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The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue XXVI - September 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue XXVI - September 2008 Project news The Margaret Atwood novel The Penelopiad reached Featured Article status on June 29 and then appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on August 26. It is the first article created through Wikipedia:Articles for creation to become Featured. To Kill a Mockingbird appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on July 11. I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings reached Good Article status on July 1. Member news The members list is currently under review so we have moved all past active member's name to a Incumbent List and are doing a Project Roll Call. If you still consider yourself an active WP:NOVELS editor, please add your name back to the Active Members List. You may also wish to add your name to any of our many Project Task Forces. Task force news A Fantasy Literature task force has been proposed. Comments are welcomed on that proposal since we already have our own WikiProject Novels/Fantasy task force which is covered under our Novels WikiProject. Novel-related news Devil May Care, written by Sebastian Faulks ("writing as Ian Fleming"), has become Penguin Books fastest selling hardcover fiction title. It is the latest installment in the book series about British secret agent James Bond and was released to coincide with the 100th anniversary of late Bond creator Ian Fleming's birthday on May 28, 1908. Me Cheeta: the Autobiography, written by a ghostwriter, is the autobiography of Cheeta the Chimp who is listed in the Guinness World Records as the oldest recorded non-human primate at the age of 76. He has appeared in various movie roles which included twelve Tarzan movies and even battled addiction to alcohol and cigars. The book is not published until October 1, but judges for the 2008 Guardian First Book Award were sent a early version and were so impressed that they have included it on the 10-strong longlist. Stephenie Meyer, who is listed by Time magazine as one of its 100 most influential people of 2008, has decided not to continue with writing her draft for Midnight Sun after 12 chapters of the unfinished manuscript were leaked on the internet. Current debates Categories for Discussion has a series of discussions about whether to categorize certain specific types of fictional characters: double agents, dictators, characters with eidetic memory, etc. Advice from any Novels project members would be valuable in assisting them. WikiProject Media franchises aims to help editors with the coordination of articles within the thousands of media franchises which exist and has requested input from our members. They are currently discussing a naming convention for franchise articles. Since this may affect one or more articles in our Novel project, they would like to get opinions before implimenting any changes. From the Members With the Newsletter being almost three months overdue, I have decided to take on the position of Editor to make sure it reaches you regularly on time each month. The Newsletter is meant to inspire and encourage our team of Editors and so my goal shall be to make it informative and interesting each issue. We now have many positions vacant in our Project Team, so we are looking for members who have the time and interest to take on the various roles, details of which can be found at the Job Centre. Shortly a Coordinator nominations notice shall also be sent out to all members, which will commence the annual Coordinator selection process. Next month's Newsletter will include a message from our Coordinator Maria, who will introduce herself and speak on our forthcoming elections for extra Coordinators. Boylo (talk), Editor Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is Look Homeward, Angel. The next collaboration is due for selection on 14 September, 2008 so cast your vote. Newsletter challenge Our last newsletter's challenge The Pure Land was completed by our member Maclean25, who also provided us with tipline news for this newsletter. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Leslie Ann Moore's first book in her fantasy 'Griffin's Daughter' trilogy, which was named by the Independent Book Publishers Association as the 2008 Ben Franklin Award winner for Best First Fiction, Griffin's Daughter. Note: This article was previously deleted due to lack of notability, but that now can be established since winning this award. To unsubscribe from further issues of this newsletter please remove your name from here.

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Hi, Aleta! A couple of us have been discussing the LGBT people cats at WT:LGBT/CAT. The current discussion on Category:Transgender and transsexual actors from the United States falls directly into the type of cat we're trying to get rid of. Would you take a look at the discussion on the WikiProject page, and perhaps review your !vote at the discussion? Not saying you have to, just a request to review :) Thanks! -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 23:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T23:07:00.000Z","author":"SatyrTN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SatyrTN-2008-09-11T23:07:00.000Z-T&T_Actors","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-09-11T23:18:00.000Z-SatyrTN-2008-09-11T23:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Satyr, I'll go look. :) Aleta ^Sing 23:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T23:18:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-11T23:18:00.000Z-SatyrTN-2008-09-11T23:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-SatyrTN-2008-09-13T04:48:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-09-11T23:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Did you get to see my response on the Cat discussion page? -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 04:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-13T04:48:00.000Z","author":"SatyrTN","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SatyrTN-2008-09-13T04:48:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-09-11T23:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-09-13T18:07:00.000Z-SatyrTN-2008-09-13T04:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey, I just read your response there. I'm not really sure what to say at this point. Part (at least) of that is my feelings on it just aren't that strong as compared to yours apparently. Maybe that's because I do mainly see categorizing (right now anyway) as a matter of convenience - making it easy for people to find things. I think that should be the most important criterion generally - does the category make it easier for someone to find the articles for which she/he is looking? Aleta ^Sing 18:07, 13 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-13T18:07:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-13T18:07:00.000Z-SatyrTN-2008-09-13T04:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! I just wanted to pass along my thanks for your support in my RfA from earlier this week. I hope I did not disappoint you. I am going on Wikibreak and I will let you know when or if I am back on the site -- I am trying to take time away to clear my thoughts and refocus on this and other priorities. Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 04:56, 5 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-05T04:56:00.000Z","author":"Ecoleetage","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ecoleetage-2008-09-05T04:56:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-09-05T18:31:00.000Z-Ecoleetage-2008-09-05T04:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Breaks to clear the mind are good. I hope you do come back; you can (and have) do much to improve WP without the admin tools. Then in a few months or so, if (and only if) you feel like it, you can try again for adminship. Don't let that be the determining factor for your continued presence here, please. Aleta ^Sing 18:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-05T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-05T18:31:00.000Z-Ecoleetage-2008-09-05T04:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ecoleetage-2008-09-16T22:26:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-09-05T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

Eco's back! Hi, Aleta! Just to let you know that I am back from my break, with a new UU-related for the project: Webster Kitchell. Thanks for your continued support and friendship. More fun stuff to follow... Ecoleetage (talk) 22:26, 16 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-16T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Ecoleetage","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ecoleetage-2008-09-16T22:26:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-09-05T18:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-09-17T17:37:00.000Z-Ecoleetage-2008-09-16T22:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Great and welcome back! Aleta ^Sing 17:37, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T17:37:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-17T17:37:00.000Z-Ecoleetage-2008-09-16T22:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Do Not Mark Me as a Sockpuppet, Alright? i'm Not a sockpuppet, i make useful edits to this site every day, and i should never be called a sockpuppet..there is no proof i'm one if you want to disscuss this please do so at my page. LamyQ (talk) 00:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T00:00:00.000Z","author":"LamyQ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LamyQ-2008-09-30T00:00:00.000Z-Please","replies":[]}}-->

Aleta, I placed a (copypaste) and (references) banner on Ron Holloway's page. Heck, I knew Ron, back in 1977-81. But my problem is, on the discussion page, I see a note that someone who edits the page has conflict of interest banner. Oh, my. Please take a look at the page and my comment. Now, I have not one but TWO emails from someone, User: Ronsax saying:

"Leah, Your citations ironically are punishing me for language I myself composed. After years of revising the RH bio I finally came up with the best version right here on Wikipedia. After pretty much perfecting the wording I realized I had to bring the wording on the Official RH Website more in line with the Wiki version. The bio as you see it now originated here on Wikipedia and I composed every word which is how I know this. Ronsax ---This e-mail was sent by user "Ronsax" on the English Wikipedia to user "Leahtwosaints". It has been automatically delivered and the Wikimedia Foundation cannot be held responsible for its contents. The sender has not been given any information about your e-mail account and you are not required to reply to this e-mail. For further information on privacy, security, and replying, as well as abuse and removal from emailing, see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Email>. © 2008 Microsoft Privacy Legal Help Central Account Feedback

I changed my user preferences to no email, but am not sure how to proceed. The page IS a mess. And, I didn't answer the email. What to do????? --leahtwosaints (talk) 02:16, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z-Coming_to_you_as_Admin","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z","c-Aleta-2008-09-30T17:32:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Leah, I'm starting to look. What is the webpage that has the same text as this article? Aleta ^Sing 17:13, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T17:13:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-30T17:13:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I found where to report it as a possible copyright infringement: Wikipedia:Copyright problems. I would have gone ahead and added it, but it needs to be listed with the page that it might be copying. Since you have gotten the emails from Ronsax saying the other page is actually the copy, that information needs to be reported as well. Basically, I'd list there exactly what you have put here, but with the addition of the link to the other page in question. It may be that if he adds to the other page a statement that it is copied from Wikipedia that it would be enough to clear up the problem. I'm not an expert in copyright issues, however, and am not certain. I've added the article to my watchlist; please keep me in the loop! Aleta ^Sing 17:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T17:32:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-09-30T17:32:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-09-30T02:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Aleta, did you contact him? Would you please do it? Just to tell him that he must place the information that the website info on Ron Holloway is from the Wikipedia. (Isn't it creepy when you look something up on some other website, and find your own work there-- like blogs or You tube or whatever? And they do it so quickly!) He keeps sending the emails, b/c he now has my email address, and I didn't want to answer THEM, since it would be admitting that I do check that particular email addy. I'm up to 6 emails about it. We went through this with the Management team for Josh Klinghoffer, back when I didn't even have a User Name, and was working on the John Frusciante page with only an ISP address. Thanks for helping. Sorry I couldn't come with some nice news instead. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:33, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T09:33:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-10-01T09:33:00.000Z-Coming_to_you_as_Admin","replies":[]}}-->

Did you know you can answer me here? I know it's stressful with an admin. working over your shoulder, but I'll help you pull those banners down. I take it you are new at this, so just leave me a note. No hard feelings, we just need to know where this stands. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:50, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Leah! How are you? Wow, you and I knew each other around the late '70's into the early eighties! (I saw where you said that.) I know you're in my corner and I don't mind your help at all. Yes, I'm definitely new at this but I enjoy working on websites so I learn very fast. I'm sorry if my sending you emails upset you. I didn't mean to do that which is why none of those emails contained any anger. I was disturbed because I realized YOU thought someone was breaching copyright laws. Imagine my horror when that came across my mind- knowing I had composed those words on my Official site as well as the Wiki page. I was horrorfied because I knew I am not by any means guilty of that! I was trying to figure out some way to let you know what was REALLY behind the similarity in the language. I DON'T know your email address. When I went to your Talk page there is a link that reads "email this user" or something like that. THAT is how I was able to email you. You were being emailed by me but I had no idea what address those emails were going to. Sorry about the number(6 you said) of emails fired off very rapidly. I was desperate to prove my innocence. I haven't sent you any emails since Monday night. All of those emails were sent- one behind the other because I kept thinking of different things I wanted you to know. I very much want to have an accurate, factual page on Wikipedia that meets Wikipedia's standards. I'm not interested in using it to promote myself. I've had a very productive career playing with some historic figures like Dizzy Gillespie, Gil Scott-Heron, the Allman Brothers Band, Taj Mahal, John Hiatt, Delbert McClinton, Sonny Rollins, Freddie Hubbard, Dr. John and the list literally goes on. However, if you notice I don't mention all of these names. I only mention artists that I have an ongoing relationship with. There are MANY details I mention on my "Official" site that I know I cannot mention on the Wiki site.

