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Hello Karanacs, I think your hook wording is an excellent proposal. It is located here [1] and if you have any further comments I appreciate it. Date issue was also resolved, it was very close to midnight so now its in 29th rather then 30th. Thank you for your proposed version of the hook, I had made it longer to capture the meaning, please check it further if you wish. Thanks. Wikidās ॐ 04:34, 2 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-02T04:34:00.000Z","author":"Wikidas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wikidas-2008-08-02T04:34:00.000Z-DYK_Frank_Hardy","replies":[],"displayName":"Wikid\u0101s \u0950"}}-->

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Hi Karanacs; I thought over your kind offer to help during any mentorship of Ottava Rima, and I think your input would be an excellent. Jb has already indicated a willingness to help, but I see he will be travelling and busy IRL, and I think at this point it would be unfair to drag him into such a committment. I havn't spoken to Ottava in a few days, and he hasn't yet explicitly agreed to such an arrangement. Still, I'm only yet reading up on the process, but I have to say it does seem do-able, I also agree that Ottava has an ability worth making an effort for. He, it'll be interesting, at the very least.... Best. ( Ceoil ^sláinte 00:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T00:25:00.000Z","author":"Ceoil","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ceoil-2008-08-05T00:25:00.000Z-Mentorship","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-05T03:37:00.000Z-Ceoil-2008-08-05T00:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've never been involved in any way with mentorship, so I may need to be guided as well. I've known a lot of people who communicate in a similar style to Ottava, so I at least understand where he's coming from (which doesn't mean I don't also get a bit frustrated at times). Let me know what help you need and I'll do my best. Karanacs (talk) 03:37, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T03:37:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-05T03:37:00.000Z-Ceoil-2008-08-05T00:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs, see Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Proposal to unblock User:Ottava Rima early. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:53, 6 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-06T02:53:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-06T02:53:00.000Z-Mentorship","replies":[]}}-->

On 5 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Convention of 1836, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

As a Texan, I'm proud you've documented, in an excellent fashion, an integral part of our State's history. Thanks for making Wikipedia better -- CB (ö) 07:23, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T07:23:00.000Z","author":"Collegebookworm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Collegebookworm-2008-08-05T07:23:00.000Z-DYK?_nom_(Convention_of_1836)","replies":[],"displayName":"CB ("}}-->

And wanting to beg a favor from you. I've got three articles I'm hoping to bring to FAC after I get back (be about August 17 or so until I'm home and able to handle an FAC). They are Stigand, Go Man Go, and William de St-Calais. They've all been PR'd, and basically need good copyedits before I bring them before the slavering hordes at FAC. Can you look them over for jargon, etc, as well as fix my prose? It's not a "must do asap" but it'd help a bunch if they were looked at in the next couple of weeks or so. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:44, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T13:44:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-05T13:44:00.000Z-About_to_be_scarce...","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-05T13:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Of course! Sorry I hadn't gotten to Go Man Go yet. On top of everything else, we had to prep for an uninvited guest (which has now decided not to visit). Karanacs (talk) 14:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-05T13:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-05T14:20:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z","c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-05T18:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm SOOO glad I'm not in Houston anymore. I'll take blizzards any day over hurricanes. 19 years on the Gulf Coast was enough. And thank you, there is no hurry, they won't be able to go up until I get back mid-August. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:20, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-05T14:20:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

ouch, when it rains, it pours !! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:00, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T18:00:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-05T18:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-05T14:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-08-05T18:12:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-05T18:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

As someone who went through three direct hits in 2004 within three months, I feel your pain. Juliancolton and Hink can have all that stupid bullshit. Hurricanes suck ass (or blow, however you like to term it). --Moni3 (talk) 18:12, 5 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-05T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-05T18:12:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-05T18:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-08T15:06:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-05T18:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ha, I dare you put that review on a FAC :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T15:06:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-08T15:06:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-05T18:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• In here, "Sir Walter Scott, who favored the bildungsroman and open plots, recounted a friend explaining why" needs to be changed. Flynn states: "An old lady of Sir Walter Scott's acquaintance explained why she enjoyed hearing Sir Charles Crandison read aloud:". Sir Walter Scott did not. Thus, the first quote was reattributed to Scott (its from Flynn), and the second as a "recounting" although it is directly from the unnamed old woman. I cannot edit this myself as it can be construed as problematic in 100s of ways.

• This needs to restored. Versimilitude is a literary device in which an author passes off the work as the character's own. The original title of the novel is The History of Sir Charles Grandison: in a Series of Letters published from the Originals. the "series of letters published from the original" makes it Verisimilitude.

• This is not grammatically correct. In the current form, it reads: "and, on the prompting of those like Johnson, dropped this framing device from the second edition." This is not an independent clause and would need a subject to make it so.

• The line with "The psychological realism of Richardson's earlier work gives way to the expression of exemplars." must be dropped. It was added without sourcing to back it up. The phrase with Charles's somewhat pacifist method" needs to be returned to "peaceful" based on standard adjective usage. "Carol Flynn is not alone in finding" this is not verified by the paragraph. It is not about critical response, but about the difference between one character's "type" of goodness and another's. "Hagstrum p. 131"</ref>" Hagrstrum ref needs the quote removed.

Those are just the major problems that need to be address based on WP:V. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T13:38:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T13:38:00.000Z-Gradison","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T13:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Ottava, welcome back! I am not going to be editing articles for you. The goal is more to figure out how you can edit them effectively. We're in no hurry, so I'd recommend taking one point at a time (if you put too many issues out at once people can feel attacked and get overly defensive). Start with the first point (the misattributed information). Were I you, I'd place a note on the talk page with the appropriate passage quoted from the source (with page number) and your proposed text change. Then wait a day or two for feedback before making changes. I've got that article talk page watched now. Karanacs (talk) 13:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T13:53:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T13:53:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T13:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T14:32:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T13:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Okay. Will do. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:32, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T14:32:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T14:32:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T13:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Okay, regardless of the 311 song title - I believe this ("I am the one that spoke at the media symposium and released the Amber alert,") should be taken to the CoI noticeboard. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T18:18:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:18:00.000Z-Amber_is_the_color_of_your_energy","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:22:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know that song - I'll have to look for it. For now, I've reported the guy at the 3RR noticeboard and moved on to a different article. I hadn't thought about the COI noticeboard. If the 3RR stuff doesn't get his attention I'll try there. Thanks! Karanacs (talk) 18:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:22:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:27:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Amber (song). I've dealt with people like him quite a bit when performing BLP mediation. They tend to be very sensitive and worried that people may be "misinformed". Wikipedia is at the top of most search engines, so it tends to be a place to start. Most of the time, they need a comforting conversation, personal communication, and telling them that you want to help them inform others, but there are certain ways it has to be written, and that you would like them to share their information and you will help them conform that to an encyclopedia. 9/10 times that worked for me. 100% of the time, they just want to be heard. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T18:27:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:27:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:29:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Looks like this may be a good partnership for both of us :) Karanacs (talk) 18:29, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:29:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

I can work with new people easily. Its the people who have been here for a while that I have difficulty with. :) I've already opened discussion directly with him. I'll try to work with him to convince him to follow standard encyclopedic language and referencing. Hopefully this will fix things quickly. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T18:29:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T20:22:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you, Ottava. I think your comments to him helped him to feel better and once I saw that it helped me find a better tack to take with him. Karanacs (talk) 20:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-08T20:22:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T18:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Keeper76-2008-08-08T20:28:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T20:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nice work, both of you. Refreshing to see a new editor (and a bizarre one even at that) not "blocked on sight". Barnstars all around (if I did that sort of thing). I'm going to unwatchlist Amber and the editor's talkpage (if you knew the unmanageability of my watchlist, you'd understand:-), please feel free to pop over to my talkpage if you want another set of eyes prior to going to ANI again. (if things go sour again, for example). Two models of patience! A good way to wind down my Friday...cheers! Keeper ǀ 76 20:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T20:28:00.000Z","author":"Keeper76","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Keeper76-2008-08-08T20:28:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-08T20:22:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Keeper"}}-->

That makes me feel good. Its always nice to have things come together so nicely. It really seems to verify that all people really want to do is to be heard and have someone that honestly is willing to listen. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 21:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-08T21:50:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-08T21:50:00.000Z-Amber_is_the_color_of_your_energy","replies":[]}}-->

There are two points at the Candide FAC that I would like to hear the other reviewers' thoughts on. I have listed them at the bottom of the FAC. Awadewit (talk) 16:48, 9 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-09T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Awadewit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Awadewit-2008-08-09T16:48:00.000Z-Candide","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, Karanacs, are you still on for WP:TFA/R at Wikipedia:FCDW/August 18, 2008? Have to remember to explain why the page is needed (that there are more than 950 FAs that haven't run on the mainpage,[2] (that list is not accurate or updated), Raul got a lot of requests on his talk page, older system quickly grew to hundreds of entries,[3] impossible to sort through, tried five date requests plus unlimited other, still reached hundreds,[4] switched to five limit in Sept 2007 [5] merit-based point system put in place March 2008, [6], July 2008 gave community ability to remove/replace.[7] Also, needs to be FAQish because so many requestors appear there, confused about why there is a system and how to tally their points. Mention talk page pending template, 60 days in advance, to help clarify points. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-11T02:11:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T02:11:00.000Z-August_18_Dispatch","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T14:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T02:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Also, maybe link to User:Raul654/Featured article thoughts, and mention that he usually writes the blurbs himself, but appreciates the samples in case he's in a hurry (I think?). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:44, 11 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-11T14:44:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T14:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T02:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-11T16:08:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T14:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll have something ready in a few days. I need to wade back into the page and read what's been posted in the last two weeks. Karanacs (talk) 16:08, 11 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-11T16:08:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-11T16:08:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-11T14:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've taken this article from this to this, in preps for filing it for FAC. I could you some help now with:

1. finding a free image of Hanna
2. some good copyediting
3. expanding the lead

and when that's done I'll unlink the repetitive links (things can change during ce, so I don't want to do now), then file for FAC.

