) seem to have a very low threshold when it comes to "aggravation" (or what used to be called, in my youth, "a bit of bovver"). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:40, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-19T22:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T22:40:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-17T00:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-19T22:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T22:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Mmmm ... where have you been? You usually respond so promptly ... Ha ha ... I sometimes wonder why anyone would want to be an admin' and just what is the average age. Quite young, I would say. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 22:57, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-19T22:57:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-19T22:57:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T22:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T23:04:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-19T22:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have been busy with DMT amongst other things, and no, not the drug, the poet. Also with the passing of a heavy metal legend (I wish there was a simple "lege" tag that could be added to some articles!) I'm sure some of the really grumpy editors are made even more grumpy by being bossed around my admins half their age. But, of course we'll never know average age. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-19T23:04:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-19T23:04:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-19T22:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, this is a Wikipedian in Italian, if I am a fan of Air France 447. I see that has integrated the voice of the Air France flight 447, if you want to further improve the voice, I recommend you to use our voice in Italian Wikipedia has a good article (http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volo_Air_France_447) and translate it into English. Appreciating the fact that even in the English Wikipedia has a good article on this topic. Good job, my best wishes. 79.54.118.94 (talk) 09:56, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T09:56:00.000Z","author":"79.54.118.94","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-79.54.118.94-2012-07-13T09:56:00.000Z-Air_France_Flight_447","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-13T12:16:00.000Z-79.54.118.94-2012-07-13T09:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for your suggestion. I will add a note on the Talk Page there, although I fear that it may be a little too problematic to use a translation from French into Italian and then into English. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:16, 13 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-13T12:16:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-13T12:16:00.000Z-79.54.118.94-2012-07-13T09:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Further to my last reply, I have been testing a hypothesis to try to prove or disprove a firm connection between "Cnapan" and "Campan".

Potted history.

Rugby Union football, Rugby league football, Association football, Gaelic football, Australian Rules football, American football and Canadian football all evolved from a medieval ball game called "Football". In a similar way, I believe Campball, Football, Cnapan, Cornish Hurling, La Soule and similar medieval ball games evolved from a much earlier common ball game. I suspect that game was either the Roman ball game Harpastum or a ball game of Celtic/Nordic/Other origin.

Testing the hypothesis

I have been looking for evidence which links medieval football type games together. The English-Latindictionary, Promptorium Parvulorum, dated 1440 makes a direct connection between Campball and Football. Definition: "Campan, or playar at foott balle". Campan was an early spelling of Campball. With Cnapan, Cornish Hurling and La Soule there is historical evidence connecting the peoples groups who played these games. The close similarities with the spellings "Campan" and "Cnapan" made me wonder if these were versions of the same word. If so I would be able to make a connection between Cnapan and early Football through Campan. Also the word "Camp" is an early old English borrowed word from Latin providing a Roman connection.

Etymology does not support this idea. Camp is an old English word for battle field; therefore, Campball essentially means to do battle with a ball. Cnapan is old Welsh for carved wooden ball. An original word could have different meanings in the two languages. The Welsh are historically descended from Romano-Britons allowing centauries for the written word "Campan" to become "Cnapan" through spelling variations in literature. So far I have been unable to find any evidence to support this theory. If such evidence could be found it would create a documented link between a medieval ball game called "football" and "Cnapan" which, according to George Owen of Henllys (1552-1613), was played by the Ancient Britons. My next question would then be what was the origin of this game?