I had already thought of putting "From Wikipedia" at the top of my "Official Website" bio but I realized it wouldn't be altogether true because if you really scrutinize each paragraph the details and the TYPES of details vary GREATLY from one another. There are also headings and paragraphs on the Wiki article that don't exist on my "Official" bio. For instance on my Official bio there are no headings or paragraphs on Little Feat, Derek Trucks, Warren Haynes, Gregg Allman or Susan Tedeschi. My "Official" website bio is grossly BEHIND when it comes to updated activity. YEARS behind! Of course SOME of the wording has been brought up to speed because once I "perfected" the language on Wikipedia I couldn't stand to read the more clumsy language of earlier drafts. Anyway, on closer scrutiny I think you will find if you compare my "Official" bio to the Wikipedia article about HALF the wording of each paragraph is written verbatim. The two versions differ substantially. This is why I don't really feel comfortable posting "From Wikipedia".

Anyway, thank you for your offer to "help you pull those banners down". It breaks my heart to look at those banners on my page. I'd very much like to improve the article so they can be removed! Help me, Leah--HELP ME!!! Haha! Certainly there are no hard feelings! If you can help me I'll be forever grateful. You would be my automatic guest to any show you cared to attend. (That's not bribery!) Tell me what to do to bring the quality to an acceptable level and I'll do it!

OK, I'm going to sign off because this is long.

Thank you, Leah and a HUGE THANKS to Aleta for her very helpful edit!

Sincerely,

Ron

Leah, I just noticed this message you left:

OK, Ronsax, first, this has nothing to do with Root Boy Slim, although I met Ron through his work with him when I was a teenager, that is true. The issue is that if you wrote everything for his website, it now must be listed on that website (his) too; that all the information was created here on the wikipedia. We cannot have mirror websites. This is an encyclopedia! Am I speaking to Ron himself? Or another person? I will help you with the work on this article if you wish, so we can pull these banners down, but I need to know your ties to Ron Holloway or whatever bands he's worked with- I'm familiar with several. You can leave a note on my talk page. I saw all the time consuming work you have put into the article, and that's why I didn't do anything foolish like delete it, but you really need to clarify your ties to Ron and your intentions with the website. If this is your first article, let me know. Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 09:45, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ron_Holloway" Cat

I didn't answer this message directly because I just noticed it a few minutes ago. First of all anyone who I met back then in the context of Root Boy Slim's band is AUTOMATICALLY a FRIEND! That's HUGE that you liked Slim and you and I met back then. You and I AUTOMATICALLY have a meaningful bond. I wonder if I'd recognize you if I saw you, Leah. This is Ron or Ronsax. It's ME Leah.  :-) Your friend from all those years ago. Back then I used to jam or sit in with a LOT of D.C. bands. I was actually a member of the Sex Change Band of course but I also used to sit in with Babe, Catfish Hodge, Jr. Cline, Dr. Goodfoot and the Toxic Socks, Bill Holland, Danny Gatton, Billy Price and the Keystone Rhythm Band, Mike Cotter and others. The venues back then were the Psychedelly, the Childe Harolde, Desperados, The Cellar Door, the Bayou, the Crazy Horse, etc. Convinced yet, my dear? Haha! Yes, this is my very first article here on Wikipedia and I appreciate the significance of this medium. I am honored to have such an opportunity to make a meaningful contribution! One thing Leah; this is by no means a mirror of my other website for so MANY reasons. Look closer. Only SOME of the sentences from each paragraph are verbatim. The content of each paragraph on my "Official" site veers away from the content of the Wiki article. Case in point:

   * 2nd paragraph from my "Official" site:

In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz, renowned jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Ron Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B, and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling." While true, this only begins to touch upon the versatility of the tenor saxophonist! The quest for complete expression has been a hallmark of Ron Holloway's music from the beginning. Born August 24th, 1953, Ron grew up in a household where listening to jazz was a favorite pastime. His parents, Winston and Marjorie Holloway were, and remain avid jazz listeners. "My parents met while attending Howard University, in Washington, D.C. They both loved jazz and would frequently go to concerts at the Howard Theatre.

   * Corresponding paragraph from Wikipedia as it originally appeared for many months:

Ronald Edward "Ron" Holloway (born August 24, 1953 in Washington, D.C.) is an American tenor saxophonist known for his ability to adapt to virtually any musical environment. In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz renowned jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Ron Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling."

   * As the paragraph currently appears (after your contribution):

Ronald Edward "Ron" Holloway, born August 24, 1953 in Washington, D.C., is an American tenor saxophonist known for his ability to adapt to a variety of musical genres. In the Biographical Encyclopedia of Jazz [1] jazz critic Ira Gitler describes Holloway as "a bear-down-hard-bopper who can blow authentic R&B and croon a ballad with warm, blue feeling."[2]

These 3 versions share SOME of the same wording...By necessity the quote from Ira Gitler but they are fundamentally different. This holds true for each and every paragraph if you carefully A-B the articles. By no means is one a carbon copy of the other.

Anyway, I welcome your help friend Leah.

Ronsax (talk) 12:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Ronsax"

I left a response to your comment at Talk:Paul Newman. —Politizer^{( talk • contribs )} 14:18, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T14:18:00.000Z","author":"Politizer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Politizer-2008-10-01T14:18:00.000Z-Paul_Newman_and_UU","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Leah

First of all thank you so much for helping me clean up the article and bring it into an area of acceptability. I still have all of the newspaper articles and a long chapter in a book to back up everything in the article. You are correct when you point out the original Wiki article was started by a fan. Actually, by fans I don't personally KNOW! The couple had come home from one of my performances and decided they wanted to do it. I was totally surprised when I learned of the articles existence. I read it and I realized how SKETCHY is was. This kind of disturbed me. I didn't want sketchy, incomplete pieces out there. This is why I decided to try and create a piece that is based on provable, factual details. I welcome your input because I want to do this correctly or objectively. I'm not interested in creating a "promotional" piece as you rightly pointed out. You have done an excellent job of cleaning up some things! You have done so without losing the meaning of my original language and you retained the chronology of the events. I couldn't wish for more than that!

Thank you Leah (and Aleta),

Ronsax (talk) 12:56, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ron_Holloway"

Hey Aleta, As you can tell, the writer IS Ron Holloway, who I really do know, and I offered to mentor him here as best I can. He says he has clippings from newspaper articles, which are sorely needed for references. I've begun to re-write the article into third person, as a biographical piece, and he's completely amenable to the wikipedia demands, so it looks like a positive ending to my fears. I removed the copyvio banner from the page, found in some of his attempts at non in-line refs some real references, good ones, and am beginning to teach him. He played and recorded with Dizzy Gillespie, which is mind-blowing. He was awfully young then to play with the greats, but it's well documented. And of all things, I'd been working on both Derek Trucks, The Derek Trucks Band, and Derek's wife, Susan Tedeschi and her band. Ron is currently in Susan's band. What a crazy world, huh? He's going to try to get some photos for the bands I listed above to upload into the Wikimedia Commons, and several editors have offered to help with this page, so it looks like it may be a happy ending. I told him, if I run into problems or whatever, you are the admin. I'll be turning to. OK?  :) --leahtwosaints (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-10-03T23:39:00.000Z-To_keep_you_in_the_loop","replies":[]}}-->

Leah, I'm glad this is going so well. I see that he's very amenable to learning the WP culture, and that y'all are working together happily. By all means, if there is anything I can help either of you with, let me know! :) Right now, it's late and I should already be asleep, so I'm signing off for now... Aleta ^Sing

06:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC) Thanks Aleta, I actually spoke to him, (since he was playing with Derek Trucks and Susan Tedeschi, who are husband and wife, and merge their bands into the "Soul Stew Revival"-- and they played the same Washington D.C. area where I live, so he was in town.. He's providing me with a bunch of newspaper clippings and so forth -not to mention books that have chapters on him, so I can do the article properly along with him and avoid POV issues. For some reason, User:Keeper is hanging up the mop, or the computer in WikiLand, which is a shame b/c he was also willing to assist in this sometime ago. Glad though that it has had, as you'd say, a happy ending, so, there it is. :) --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-05T21:22:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-10-05T21:22:00.000Z-To_keep_you_in_the_loop","replies":[]}}-->