Any help is greatly appreciated. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-13T02:48:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-08-13T02:48:00.000Z-William_Hanna_FAC_preps","replies":[]}}-->

Hello again. I have noticed that you have heretofore refrained from supporting Candide's FAC nom. Is there a specific reason you have not done so? Do you see any problems with the article? If the article can win your support with my efforts, I'd like to try... Thanks! -- Rmrfstar (talk) 16:51, 13 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-13T16:51:00.000Z","author":"Rmrfstar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rmrfstar-2008-08-13T16:51:00.000Z-Candide's_FAC_(again)","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-13T17:19:00.000Z-Rmrfstar-2008-08-13T16:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll try to get back to the article but I can't make any promises. My whole family (including me) is sick at the moment. Thank you for your hard work in improving the article, though. Karanacs (talk) 17:19, 13 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-13T17:19:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-13T17:19:00.000Z-Rmrfstar-2008-08-13T16:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rmrfstar-2008-08-13T17:22:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-13T17:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Please concern yourself with your family first. I don't want to put any extra pressure on you. The article isn't going anywhere... -- Rmrfstar (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-13T17:22:00.000Z","author":"Rmrfstar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rmrfstar-2008-08-13T17:22:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-13T17:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Given the quality of your contributions to a variety of university-related articles as well as a recommendation by User:BlueAg09, I would like to solicit your feedback on MIT's current article at the peer review especially with regard to ensuring it meets FA critera. Madcoverboy (talk) 19:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-13T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Madcoverboy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Madcoverboy-2008-08-13T19:35:00.000Z-MIT","replies":[]}}-->

Hello this is Lordoliver † I would like to stop this before it becomes an edit war, when I was adding redlinks, I was just trying to show that some of these other people did have articles. So I am going to redlink those that have articles and not mess with those that don't. Thank You So Much. —Preceding undated comment was added at 21:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hello again,

I guess this was all a misunderstanding, when I put the a redlink on a name I was in the process of making an article for that person. --Lordoliver (talk) 14:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T14:03:00.000Z","author":"Lordoliver","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lordoliver-2008-08-15T14:03:00.000Z-Alamo_Defenders","replies":[]}}-->

Well a few of those people actually have stories in the Alamo and outside like James L. Allen, and Miles DeForrest Andross, Peter James Bailey III, and Cleveland Kinloch Simmons.--Lordoliver (talk) 15:56, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T15:56:00.000Z","author":"Lordoliver","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lordoliver-2008-08-15T15:56:00.000Z-Alamo_Defenders","replies":[]}}-->

Okay that sounds fine, but do one thing for me leave James L. Allen, and Peter James Bailey III's articles they are inportant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lordoliver (talk • contribs) 16:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T16:08:00.000Z","author":"Lordoliver","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lordoliver-2008-08-15T16:08:00.000Z-Alamo_Defenders","replies":[]}}-->

Could you do it for me I am swamped right now. (What about James L. Allen his article needs to stay also)--Lordoliver (talk) 16:15, 15 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-15T16:15:00.000Z","author":"Lordoliver","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lordoliver-2008-08-15T16:15:00.000Z-Alamo_Defenders","replies":[]}}-->

Okay, I think I'm done with adding information. Never know though, as I plow through my pile of books recieved while I was gone. Ealdgyth - Talk 14:54, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T14:54:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-20T14:54:00.000Z-Stigand","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-20T14:56:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-20T14:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

That's such a fun feeling - new books! No worries, I'm being careful if I edit conflict to add in the new info that you're putting in. The article looks in pretty good shape, overall; feel free to revert me at will. Karanacs (talk) 14:56, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T14:56:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-20T14:56:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-20T14:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-20T14:59:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-20T14:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Heh. You are careful with the sources, so no worries. As long as the sense is retained, I'm not that worried. I know I write wordily. (grins) Ealdgyth - Talk 14:59, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T14:59:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-20T14:59:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-20T14:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Administrator,

First of all, thank you for your quick answer.
You have deleted my Chip Shop Award site twice, with two different reasons:
• 13:19, 20 August 2008 Edgar181 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Chip Shop Awards" ‎ (A3: No meaningful, substantive content: contact Karanacs if you wish to discuss deletion)
• 15:49, 19 August 2008 Karanacs (Talk | contribs) deleted "Chip Shop Awards" ‎ (G12: Blatant copyright infringement) I’ve commented the copyright issue, than you came up with the “no meaningful content” note. Thank you for the critic anyway; I would like just mark that it is not easy to develop and make a site meaningful if you delete it twice a day.

For that matter I have found a lot of sites with almost the same content:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clio_awards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannes_Lions

These awards are international advertising awards, just like the Chip Shop Awards (CSA). They attract professionals to enter the awards from all over the world, just like the CSA. I kindly ask you to specify the differences between these sites and the CSA, because I can’t really see.

Professional (marketing and advertising) magazines around the UK have written about CSA already. Our next gala is tomorrow in Edinburgh. We started an international “campaign” encouraging even more international entries to the award. The CSA is a unique ad award scheme prizing the creativity itself, while it has no binding rules. In the other hand, CSA keeps a straight face by deploying well known and widely recognised jury members.

I hope my next try will be more successful and I can create a “Wikipedia-ready” site before you delete it. I am going to take my time, because I believe that it will attract many visitors.

Anyway, could you please help me with replacing the texts I’ve written so far?

Kind regards,
Lajos Feher
Chip Shop Awards

reply crossposted at User talk:lfehrer

Hi Lfeher. Please note that when you leave a message on a talk page, you should put it at the bottom (I know, more rules!). That is so that it is easier for people to find new messages. I didn't delete your new version of Chip Shop Awards. It looks like the content was the same as the first version, and usually another administration will delete it again if that happens. One thing I forgot to tell you about above is that Wikipedia articles need to be written in an encyclopedic tone. They shouldn't read like a website or a newsletter or an advertisement. This article will likely continue to be deleted unless it is written in a neutral, encyclopedic style and contains reliable sources. I'm not going to undelete the articles that were deleted because they were copyvios and were unencyclopedic.

On my talkpage you mentioned that the awards have been written up in several magazines. If you really want to write a good article on this topic, you will need to reference those articles, not things you know because you are involved in the award organization (that way we know it is not original research and we know the information is verifiable). You really need to start over so that the information has the proper tone. If you want help, you can add links to newspaper/magazine/journal articles here (I'm watching your talk page) or on my talk page and I can help you to figure out how to write the article from those. Karanacs (talk) 15:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T15:42:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-20T15:42:00.000Z-Re:_Chip_Shop_Award_topic","replies":[]}}-->

reply toUser talk:Karanacs
Dear Karen,
Thank you for the comments indeed. I am going to keep an eye on the requirements next time, quoting independent media etc. I try my fortune tomorrow (here is 17:10 GMT) and thank you for any help in advance.
Cheers,
Lajos

And your eyes are younger than mine! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:55, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T18:55:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-20T18:55:00.000Z-LOL","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-20T19:05:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-20T18:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's not a matter of younger, it's a matter of whether they work (and today is one of the days they don't)! Glad I amused :) Karanacs (talk) 19:05, 20 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-20T19:05:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-20T19:05:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-20T18:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Poke poke. :) Ottava Rima (talk) 01:20, 21 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-21T01:20:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-21T01:20:00.000Z-Johnson","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs, have time to help Gimmetrow watch User talk:24.1.4.241? And people think we don't need Moni3. It's not rocket science, just a time-consuming, pain in the neck. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:15, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:15:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:15:00.000Z-FAC_distractions","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:20:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

And that's on top of this; someone had the idea to unprotect the template, and everyone and their cousin is putting their fingers in, now the template is busted, and as usual, Gimme is the one who has to deal with it. There's only so many hours in a day. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:20, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:20:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:20:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:27:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

What a fun evening this is turning out to be! I've left a message for the misguided IP and will try to check on him/her, but I don't know how much I'll be online this evening. Karanacs (talk) 02:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:27:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:27:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:30:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Seriously. It's been enough to make even me wonder if submitting to that RfA circus is worth it (NOT). But ... <grrrrr> ... I'm always bugging an admin, and don't you think Gimme ought to be sick of me by now? Now, what on earth is there to dealing with that IP that anyone can't do? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:30, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:30:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:30:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:34:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

If we make adminship sound too easy, then everyone and their mother will want to be an admin, right? I got lucky - no one asked me questions! I do understand some of the opposes, but I am fighting the urge to yell at the ones who seem to think that writing featured articles is so much easier than deleting garbage. Karanacs (talk) 02:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:34:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:40:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm reminding myself how bugged I get when FAC reviewers are attacked, which makes it easier to bite my tongue. And, in all fairness, they don't know Moni as we know Moni. And many of them have been willing to acknowledge that we hold her in high esteem for good reasons. Anyway, when I'm dealing with routine admin crap, and I have to go round up someone to help, it doesn't put me in the best frame of mind to read and promote FACs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:40:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:40:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:47:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Personally, *I* can whip out an FA in minutes, don't you know? (boggles) It's as easy as taking a drivers test or something. (grrr). I think this just confirmed to me that I don't need the aggravation of RfA. It's taken me months to get my three little candidates ready to go. I guess I should just treat FAC like a Peer Review or something, and bring the articles to it only half-ready... Sorry, Karan, I'm cranky tonight! Ealdgyth - Talk 02:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:47:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:47:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:40:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

oh my we're all in a mood tonight :-)) Don't think you're getting off easy; after Moni putting up with this, you're next !!!! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:50, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:52:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z","c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:55:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

I highly doubt I'd pass. I'm up over 23,000 edits now... scary! I've got to have made a LOT of enemies at FAC... (runs, hides, anything...) Ealdgyth - Talk 02:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:52:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I just thank my lucky stars that they had eliminated driving tests by the time I got my license. Otherwise I'd be walking everywhere now...I still can't parallel park, and I've decided that I don't want to know how. Seriously, though, Ealdgyth, if you want to run for adminship I would be delighted to nominate you. Karanacs (talk) 02:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:55:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:55:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:56:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Karen, let's put up a co-nom tonight so Moni can have company over there ... <wicked grin> Ealdgyth doesn't have any enemies. She's never even pooped on a bot. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:56, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:56:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:56:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T02:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:58:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

(takes comfort from the fact that she has to ACCEPT any nomination...) Ealdgyth - Talk 02:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:58:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T02:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T03:00:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

The best distraction would be to nominate Sandy. People would be coming out of the woodwork to support and no one would even notice Moni. I'm highly impressed that she has almost 100 supports already, and we aren't halfway through the week yet. Karanacs (talk) 03:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T03:00:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T03:00:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-08-23T02:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T03:03:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T03:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