Yours, Adrian Roebuck, (July 2012) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adrian Roebuck (talk • contribs) 13:35, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-17T13:35:00.000Z","author":"Adrian Roebuck","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adrian_Roebuck-2012-07-17T13:35:00.000Z-Reply_to_Martinevans123","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-17T13:50:00.000Z-Adrian_Roebuck-2012-07-17T13:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

How fascinating. In modern Welsh "cnap" (plural "cnapiau") means - boss, pommel, knob, node, puck, etc. [22] Martinevans123 (talk) 13:50, 17 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-17T13:50:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-17T13:50:00.000Z-Adrian_Roebuck-2012-07-17T13:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Simply because I do not know how to do the coding for Musicians. For one reason or another the code doesn't work in the infobox. And yes I do intend to change it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alssa1 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T15:57:00.000Z","author":"Alssa1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alssa1-2012-07-20T15:57:00.000Z-British_or_Welsh?","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T16:05:00.000Z-Alssa1-2012-07-20T15:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

But you seem to have taken on quite a task to "re-educate" most other editors, and the people of Wales en masse, there. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T16:05:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T16:05:00.000Z-Alssa1-2012-07-20T15:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There should be no problem, Nationality is about citizenship not about personal feelings of belonging. In a country like the Russian Federation there are numerous different ethnicities, each with their own federative "republic" but they are still Russian. If you are Welsh, you have Welsh ethnicity, because you are ethnically Welsh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alssa1 (talk • contribs) 18:32, 21 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-21T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Alssa1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alssa1-2012-07-21T18:32:00.000Z-British_or_Welsh?","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-22T00:13:00.000Z-Alssa1-2012-07-21T18:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is no problem, thanks. I have a UK passport. But I have dual nationality - the nation of Britain and the nation of Wales. Try and tell a few English editors that they are not English, but only British. I would be interested to see their reaction. But if you try changing a few hundred wikipedia articles to match, I suspect you might find a few difficulties. Martinevans123 (talk)

Haha, yes, I share your assessment. A nice bit of litotes there, Mr Evans.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 00:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T00:13:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-22T00:13:00.000Z-Alssa1-2012-07-21T18:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Martinevans123^{Santas Grotto} wishes you and yours

"Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda"

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May the true spirit of Christmas bless you with warmth and peace ....

And here's a link to an old Medieval plainsong carol I have found which kind of sums up what Christmas should really be all about: [23]. Amen.

Thanks for your tidying up. I reverted a couple of your changes, but nothing serious. A fascinating historical backwater don't you think? Malleus Fatuorum 23:44, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z","author":"Malleus Fatuorum","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z-Halifax_gibbet_2","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z-1"],"displayName":"Malleus"}}-->

Please revert all you want. Yes, incredible. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the Home Counties whose blood runs cold at the thought of such an infernal "French" device. I am just amazed that it was (apparently) unique in England. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:56, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-Malleus_Fatuorum-2012-07-05T23:44:00.000Z-1","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-1"]}}-->

Even most of the infernal rides at Alton Towers cost less than the modern day equivalent of one-an-three-ha'pence! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-11T13:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-05T23:56:00.000Z-1","replies":[]}}-->

Hi ME123; just looking for an opinion. Do you think I need to haul back a bit on the use of footnotes to lead further information to the text of the Thomas article. This is one of the 'heavier' articles I have contributed to, as I don't normally delve into the world of the arts. Overkill? or justifiable? Any pointers will be appreciated. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z-Dylan_Thomas_2","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T19:49:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-27T15:59:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-07-27T16:24:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi there 'Monk. I am greatly flattered that you should even ask me at all. I'm generally only ever tinkering around and trying to sneak in what most others consider trivia. All looks fine to me. But I am a self-confessed inclusionist and I'd rather see a little too much than just a bit too little! At least if it's there it can be trimmed if required. I see that Arthur Machen has none, while W. H. Davies has only a few, but combined with refs. W. H. Auden has quite a lot, but again all combined with refs. I think generally too little use is made of footnotes and I am glad to see them. But then a recent excellent article, which went for GA review, William Burges, has none. So I'm not sure. Maybe Dr Blofeld could advise us. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:49, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T19:49:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T19:49:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T21:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T19:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, I too prefer a little too much then missing what others may feel to be an important point. I've only started using the footnotes recently and find them an important little tool. I'll keep them up until I get shouted at. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:14, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T21:14:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T21:14:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T19:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Lead photo, now I have more books, it appears that the image is from 1937, around the time of his marriage to Caitlin. I am more then happy to see it replaced by a better shot (are you thinking of the one from the series where he is lighting a cigarette? Great pic). I use the same rationale each time for dead artists, and that is unless there is a free shot (there are at the Library of Congress but they have refused to upload more detailed images) we can use one image as it is now impossible to take a snap of him anymore. Then again we may be able to use more images of the author comparing his younger self and the state he got himself into to show the effect of his drinking. That's something that would be difficult to explain in words, but if we did that we may not be able to then use an image in the infobox. I did something similar with Barry John, I could only use the image of him (as he's still alive), pertaining to his kicking style, and that got through GA.FruitMonkey (talk) 15:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-27T15:59:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-27T15:59:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, lighiting the cigarette is indeed better. The images at these sites are particularly good, I think: [24], [25] and [26]. I don't think the Library of Congress ones are much good at all. So does the info from the book enable us to add a date or location? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 27 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-27T16:24:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-27T16:24:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-20T19:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-27T16:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