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 27 - October 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 27 - October 2008 Project news A Did you know fact from the new article The Masks of Time by Robert Silverberg appeared on the main page on 19 September, 2008. Member news Nominations have now commenced for Coordinator Candidates for the Novels Project. Any member of the project may nominate themselves. Nominations close on October 27, so if you wish to run make sure you add your name before then. Details on the election process and the role of Coordinators can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Coordinators/October 2008. The voting and question phase of the election will open on October 28 and end November 28. After the recent roll call, the Novels Project now has 74 active members. 15 positions still remain unfilled at the Job Centre, members who are interested are encouraged to apply. Pyfan has taken on the position of coordinator for the "Fantasy", "Science fiction" and "Shannara" task forces plus joined the "Style team". the_ed17 has also taken on the position of coordinator for the "Shannara" task force and joined the "Peer Review team". Coordinators are still required for the "Australian", "Chronicles of Narnia", "Crime", "Lemony Snicket" and "Short stories" task forces, which may be applied for at the Job Centre. Task force news A new task force has now commenced under the Novels Project known as the Twilight task force, based on the Twilight series of vampire-based fantasy/romance novels by author Stephenie Meyer. You may join by adding your name to Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Twilight task force/Participants or contact founder Bella Swan for more details. Member in Focus Yllosubmarine (talk · contribs) has been a member of the Novels WikiProject for nearly two years, and a coordinator since May. Aside from her work outside the project (including four FAs and six GAs in various areas), she has been active in the Project's Assessment and Peer Review departments. She hopes to continue in these roles as well as help encourage more activity and community research within the Project. With the upcoming coordinator election, she hopes that others will volunteer to become more active in their roles as Project members so that we can continue to provide quality articles to the readers of this encyclopedia. María (habla conmigo) Current debates A collection of Wikipedia articles is being collected together as Wikipedia 0.7. This collection will be released on DVD, so we have been asked to review the articles selected from this project. Revisions are requested before October 20. More details can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/GeneralForum#Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Novel. From the Outreach Department On the advice of Coordinator Maria, the newsletter is now only distributed to active listed members of the Novels Project. A new section has started with this issue called 'In Focus', which will feature various members and task forces each month. Members are requested to post any news items to the Tip Line (found above) to make sure it reaches the next newsletter before closing date, which is always the last day of the preceding month. Any task force news should be added by the coordinator of that task force. Having news items helps inform members of what is happening at the various task forces and so can be a way of encouraging more membership and participation. Editors are required to assist with the newsletter for Task Force News and Peer Reviews & Assessments News, which involves the gathering of news items from the main project and the various task forces. These positions may be applied for at the Job Centre. Boylo (talk), Editor Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Steppenwolf (novel). The next collaboration is due for selection on 1 November, 2008 so cast your vote. Newsletter challenge Our last newsletter's challenge Griffin's Daughter was uncompleted. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is The Cater Street Hangman. This is the first published novel by historical detective fiction author Anne Perry whose early life featured in the Peter Jackson movie Heavenly Creatures. Note: This article currently redirects to Thomas Pitt (fictional character).

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I see you nominated this article for deletion in August. It seems to be back, once more footnoted to the sole source that was rejected by the Reliable Sources board months ago (Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_10#Masculinity_for_Boys). What is the situation here? As I understand he was allowed to develop it in his user-space to obtain reliable sources. The only source is his roundly rejected old favourite. A quick google search also clearly indicates that there is no substantial body of literature that uses "heterosexualization" in this way. Mostly, it's used to mean somthing quite different. Paul B (talk) 06:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-07T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Paul Barlow","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T06:22:00.000Z-Heterosexualization","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-07T09:37:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T06:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Paul B"}}-->

Yes, the previous version was userfied to User:Masculinity/Heterosexualization, where nothing at all has happened. Check the history of that one.) Instead, he's just created a new stub. At the very least, other uses of the term need to be discussed, else we shouldn't have it at all. Aleta ^Sing 09:37, 7 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-07T09:37:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-07T09:37:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T06:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T10:48:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-07T09:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Google scholar reveals that a significant number of articles do use the word "heterosexualization", but most seem to use it to mean nothing more than "removing homosexuality" [1]. For example the article on lesbians in mainstream cinema discusses the fact that most "lesbian" scenes are not designed to show actual lesbian life, but to appeal to heterosexuals in the audience. Though the word appears in a few article titles, it does not seem to be a significant concept in its own right. I don't really think there is enough there to justify an article. The definition used in the article - which is presented as undisputed fact - seems to be unique to user:Masculinity's source, which has already been deemed unreliable by the community. Paul B (talk) 10:48, 7 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-07T10:48:00.000Z","author":"Paul Barlow","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T10:48:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-07T09:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-07T20:13:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T10:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Paul B"}}-->

Agreed, and I have tagged the article accordingly, and posted on the talk page thereof. You might want to follow up there... Aleta ^Sing 20:13, 7 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-07T20:13:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-07T20:13:00.000Z-Paul_Barlow-2008-10-07T10:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Aleta! I noticed that you marked LamyQ (talk · contribs) as a suspected sock puppet (he keeps deleting your notice, but I saw it anyway). I have started a case on him here: Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/PoliticianTexas (2nd). Please feel free to jump in with additional evidence. Thanks. --Uncia (talk) 00:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-04T00:12:00.000Z","author":"Uncia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Uncia-2008-10-04T00:12:00.000Z-Sockpuppetry_case_for_User:LamyQ","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-05T06:21:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-04T00:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for opening the case and for alerting me thereto. It looks like you've made a pretty good argument. I don't have anything to add right now. I've watchlisted it. Aleta ^Sing 06:21, 5 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-05T06:21:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-05T06:21:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-04T00:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uncia-2008-10-05T19:27:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-05T06:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

He has now been blocked as a sock puppet. There is a discussion about what to do about him long-term here: Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Community_ban_for_PoliticianTexas? --Uncia (talk) 19:27, 5 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-05T19:27:00.000Z","author":"Uncia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Uncia-2008-10-05T19:27:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-05T06:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Uncia-2008-10-08T12:50:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-05T19:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Consensus is building for a community ban, at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Community_ban_for_PoliticianTexas?. Please weigh in if you have any opinion. Thanks. --Uncia (talk) 12:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-08T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Uncia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Uncia-2008-10-08T12:50:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-05T19:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-08T15:46:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-08T12:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Done! :) Aleta ^Sing 15:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-08T15:46:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-08T15:46:00.000Z-Uncia-2008-10-08T12:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Why was this article deleted. Mitchell Henderson truly was a 13 year old boy who committed suicide after losing his iPod and was called "an hero" for it. Google it yourself. It is in fact a very real case. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andoris (talk • contribs) 02:35, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T02:35:00.000Z","author":"Andoris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andoris-2008-10-12T02:35:00.000Z-Mitchell_Henderson","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-12T02:44:00.000Z-Andoris-2008-10-12T02:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

"From this, the meme "an hero" was born." Given that there is nothing unusual about the phrase "an hero", this did not sound very credible. There were absolutely no references given. It therefore appeared to be total vandalism. If there are reliable sources that discuss this case, perhaps a useful article can be written about this person. As it was, there was not enough information to make that a useful article. Aleta ^Sing 02:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T02:44:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-12T02:44:00.000Z-Andoris-2008-10-12T02:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-12T03:01:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-12T02:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Actually, take a look at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive103#Mitchell Henderson. An article on this topic has been previously deleted. Aleta ^Sing 03:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-12T03:01:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-12T02:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Although I do not personally agree, I respect your decision to remove the above mentioned article. Hopefully when others learn of SLD by other means, you can review your decision of removing the article. Regards, K. Evans. —Preceding unsigned comment added by KIERANEVANS (talk • contribs) 19:16, 13 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-13T19:16:00.000Z","author":"KIERANEVANS","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KIERANEVANS-2008-10-13T19:16:00.000Z-Serial_Limerence_Disorder","replies":[]}}-->

I added the article for the football (soccer) player named Andrei Smirnov and noticed that the name is redlinked from many other unrelated articles. I don't have the expertise to add articles on other Andrei Smirnovs listed, but to the best of my knowledge Andrei Smirnov the filmmaker is quite notable in Russia (the film linked was sent for Oscar consideration by the Russian academy) and Andrei Smirnov the swimmer won an Olympic medal in 1976, so at least those two warrant a Wiki article. I changed the links in the respective articles to point to those new suggested pages instead of pointing to the disambiguation page, let's hope those pages get created. Until those pages do get created, I'm not sure whether disambiguation is warranted or not... Doesn't matter either way I guess if there's only one non-redlinked option. Geregen2 (talk) 22:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-14T22:04:00.000Z","author":"Geregen2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geregen2-2008-10-14T22:04:00.000Z-Andrei_Smirnov_(prod)","replies":[]}}-->

I think the speedy delete of this page was incorrect. The page listed several reference to notable 3rd party reviews in national media (Christian Science Monitor and Wired.com). The page may have been a bit ad-like, but I think it was salvageable. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 22:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z","author":"WikiDan61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WikiDan61-2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z-Speedy_delete_of_OurStage","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z","c-WikiDan61-2008-10-15T15:35:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

I took another look at it and see your point. I have restored it accordingly. It is now viewable at OurStage. Thank you for commenting to me about this. Aleta ^Sing 13:52, 15 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T13:52:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:52:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:59:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have now apologized to the article creator for my mistake. Aleta ^Sing 13:59, 15 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T13:59:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:59:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Whippersnapr-2008-10-15T15:22:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you WikiDan61 for flagging the deletion, and thank you Aleta for reconsidering. I took great care to offer valuable references, but I also realize this page will need some editing. I'm glad we have a starting point and I look forward to any suggestions/edits you both can offer! Whippersnapr (talk) 15:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T15:22:00.000Z","author":"Whippersnapr","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Whippersnapr-2008-10-15T15:22:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-10-15T13:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have taken a pass through the article to remove the "ad-like" copy. Please take a second look, and see if it still needs work. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T15:35:00.000Z","author":"WikiDan61","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WikiDan61-2008-10-15T15:35:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-14T22:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-10-15T18:23:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-15T15:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

It looks much better! I've made a number of small changes and added a category. Whippersnapr, I apologize again for being over-hasty in deleting it. Aleta ^Sing 18:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-15T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-10-15T18:23:00.000Z-WikiDan61-2008-10-15T15:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, Aleta! I haven’t written anything new for the UU WikiProject in some weeks, so I put together this new stub today about an 18th century Universalist writer and physician: William Pitt Smith. If you have anything on the subject that could help grow this entry, please let me know. Hope all is well! Ecoleetage (talk) 20:55, 30 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-30T20:55:00.000Z","author":"Ecoleetage","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ecoleetage-2008-10-30T20:55:00.000Z-William_Pitt_Smith","replies":[]}}-->