If you think putting me up would be fun, you haven't been around Wiki long enough :-) You have no idea just how fun it would be :-))) Yes, in the final analysis, Moni's RfA has been fairly respectful, and she's going to make WP:100. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:03, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T03:03:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T03:03:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-23T03:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Should turn off the computer today; must be the moon. In relation to the IP above, LogBot (talk · contribs) just registered and made a strange edit at TFA/R. And a vandal fighter reverted my pr/ar/rs at FAC. Who says we need more admins with a clue? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:00, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T06:00:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:00:00.000Z-FAC_distractions","replies":["c-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good God. Sandy needs to run for RFA post-haste. It gives me a headache to think of the headaches that Sandy gets. Gary King (talk) 06:11, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z","author":"Gary King","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:00:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:27:00.000Z-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Gary\u00a0King"}}-->

I think I see now what this is about: User_talk:DrKiernan#Abu-Jamal, an old sock vandal that Dr knows. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:27, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T06:27:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:27:00.000Z-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:34:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

We need to clone Sandy quick, for the good of mankind! Then the real Sandy can sit back and relax :) Gary King (talk) 06:34, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T06:34:00.000Z","author":"Gary King","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:34:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:37:00.000Z-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:34:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Gary\u00a0King"}}-->

No, more of me wouldn't be good. We need more competent admins so I can go do what I like to do instead of deal with trolls and vandals. I can't remember the old sockmaster that DrK dealt with on Abu-Jamal, but that would explain my entire day with that IP making us chase our tails. Must be past my bedtime. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 06:37, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T06:37:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-23T06:37:00.000Z-Gary_King-2008-08-23T06:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, is there a way to obtain a user name without an account?24.1.4.241 (talk) 16:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T16:29:00.000Z","author":"24.1.4.241","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-24.1.4.241-2008-08-23T16:29:00.000Z-Account","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T17:04:00.000Z-24.1.4.241-2008-08-23T16:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nope. Karanacs (talk) 17:04, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T17:04:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-23T17:04:00.000Z-24.1.4.241-2008-08-23T16:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I didn't "correct" her at all. If anything, it was a simple error while I was typing. Her accusation was basically inflammatory and incorrect. You don't accuse people of violating talk page procedure when it is obviously a mistake and not anything with any kind of intent, which she claimed. Please reread what I said in regards to this, and reread what she said. "Please don't change user's comments:" that is obviously incorrect and improper. No AGF. No CIVIL. No anything really. If you want to discuss this further, email me. However, it is quite obvious from the other people that I discussed this with that her comment was out of line. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:29, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T23:29:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-23T23:29:00.000Z-Response","replies":["c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-23T23:40:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-23T23:29:00.000Z"]}}-->

Note- I emailed you. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:40, 23 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-23T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-23T23:40:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-08-23T23:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Could you help with this FAC? Thanks, --LordSunday 00:44, 24 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-24T00:44:00.000Z","author":"LordSunday","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LordSunday-2008-08-24T00:44:00.000Z-2002_Bou'in-Zahra_earthquake","replies":[],"displayName":"Lord"}}-->

Hi, would you please strike-through your notes on the FAC that you believe have been satisfied? The thing is getting pretty unwieldy and it would help us keep things moving. Thanks.--Elred (talk) 04:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z","author":"Elred","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elred-2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z-Texas_Tech_FAC","replies":["c-Wordbuilder-2008-08-27T18:04:00.000Z-Elred-2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z","c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T19:21:00.000Z-Elred-2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here's the link for when you have a chance, Karen. Thanks! →Wordbuilder (talk) 18:04, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:04:00.000Z","author":"Wordbuilder","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wordbuilder-2008-08-27T18:04:00.000Z-Elred-2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:11:00.000Z-Wordbuilder-2008-08-27T18:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I promise I will take another look today. Karanacs (talk) 18:11, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:11:00.000Z-Wordbuilder-2008-08-27T18:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:22:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Um, I was preparing to pr/ar. Speak up; I'm seeing an overwhelming amount of work remaining to be done there. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:22, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:22:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:22:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:31:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm reading through the article again right now and should be done in about 10 minutes. Karanacs (talk) 18:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:31:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:31:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:32:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:31:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll wait; is it doable at FAC, or more doable off-FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 18:32, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:32:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:32:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:31:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:54:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sandy, I think the article is really close. I've struck my oppose for now (changed to comments) and would be willing to support after a copyedit. I'm also willing to do the copyedit (I've already started), but likely can't finish it until tonight some time. Since the nom has been up a week with no supports as yet, it wouldn't surprise me if you closed it. If you do, I'll still do the copyedit and recommend Wordbuilder and Elred renom in a few weeks - maybe without the sheer length of the review others won't be scared to take a look. Karanacs (talk) 18:54, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T18:54:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-27T18:54:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T18:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Since images and sourcing are in the clear, it's OK to leave it up if copyedit will be tended to. I only needed to know if it was close, as it appeared to be overwhelming. Thx, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:21, 27 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-27T19:21:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-27T19:21:00.000Z-Elred-2008-08-24T04:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I've addressed all the issues you noted, except four I think that should remain as is (see FAC page). I'd appreciate it if you'd consider striking your oppose. I think you've improved the article considerably by your comments.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-25T02:43:00.000Z","author":"Wehwalt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wehwalt-2008-08-25T02:43:00.000Z-Jena_Six","replies":[]}}-->

What do I do about a comment like that of Madcoverboy? He's being vague, I don't think he "gets" the article, and doing what he suggests would destroy half the article and render the remainder noncomprehensive? Obviously I don't want to lose the FAC, either, which had seemed to be going pretty well. Do you have any advice for me?--Wehwalt (talk) 02:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-28T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Wehwalt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wehwalt-2008-08-28T02:26:00.000Z-Jena_Six","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-28T14:22:00.000Z-Wehwalt-2008-08-28T02:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Wehwalt. When a nominator disagrees with a reviewer's points, it is best to just politely explain the reasons why you think the proposed changes would hurt the article. It looks like you've done just that. It might also be worth asking Madcoverboy if there are any particular passages that he thinks the tone is off; he might have picked up on one or two things that the rest of us missed. Karanacs (talk) 14:22, 28 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-28T14:22:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-28T14:22:00.000Z-Wehwalt-2008-08-28T02:26:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for taking the time to look over the data on the Yowani's. Since Wikipedia is an encyclopedia I felt that a historical group needed inclusion for rearch purposes. While the quality of the work I question myself as i did it from my hospital room here in Manhattan, Kansas. Truthfully, I wasn't sure if I'd be around to write it. This is part of a project my cousin and I were working on when he died at Texas A & M in 2000. I was injured two months later and nothing has been done since. Last week I was too weak to bother and this week, although stronger I an still here at Mercy Hospital awainting surgery. We'll see how things turn out. Anyway, I would be pleased to have you go over it. Further, my references are all from memory, not my library, so other than internet references I have no access to better or specific data. Plus, I am new to this and not totally clear in thought as oxycodone has a way with ones clarity. Oh, I do have photos from this computer to include if wanted. --Terran57 13:06, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T13:06:00.000Z","author":"Terran57","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Terran57-2008-08-26T13:06:00.000Z-Concerning_the_Yowani_Choctaws","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-08-26T18:14:00.000Z-Terran57-2008-08-26T13:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sorry to hear that you are unwell, but I do appreciate your efforts to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of such an important topic. Pictures are always welcome, but they need to meet Wikipedia's image policy. That means that either you took the photos or they should be in the public domain. There are lots of rules about images and I am by no means an expert on them. If there is specific help that you need, please feel free to ask. Karanacs (talk) 18:14, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T18:14:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-26T18:14:00.000Z-Terran57-2008-08-26T13:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for your assistance in helping clean-up the Dow Chemical article and reverting NPOV material and the onslaught of editors out seeking nothing but to tarnish the company. I hope that a group of nuetral minded editors like yourself will be able to help me keep a close eye on the article so we can continue and improve its nuetrality.Plhofmei (talk) 22:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-26T22:03:00.000Z","author":"Plhofmei","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Plhofmei-2008-08-26T22:03:00.000Z-Dow_Chemical","replies":[]}}-->

There has been an update to a summary you have endorsed at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Majorly#View by Jennavecia. Jennavecia ^(Talk) 05:28, 29 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-29T05:28:00.000Z","author":"Jennavecia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jennavecia-2008-08-29T05:28:00.000Z-An_update","replies":[]}}-->

On 29 August, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Frank W. Johnson, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:53, 29 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-29T11:53:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-29T11:53:00.000Z-Frank_W._Johnson","replies":[]}}-->

Here we go again. Even though I specifically asked on the FAC that this *not* be done incorrectly until it was sorted and could be done correctly by an admin, it was done incorrectly.

If anyone else notices this, *please* leave this to Karanacs and Moni3, so that Karanacs can teach Moni and I how to fix it. No matter how many times I encounter this, I don't get it.

WP:MOVE says that you can move a page over a redirect if there is only one edit, to the redirect. Then why can't I do it ??? The instructions don't say how, and when I try to move the old one to the correct name over the redirect, I am not allowed to do so. I swear, these instructions are written by admins who don't understand that regular editors have a different set of options.

• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics - Men's road race
• Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Cycling at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's road race

The correct name is the endash; the editors set it up with redirects instead of fixing it correctly as I asked. Needs to be sorted before GimmeBot goes through. When this situation occurs at FAC, the new article has to be fixed in the following places:

• The article title has to be corrected.
• The name within the article has to be corrected.
• The article title within the FAC page has to be corrected.
• The FAC itself has to be corrected.
• The FAC page should be listed correctly on the talk page (it's not now, it's a redirect, and don't use an HTML endash in the page, it messes up GimmeBot).
• The FAC listing at WP:FAC has to be corrected.