It doesn't matter how good the LoC images are, if they are usable (which presently they are not) we would be forced to use them. I see you prefer images of the latter Thomas. Tell me which image you prefer, and I'll replace it. FruitMonkey (talk) 00:02, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-27T16:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T08:57:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z","c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T15:28:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's lucky then. I think the first one I linked is the best photograpah, although it does he no favours. He himself look better in the third with the bow tie, but it's slightly over-cropped. I think he looks noticeably younger (and healthier) in the second one, taken, I suspect, before he was famous. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:57, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-28T08:57:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T08:57:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm not a fan of the cropped one (because of the crop), but the first one is a good option, or maybe this which appears to be taken from the same shoot as the first one. FruitMonkey (talk) 15:28, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-28T15:28:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T15:28:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T00:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T15:35:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T15:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's an excellent suggestion. Very good indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-28T15:35:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T15:35:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-28T15:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T20:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T15:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

You were right, a clearer photo makes the whole article look better. On another point do you have a copy of David Thomas' 2008 book as I think it's vital to pass GA as a cite at the end of paragaph is no good, especially when quotes are use. Ta FruitMonkey (talk) 20:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T20:23:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T20:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-28T15:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T20:35:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T20:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I think it's a big improvement. I certainly have a copy of Fatal Neglect and I can fully recommend it, even if you never edited the article again! The last quote I added, as a footnote, is on page 46. You are doing a fine job by the way. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T20:35:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T20:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T21:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T20:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do you have a page number for: She met Thomas at Idlewild Airport and was immediately shocked at Thomas' appearance, as he "looked pale, delicate and shaky, not his usual robust self." Thanks FruitMonkey (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T21:58:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T21:58:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T20:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, it's page 57. The paragraph continues thus: "She realised immediately that Dylan had changed since his last trip in May, when he was, she said, basically a healthy man: "in the Fall, that had totally changed... he was very ill when he got here". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z-Dylan_Thomas_2","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T13:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-08-07T14:07:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's important, we need to switch the referenceA to a bibligraphic source and start citing each page. I can't do it now, I'm tired and emotional. FruitMonkey (talk) 23:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-07-31T21:20:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