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 28 - November 2008

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 28 - November 2008 Member news Coordinators election voting and question time is now open. Project members should vote for any candidates they wish to support by November 28 at the Coordinator Elections. Yllosubmarine, aka Maria, has decided not to be reappointed, her work as sole Coordinator since the last elections in May is highly appreciated by all members of the project. The Novels Project now has 88 active members. 18 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only do a position for a short time. Ladywitchthought has taken on the position of coordinator for the "Lemony Snicket task force". Project news On September 26, a fact on Shea Ohmsford, the protagonist of Terry Brooks novel The Sword of Shannara appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column. On September 29, the expanded article about the novel Thrones, Dominations written by Dorothy L. Sayers and Jill Paton Walsh appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On October 11, the new article Going, Going, Gone written by Jack Womack appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On October 18, a fact from The Dragon Lord by David Drake appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know? column. On October 22, the expanded articles The Sirian Experiments and The Making of the Representative for Planet 8 written by Doris Lessing appeared on the main page in the DYK section. On October 25, the new article A Real Basket Case by Beth Groundwater appeared on the main page in the DYK section. - Contributors are the_ed17, Maclean25 & Captain-tucker (who searched the archives). Task force and related news WikiProject North of the Rio Grande has begun. WP:NRG is an educational project aiming to "improve a selection of articles on Chicano and Latino literature to featured article status (or as near as possible)." Among the articles they are working on are How the García Girls Lost Their Accents and Who Would Have Thought It?. They welcome any advice or help that members of WikiProject Novels may be able to offer. If interested drop a note on their talk page. – Position of editor for 'Task force news' is still available at the Job Centre. Peer review and assessment news Peer Reviews are still open for three articles – At Swim-Two-Birds, The Emberverse series & Flowers for Algernon. Feel free to submit any novel-related article that you are working on for review, and please consider stopping by and reviewing an article, as we need more reviewers for our articles! – the_ed17 (talk), Editor – Peer review and assessment news Member in Focus Hi, I have been around this project for quite some time now. Bit of a hiatus earlier this year, but back now just contributing. The Novels WikiProject wasn't started by me but my interest in the subject initially attracted me to what was here. It has developed substantially in the last few years and now takes in all forms of Narrative Prose Fiction within its scope. We are about the content not the format of the prose so WP:Books differs a little in that an implied format is entailed; also they can also focus more clearly on non-fiction. WP:Literature are the "new boys on the block" and are a little more focused on the "quality" aspects of literature, and again they have less emphasis on pure fiction and the prose aspect. Our biggest problem is to maintain a certain focus of interest across such a broad subject area and we need workers who can develop task forces, teams for assessment, teams for peer review and so much more. "So much to do, so little time, I'm late, I'm late, I'm late" to misquote from Alice in Wonderland. Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/(Desk) Current debates The featured list Narnian timeline has been nominated for removal. You can comment here. The Narnian timeline is a featured list, which means it has been identified as one of the best lists produced by the Wikipedia community. Novel related news Indian writer Aravind Adiga wins the Man Booker Prize for his debut novel, The White Tiger. From the Outreach Department As I shall be leaving Wikipedia, this will be my last newsletter. Any member who is interested in taking over the role of editor can sign up for the position at the Job Centre. Over the last month I have been working on a portal for our project. So am happy to announce that the Novels Portal is now up and running. Boylo (talk), Editor Boylo: Thank you for getting this newsletter back on its feet and going again. No Boylo equals no Novels Portal...heck, without you, we wouldn't have had a newsletter for these past months...so, for all of the members of the Novels WikiProject, I want to thank you for the time and effort you have put into this project, and I wish you the best of luck in all of your future endeavors. Thanks, pal. the_ed17 (talk) Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Novel. As this is our Project's premier article, all members are asked to assist. The next collaboration is due for selection on 21 November, 2008 so cast your vote. Newsletter challenge Our last newsletter's challenge The Cater Street Hangman was uncompleted. The first person to start the article is mentioned in the next newsletter. This month's article is Mindplayers by science fiction author Pat Cadigan. Announcements and open tasks WikiProject Novels • (inc. novellas, novelettes & short stories) Announcements and open tasks (watch • edit • discuss • changes) → Please help with tagging articles! Critique (Featured article): 33 achieved Novels WikiProject Peer reviews: • Sector General • Petals of Blood • Flowers for Algernon Improve: Oberon Old and New • The Age of Reason • Furies of Calderon • Wolf Brother • The Monk • The English Patient • Bones of the Moon Create: To the Vanishing Point • Spoilt City Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other. Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.

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The Miss Julie Memorial LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter

The LGBT studies WikiProject Newsletter! Issue XVII: November 12, 2008 Wake up WP:LGBT! It's time to kick in gear and get some things done! Project News Wake up! I say this to myself as much as I say it to all of us. I work a lot by myself or with individual editors who spend time at Featured Article Candidates. It seems on November 5 a fog was lifted off my brain that helped me realize that we have massive potential in this project to get things done. Take this allegory, for instance: On Wednesday, Nov. 5, 1980, my 10th-grade American history teacher started class by unfurling The New York Times. She pointed to its triple banner headline: “Reagan Easily Beats Carter; Republicans Gain in Congress; D’Amato and Dodd are Victors.” “Save this paper,” she told us. “This is the start of a whole new era.” Judith Warner from The New York Times It definitely seems a start to a whole new era now. If planets align correctly to remind us that whatever advances we may have made in electing what appears to be an extraordinary president in the US, the moons that revolve around those planets also serve to illustrate it's not that simple. Florida, Arizona, and California all appear to have banned same sex marriage. As someone who was married in California and lives in Florida, this is particularly poignant. We seem to be at the juncture of two converging paths. If we maximize our efforts and take the right ones, we might just be able to affect some change for ourselves. The power of Wikipedia and California Proposition 8 (2008) Though what we do is an interesting hobby for some, we have the power to make a difference. California's ballot initiative to ban gay marriage was a fierce fight. It's being challenged right now, but just look at how Wikipedia played a role in that: in October 2008, 360,238 people read its article. On November 5, an astounding 467,000 people read it. I commend the editors who work on that article—both those who support and oppose it. A look at the talk page shows a concerted effort to keep it civil and accurate. What can we do? How do you fight ignorance? With information. That's what Wikipedia is for. This project is overwhelming with 8,576 articles in its scope. We can continue to work piecemeal as we have in the past, or we can focus on goals. These are examples of areas we can concentrate on. Current political events LGBT Media and Literature LGBT History Sex and sexuality Articles about political issues in the US and around the world that have been especially relevant within the past 5 years Depictions of LGBT people and issues on television, film, newspapers, magazines Topics about gay rights activism and the opposition to it Articles relating to sex and sexuality Florida Amendment 2 (2008), California Proposition 8 (2008), E.O. Green School shooting, etc. The Advocate, Curve (magazine), Washington Blade, Milk (film), Brokeback Mountain, etc. Moral Majority, ACT UP, Queer Nation, Mattachine Society, Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, Mathew Shepard, etc. Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender, sexual and gender expression, etc. There are more than 8,000 articles to work on. Can we build a list of priorities? Can we build enough enthusiasm to work on these? What if we had editors who oversaw progress in these areas and reported to the talk page or in the newsletter? Surely someone here wants to report on the progress of sex articles. Tony Perkins (irony) from the conservative Family Research Council was heartened by the recent passages of gay marriage bans. The Republican Party is without direction. What's going to take the place of a moderate voice will not be pleasant to our ears. Watching and improving articles of subjects that have opposed gay rights in the past will be of vital importance very soon, I predict. 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Hey Aleta, can you take a peek at the Richie Havens article, and evaluate it-- it says it's a Stub, or Start, but has been added to, so maybe it needs upgrading. Thanks.--leahtwosaints (talk) 10:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-20T10:25:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-11-20T10:25:00.000Z-Admin_Question","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-11-22T18:18:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-11-20T10:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done :) Aleta ^Sing 18:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-22T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-11-22T18:18:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2008-11-20T10:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks, but I'm truly a dingbat. Trying to figure out what all that small print on the back of pages' talk page is COMPLETELY confusing. The best I can get to is some place where you gotta put your article in some long list. Is that how it's supposed to be??! Meanwhile, I once again need your help with ranking another page. Paul Samwell-Smith-- can you evaluate it and tell me exactly what you did? This one is certainly not a stub any longer! Thanks- --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:06, 22 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-22T22:06:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-11-22T22:06:00.000Z-Admin_Question","replies":[]}}-->

I think you're making it harder than it really is. :) You just need to edit the talk page of the article itself. If the article has already been added to the project, there is a template for the project, and you can update the assessment very easily. In the case above, on Talk:Paul Samwell-Smith was the following code:

{{WPBiography |living=yes |class=Stub |priority= |musician-work-group=yes }}

I changed the word Stub to Start, and the update is done. Try it! :) Aleta ^Sing 19:35, 23 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-23T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-11-23T19:35:00.000Z-Admin_Question","replies":[]}}-->

Aleta, In attempting to add information to the article on John Pease, someone(s?) has continued to vandalize it WAYYYY beyond what is typically seen. It's an IP address: User talk:207.28.98.189. Whomever it is has a huge page full of warnings on that talk page, but continues on despite warnings of every kind! It's not just the John Pease article either-- multiple vandalized pages that just keep on coming, despite "last chance" warnings. I am asking you to ban their ability to edit. Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 03:59, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T03:59:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2008-11-25T03:59:00.000Z-Need_help_with_a_severe_vandal_case","replies":[]}}-->

RE: Charlaine Harris page - I still think ISBNs are only useful to publishers and booksellers, and not really encyclopaedic, especially as they only identify an edition, not a book as such. I wouldn't like to see them on author pages in general. However, I did feel a qualm about wiping out someone's work, so the footnotes are a good compromise. Robina Fox (talk) 11:05, 30 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-30T11:05:00.000Z","author":"Robina Fox","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Robina_Fox-2008-11-30T11:05:00.000Z-ISBNs","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-11-30T19:34:00.000Z-Robina_Fox-2008-11-30T11:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