I think Moni watches Karen's talk page, so I'm putting this here as I have to head to the airport. Karanacs, can you teach Moni3 how to do this, and can you *please* help me understand why I can't move the FAC page over the redirect even though it's only one edit and the instructions at MOVE claim that, as a non-admin, I'm supposed to be able to fix this myself? Is it an intelligence test? When I try to move, I get the error message saying the page already exists and it's not allowed, and even though WP:MOVE says I can do it, it doesn't tell me how. <Grrrrrr ... > It is utterly absurd that this is the only reason I would need the tools, and I can't figure it out and I can't do this. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 13:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z-Here_we_go_again,_Karanacs_and_Moni3","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z","c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:21:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

And ... <grrrr> .... my intent was to run through FAC one last time before I left, to see if I could move any; I spent my time on this instead. I left a note to Moni; I don't want another admin to fix this. I want to understand once and for all why I am not able to do it. I have asked a gazillion people in the past. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:11:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

It is weird. I have found this before that there are times when deletion is required even though all the rules are followed. Pagemoving is one of the admin abilities I cherish most :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:21, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:21:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:21:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T13:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And funnily enough, that time it didn't ask me to delete redirect...so go figure....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:24, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:24:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:24:00.000Z-Here_we_go_again,_Karanacs_and_Moni3","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:34:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

Casliber, are you fixing this? Because within the past couple of minutes, it looks like the FAC with the endash is the real title (no redirects), the FAC with the hyphen is redirected to the endash title, the article title has the endash in it... Let me know if I'm reading this wrong, or I still need to do something. --Moni3 (talk) 14:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:34:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:34:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

Cas, I didn't want someone else to fix it; I was hoping it would be left as a chance for Moni to learn the tools. But more, I want someone once and for all to explain to me why I can't do this, when the instructions say I can. This is an ongoing source of frustration for me that has never been sorted. Either there is something wrong with the process, or there is something wrong with the istructions at WP:MOVE. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:37, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:34:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:39:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z","c-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

I did the last step, which was correcting the listing at FAC. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:39, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:39:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:39:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

If it makes you feel any better, I performed a move the other day for Gary King, and I swear to God the instructions on the move page about double redirects were truly the most bizarre thing I've ever read. I think a page history with more than one edit, according to what I read the other day, is the main reason why non-admins are not able to move pages... But I didn't compare the history of the pages before they were moved, if in fact they were. I've only done one, so I think it looks like it's already done, and Casliber's contributions show he moved some pages with those titles. --Moni3 (talk) 14:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:44:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:47:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, that was why I wanted this one left for you to see, so you and Karanacs could walk through it and explain it to me. The redirect page had only one edit; according to the intructions, I should have been able to move it. Yes, Cas already did it, so now you can't walk me through it. This will continue to come up until someone helps me figure it out. I guess I'll go work with Woody; it needs someone who can log in with a non-admin account and figure out why it's not working, and then rewrite the instructions. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:47, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:47:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:47:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T14:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:50:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

Erm sorry, I wanted to see if it spat up the delete message, which it will do if you are an admin. It didn't though, which was odd. Heck, I can find a load of bird or fungus articles to practise on...lemme see....Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:50, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:50:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:50:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:54:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Woody told me once that the options that an admin sees are entirely different from what I see. It needs to be sorted by someone who has an admin account and a non-admin account, who can experiment and see where the short circuit is, so that I can figure out how to do this. It is the only admin function I'm unable to do at FAC (well, I could also use the ability to delete malformed FAC pages, and to semi-protect FAC pages like you had to do at that personality disorder page that kept being submitted by an IP). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:54:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:54:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Woody-2008-08-30T15:08:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

I tried it with my non-admin account and the interface is the same, just admins have three more checkboxes. If the page has only log entries (ie has only ever been moved) then it will allow the page move. But, if someone has then edited the page, usually to amend the redirect, then the page cannot be moved over the top: it has to be deleted. Woody (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:08:00.000Z","author":"Woody","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Woody-2008-08-30T15:08:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T14:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:13:00.000Z-Woody-2008-08-30T15:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

But this example was *only* a redirect. It had not been edited, and I took care to make sure I didn't mess with that. What am I not getting? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:13:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:13:00.000Z-Woody-2008-08-30T15:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• Abrolhos Painted Button-quail should be at Abrolhos Painted Buttonquail. Identical situation - latter is now a redirect. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:56, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T14:56:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T14:56:00.000Z-Practice_time..","replies":[]}}-->

• Chestnut-backed Button-quail should be at Chestnut-backed Buttonquail too.

• Ditto Little Button-quail --> Little Buttonquail.

• Red-backed Button-quail --> Red-backed Buttonquail

Is this for me? --Moni3 (talk) 15:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:01:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-30T15:01:00.000Z-Practice_time..","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T15:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have to go, but I pinged Woody, too. Please leave one for someone to let a non-admin try, so we can figure out what the heck is wrong with me. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:02, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-30T15:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:03:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z","c-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:04:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Who is woody? Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:03, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:03:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:03:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

PS: I will see if I can find some others. Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:04, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:04:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:04:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T15:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Woodym555-2008-08-30T15:34:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I moved Abrolhos Painted Buttonquail without admin tools. Woodym555 (talk) 15:34, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T15:34:00.000Z","author":"Woodym555","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Woodym555-2008-08-30T15:34:00.000Z-Casliber-2008-08-30T15:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I did one, and I think I see the difference now. I moved Chestnut-backed Buttonquail. It was a move over a previous move that created a redirect. One edit, but the edit was a previous move, not a previous *edit* of a new page to set up a redirect. When I'm unable to move a FAC, those cases were not previous moves that created redirects, rather previous pages that were initially edited/set up as a redirect. Is that correct ? In other words, without admin tools, I'm not going to be able to sort these FACs. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:12, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z-Practice_time..","replies":["c-Woody-2008-08-30T16:18:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z","c-Casliber-2008-08-30T22:13:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yep, that is right. You are going to have to rely on {{db-g6}}, or on any one of your burgeoning number of acquaintances with admin tools. Woody (talk) 16:18, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T16:18:00.000Z","author":"Woody","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Woody-2008-08-30T16:18:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Aah, I guess this is Woody; Hello Woody :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:13, 30 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-30T22:13:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-30T22:13:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-08-30T16:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

• OK see here --> Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(flora)

There are a truckload of plant articles at common names which should be at scientific names, lots of tree or flower articles...have a scan around and you may find a few :) Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 15:15, 2 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-02T15:15:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-09-02T15:15:00.000Z-More_practice_time_for_Moni3,_Sandy_and_maybe_Karanacs","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, you're not in the path of that assclown Gustav are you? --Moni3 (talk) 03:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z-Coastline?","replies":["c-Casliber-2008-08-31T08:26:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z","c-Karanacs-2008-08-31T20:28:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Assclown...funney word...(snigger)...but seriously, I can ferret out a bunch more articles need moving. Loads of tree sepcies should really be at scientific name as per MOS rather than common name. I looked at many birds but most have been done. Funny as I found another stub I started and forgotten about in the process....saw one of these critters once. DYK time soonish I guess...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:26, 31 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-31T08:26:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-08-31T08:26:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

We're not in the way of the storm, but thanks to Gustav we are now hosting an extended Labor Day party for various extended family members who were mandatorily evacauted. I may not be online much until they can go home - maybe Tuesday. Hope Hanna leaves you alone. Karanacs (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-31T20:28:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-08-31T20:28:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-08-31T03:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-08-31T21:15:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-31T20:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ooh. Lucky you. Ben Franklin's quote may come in handy for you: "Fish and family stink after three days." --Moni3 (talk) 21:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-08-31T21:15:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-08-31T21:15:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-08-31T20:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As you can see, my patience is up. Ottava Rima (talk) 01:30, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T01:30:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T01:30:00.000Z-Durova","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T15:35:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T01:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for trying to calm the waters, Karanacs. It looks like Shoemaker's Holiday hasn't acknowledged his initial role in the escalation and acrimony, when he called Ottava a delusional troll, and said "You, my good friend, are full of shit". He later replaced the second attack, but hasn't struck the first. I'm glad that Ottava has continued to respond to requests on the FAC, relieved that he has stood up as well as he had considering this level of dialogue, and have been surprised at the lack of knowledge about Johnson, and questioning of solid sourcing, on the FAC talk page. Considering what Ottava has been exposed to, he's holding up fairly well. It would be interesting if most FACs were exposed to anything close to this level of scrutiny! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:35, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T15:35:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T15:35:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T01:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-03T15:50:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T15:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Interesting might be one word for it... I think there is plenty of blame to go around on this FAC, but it still isn't nearly as vitriolic as those for Roman Catholic Church or many others I've participated on. Karanacs (talk) 15:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T15:50:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-03T15:50:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T15:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-03T15:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

Agreed! I'm unsure, though, if even I would be able to hold up to the level of poking that has gone on. I'll be on a plane later; hope you keep an eye on things. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:14, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-03T15:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:22:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z","c-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T16:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, also, because I'm going to be on a plane, will you be able to watch TFA/R when the next batch is scheduled? I hear American Airlines has internet access on planes now ... we'll see. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:22:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:22:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-03T16:28:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'll try to watch. Have fun wherever you are going! Karanacs (talk) 16:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:28:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-03T16:28:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:36:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-03T16:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Home, to a blissfully peacefully quiet empty nest. (I didn't get through my entire watchlist, but I scanned so that I hopefully didn't miss anything crucial at FAC.) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:36:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:36:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-03T16:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I wanted badly to participate in the RCC page, but I am sure that my blatant conflict of interest, if people dug deep enough to know what it was, would have caused even more problems. It was a shame that there was so much fighting during it. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:44, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:44:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T16:44:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-03T16:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

These mentorship guidelines look excellent. However, it would seem to me that Ottava Rima is having trouble following them at the Samuel Johnson FAC. If, in your role as mentor, you could offer him some advice, I would appreciate it. Awadewit (talk) 12:38, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T12:38:00.000Z","author":"Awadewit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Awadewit-2008-09-03T12:38:00.000Z-Samuel_Johnson_FAC","replies":[]}}-->

I put a section on Sandy's page, but I wanted to thank you also for helping out with the Johnson's politics page. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T16:29:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-09-03T16:29:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":[]}}-->

I've adressed or commented on your comments concerning the FAC of 9.0: Live. Let us know if there is anything else to fix. Thanks! Blackngold29 19:43, 3 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-03T19:43:00.000Z","author":"Blackngold29","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Blackngold29-2008-09-03T19:43:00.000Z-9.0","replies":[],"displayName":"Black"}}-->