For the Janes image, I'm not sure how we can justify fair use. On an artist's page we can claim it shows their technique, but for Thomas' page... I'm unsure (I'll have a think). By the way, I know it's a pain, but do you have the pages for all 6 Fatal Neglect quotes. I would far rather we have the pages going into the GA than just naming the book. Cheers. FruitMonkey (talk) 21:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-31T21:14:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-07-31T21:14:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No worries, I'll check. The DNT book is actually full of sound-bites. I thought we might want to borrow a bit back from the Janes' article for this one, partic. the Kardomah Gang. (p.s. by he way I am old enough to remember meeting my Nana many-a-time, for toasted tea-cakes and tea, in "The Kardomah" in Newport !) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:20, 31 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-31T21:20:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-31T21:20:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-07-30T23:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Reading the Death section of the article, I have found it does not follow chronological order. We have Herb meeting Dylan on day three, if you follow the 'next days', but I do not have this correlating with his last days. I have set up on my home page, a link to a sandbox called User:FruitMonkey/holding area. There I am trying to piece together the final trip to America so we can make sure we have the chronological order correct. Maybe we can some dates in the article to give a better understanding. You are more than welcome to add or comment on that page if you have some solid dates or events I have missed. Thanks, FruitMonkey (talk) 13:36, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-07T13:36:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T13:36:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, I expect that something has got missed or jumbled up there. I'll try and run through your sandbox chronology with my copy of DNT. No reply from the DTS yet, by the way, re any suitable images they may have. And what a shame if we have to drop the current image simply because it's Getty Images (which obviously has more legal muscle than other owners). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-07T14:07:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-08-07T14:07:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-30T22:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T18:39:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-08-07T14:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Chronology looking good, it just helps me make sense of what is a confused time.FruitMonkey (talk) 18:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-07T18:39:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T18:39:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-08-07T14:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-08T19:23:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T18:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Brilliant, I'll have a look at it tonight. I'm a bit concerned that we could be getting into too much detail on his death section, but if that becomes a complaint we could easily create an article like Death of John Lennon which is also a GA article. Small problem, I'm off on holidays from Saturday for a week, and it looks wi-fi-less (which I think is a feature my wife looks for in booking a holiday location). I'm sure that Silktork will understand if we need a little more time. FruitMonkey (talk) 19:23, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-08T19:23:00.000Z","author":"FruitMonkey","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-FruitMonkey-2012-08-08T19:23:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-08-07T18:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-08-08T20:40:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-08-08T19:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, we don't want to re-write the whole of DNT's book there, just to get the events in the right order. And we certainly don't want it to be the biggest section in the whole article. But I think his death falls short of the notability of Lennon's. But an idea, perhaps. SilkTork does not seem in too much of a rush. And we're still two years away from Dylan's centenary! Have a good holiday. I know exactly what your wife means! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-08-08T20:40:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-08-08T20:40:00.000Z-FruitMonkey-2012-08-08T19:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Martin, I'm no longer replying at Jimbo's page - I cannot continue to contest flat out lies without looking desperate, and indeed making it look like I believe being an admin is "a big deal" as I have been accused of. Cherry-picking, bad faith, and flat out lies are surprising - hell, RFA was not as bad as that. Indeed, I agree, the community put me there - and as someone stated on my talkpage, I could theoretically ignore Jimbo's recommendation as it holds no true weight - which you also confirm. What I said is truly not grounds for desysop, nor are any of the statements/actions I have ever taken on this project. Taken out of context, we can make anyone/anything look bad. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T23:06:00.000Z","author":"Bwilkins","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:06:00.000Z-No_further_replies","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:12:00.000Z-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bw, I think you are a worthy and committed admin. Sometimes you're a little too abrupt. You are now caught in a very awkward position where immediately taking Jimbo's advice might have saved you. I certainly bear no grudges towards you. I have always admired your sheer work-rate as an admin. I just felt I had to ask a rather obvious and rhetorical "political" question. You cannot be accused of "running to Jimbo Mom", you seem to have been dragged there. Apologies and best regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:12:00.000Z-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not to drag this on, but my first post in there where I stated that I had contacted Jimbo and was awaiting his reply should have been the end of the entire thread. Instead, I started to counter the lies and pile-ons ... should have just left it as it was I suppose. I appreciate your support and honesty. Cheers (✉→BWilkins←✎) 23:17, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T23:17:00.000Z","author":"Bwilkins","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:22:00.000Z-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Admins are often in a very difficult position. They often get, as you say, "piled on" whenever someone complains. At least you have had the decency to respond in a very reasonable and civil way. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 20 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-20T23:22:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-20T23:22:00.000Z-Bwilkins-2012-07-20T23:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Really appreciate your comments on my talk page. Thanks Martin. Daicaregos (talk) 14:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T14:58:00.000Z","author":"Daicaregos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Daicaregos-2012-07-22T14:58:00.000Z-Varlaam_sock","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Daicaregos-2012-07-22T14:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