I think it is sometimes easier to find books using the ISBN (and I'm neither a publisher nor a bookseller). Anyway, I'm glad you're fine with the compromise. :) Aleta ^Sing 19:34, 30 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-30T19:34:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-11-30T19:34:00.000Z-Robina_Fox-2008-11-30T11:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks, Becks! =) Aleta ^Sing 22:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z-Cookie","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-12-02T20:40:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z","c-Becksguy-2008-12-02T23:04:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Head, wall: bang, bang, bang. Aleta ^Sing 20:40, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T20:40:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-02T20:40:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

lol. Me too. <sigh> — Becksguy (talk) 23:04, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T23:04:00.000Z","author":"Becksguy","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Becksguy-2008-12-02T23:04:00.000Z-Aleta-2008-12-01T22:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I do own an account with Wikipedia, I just don't use it beyond what is absolutely necessary. I sometimes go and re-edit my contributions to a talk page if I realize I erred, sometimes I have to make several revisions. If this debate continues to rage on, I might log in. I don't mind being identified by my IP address most of the time. It doesn't do much harm to me so long as I play by the rules. I've been part of Wikipedia for a good couple of years now but this is by far the biggest project I'm yet to be associated with. That answer things for you? -Alan 24.184.184.130 (talk) 00:16, 3 December 2008 (UTC) :)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-03T00:16:00.000Z","author":"24.184.184.130","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.184.184.130-2008-12-03T00:16:00.000Z-Re:_Your_message","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-12-03T23:11:00.000Z-24.184.184.130-2008-12-03T00:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, and as you are obviously aware, it is fine for you to continue to edit without logging in. There are some things only registered users can do, but since you already have an account, you can log in if and when you want or need to do so. Aleta ^Sing 23:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-03T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-03T23:11:00.000Z-24.184.184.130-2008-12-03T00:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The TALK PAGE has become semi-protected without any notification of any kind and there was nothing wrong happening. Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think this is another attempt by Collect to undermine and silence the opposition. I (this is Alan) provided an extremely valid counterargument to him yesterday and after failing to respond and turning to other debates, I find the page has coincidentally become protected. That has to be some sort of violation. For that matter, Collect outright exaggerated the number of hits for "Joe the Plumber" with the word nickname on Google: it's maybe 1/9th the total of what he claimed it to be and most of the search results I scanned were either different news outlets using the same exact words or stuff that's unrelated. I even tried without quotation marks and it still failed to produce nearly as many search results as Collect purported there to be. That too has to be a violation of some kind. Could you please unlock the page and find out who did it (I can only imagine it was Collect)

Thanks, KirkCliff2 (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-04T01:55:00.000Z","author":"KirkCliff2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KirkCliff2-2008-12-04T01:55:00.000Z-help_on_JtP","replies":[]}}-->

Nevermind. Went into history and saw what was going on. We have a bit of a different issue at hand: anon trolling and various other related issues.Seeing as you're one for trying to do the right thing all the time, could you please try and at the very least identify and warn said troublemakers?

Thanks again. KirkCliff2 (talk) 03:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-04T03:24:00.000Z","author":"KirkCliff2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KirkCliff2-2008-12-04T03:24:00.000Z-help_on_JtP","replies":[]}}-->

Yeah, I'm pretty certain the page protection had nothing to do with you, and everything to do with the troll. The protection has expired now. If anymore tolling appears while I am on, I will warn and/or block the offender as appropriate. Aleta ^Sing 23:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-04T23:20:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-04T23:20:00.000Z-help_on_JtP","replies":[]}}-->

I know the semi protection was about trolling. Anyone is welcome to add civil comments if they are intended to improve the article. But adding comments about turd-gurgling is clearly not, as it's trolling. The answer is WP:RBI. And BTW it's back. — Becksguy (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC) — PS - ANI post initiated Wikipedia:Administrators noticeboard/Incidents#Joe The Plumber article talk page —Becksguy (talk) 08:36, 5 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-05T08:15:00.000Z","author":"Becksguy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Becksguy-2008-12-05T08:15:00.000Z-help_on_JtP","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-12-06T18:29:00.000Z-Becksguy-2008-12-05T08:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see the page has been semi-protected for a week. Maybe that will be enough time for the troll to find something else to occupy his/her time... Aleta ^Sing 18:29, 6 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-06T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-06T18:29:00.000Z-Becksguy-2008-12-05T08:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

please unprotect the page Sakshama, when wikipedia is having articles for techfest, techniche and other technical fetivals. then why not a article for sakshama, a technical festival which was started from a small town of india in the year 2007 and now it is going to celebrate it's third version and it has been said as no #1 technical festival of north india. so i want to write a page for it please unprotect it. you can find more at http://sakshama.org or you can find the same communities on orkut and other social web Aashish K Mahaswary (talk) 15:36, 30 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-30T15:36:00.000Z","author":"Simplyakm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Simplyakm-2008-12-30T15:36:00.000Z-Sakshama","replies":["c-Stifle-2008-12-30T16:06:00.000Z-Simplyakm-2008-12-30T15:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Aashish K Mahaswary"}}-->

You can ignore this; I have pointed the user to WP:RFPU/WP:DRV. He didn't know how to reach an admin and so left talk messages for a page-full of recent changes editors. Stifle (talk) 16:06, 30 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-30T16:06:00.000Z","author":"Stifle","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Stifle-2008-12-30T16:06:00.000Z-Simplyakm-2008-12-30T15:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2008-12-31T18:40:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-12-30T16:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

OK, thanks, Stifle. Aleta ^Sing 18:40, 31 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-31T18:40:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2008-12-31T18:40:00.000Z-Stifle-2008-12-30T16:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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APK lives in Dupont and Gomorrah 15:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T15:27:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T15:27:00.000Z-a_flower_for_a_flower","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-11T21:33:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T15:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

Thank you, APK! It's great to see you back here!! Aleta ^Sing 21:33, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T21:33:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-11T21:33:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T15:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Heyy! Those photos came up well. However, now other photographers are responding. I need the same kind of help to upload these. Would you help with these here? APK seems like he's not in. These are sorely needed mostly for pages with no photos. Will you help? Here's Rick Danko with Paul Butterfield both could really use the photos; I wonder if, for one, the photo can be sliced in half? Or does that violate the GFDL? Once I learn how to upload stuff from Flickr (though I suspect I'd still need an Admin or someone else to check that I broke no copyright) I'll be glad to do it. But I really appreciate your help. It really bugs me to work on articles with no photo; almost looks like I never get anything accomplished! :Somehow the links didn't come through that I left on APK's talk page yesterday, so here again, for Rick Danko with Paul Butterfield: [2] Johnny Winter: [3] Stephen Stills: [4] Canned Heat: [5] John Sebastian [6] The Jealous Girlfriends [7] Thanks. --leahtwosaints (talk) 21:35, 13 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-13T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-13T21:35:00.000Z-Another_photo_imposition","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-13T22:00:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-13T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

I actually have not done any uploading from Flickr myself. It's something I'll have to figure out how to do. Aleta ^Sing 22:00, 13 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-13T22:00:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-13T22:00:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-13T21:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I and my fellow editors are facing a deadlock on a issue of removing/toning down few lines on 'Allegations of Human Rights violation against the Indian Army' under 'criticism of the operation' section in Operation Blue Star article, concerns include WP:NPOV, WP:SOAP & WP:V, the summary of dispute can be found at [8]. I would request you to kindly go through the article and please let us know your views/opinion at the talk page of the article so that npov, balance and undue weight concerns may be looked into and a consensual solution may be found. Thanks LegalEagle (talk) 06:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-14T06:12:00.000Z","author":"Legaleagle86","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Legaleagle86-2009-01-14T06:12:00.000Z-Request_for_opinion","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-14T20:37:00.000Z-Legaleagle86-2009-01-14T06:12:00.000Z"],"displayName":"LegalEagle"}}-->

It looks like you've already gotten several options, with which I mostly concur. Aleta ^Sing 20:37, 14 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-14T20:37:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-14T20:37:00.000Z-Legaleagle86-2009-01-14T06:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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adding this line so automatic archiving will move it in due time Aleta ^Sing 21:54, 20 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-20T21:54:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-20T21:54:00.000Z-'tis_the_season...","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Aleta, I have found some great photos on Flickr which the photographers are willing to share with us! However, if they do not upload them to Creative Commons themselves, us lowly editors must have an Admin. verify that they have given consent for us to do so. If you are not up to it, can you please refer me to another Admin? We really need some of these photos, like Ry Cooder, and some other great ones. Please, let me know!! --leahtwosaints (talk) 22:36, 9 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-09T22:36:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-09T22:36:00.000Z-Happy_to_ask_your_assistance_(easy_one?)","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-10T18:21:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-09T22:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Leah, I'll be glad to verify it, if you can point me to where I can see that they have consented. Where should I look? Aleta ^Sing 18:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-10T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-10T18:21:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-09T22:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

OK, the first set is from a photographer who can't figure out how to upload photos of his set, "Counting Crows @ Ancienne Bruxelles" from July 3, 2008. (I don't know how to upload either.. I'm hoping YOU do..but we have his happy permission: here are the ones I asked for of 1) the band, 2) David Immerglück, on guitar 3)Dan Vickery (the second two are band members) ‎ [9], [10], [11] The owner's name is Rutger Hesseling- and you can see they are good. If you need to email me for his email of consent I will send you my email address.

Another photo of David Lindley is here from "Art Guy", who also, if you click the Creative Commons link at the bottom of the page, gives permission- in fact, he gave me permission for all 4 of his photos, but I don't see the GFDL approval on the others yet. See: [12] (his photo set is called "In Concert". If you can help with those it would make me very happy :)!!