I've gone through your fine suggestions, many thanks, and left you a few questions. With you and Dabomb, this is getting much better. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:58, 4 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z-William_Hanna_FAC","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-06T01:56:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z","c-Rlevse-2008-09-09T01:19:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just a reminder, pls look over my updates for your issues. Tks. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:56, 6 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-06T01:56:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-06T01:56:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-06T01:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

See new round. — Rlevse • Talk • 03:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-07T03:11:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-07T03:11:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-06T01:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-07T11:20:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-07T03:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Left a question about what you seek from the book on the FAC page. Pls respond there. Thanks so much for helping. You've probably noticed I'm better and research, refs, than I am at copyediting. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:20, 7 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-07T11:20:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-07T11:20:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-07T03:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

My library autobio book on Barbera is in. We'll pick it up tomorrow, Tues. Let me know on my talk page is you want me to look for anything specific. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-09T01:19:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-09T01:19:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-04T01:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As a current or past contributor to a related article or as someone who may otherwise be interested, I wanted to let you know about WikiProject Texas Tech University, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Texas Tech and the Texas Tech University System. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of tasks. Thanks! — Wordbuilder (talk) 21:57, 2 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-02T21:57:00.000Z","author":"Wordbuilder","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wordbuilder-2008-09-02T21:57:00.000Z-Invitation","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-05T21:10:00.000Z-Wordbuilder-2008-09-02T21:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for the invite. I have pared the number of wikiprojects I'm officially a member of, but I'll be happy to peer review any article or review at FAC. I don't watch peer review, so let me know if there are any I could help with. Karanacs (talk) 21:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-05T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-05T21:10:00.000Z-Wordbuilder-2008-09-02T21:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Wordbuilder-2008-09-05T21:12:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-05T21:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem. I know you keep busy. If anything comes up for peer review, I'll drop you a line. →Wordbuilder (talk) 21:12, 5 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-05T21:12:00.000Z","author":"Wordbuilder","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wordbuilder-2008-09-05T21:12:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-05T21:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Well, Stigand passed last night, so let me know if you think GMG's ready for prime time? I think it's ready, but ... well.. we all know my prose standards are lower than most (grins). Ealdgyth - Talk 14:01, 8 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-08T14:01:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-08T14:01:00.000Z-Go_Man_Go","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-10T01:36:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-08T14:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sorry it took me a bit to get to it. Go ahead and nominate- it's a good article and I really like the pieces you've added recently. Karanacs (talk) 01:36, 10 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-10T01:36:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-10T01:36:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-08T14:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Karanacs,
I am back, therefore could you please have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chip_Shop_Awards ?
I've done my best to use neutral and encyclopedic wording (although the topic itself is rather funny), and put reference as well (Design Week, which is the most important media in the industry)

Thank you for your opinion in advance.
Kind regards,
Lajos

I could submit a report to AIV ... or ... we could use User talk:Heffalump2468 for Moni3 training on the tools. I think (?) vandal only accounts can be indef blocked (but I'm not sure?). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 09:47, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T09:47:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T09:47:00.000Z-Admin","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T19:33:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T09:47:00.000Z"]}}-->

No recent contribs from Karanacs (Ike); I hope you're safe, sane and well. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:33, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T19:33:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T19:33:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T09:47:00.000Z","replies":["c-Iridescent-2008-09-11T19:56:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

If vandal-only accounts can't be indefblocked, I have some apologies to make. As far as I'm concerned, if someone has never done anything useful there's no reason to think they'll reform 24 hours later, and if they do reform, the {{unblock}} template forces them to make the effort to think about – and explain – why they deserve a second chance. – iridescent 19:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T19:56:00.000Z","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Iridescent-2008-09-11T19:56:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T19:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:01:00.000Z-Iridescent-2008-09-11T19:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"iride"}}-->

Sandy, you would ask me to do something that most opposers at my RfA had the biggest problems with. Learning makes me uncomfortable! Hmm. I'll be in and out throughout the afternoon, and check back in with its contributions... --Moni3 (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:01:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:01:00.000Z-Iridescent-2008-09-11T19:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:04:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

I don't know the policy here (I've never had occasion to check it) and I'm not asking you to do anything (this is not important); I'm only offering it as an opportunity for learning to use the tools (and was hoping Karanacs was around to offer guidance, but I fear she's not). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:04, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:04:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:04:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Vandal-only accounts most definitely can be indef'd. Do you gals need help? — Rlevse • Talk • 20:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z-Admin","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:14:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Rlevse, Sandy put a ultimatum template on the offender's talk page. Shall we now wait for it to defy it or just go nuts and block? --Moni3 (talk) 20:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:14:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:14:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:17:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

It's not important, Rlevse; the editor isn't doing massive amounts of damage, which is why I offered it as a learning tool for Moni. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:17:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:17:00.000Z-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

There. You went and made me read about it. Your evil plan has come to fruition. Mr. Snuffaluffogus can be indef blocked for doing nothing constructive to the encyclopedia in his sporadic career here. --Moni3 (talk) 20:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z","author":"Moni3","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Moni3-2008-09-11T20:11:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-11T20:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I seemed to have missed that you are an admin the last time i checked up on you. Congratulations! As for me. I am settled down here in Texas, and things seem to be going my way at the moment. I seem to be phasing out of the Wikipedia thingy, although, I still make edits. While I am not an admin, nor am I ever seeking to be one, I am using AutoWikiBrowser now. How are you doing? What have you been up too? I always have appreciated how you have been steady of the A&M wikigroup. You have always been the peacekeeper when disagreements flared up between us Aggie Wikipedians. Keep up the good work. Gig em!Oldag07 (talk) 06:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z","author":"Oldag07","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oldag07-2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z-Howdy!_:-)","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T16:10:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z","c-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Karanacs hasn't posted for two days. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T16:10:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T16:10:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for checking in OldAg, I'm glad you are doing well. I hope you get back into the WP swing of things again one day soon...none of us have been really working on many of the Aggie articles lately. I've been working on Texas Revolution topics lately - it's been fun! Karanacs (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z-Oldag07-2008-09-12T06:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

For all my talk-page stalkers: I'm safely evacuated and have been spending my online time monitoring the weather. We may lose power this weekend but I hope to be back online on Monday. Karanacs (talk) 19:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z-Update_on_karanacs_status","replies":["c-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Glad to hear you are okay! I hope your books are safe and dry, too :) Maralia (talk) 19:50, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z","author":"Maralia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:52:00.000Z-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z","c-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:55:00.000Z-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

I hope everything near and dear to your heart stays dry, and the wrath of Ike spares Texas. We hope to hear from you soon; be safe! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:52, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:52:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:52:00.000Z-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I definitely have my priorities straight - I evacuated WITH the library books that I'm using for my latest article ;) Karanacs (talk) 19:55, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:55:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:55:00.000Z-Maralia-2008-09-12T19:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:58:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm shampooing carpets today, noticing how badly everything stinks after a flood, and thinking of how much worse it can be. I'm so glad we heard from you; the size of that thing is Just Plain Scary. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:58, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T19:58:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:58:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-12T19:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-12T20:03:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

YEA! Glad you're okay. I'm almost done with the Barbera book. You and your family stay safe, that's number one. — Rlevse • Talk • 20:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-12T20:03:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-12T20:03:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-12T19:58:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have power, finally!!!! and am back home. It may take a few days for me to get fully back up to wiki-speed. Karanacs (talk) 15:02, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:02:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:02:00.000Z-Update_on_karanacs_status","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:06:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

<relieved> ... House OK? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:06, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:06:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:06:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:14:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

The fence blew away, my husband accidentally cracked a window taking down the plywood, and my poor yard needs lots of TLC to look pretty again, but not much actual damage. Family will likely be moving in again as they wait for all the city services to be restored to their towns (which is good - day care is still closed and I need the free babysitters). I was actually going to your talk page next to leave a separate message - you are fast! Karanacs (talk) 15:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:14:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:14:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:17:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Free babysitters are a good thing :-) If your house stayed dry inside, that's a bonus. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:17, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:17:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-17T15:17:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I do hope Hurricane Ike isn't to bad for you, you're probably right in the midst of it now. Take care of your family first. FYI, I am now done with the Joseph Barbera autobio and must say you're right, it really help tweak the William Hanna article. Please reveiw Hanna's article and it's FAC when you can. Take care. — Rlevse • Talk • 16:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-13T16:25:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-13T16:25:00.000Z-Barbera_book_and_William_Hanna_FAC","replies":[]}}-->

I just saw the pictures of the devastation in Galveston and Houston on AOL. I was wondering if you were in Ike's path and it seems you are since you have evacuated. I hope and pray that you and your family and your home are safe, I am very sorry for all the devastation, it is really traumatic. We recently were affected by Hurricane Wilma a few years ago, not much damage to the home but extensive damage to our yard and businesses. Many weeks of living with a generator and spending our days cleaning up followed. I dont even think Wilma's winds were even hurricane force by the time it went over us. I can't imagine what Ike has done. I will keep you and your family and community in my prayers. NancyHeise ^talk 02:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-14T02:06:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-09-14T02:06:00.000Z-Hurricane_Ike","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:03:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-09-14T02:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nancy, thank you so much for your prayers and kindness - that is much appreciated! Karanacs (talk) 15:03, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:03:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:03:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-09-14T02:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for supporting me in my RfA, which passed with a count of (166/43/7). I appreciate your comments and in my actions as an administrator I will endeavor to maintain the trust you have placed in me. I am honored by your trust and your support. Thank you for your kind words about your positive experiences of me during featured candidacy processes. Thank you, Cirt (talk) 02:36, 16 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-16T02:36:00.000Z","author":"Cirt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cirt-2008-09-16T02:36:00.000Z-My_RfA","replies":[]}}-->

I saw your offer of aid on Wikipedia:WikiProject AP Biology 2008 and any assistance in my endeavors would be greatly appreciated. Since they live in pretty much our backyard, I've chosen the Banker Horse. Most importantly, the topic isn't too hard to pronnounce, so it shouldn't become one of those "intimidating" science articles. I am hoping to achieve FA/GA status on the article (hopefully the former), not only because I'm receiving a grade for this, but because it would also be nice to win this competition. I thought I would just try to solicit help from one the best. :) Yohmom (talk) 21:11, 16 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Yohmom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yohmom-2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z-AP_Biology_Wikiproject","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:27:00.000Z-Yohmom-2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z","c-Yohmom-2008-09-18T21:05:00.000Z-Yohmom-2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