I find it rather curious that Varlaam should openly add helpful notes in his ediit summaries to tell anyone watching that he's Varlamm and that he's currently blocked. I guess some editors have a different interpretation of what "blocked" means. But, evenso, I think he should have steered well clear of personal comments. I could not defend those. Perhaps he wants an indef block? Which would be rather a shame for a veteran editor who has been contribuuing since 2004. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:45, 22 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-22T18:45:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-22T18:45:00.000Z-Daicaregos-2012-07-22T14:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Martin, many articles don't include the Google doodle mentions, including Borges. WP doesn't work by precedent. See WP:OTHERCRAP for more details. Span (talk) 11:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T11:38:00.000Z","author":"Spanglej","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spanglej-2012-07-25T11:38:00.000Z-Google_doodle","replies":[],"displayName":"Span"}}-->

Hello Martin, Copied'n'pasted this below as I was referring to you on another's page. All the best, -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:16, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T12:16:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T12:16:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiSpeak","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I have just reinstated your addition (last night) to Wikipedia:WikiSpeak, which had been reverted. Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 06:48, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T06:48:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T06:48:00.000Z-Wikipedia:WikiSpeak_2","replies":["c-AnkhMorpork-2012-07-25T10:32:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T06:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks. It is one thing when people revert you on an ordinary article and disregard your views but it is all the more humiliating when your sense of humour is called into question! I tried a few tweaks, hopefully they improved it to everyone's satisfaction. Ankh.Morpork 10:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T10:32:00.000Z","author":"AnkhMorpork","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AnkhMorpork-2012-07-25T10:32:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T06:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T12:13:00.000Z-AnkhMorpork-2012-07-25T10:32:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Ankh"}}-->

Yes, it is fine. Great contribution! I see my friend Martin followed my reverting Nobody Ent back to your original ... he has sharp eyes ... noticed the missing 'n'. He and I enjoy each other's sense of humour, and feel Wikipedia is all the better for injecting some from time to time. Sadly, many disagree. I have tweaked it a little as follows:

/* T */ AnkhMorpork ... that is great! Made a couple of tweaks: updated the dash ; Quotation in italics

Cheers! -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 12:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T12:13:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T12:13:00.000Z-AnkhMorpork-2012-07-25T10:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T12:37:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T12:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha, yes quite inventive. We all know that a Talk Page is really the best place to insult other editirs and then to insult the admin who decides to block you for being uncivil... you freakin' idiots!! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T12:37:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T12:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T17:40:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T12:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I liked your edit summary on your 'n' edit – pithy. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 17:40, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T17:40:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T17:40:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T12:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T17:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T17:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Back off, dude - I can't cope with the praise!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T17:43:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T17:43:00.000Z-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T17:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T18:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T17:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey! Your attempt of assuming modesty fools nobody. -- Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) 18:13, 25 July 2012 (UTC)Modest[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T18:13:00.000Z","author":"Gareth Griffith-Jones","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gareth_Griffith-Jones-2012-07-25T18:13:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T17:43:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It seems there's a strange kind of "joy" that you've been "killing" recently.... Of course, we all knew about the notoriety anyway, but that's a different story haha... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z-\"notorious_killjoy\"","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:11:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z","c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:19:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, alas, now that my Nobel Prize is out in the open, my cover is well and truly blown, "sob". But, as they say on Wikipedia, I think, "looks like a duck, quacks like a sock" (or is it a chicken - I can never remember), whatever that means. Oh well, the iniquitous bingo-halls and chip-shops of Rochdale will get no peace from me, I can assure you. And I never got into that edition of Crimewatch! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:11, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:11:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