--I screwed up, and first, said the third Counting Crows photo is of another band member. It's of Dan Vickery, another guitarist. Also, someone actually redirected a page for him to the band page. He has no page. How to take that link out from the top of the page? --leahtwosaints (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-11T16:29:00.000Z-Happy_to_ask_your_assistance_(easy_one?)","replies":["c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:39:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-11T16:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hey Leah. For Dan Vickery's redirect, go here and remove the redirect (by "editing this page") and replacing it with the article content you've written for his bio (if you've written it already, that is). I'll upload those flickr photos for you. They appear to be properly licensed. APK lives in Dupont and Gomorrah 16:39, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T16:39:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:39:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-11T16:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:54:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:39:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

Ok, I uploaded the 4 pictures to Commons. I assume it worked even though the images aren't visible yet. I'll check again within the next 30 minutes to see if the upload worked. Look here for the 4 images. Cheers. APK lives in Dupont and Gomorrah 16:54, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T16:54:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:54:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-11T21:32:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

So that takes care of it, yes? Thanks, APK! Did he do everything you needed, Leah? Aleta ^Sing 21:32, 11 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-11T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-11T21:32:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-11T16:54:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Yes, he was wonderful. I just now need someone with half his kindness and knowledge for these other photos.. the number is lining up! What he did was upload them first to my own talk page, and then to the Wikimedia Commons. At the bottom of EVERY page in Flickr, is an explanation to the photographer of how to designate photos as being OK for non-commercial use, only for this purpose, and giving them attribution as owners of the photo. It's the uploading part I don't "get" yet.. some of the photographers do get it, some don't, though there is an upload tool both there and in the Commons- in theory, the photographer should really upload it, but it breaks no laws for you to do so as long as they've designated the photo OK to use. (I always contact them, anyway). --leahtwosaints (talk) 20:52, 17 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-17T20:52:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-17T20:52:00.000Z-Happy_to_ask_your_assistance_(easy_one?)","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-20T21:56:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-17T20:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's great that we have folks of diverse interests and skills who can do all these different tasks! :) Aleta ^Sing 21:56, 20 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-20T21:56:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-20T21:56:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-17T20:52:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I e-mailed the guy who took those pictures of Pullen, and turns out he was wondering why we had deleted his picture. :-) He changed the licensing default on his flickr account, so it changed the license on that picture we had used. We got it taken care of though. APK is like a firecracker. He makes it hot. 22:02, 20 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-20T22:02:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-20T22:02:00.000Z-Pullen_pic","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-20T22:28:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-20T22:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

I'm glad we you and he got it straightened out! Aleta ^Sing 22:28, 20 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-20T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-20T22:28:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-01-20T22:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The phrase "the beloved" occurs frequently in her posts; and she occasionally clarifies that said beloved is Fiona. See, for example, this entry]. (Some of the posts are undoubtedly f-locked.) --Orange Mike | Talk 21:41, 21 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-21T21:41:00.000Z","author":"Orangemike","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:41:00.000Z-Tanya_Huff_and_Fiona_Patton","replies":["c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:50:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:41:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Orange Mike"}}-->

It's all over her LJ; I don't have time to cherrypick the posts, but she's out as all get-out. I'll add a couple more links like this. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:50, 21 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-21T21:50:00.000Z","author":"Orangemike","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:50:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:54:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Orange Mike"}}-->

Sorry, it's an LJ-ism. "Friends-locked": semi-private posts, only open to reading by fellow LJ-ers who are on your friends list. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:54, 21 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-21T21:54:00.000Z","author":"Orangemike","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:54:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T21:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Orange Mike"}}-->

I see her at SF conventions, and she's so "out" that the question never occurred to me. --Orange Mike | Talk 22:07, 21 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-21T22:07:00.000Z","author":"Orangemike","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Orangemike-2009-01-21T22:07:00.000Z-Tanya_Huff_and_Fiona_Patton","replies":["c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-23T07:07:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T22:07:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Orange Mike"}}-->

Bizarre. I kept wondering why the men I dated I basically just wanted to hang out with, and then they died, or something! Meanwhile, (I'm not kidding, I'm obliviously reading Tanya Huff, MZB, Andre Norton, Octavia Butler, and Ann Rice.. think I got unresolved ah.. issues? Aw hell, and I live down the street from Dupont and Gommorah! Seriously. --leahtwosaints (talk) 07:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-23T07:07:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-23T07:07:00.000Z-Orangemike-2009-01-21T22:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-24T21:38:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-23T07:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hehe, I don't think your enjoyment of those writers necessarily says anything about you beyond your taste in literature, but what do I know? I either enjoy them as well, or figure I'll get around to reading them one day and probably enjoying them then! Aleta ^Sing 21:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-24T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-24T21:38:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-23T07:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. You may be interested in a centralised discussion on the subject of "lists of unusual things" to be found here. SP-KP (talk) 17:36, 27 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-27T17:36:00.000Z","author":"SP-KP","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SP-KP-2009-01-27T17:36:00.000Z-A_centralised_discussion_which_may_interest_you","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-28T18:46:00.000Z-SP-KP-2009-01-27T17:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you! Aleta ^Sing 18:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-28T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-28T18:46:00.000Z-SP-KP-2009-01-27T17:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Q: I made a page for Dan Vickrey with the help of APK, but don't understand how to place a biography tag on the talk sheet. What IS "nested" anyway?! --leahtwosaints (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-30T01:15:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-30T01:15:00.000Z-Q_&_A?","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-30T01:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

A: The easiest thing to do (what I always do) is go to Template:WPBiography/doc and copy what is in the box, paste it into the talk page, and then delete what is irrelevant. I have done this now with Talk:Dan Vickrey, so you can look at that code. Nesting is only relevant when there are multiple banners on a page, so don't worry about it yet. Just get down the basic banner use first, and worry about nesting later if a particular talk page needs it. (You've probably seen some pages where only part of the banner shows at first; those have been nested.) Does this help? :) Aleta ^Sing 17:59, 30 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-30T17:59:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-01-30T17:59:00.000Z-Leahtwosaints-2009-01-30T01:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Leahtwosaints-2009-02-10T01:16:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-01-30T17:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, it helps. leahtwosaints (talk) 01:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-10T01:16:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-02-10T01:16:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-01-30T17:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, take a look please at one of the last quotes -towards the very end of her page- about putting on a show featuring gay and lesbian people, and the response that Carly Simon gives. Would she qualify at least as a supporter of GLBT issues? I've seen other comments by her, more personal, but can't recall where, about relationship she had for some time, too, with a woman, so, just throwing it out here. :) leahtwosaints (talk) 01:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-10T01:14:00.000Z","author":"Leahtwosaints","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Leahtwosaints-2009-02-10T01:14:00.000Z-Carly_Simon","replies":[]}}-->

From what I understand, this is similar to The Iliad or The Odyssey -- all are tales/stories that have been published in book format, but are technically not novels. However, if a novel based on the tale is in some way separately notable and deserving of an article, I would count that as under the project. That's why I removed the Novel WikiProject tag. BTW, someone questioned your assessment at Wikipedia:WikiProject Novels/Assessment, which is how I was led there. María (habla conmigo) 21:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-19T21:38:00.000Z","author":"Yllosubmarine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yllosubmarine-2009-02-19T21:38:00.000Z-re:_Torikaebaya_Monogatari","replies":["c-Yllosubmarine-2009-02-19T21:51:00.000Z-Yllosubmarine-2009-02-19T21:38:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Mar\u00eda"}}-->

I would say not. Again, the concept of "novel" didn't exist eight hundred years ago, and although it may have been published in novel format since then, the article is for the tale itself. María (habla conmigo) 21:51, 19 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-19T21:51:00.000Z","author":"Yllosubmarine","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yllosubmarine-2009-02-19T21:51:00.000Z-Yllosubmarine-2009-02-19T21:38:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Mar\u00eda"}}-->

Thanks for the kind thoughts - I'll do my best to get well soon :) Grutness...wha? 00:11, 20 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-20T00:11:00.000Z","author":"Grutness","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grutness-2009-02-20T00:11:00.000Z-Re_health_wishes","replies":[]}}-->

Welcome, and thank you for experimenting with Wikipedia. Your test on the page Stalinbear worked, and it has been reverted or removed. Please take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox instead. Thank you. The bear articles are cute but they are creating work for admins that have deleted them all Rtphokie (talk) 01:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-20T01:02:00.000Z","author":"Rtphokie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rtphokie-2009-02-20T01:02:00.000Z-February_2009","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-02-20T01:34:00.000Z-Rtphokie-2009-02-20T01:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Look again. I am an admin who deleted Stalinbear; I did not create that piece of vandalism. Aleta ^Sing 01:34, 20 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-20T01:34:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-02-20T01:34:00.000Z-Rtphokie-2009-02-20T01:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please refer to Puerto Rico Department of Education for veracity. Speedy deletion was suggested after creator added the link to a blog. Adding this obeyed to the article being orphaned. Advertising would qualify for asking/suggesting readers were to find the books, etc. Article speaks about a very real person who has contributed to Puerto Rican letters, literary genres and is verifiable. Children's book s by this author have been acquired by the Puerto Rico Department of Education, and the Cronicas del Barrio Saga is at present in negotiations for comercial movies both in Hispanic and American markets.. Please verify. Links that may not be useful have been deleted, unless you consider they should be present.—Preceding unsigned comment added by Writersaga (talk • contribs)

I'm not sure what you are asking me to do. The article has not been speedily deleted, but the possibilty of deletion is being discussed in AfD. I suggest you comment in that page if you wish to prevent deletion. I should point out that just because a person is a real author, she is not automatically considered "notable" in WP terms. This is a topic about which I do not know anything, and I think I made the most minor of formatting changes to clean up the way the article looks. Aleta ^Sing 19:29, 22 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-22T19:29:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-02-22T19:29:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_of_Ruth_Thorne_Article","replies":[]}}-->

Please sign my contact archive. --cooljuno411 06:41, 27 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-27T06:41:00.000Z","author":"Cooljuno411","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cooljuno411-2009-02-27T06:41:00.000Z-contact_Archive","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:27:00.000Z-Cooljuno411-2009-02-27T06:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Done, but you'll have to figure out your own list of keywords. Aleta ^Sing 00:27, 28 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-28T00:27:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:27:00.000Z-Cooljuno411-2009-02-27T06:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Come on, it doesn't seem like you to do such a thing, having substantial knowledge of Wikipedia's CSD policies. Anyways, keep up with the good edits. If you wish to reply, reply on my talk page. Thanks. ...Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 04:27, 26 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-26T04:27:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:27:00.000Z-Re:Yes_On_Prop_2","replies":["c-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:33:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

Sigh. I know, I know. I misread the page's history, believing you made the page, rather than deleting it. Forgive my impertinence. Did you get a fix on who indeed made the page? ...Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 04:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-26T04:33:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:33:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:40:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