I actually know a little about horses! Several of my relatives raised Thoroughbreds. I'll be happy to help you (although I'll likely be helping user:jbmurray's students too - I enjoyed assisting with his last project in the spring). Your article is very short (what we call a stub), which means you will have lots of freedom to figure out what the ideal article should look like. I usually browse a few books (or other encyclopedia articles) on the topic and put an outline on the article talk page of what I think the article should include. That helps other interested editors see what needs doing too. Your outline may change as you do more in-depth reading, but it gives you a starting point. I'll keep your talk page and the article watchlisted - feel free to ask questions there or here on my talk page. I'll respond to a comment wherever it is made, so you might want to watchlist my talk page as well. Karanacs (talk) 15:27, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T15:27:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:27:00.000Z-Yohmom-2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-17T18:21:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Feel free to ask over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Equine for assistance also, we'd be glad to help find sources, etc. If you want examples of more developed breed articles, Thoroughbred is an FA, and Arabian Horse and Appaloosa are GAs. We're also trying to get Horse up to snuff. (And Karan, Go Man Go made FA while we were both involved with Ike!) Ealdgyth - Talk 18:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T18:21:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-17T18:21:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-17T15:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T18:28:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-17T18:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yea! Good news from the hurricane era :) Karanacs (talk) 18:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T18:28:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-17T18:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for taking me up on my plea there. I've ridden since I was about eight or so and quite a few ladies at the stable have adopted some of the Shackleford horses. When I stumbled across the Banker Horse, I thought I had hit the jackpot: not only are they our local tourist attraction, but I already know a bit about horses. I'm pretty stoked about the whole project.--Yohmom (talk) 21:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-18T21:05:00.000Z","author":"Yohmom","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Yohmom-2008-09-18T21:05:00.000Z-Yohmom-2008-09-16T21:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your response to my comments. By the way, could you have a look at this peer-review?! I'd appreciate your comments, prose remarks (or even some copy-editing; the article is very short!) etc. Cheers!--Yannismarou (talk) 18:19, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T18:19:00.000Z","author":"Yannismarou","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yannismarou-2008-09-17T18:19:00.000Z-Re","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T18:29:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2008-09-17T18:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

I will definitely take a look. I'm still in catch-up mode, but will try to get to that tomorrow. Karanacs (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-17T18:29:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-17T18:29:00.000Z-Yannismarou-2008-09-17T18:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Read and replied to the point calculation on Sandy's talk page. You might want to take a second look. The battle actually happened in April, they're claiming a point for an October date because it is considered a continuation of the Greco-Italian war, which started in October. I don't think it should get a date relvance point.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-18T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Wehwalt","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wehwalt-2008-09-18T01:28:00.000Z-Battle_of_Greece","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks so much for your help. Check your barnstar page. I was going to give you a copyeditor one but you have so many I gave you a golden barnstar. It's not an FA (see WP:FA but Gimmebot hasn't run to update the page yet). I plan to do Joseph Barbera next as they were partners for 60 years so there's lots of overlap. Thanks again, I couldn't have done it without you. — Rlevse • Talk • 10:17, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T10:17:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-19T10:17:00.000Z-William_Hanna","replies":[]}}-->

But I still more or less reverted one bit [8]. SStill, one cannot overexpress their appreciation for a copyedit, which are so thin on the ground these days. WilyD 12:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T12:51:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilyD-2008-09-19T12:51:00.000Z-Copyeditorship_is_next_to_Godliness","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-19T13:20:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T12:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Feel free to revert anything and everything you don't like. I'm not emotionally attached to any changes I make ;) Karanacs (talk) 13:20, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T13:20:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-19T13:20:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T12:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-WilyD-2008-09-19T15:10:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-19T13:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

There is exactly one other editor who has done any writing on the article as it stands now, apart from some very, very minor copyedits. Your copyedit moved you to the forth most active editor there, and probably third most influential. It's very easy for me to be stuck in bad ways of thinking, or do something dumb because it's obvious to me having read all these sources texts, but isn't obvious to anyone else. It seemed worth flagging your attention to make sure I wasn't completely off my rocker. WilyD 15:10, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T15:10:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WilyD-2008-09-19T15:10:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-19T13:20:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Also - uhm - what is a callout quote? WilyD 20:35, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z-Copyeditorship_is_next_to_Godliness","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-19T20:37:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z","c-WilyD-2008-09-20T15:02:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Sorry, those are the big curly quotes that make a block of text stand out. I've also seen them called cquotes. Karanacs (talk) 20:37, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T20:37:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-19T20:37:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:51:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-19T20:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh, okay. WilyD 20:51, 19 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-19T20:51:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:51:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-19T20:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

By the by, I've responded to all your points at The FAC, and it would be appreciated if you could review it if you have time. Thanks. WilyD 15:02, 20 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-20T15:02:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-WilyD-2008-09-20T15:02:00.000Z-WilyD-2008-09-19T20:35:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Hi. I think I have this close to FAC ready. Could you please look it over? Would you prefer I nom it for FAC now or after you look it over? Thanks. — Rlevse • Talk • 18:10, 20 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-20T18:10:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-20T18:10:00.000Z-Joseph_Barbera","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-21T01:28:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-20T18:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

This is a FAC now. Thanks to you and Dabomb87, it's in way better shape than Hanna was at this point. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:28, 21 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-21T01:28:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-21T01:28:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-20T18:10:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-22T01:22:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-21T01:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

Left you 2 ? on Barbera FAC page. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-22T01:22:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-22T01:22:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-21T01:28:00.000Z","replies":["c-Rlevse-2008-09-24T01:18:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-22T01:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Added bit on Zsa Zsa, thanks for the support! — Rlevse • Talk • 01:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-24T01:18:00.000Z","author":"Rlevse","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Rlevse-2008-09-24T01:18:00.000Z-Rlevse-2008-09-22T01:22:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi. I'm a bit confused at your oppose on SoWhy's RfA. I have posted a reply there, I encourage you to read it :) Kind regards.

—Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 18:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-25T18:20:00.000Z","author":"Cyclonenim","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cyclonenim-2008-09-25T18:20:00.000Z-SoWhy's_RfA","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for getting back to me. Can we not even have a stub article (just basic details) until we can fill in more secondary sources? Firecracker22 (talk) 20:23, 13 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-13T20:23:00.000Z","author":"Firecracker22","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Firecracker22-2008-11-13T20:23:00.000Z-Stub?","replies":[]}}-->

OK - Karanacs, Sandy and Moni3 (I figure it'd still be on all yer watchlists :)) - here are a bunch of articles which need moving :)

All the pine species listed at List of pines by region should really be at their species scientific name, not common name. So have at it ...Cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-13T08:58:00.000Z","author":"Casliber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Casliber-2008-09-13T08:58:00.000Z-More_page_moves_for_admins_and_non-admins_to_practise_on","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, Karanacs, glad to see up above that you had moved out of Ike's way. I saw this and thought you, especially, would be interested in the place where Sam Houston, William Travis, and William Travis all planned the Texas Revolution. He hee. Hope you stay safe! — Bellhalla (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-13T12:37:00.000Z","author":"Bellhalla","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bellhalla-2008-09-13T12:37:00.000Z-Texas_Revolution_article_for_you_to_work_on,_perhaps?","replies":[]}}-->

Can you do me a favor and look over Horse and tell me what you think? We (the Equine Wikiproject) just put it up for GA, and it was quickfailed because it did not fit the "mold" of the other species articles. (I also suspect some personal issues but that's neither here nor there). We're probably going to take it to GAR, but we may just skip GA and take it to PR and then FAC, so we can avoid the one reviewer can fail an article for their own vision of the article problems. However, I'd appreciate second opinions, if possible. Ealdgyth - Talk 23:12, 20 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-20T23:12:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-20T23:12:00.000Z-Query...","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-21T20:24:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-20T23:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I will definitely take a look, but it may be Monday or Tuesday before I have a chance. Karanacs (talk) 20:24, 21 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-21T20:24:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-21T20:24:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-09-20T23:12:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-21T22:39:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-21T20:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries, things are mostly under control. Ealdgyth - Talk 22:39, 21 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-21T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-09-21T22:39:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-21T20:24:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Karanacs (talk) I have been out due to a very serious illness in my family, but am back, and have written a new article, [[9]], which could use your magic touch, if you have time! Thanks! JohninMaryland (talk) 11:41, 25 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-25T11:41:00.000Z","author":"JohninMaryland","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohninMaryland-2008-09-25T11:41:00.000Z-Hello,_and_help!","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, you are receiving this message because you voted in the last FAC for this article. Currently, it is undergoing a peer review and I invite you to come view the page and offer any suggestions for improvement here [10]. Over the past three months, the page has been improved with additional scholarly works, trims, two new sections suggested in and attention to concerns raised during the last FAC. Thanks in advance for your time, attention and help to bring this important article to FA. NancyHeise ^talk 23:41, 27 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-27T23:41:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-09-27T23:41:00.000Z-Roman_Catholic_Church","replies":["c-NancyHeise-2008-09-30T01:00:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-09-27T23:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Karanacs, once again, thank you for taking the time to come visit the page and offer your honest opinion for improvements. Your comments over the past nine months have significantly improved the page time and again and I think the page just keeps getting better at each pass. Some of your new comments conflict with another peer reviewers so I thought I would post the conflicting suggestions on the talk page in an effort to discover what consensus of editors would like to have happen in those instances. I just wanted to let you know what I was doing and why so you would not think I am not taking those comments seriously. It has been quite a task to find the common ground on certain issues with this article and consensus is the Wikipedia rule that will help us find our way out of those situations. Thanks again for all your help. NancyHeise ^talk 01:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T01:00:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-09-30T01:00:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-09-27T23:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there,

Thanks for your edits to that article! They seem to be fine, the information that you added is also correct, I checked your edits.