(That was, in fact, the second funniest thing I've seen at Wikipedia this year. And it's only July! yay!) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:19:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:19:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well I've got to ask, what's the funniest? Would it take place in an iniquitous chip-shop? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:25, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:25:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:25:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:38:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

Quite probably. But I think it's carefully hidden away in Keifer.Wolfowitz's Talk Page archive, and if I go and drag it out again it will probably be seen as grounds for him getting another 28 day "Guantanamo Bay Block". If I do find it, I'll be sure to let you know! But thank you, PC White of the humour police, for bringing that little gem to my attention. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:38, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:38:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Anytime. Actually I was surprised that you hadn't already seen it, but then I think your watchlist gets quite large (oooh, matron...) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 21:55, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T21:55:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:55:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T21:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:06:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

I tried to reduce it, honest, matron, but it just got me blocked! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:06, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:06:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:06:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T21:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Haha. If seeing that diff has tickled you, would you say that your countenance is now akin to that of that well-known bon viveur, TV's Tony Walmsley? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:17, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:17:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:17:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sheesh. This guy is amazing. Admin material if ever I saw it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:20, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:17:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z","c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Those poor admins - halos or horns? I like the way our guy created a new user account, but put his old one in brackets, so everyone still knows who he is.... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:28:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:28:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:36:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Bless. I think he's actually quite genuine. They sometimes have those very tricky spiky halos, that are quite sharp and pointy and blood-stained... ) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:36:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

They sound good, I think I'm going to ask for one of those for Christmas haha... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 22:41, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T22:41:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T22:41:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

ouch! I just got cut on the sharp irony there. Yours, "Young Nehamkin" (older than Old Nehamkin)....

"Isn't all mankind ultimately executed for a crime it never committed?" PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:02, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T23:02:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:02:00.000Z-Martinevans123-2012-07-25T22:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:18:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

"I was supposed to go at five o'clock, but I have a smart lawyer. Got leniency."

Haha, extra time - or penalty time? I think we should all have smart lawyers provided for us on the NHS - might reduce a few health problems...

Strangely, that reminds me of a quote by that shrinking violet Pete Burns - when he was asked in an interview what he thought of the nuclear bomb, he replied that he thought that "every home should have one..." PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 23:18, 25 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-25T23:18:00.000Z","author":"PaleCloudedWhite","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:18:00.000Z-PaleCloudedWhite-2012-07-25T23:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Mr Martinevans123, I was blocked from making edits to the Jackie Mason page and would like to defend my edits, but I can't in a public forum do to privacy issues concerning the relationship I have with subject matter of the article. I respect the work you do greatly, and the service that wikipedia provides the world, but it also can do harm because of malicious people. Is there a way to defend my position to you in a private thread or other means of direct communication? Any help in this matter would be greatly appreciated. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by SayBaw (talk • contribs) 20:34, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-26T20:34:00.000Z","author":"SayBaw","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SayBaw-2012-07-26T20:34:00.000Z-I_would_like_to_defend_my_edits_but_not_in_a_public_forum","replies":["c-Martinevans123-2012-07-26T20:55:00.000Z-SayBaw-2012-07-26T20:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for your note, SayBaw. Yes, I think some editors found your previous edits at that article somewhat contentious. But you simply broke a wikipedia rule - the three revert rule (see WP:3RR) - and then continued with further "edit waring", which led to you being blocked for a month. You seem to be a very sincere contributor and seem to be close to the subject of that article. But personal information and private sources count for nothing at wikipedia, I'm afraid. You are very welcome to email me privately if you see the need. But I am unable to make any representations to anyone on your behalf. I can offer no better advice than that you need to provide reliable sources for any of your edits. And if you find yourself being "reverted", don't just reverse that revert, but open a discussion on the article Talk Page. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-07-26T20:55:00.000Z","author":"Martinevans123","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Martinevans123-2012-07-26T20:55:00.000Z-SayBaw-2012-07-26T20:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->