Ah, I just saw that. I apologize for the false accusation. Time to gear up and try to cut down advertising, eh? ...Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 04:40, 26 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-26T04:40:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:40:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Palindrome-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

Quick request. Could you put the tag, "This article may be too long to comfortably read and navigate...etc" on my user page? Kind of a bit of irony. Either way, thanks. ...Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 02:18, 27 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-26T04:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:26:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

Why? You can add that yourself. :) Aleta ^Sing 00:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-28T00:26:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:26:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-27T02:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Palindrome-2009-02-28T01:55:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Pshh, I was busy :]. Oh well, I did it....Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 01:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-28T01:55:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-02-28T01:55:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-02-28T00:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-02-28T04:24:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-28T01:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

<grin> BTW, I like your list of palindromes. Where did you get that humongous one, or did you string it together yourself? Aleta ^Sing 04:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-28T04:24:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-02-28T04:24:00.000Z-Palindrome-2009-02-28T01:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Palindrome-2009-03-03T01:03:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-02-28T04:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

The humongous palindromic sentence was actually compiled by Peter Norvis with the assistance of a computer and a reedeeculously large dictionary. Gotta love palindromes :] ...Ω...^..¿TooT?.._..¡StatS!.. 01:03, 3 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-03T01:03:00.000Z","author":"Palindrome","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Palindrome-2009-03-03T01:03:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-02-28T04:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"...\u03a9..."}}-->

The WikiProject Novels Newsletter Issue 29 - March 2009

Archives  |  Tip Line  |  Editors The Novels WikiProject Newsletter Issue 28 - November 2008 From the Coordinators As you can see, this is about as bare-bones of a newsletter as you can get. The reason for this is that the newsletter has and will be inactive, but we wanted to get a last one out detailing the current state of our project. The truth is that WP:NOVELS is in bad shape. Only a few editors are active in editing inside of our project. Our Peer Review section, this newsletter, our task forces, and our collaboration center are all dead; although a collab is picked each month, not a lot of work seems to occur. Out of these ashes, we are proposing that the project start an A-class review system. This will hopefully bring people together for reviewing, and will perhaps get the project some sorely-needed attention from others who can come in and help rehabilitate it. Final plans have not been established, but we will see about getting a mass message out to all of the project members if/when it is set up; discussion of this can be conducted on the General Forum. This newsletter will probably be the last we will have for a long time, as neither Ed nor Kevinalewis have the time to create these every month. However, if any editor is willing to step up and create one, we would be glad to assist you in making it up. If you don't want to create a newsletter, but would still like to help, there are plenty of things that can be done. As detailed on the right, the Novels Peer Review section has four articles needing attention, but only one review has been done; one from May, one from November, and one from December have not had any comments left on them. Please consider helping out there; even a 15-minute review would help. Your coords, –Kevinalewis (talk · contribs) and the_ed17 (talk · contribs) Member news Talk between Kevinalewis and the_ed17, the two project coordinators, has led to us deciding to suspend elections for coordinators indefinitely. With the exceedingly low amount of participation in the last elections (five total votes), we do not feel that it is worth it to try to set up another election. 20 positions remain unfilled at the Job Centre. Members who are active project contributors are encouraged to apply even if they can only do a position for a short time. Collaboration of the Month This month's Collaboration has been selected by popular vote and is : Shantaram (novel). The next collaboration is due for selection in April, so cast your vote. Peer review and assessment news Peer Reviews are still open for four articles – Sector General, Petals of Blood, Scenes of Clerical Life, and Flowers for Algernon. Feel free to submit any novel-related article that you are working on for review, but please consider stopping by and reviewing an article; we need more reviewers for our articles (there is a PR that has been open since May)! – the_ed17 (talk) Announcements and open tasks WikiProject Novels • (inc. novellas, novelettes & short stories) Announcements and open tasks (watch • edit • discuss • changes) → Please help with tagging articles! Critique (Featured article): 33 achieved Novels WikiProject Peer reviews: • Sector General • Petals of Blood • Flowers for Algernon Improve: Oberon Old and New • The Age of Reason • Furies of Calderon • Wolf Brother • The Monk • The English Patient • Bones of the Moon Create: To the Vanishing Point • Spoilt City Recently a new worklist had been created and quietly arrived, the Cleanup listing which gives a fairly comprehensive hit list of "novels" related articles that have been tagged for something or other. Since then a new Article alerts listing has also been added of more topic and "urgent" items worthy of our attention.

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I was asking because I genuinely wanted to know whether you have you prove the date of birth because so many entries don't have ref against DOB, e.g. Jimmy carter, Richard Branson and Terry Gilliam. OK Louis Armstrong does but that's because even he wasn't sure when he was born. Then I thought, unless you can give an actual scan of the person's birth certificate, how do you prove anyone's DOB? 'Ref a reputable newspaper article that states the DOB', I hear you say. Well fine, but have they seen the birth certificate or is their info as unreliable as everyone else's. I think the latter. Johnalexwood (talk) 10:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z","author":"Johnalexwood","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z-David_Gaiman","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-10T15:47:00.000Z-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah, ok I see your question/point. As to that, well, I suppose the potentially flip-sounding, but best-we-can-do, answer is that WP is about verifiability rather than truth. You are right, just because the NYTimes, for instance, says John Doe was born on a certain day, it is not necessarily true. It is however the best we can do. If there is a discrepancy - the NYTimes says one day, and the London Times says another - we say that with citations to both. Aleta ^Sing 15:47, 10 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-10T15:47:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-10T15:47:00.000Z-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I see you are a Monty Python fan. Cool, so am I!! I have been helping out the production company making this documentary to mark their 40th anniv [13] by trying to find fans, as well as people who hate Monty Python, to be interviewed for the program, or for them to be sent a DV tape so they can record a video diary about their love/hate of it. I have been finding some people on Twitter but when I saw your 'I am a Monty Python fan' badge, it made me realise that WP could be a good source of potential interviewees. So what's the easiest way to reach all those with that badge on their userpage, or at least, how do I do a search which would show me all those WP editors who are Python fans? Johnalexwood (talk) 10:10, 10 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z","author":"Johnalexwood","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z-Monty_Python_Documentary","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-10T15:52:00.000Z-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

The userbox puts users into Category:Wikipedians who like Monty Python. Good luck with your project! :) Aleta ^Sing 15:52, 10 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-10T15:52:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-10T15:52:00.000Z-Johnalexwood-2009-03-10T10:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Can you please help expand the article Non-monogamous opposite-sex marriage. Thank you : ]--cooljuno411 [sign my contact archive] 22:26, 12 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-12T22:26:00.000Z","author":"Cooljuno411","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cooljuno411-2009-03-12T22:26:00.000Z-Non-monogamous_opposite-sex_marriage","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-13T03:03:00.000Z-Cooljuno411-2009-03-12T22:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, sorry, this does not work at all. The title does not even mean in standard English what you are trying to define it to be. Aleta ^Sing 03:03, 13 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-13T03:03:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-13T03:03:00.000Z-Cooljuno411-2009-03-12T22:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

any chance of a pic? --Merkedall (talk) 23:42, 15 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-15T23:42:00.000Z","author":"Merkedall","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Merkedall-2009-03-15T23:42:00.000Z-pic_of_Wood_Cudweed?","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-15T23:44:00.000Z-Merkedall-2009-03-15T23:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not from me, sorry. I don't know anything about it. I was just cleaning the article up a little bit. Aleta ^Sing 23:44, 15 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-15T23:44:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-15T23:44:00.000Z-Merkedall-2009-03-15T23:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

See here. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 00:56, 17 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-17T00:56:00.000Z","author":"Wtmitchell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wtmitchell-2009-03-17T00:56:00.000Z-Responded_on_my_talk_page","replies":[],"displayName":"Boracay Bill"}}-->

She visited the Unitarians. I thought you might enjoy this. ;-)

P.S. I found a great picture of the old All Souls Church, Unitarian location. APK How you durrin? 22:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-19T22:16:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-03-19T22:16:00.000Z-Betty_Butterfield","replies":[],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

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Hi. I'm thinking of prodding Christianity in Haiti as OR, badly referenced and a general mess, like all the other stuff created by this curious "project". I'd welcome a second opinion because I'm working my way through all their articles and I want to be sure my perspective isn't skewed. I managed to salvage Jewish clothing by a wholesale rewrite but I can't see my way through to sorting out Christianity in Haiti in the same way. What do you think? andy (talk) 08:21, 22 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-22T08:21:00.000Z","author":"Andyjsmith","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andyjsmith-2009-03-22T08:21:00.000Z-Another_\"school_project\"","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-22T13:06:00.000Z-Andyjsmith-2009-03-22T08:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"andy"}}-->

Go ahead and take it to afd as well. Then when it gets deleted, no one can say there wasn't concensus to do it. I had thought Jewish clothing might be salvageable with much work, but it may be the only one of the bunch. Actually, there's a stub or two that could probably stay. Aleta ^Sing 13:06, 22 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-22T13:06:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-22T13:06:00.000Z-Andyjsmith-2009-03-22T08:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andyjsmith-2009-03-22T14:15:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-03-22T13:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, I'll do that. andy (talk) 14:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-22T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Andyjsmith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andyjsmith-2009-03-22T14:15:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-03-22T13:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"andy"}}-->

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There is enough evidence to delete it already. No reason for the joker to have extra kicks by distracting more people, but upon your wish I voted. - 7-bubёn >t 00:06, 25 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-25T00:06:00.000Z","author":"SemBubenny","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SemBubenny-2009-03-25T00:06:00.000Z-tri-ism","replies":[]}}-->

I don't know how we missed this, but you've called the page Lusitanian Dieties instead of Lusitanian Deities... I'm not sure how this can be fixed. Paul S (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-27T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Paul S","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Paul_S-2009-03-27T20:44:00.000Z-Lusitanian_Deities","replies":[]}}-->