The Helpful One ^Review 18:24, 29 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-29T18:24:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-29T18:24:00.000Z-RE:_Harry_Potter","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-29T18:35:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-29T18:24:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

Thanks, I was actually going to notify you about them as soon as I finished looking at the plot summaries. I'll leave an FAC review soon too. Karanacs (talk) 18:35, 29 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-29T18:35:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-29T18:35:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-29T18:24:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T18:51:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-29T18:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok thanks. I've looked at the FAC, and been through as many comments as I can, I have a question about a couple of the comments - which I left at the FAC page, Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harry Potter. Could you please look over your comments and confirm that I've completed them? Thanks, The Helpful One ^Review 18:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T18:51:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T18:51:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-29T18:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T19:55:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T18:51:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

Re: The themes - this seems like it will take a bit of work, but do you know where I could start looking for themes and such? The Helpful One ^Review 19:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T19:55:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T19:55:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T18:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T20:08:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T19:55:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

I think you are right...this could be a very big task. I did a google books search on "Harry Potter" themes that returned a lot of books (and a few hits that seemed to be the music from the movies). There seem to be a lot on spiritual themes - I'm not sure how to narrow those down. There's also this one [11] written by philosophers and this one [12] (How Harry Cast his Spell by John Granger in 2008, so should have info on last book too) and J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter Novels By Philip Nel [13]. Google scholar also turns up some interesting things [14] [15], [16], but it may be more difficult to get access to those. I think you have a lot of reading ahead of you, but it ought to at least by interesting reading. If I weren't already knee-deep in books for my own project I'd love to help. Karanacs (talk) 20:08, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T20:08:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T20:08:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-09-30T19:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-01T20:02:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T20:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Does this themes section need to be detailed, per the history, I asked User:Ncmvocalist to help me out with this, as I wasn't able to understand the philosopher's texts! Thanks, The Helpful One ^Review 20:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-01T20:02:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T20:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-01T20:07:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-01T20:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

I added what I could. I don't think it needs to go in anymore detail than that. This series of books will always be exceptionally popular, and will have its fair share of themes. However, it will not come up to the level of classics like To Kill a Mockingbird and Sir Gawain and the Green Knight as they're in a completely different literary canon. So on that basis, I haven't gone into as much depth as the other classics, but it should be sufficient to cover the themes section of this summary style article. :) Good luck Thehelpfulone! Ncmvocalist (talk) 20:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Ncmvocalist","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-01T20:07:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-01T20:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-02T20:57:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-01T20:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

Do you have any other comments for improvements to the article? :) The Helpful One ^Review 20:57, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-02T20:57:00.000Z-Ncmvocalist-2008-10-01T20:07:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-03T16:48:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-02T20:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

You said on the FAC that The themes section, while an excellent addition, is not comprehensive enough - does this mean that I need to add more themes, or do I need to expand on the themes that are already there? The Helpful One ^Review 16:48, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T16:48:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-03T16:48:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-02T20:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-03T17:21:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-03T16:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"The"}}-->

I think there are additional themes that should be discussed. I'm not sure on whether the ones that are there need to be expanded - that is a question for the sources. In such a short time, I really don't see that the sources can be adequately reviewed to figure out what should go in there. I really recommend you withdraw the FAC nomination, work some more, and bring it back in a few months. Karanacs (talk) 17:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T17:21:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-03T17:21:00.000Z-Thehelpfulone-2008-10-03T16:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

ah, ha, you're on the job;[17] I can relax :-) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T21:27:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:27:00.000Z-Relief","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:35:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, I totally rock today ;) It seems to be my turn for catching weirdness (when's the last time I actually noticed 3 withdrawal requests?!?!) at FAC. Btw, I like most of the idea you presented on Malleus's page! Karanacs (talk) 21:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:35:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:36:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Three? What'd I miss now? I thought there were two? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:36, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T21:36:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:36:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:40:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

One yesterday. It still counts! Karanacs (talk) 21:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T21:40:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:40:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T21:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T22:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yesterday? You remember that far back? You youngster LOL! SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-09-30T22:00:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-09-30T22:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-09-30T21:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs, I have already answered a lot of your comments and I like very much your suggestion about moving the statistical info into a table. I was wondering if you could point me to a table you may have seen in another wikipage that you think might suit our page best. I have not made a table of statistics here on Wikipedia and I need a little help - an example or something. Thanks :) NancyHeise ^talk 17:46, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T17:46:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T17:46:00.000Z-Roman_Catholic_Church_peer_review","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-01T17:53:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T17:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Nancy, tables can be really tricky! It took me awhile to figure out how to do them. Here are a few examples on pages I've worked on:

• Spanish_Texas#Peace_with_France (this is pretty simple)
• Aggie_Bonfire#Design_change (this one is fancy, with lots of colors)

The help page for tables is here. If you have any issues when you've gotten started let me know and I wil take a look. Karanacs (talk) 17:53, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T17:53:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-01T17:53:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T17:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T22:42:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-01T17:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

Karanacs, I made a table that eliminates the entire first paragraph of the Demographics section. I want to know if you are OK with this or if you had something else in mind. Let me know. Thanks for your help. NancyHeise ^talk 22:42, 1 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-01T22:42:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T22:42:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-01T17:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-02T14:15:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T22:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nancy, that looks really good. It makes the information a lot easier to digest than a string of text and may help people to better grasp the sheer size of the organization. Karanacs (talk) 14:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-02T14:15:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-01T22:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-NancyHeise-2008-10-04T01:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-02T14:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for providing me with an example of manual ref format, I am beginning the edit now to eliminate the templates. NancyHeise ^talk 01:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-04T01:00:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-10-04T01:00:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-02T14:15:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The Johnson page and FAC is getting out of hand. Ottava Rima (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T16:13:00.000Z","author":"Ottava Rima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ottava_Rima-2008-10-02T16:13:00.000Z-Johnson_2","replies":["c-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T16:52:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-10-02T16:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I must concur. If you can explain any of Ottava Rima's claims about citation or policy, I would appreciate it. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:52, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T16:52:00.000Z","author":"Pmanderson","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T16:52:00.000Z-Ottava_Rima-2008-10-02T16:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-02T18:24:00.000Z-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T16:52:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Septentrionalis"}}-->

I'm not ignoring you two, but I only have a few minutes before I'll be off-wiki for a bit. I'll try to catch up on what is going on later today. Karanacs (talk) 18:24, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T18:24:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-02T18:24:00.000Z-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T16:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T19:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-02T18:24:00.000Z"]}}-->

By the way, it's a content RFC; if the FAC is closed, I see no need for more. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:35, 2 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-02T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Pmanderson","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Pmanderson-2008-10-02T19:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-02T18:24:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Septentrionalis"}}-->

(Cross-posted to a couple of other talkpages, if you think it looks familiar. Any TPSs, feel free to join in.)
I've totally rewritten Bruce Castle from a stub to a Long Rambling Piece (and in a burst of vanity, timed it so this edit would be edit 100,000).

This is the third, and final part of my Lordship Lane triptych (along with The Mall Wood Green and Broadwater Farm), and has been the trickiest one to write. Because Bruce Castle is a distinctly dull building (architecturally, it's only really notable for being old), I've taken a Giano-horrifying approach and virtually ignored the architecture; instead, I've tried to write it as a chronological piece, focusing on the occupants of the house in the context of the social changes in the area. This has left it with some gaping holes; most notably that the architectural sections are weak (albeit mainly because there are no records of construction and the building isn't particularly distinguished).

Any comments, criticism, copyediting or rewriting gratefully received… – iridescent 00:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T00:03:00.000Z","author":"Iridescent","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iridescent-2008-10-03T00:03:00.000Z-Bruce_Castle","replies":[],"displayName":"iride"}}-->

Karanacs, if you have any thoughts and had the time to have a look at this query about sources for Carmen Rodriguez, I'd be most grateful. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 22:15, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T22:15:00.000Z","author":"Jbmurray","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jbmurray-2008-10-03T22:15:00.000Z-RS_question","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your edits to Philitas of Cos. Also, thanks for your comments at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Philitas of Cos; I've responded there. Eubulides (talk) 22:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-03T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Eubulides","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eubulides-2008-10-03T22:27:00.000Z-Philitas_of_Cos","replies":[]}}-->

re deleted Harvester42 ...why did you delete the harvester42 article? without any discussion -without any warning - without sending the author an email and even without reading/following the link. If you would have done so, you would have realized immediately that this is an ongoing search engine project at KIT Karlsruhe institute of technology... (and definitely worth writing an article about....i am a bit shocked about your "admin" behaviour...this is definitel NOT wikipedia style... (nor is my complain here, but "actio=reactio"...)

greetings

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harvester42 Karanacs (talk) 21:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-05T21:35:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-05T21:35:00.000Z-re_deleted_Harvester42","replies":[]}}-->

I think I've got one close to whipped into shape, so if you could take a gander at Robert of Jumièges and tell me what I've overlooked/messed up/etc I'd greatly appreciate it. Ealdgyth - Talk 19:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T19:08:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:08:00.000Z-It's_that_time_again...","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-06T19:19:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh goody, I remember being curious about him when I was reading Stigand. I will take a look tomorrow. I just set up a peer review for Battle of the Alamo. I know the article is crazy long, but if you have a chance could you take a brief look over it with an eye to seeing if it actually makes sense in its current structure and doesn't send too pro-Texan? Karanacs (talk) 19:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T19:19:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-06T19:19:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:08:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:23:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-06T19:19:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gladly! Anything to escape packing books! (grins) The worst part is... you try to pack the things you use least first, but inevitably, they turn out to be the ONE thing you need... Ealdgyth - Talk 19:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T19:23:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:23:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-06T19:19:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T20:22:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I looked, and yeah, it needs a copyedit, but structurally it looks pretty good. I do strongly suggest finding Mexican legacies and perhaps a Mexican history or three also, to help with balance. Mainly, it's pretty balanced, it just wouldn't hurt to have one or two to help with appearances. The only place that I really noticed balance lacking was the Legacy, where there was no coverage of how Mexicans look on the battle. Surely they've filmed it or something, right? Ealdgyth - Talk 20:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T20:22:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T20:22:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-06T20:39:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T20:22:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for taking a look so quickly! Your legacy comments are something I hadn't even thought of. None of my English sources mentioned modern Mexican depictions of the battle. My fear is that those sources will all be in Spanish, and the only non-curse words I can read in Spanish are spelled like French words. I will do some more digging and maybe bribe jbmurray or one of his students to help me translate. And btw, I totally sympathize with the packing. I am pretty picky about how my books get packed - they must all be labelled so that I can find whichever book I am looking for, and heaven help the packer who puts Robards in the same box with Crichton. Karanacs (talk) 20:39, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-06T20:39:00.000Z-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T20:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jbmurray-2008-10-06T20:44:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-06T20:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Feel free to fling Spanish-language stuff in my direction, yes. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 20:44, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Jbmurray","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jbmurray-2008-10-06T20:44:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-06T20:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T21:00:00.000Z-Jbmurray-2008-10-06T20:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I had a feeling he might be lurking around somewhere... (grins) Ealdgyth - Talk 21:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T21:00:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-06T21:00:00.000Z-Jbmurray-2008-10-06T20:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have not forgotten Robert, but I rediscovered the downside of being a salaried employee yesterday - I got to work half the night last night and still haven't totally solved the "crisis" :P Hopefully tonight or tomorrow I'll get a bit of a break. Karanacs (talk) 17:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T17:28:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-09T17:28:00.000Z-It's_that_time_again...","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-09T17:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-09T17:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