Ouch. Sorry about that. I've fixed it now. Since the Lusitanian deities did not speak English, perhaps they will forgive me. :) (For future reference, you can use the "move" tab at the top of the page to fix things like that in most cases.) 23:39, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Regarding your comment at this DRV, the close timing is an odd coincidence. I always feel gratified when another editor agrees with a comment I've made. Thanks. Flatscan (talk) 04:09, 30 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-30T04:09:00.000Z","author":"Flatscan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Flatscan-2009-03-30T04:09:00.000Z-Buddhism_and_the_body_DRV","replies":[]}}-->

Ok, maybe I was too hasty in reverting it, but I am serious about having the article protected, it gets way too many edits by exthusiastic fans who have no interest in keeping the article encyclopaedic. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Quan_Yin_Method&diff=280760991&oldid=280757702 Brutaldeluxe (talk) 01:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-31T01:00:00.000Z","author":"Brutaldeluxe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brutaldeluxe-2009-03-31T01:00:00.000Z-Quan_Yin","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-03-31T01:27:00.000Z-Brutaldeluxe-2009-03-31T01:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

It is a mess, no doubt. I'm not sure if protection is what's needed or what exactly is. I could protect it, but since I'm unsure about it, I'm not going to do so. I suggest posting at WP:RFPP. Some other admin may be as certain as you that that's the best course of action. Aleta ^Sing 01:27, 31 March 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-03-31T01:27:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-03-31T01:27:00.000Z-Brutaldeluxe-2009-03-31T01:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have contributed, in however small a way, to an article on this important topic. My work here is done. Aleta ^Sing 04:42, 1 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-01T04:42:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-04-01T04:42:00.000Z-My_work_here_is_done.","replies":[]}}-->

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Hah! Thanks, APK. I like cakes. :) Aleta ^Sing 15:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-02T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-04-02T15:15:00.000Z-Baked_goods","replies":[]}}-->

I had heard countless rumors of your beauty (the townspeople, they are fond of gossiping), but never thought I might be fortunate enough to witness it myself. Thanks to the mystical and demonic powers of the interwebz, I, Sir Lancelot, have witnessed the fairest maiden in the Kingdom of Wikipedia. APK thinks he's ready for his closeup 02:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T02:52:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T02:52:00.000Z-Hello_me_lady","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:24:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T02:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

Why Sir Lancelot, you do know how to flatter a lady! Aleta ^Sing 03:24, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:24:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:24:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T02:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:31:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

To prove how clueless I am in regards to literature, I had to google me Lady's name. The first thing that popped up was this picture ---->. APK thinks he's ready for his closeup 03:31, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:31:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:31:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:36:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:31:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

Did you find The Lady of Shalott? I love the poem, and Loreena McKennitt has made a beautiful musical setting of it. (I, as you may have guessed, am doing a bit of locking the barn door after the horse is gone.)Aleta ^Sing 03:36, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:36:00.000Z","author":"Aleta","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:36:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:40:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did, but my roomie is still trying to explain to me what the story means. ha. Lock and bolt. APK has your back. APK thinks he's ready for his closeup 03:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:40:00.000Z","author":"AgnosticPreachersKid","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:40:00.000Z-Aleta-2009-04-05T03:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T03:49:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:40:00.000Z"],"displayName":"APK"}}-->

See if you can find the song on youtube! It's got to be there. Sigh...why do some people have to be so nasty? LadyofShalott ^Sing 03:49, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:49:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T03:49:00.000Z-AgnosticPreachersKid-2009-04-05T03:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks. I've been around for a little while though. I just changed clothes, so to speak. LadyofShalott ^Weave 03:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:52:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T03:52:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2009-04-05T03:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I knew that; I must not have waved my 'cheerful sarcasm' sign enthusiastically enough.  :) -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 11:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T11:14:00.000Z","author":"FisherQueen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-FisherQueen-2009-04-05T11:14:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2009-04-05T03:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T12:25:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2009-04-05T11:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh! heehee, ok. :) I was thinking you didn't recognize me. LadyofShalott ^Weave 12:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T12:25:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T12:25:00.000Z-FisherQueen-2009-04-05T11:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		ALLST☆Recho's Rainbow Glass Dildo Award
		I hereby award you the Rainbow Glass Dildo Award because it complements your new clothes and because it's useful for hitting vandals over the head with. Sincerely, - ✰ALLST☆R✰ echo 03:56, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T03:56:00.000Z","author":"Allstarecho","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T03:56:00.000Z-April_2009","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:07:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T03:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ALLST\u2606R"}}-->

Thanks, ASE! Wow, now I have a matched pair of them! LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:07, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:07:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:07:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T03:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Congratulations to my very fairest lady. I know you will wear your "new clothes" with honor and grace. — Becksguy (talk) 04:34, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:34:00.000Z","author":"Becksguy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Becksguy-2009-04-05T04:34:00.000Z-April_2009","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:38:00.000Z-Becksguy-2009-04-05T04:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, Becks!! LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:38, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:38:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:38:00.000Z-Becksguy-2009-04-05T04:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey to anyone who watches my talk page: can you figure out why the link to my talk page is not working in my signature? I can't figure out what I've done to it. LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:05, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:05:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:05:00.000Z-Help_request","replies":["c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:14:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, look at the code, [[User_Talk:LadyofShalott|<font color="#0095B6">^{<small>'''Weave'''</small>}</font>. You need to close off [[User_Talk:LadyofShalott with closing brackets:]]. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 04:14, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:14:00.000Z","author":"Allstarecho","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:14:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:19:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:14:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ALLST\u2606R"}}-->

But the word "weave" is what is supposed to go to the talk page, and I do have closing brackets after that. I'm confused. (I didn't think I was changing anything other than my name and the color, but somehow I've mucked it up!) LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:19:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:19:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:25:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

It should be like this: [[User:LadyofShalott|<b><font color="#990099">LadyofShalott</font></b>]] [[User_Talk:LadyofShalott|<font color="#0095B6">^{<small>'''Weave'''</small>}]]</font> ACTUALLY, it is working.. it just doesn't work on the talk page.. for obvious reasons.. you're already on the talk page it links to so it doesn't link. Put it on your userpage instead of your talk page and you'll see it does link. - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 04:25, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:25:00.000Z","author":"Allstarecho","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:25:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:30:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ALLST\u2606R"}}-->

LOL, oooooooooops! Thanks for figuring that out for me, Alstar! I feel silly now. LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:30, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:30:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:30:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:44:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

You should feel silly for making me feel silly! lol Took me a minute to figure it out too! - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 04:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T04:44:00.000Z","author":"Allstarecho","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Allstarecho-2009-04-05T04:44:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-05T04:30:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"ALLST\u2606R"}}-->

Regarding: "Simple copyedits they may have been, but you need not do them."

I understood this to mean, although they were simple copyedits, I didn't need to make them (ie. they weren't necessary). Given your response to my correction, I think you may have meant to say: I need to avoid making them (ie need to NOT do them)? I'm sorry I misunderstood. The grammar is off in that sentence and I was confused. Sorry my effort to fix it didn't work out and I'm sorry for the confusion.

As far as correcting typos, I hesitate to name names but there are numerous editors (including admins) who appreciate these corrections being made. I'm just one of the rogue editors who tries to help out. This is a wiki after all and we're meant to collaborate. So showing common courtesy and decency towards one another is a good thing. Assuming good faith is also a key guideline. No need to leave further messages on my page thanks, I've had quite enough from you and your gang of bobbleheads. Thank you very much. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:22, 17 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-17T04:22:00.000Z","author":"ChildofMidnight","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ChildofMidnight-2009-04-17T04:22:00.000Z-Just_so_we're_clear","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-17T04:33:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-04-17T04:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Uh huh. If I had a little spelling error, I personally would not mind its being corrected. However, not everyone feels the same way, it is against protocol, and in the instance in question, you entirely changed the wording (even if you had preserved the meaning, which you did not). LadyofShalott ^Weave 04:33, 17 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-17T04:33:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-17T04:33:00.000Z-ChildofMidnight-2009-04-17T04:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-ChildofMidnight-2009-04-17T04:43:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-17T04:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

My dear lady, I'm afraid the meaning of your statement wasn't clear. I suspect most readers will understand it to mean what I thought it did. "Need not do them" is not the same a "do not do them". Perhaps I am just tripped up by some sort of Olde English. I will continue to assume good faith and show courtesy to my fellow editors. But I have noted your objections. ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:43, 17 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-17T04:43:00.000Z","author":"ChildofMidnight","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ChildofMidnight-2009-04-17T04:43:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-17T04:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

...how about this? I made this myself! (That is, the goods and the picture.) Now how's about that vote? Drmies (talk) 03:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-07T03:24:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:24:00.000Z-eh...ahem...","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-07T03:30:00.000Z-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

That looks more like it! A little weird, but probably not bad. As for the vote... I'm just watching for now how things develop. I think it's probably headed towards a keep decision anyway regardless of if I change my merge. LadyofShalott ^Weave 03:30, 7 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-07T03:30:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-07T03:30:00.000Z-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:47:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-07T03:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

It is a little weird, and it is not bad (my 3-yr old daughter liked it--but she's a bacon maniac, I am embarrassed to say). As you can tell from the shine, it's ganache, which I thought would be preferable over simply dipping it in melted chocolate. But next time I'm using some really expensive, really good chocolate, not that *&^% from the supermarket. And I hope you're right about the AfD. A lot of hard work went into that article (almost none of it mine) and I do believe in its viability and notability. Oh, we have something in common: I also am a firm, and staunch, and diligent proponent of the serial comma! Drmies (talk) 03:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-07T03:47:00.000Z","author":"Drmies","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:47:00.000Z-LadyofShalott-2009-04-07T03:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Allstarecho-2009-04-09T02:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

I must say, as a bacon lover and as a chocolate lover.. YUCK! - ✰ALLST☆R✰ ^echo 02:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-09T02:50:00.000Z","author":"Allstarecho","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Allstarecho-2009-04-09T02:50:00.000Z-Drmies-2009-04-07T03:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-09T02:51:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-09T02:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"ALLST\u2606R"}}-->

LOL I'm actually tempted to try it sometime. LadyofShalott ^Weave 02:51, 9 April 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-09T02:51:00.000Z","author":"LadyofShalott","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-LadyofShalott-2009-04-09T02:51:00.000Z-Allstarecho-2009-04-09T02:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->