No worries at all. Brian and Malleus have been on his case, and I've been catching up on a backlog of journal articles that need to be sifted into articles... blech. Ealdgyth - Talk 17:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T17:35:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-09T17:35:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-09T17:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, Karanacs, thanks for the issues you raised concerning the FAC for Operation Tractable. I'll do my best to decrease my reliance on them as much as possible over the next few days. Feel free to check back in every so often. Regards, Cam (Chat) 23:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-06T23:37:00.000Z","author":"Climie.ca","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Climie.ca-2008-10-06T23:37:00.000Z-RE:_Op_Tractable_FAC","replies":["c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T05:33:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-06T23:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cam"}}-->

Alright, the usage of the semi-reliable sites has been almost stamped out (from 2 dozen usages several days ago to seven usages now). Would you be able to comment on the FAC again to see if anything needs addressing? All the best, Cam (Chat) 05:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T05:33:00.000Z","author":"Climie.ca","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T05:33:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-06T23:37:00.000Z","replies":["c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:18:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T05:33:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cam"}}-->

Thanks for the response. I was sure that at least one of my other sources cited it, although I don't have the page # off the top of my head. I'll give it a look over, and check every WWII book I possess to find that bloody statistic. Thanks for pointing out the remaining flaws. I'm slightly relieved that the prose wasn't as big of an issue this time (on the first FAC I did, the prose was the big problem, and the sourcing was fine). All the best, Cam (Chat) 22:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Climie.ca","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:18:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T05:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:28:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cam"}}-->

Got it. Cam (Chat) 22:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T22:28:00.000Z","author":"Climie.ca","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:28:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:18:00.000Z","replies":["c-Climie.ca-2008-10-10T00:05:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:28:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Cam"}}-->

Ok. I found a better source for the casualty statistic (it simply has the 5,500 part, so I'll change that). Cam (Chat) 00:05, 10 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-10T00:05:00.000Z","author":"Climie.ca","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Climie.ca-2008-10-10T00:05:00.000Z-Climie.ca-2008-10-09T22:28:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Cam"}}-->

I do not know what I can say in reply to this which will not be taken as further disrespect. But you seem to be able to get through to your Telemachus; please try again. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 05:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-07T05:52:00.000Z","author":"Pmanderson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pmanderson-2008-10-07T05:52:00.000Z-Please_mentor","replies":[],"displayName":"Septentrionalis"}}-->

One of the advantages of not having many supporters at your RFA is that there are fewer people to thank at the end. Thanks for your support and your willingness to look at my complete record. I'm going to try to interpret this resounding defeat as a statement that I should choose my words more carefully in the future, and remember that every statement I make gets recorded forever, just waiting to get carefully transcribed onto my next RFA. I would go insane if I believed that it was repudiation of what I truly meant: that no editor should consciously and willfully ignore guidelines and policies, and editors that repeatedly do so should not be rewarded for or supported in doing so.

I'm sure I'll get back to full speed editing soon, because, after all, , every day, and in every way, I am getting better and better.—Kww(talk) 05:39, 9 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-09T05:39:00.000Z","author":"Kww","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kww-2008-10-09T05:39:00.000Z-All_is_for_the_best,_in_this,_the_best_of_all_possible_worlds","replies":[]}}-->

I thought I'd ask, because of lack of activity on your FAC page where I left comments a few days ago. I do hope you are well and not suffering from something. I shall be in only intermittent contact during the next week, as I am going away, but I will try to keep up with what's going on, FAC-wise. Best wishes, Brianboulton (talk) 00:12, 11 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-11T00:12:00.000Z","author":"Brianboulton","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Brianboulton-2008-10-11T00:12:00.000Z-Are_you_OK?","replies":["c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-11T00:22:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2008-10-11T00:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Note Karan's note above about your friend Robert... work caught her! Ealdgyth - Talk 00:22, 11 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-11T00:22:00.000Z","author":"Ealdgyth","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Ealdgyth-2008-10-11T00:22:00.000Z-Brianboulton-2008-10-11T00:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Karen, I am trying to get this article to GA level, but I need help. It really needs another set of eyes, someone with very good editing skills and who can address the issues raised in the discussion page. If you could help, that would be appreciated. I have recently borrowed the most quoted book (Darwin Rebellion by Frank Alcorta) from my local library and can quote any page numbers, if you think necessay. There is no rush, but would appreciate any assistance you can offer. Regards, Spy007au (talk) 06:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-11T06:43:00.000Z","author":"Spy007au","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spy007au-2008-10-11T06:43:00.000Z-Darwin_Rebellion","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs/Archive 8, you posted at one or more of the recent discussions of short FAs. There's now a proposal to change the featured article criteria that attempts to address this. Please take a look and consider adding your comments to the straw poll there. Mike Christie (talk) 19:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-11T19:28:00.000Z","author":"Mike Christie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mike_Christie-2008-10-11T19:28:00.000Z-FACR","replies":[]}}-->

What was that? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T02:26:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-12T02:26:00.000Z-Huh?","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-12T02:30:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-12T02:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was just about to leave you a message (once again, you are faster than me). Work is crazy right now, and I don't have time to take care of the concerns that the reviewers have listed so far. I'm not sure when I'll be back to normal working hours, so it's best that I withdraw the nomination. Sorry - I should have mentioned it to you first. Karanacs (talk) 02:30, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T02:30:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-12T02:30:00.000Z-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-12T02:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-12T02:34:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-12T02:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

You had me worried ... I hope things settle down soon. Best, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:34, 12 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-12T02:34:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-12T02:34:00.000Z-Karanacs-2008-10-12T02:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I am planning on nominating this article for FAC soon, but I am particularly unhappy with the writing. The article describes a rather confusing piece of literature and I am worried that I have not described it clearly or concisely. If you could copyedit the lead and "Composition and publication", I would be ever so grateful! Awadewit (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-13T16:59:00.000Z","author":"Awadewit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Awadewit-2008-10-13T16:59:00.000Z-History_of_a_Six_Weeks'_Tour","replies":["c-Karanacs-2008-10-14T12:43:00.000Z-Awadewit-2008-10-13T16:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'd be happy to, but I won't be able to get to it until next week. I'll be without internet access for the next few days. Karanacs (talk) 12:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-14T12:43:00.000Z","author":"Karanacs","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Karanacs-2008-10-14T12:43:00.000Z-Awadewit-2008-10-13T16:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs, I realize you're busy, but when you come up for air, could you please take a look at this article to see if the changes made since its last FAC are to your satisfaction? I wasn't able to address all the feedback at the time, but have since gone back and expanded the article. It's greatly improved, I think. Thanks, I appreciate it. --Figureskatingfan (talk) 04:42, 17 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-17T04:42:00.000Z","author":"Figureskatingfan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Figureskatingfan-2008-10-17T04:42:00.000Z-I_Know_Why_the_Caged_Bird_Sings","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, I was just wondering, I have cut down the article and I would really appreciate if you would take a look at it. Thanks! Limetolime ^{Talk to me • look what I did!} 16:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-18T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Limetolime","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Limetolime-2008-10-18T16:03:00.000Z-The_Muppets'_Wizard_of_Oz","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Karanacs, I notice you are mentoring one of the students at WikiProject AP Biology 2008. The FA-Team has just launched a mission to help this project, and also WikiProject North of the Rio Grande, improve articles towards featured quality. I'm hoping you would like to renew your membership of the team and support a couple more articles. Please add your name to the articles you are watchlisting on the mission page. Thanks, Geometry guy 19:31, 19 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-19T19:31:00.000Z","author":"Geometry guy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Geometry_guy-2008-10-19T19:31:00.000Z-FA-Team_help_requested","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there! You reviewed the article for its last FA candidacy, and I know you're probably busy at the moment, but when you have time, would you please take a look at the article's prose? I've done a little streamlining, but it would be really helpful to have an experienced editor/pair of fresh eyes take a look at it before I take it back to FAC. Thanks! Ink Runner (talk) 05:57, 28 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-28T05:57:00.000Z","author":"Ink Runner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ink_Runner-2008-10-28T05:57:00.000Z-Ayumi_Hamasaki","replies":[]}}-->

Please come give us your opinion by voting here [18], Thanks! NancyHeise ^talk 17:21, 29 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-29T17:21:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-10-29T17:21:00.000Z-New_Consensus_sought_on_lead_sentence","replies":["c-NancyHeise-2008-10-30T03:28:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-29T17:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hello again, if I can try your patience a bit more- I am conducting now a new vote here [19] but this is on whether or not you think the sources support the article text in note 1 which follows Catholic Church in the lead sentence. Soidi has challenged that my sources do not support the text. Please come give me your opinion so I can have consensus either one way or the other so we can move forward. NancyHeise ^talk 03:28, 30 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-30T03:28:00.000Z","author":"NancyHeise","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-NancyHeise-2008-10-30T03:28:00.000Z-NancyHeise-2008-10-29T17:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Karanacs, I'm seeking an independent second opinion: see my talk page and the talk page at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Millennium '73. I'm comfortable moving entire chunks of off-topic text to talk, but I'm less comfortable refactoring to remove portions of someone's declaration. Do you think it's acceptable to delete the last sentence of the declaration in question, considering that it's all been moved to talk now? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 05:52, 31 October 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-10-31T05:52:00.000Z","author":"SandyGeorgia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SandyGeorgia-2008-10-31T05:52:00.000Z-Admin_second_opinion","replies":[]}}-->

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