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I've just updated the permissions to a photo of Alex Chilton that you previously questioned a different user for uploading without getting permission. I have made sure to get the needed permission from the record company site it was taken from. I'm going to add it to the Alex Chilton page in a bit. Bebop 05:46, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I made further changes to the early years of independent existence. Would you mind reviewing the wording for me? Thanks in advance! Ejrrjs 11:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for your question. I have answered in the same page. --Vivero 22:54, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel, I know this will interest you: Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Jewish Russian people [1] and Wikipedia:Categories for deletion#Category:Jews [2] Some people are confused about the ethnicity vs. the religious aspects. Thanks. IZAK 14:32, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

laicite page has been cropped. I aint admin, and so the reverting is hard for me-change it back will you? Cheers

Thanks for your answer, Joe! It would be interesting to find the real identity of Patient Zero, through, ah? Because, sad but true, this was a person who made history.

Anyways, thanks and God bless you!

Sincerely yours, "Antonio Madonna Lauper Martin"

You said: "I'm confused, Quadell, are you suggesting that because he is strongly opinionated I should just let him do whatever he wants to articles? Or that I should "balance" him with deliberately POV edits of my own? Or what?"

Oh, no. I meant it's best to decline to debate his politics on the talk page. On the article itself, you have to insist on NPOV.

He's opinionated to the point of being obnoxious, and it's tempting to get into a long and angry debate with him on talk pages, not about the text that should appear on the article page, but in rebuttal to the things he says on the talk page. I've seen it, plenty of times. I've given up trying to talk Silverback into not provoking other people. Instead I try to talk other people into not being provoked. Hope this helps.  – Quadell ^{(talk) (help)}[[]] 13:56, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)

• • Not to intrude into anyone else's business, but I couldnt help but read this tidbit, since when I was a new wikipedian I had to learn about NPOV the hard way. A couple of my first articles, for example, compared Carlos Monzon with Fidel Castro and said that Felix Trinidad "destroyed Maurice Blocker".

At the time, I saw this as a magazine. After I learned the ropes, I stopped saying things like what I used to put on my articles. Maybe we should tell Silverbullet that he shall not put his own views on articles because this isnt a magazine. If he still doesnt understand, as they said in Puerto Rico's version of Remote Control: "Pa fuera! Pa la Calle!", in other words, can him then.

Good luck, Quad and Joe! God bless you two!

Sincerely yours, "Antonio Remote Controlled Martin"

thanks! :) Slrubenstein

Re: punk rock

I'd like to attempt to justify the adding of Canada to the cultural origins of punk.

First, here is an excerpt from the page:

"In the mid-1970s, influential punk bands emerged separately in three different corners of the world: The Ramones in New York, The Saints in Australia, and the Sex Pistols, in London. In each case, these bands were operating within a small "scene" which included other bands..."

While perhaps not as widely influential as the Ramones, The Saints, or the Sex Pistols, Canada indeed had its own mid 1970's punk scenes that included bands like: The Viletones, The Battered Wives, The Demics, and of course Teenage Head (all operating in the Queen Street scene of Toronto around 1977), not to mention The Pointed Sticks, The Schmorgs, The K-Tels, and Young Canadians (all operating in scenes on the West Coast, particularly Vancouver, as early as 1976). The influence of these bands in Canada was and is great, and their sound suggested new Canadian bands to come, such as D.O.A, Nomeansno, SNFU, and Subhumans (the Canadian punks, not the British ones)

If it's an issue of timliness rather than influence, these Canadian bands where rocking out in unison with their contemporaries. The Saints released their first album under that name in 1976, The Sex Pistols released "Never Mind the Bollocks, Its the Sex Pistols" in 1977, the self-titled Clash album came out in 1977, and The Damned released their first album in 1976. Just for contrast, The Viletones released "Screaming Fist" in 1977 on Razor Records.

I think that this might serve to justify a place for Canada in the cultural origins of punk rock--it was an implicitly organic sound that emerged out of the breakdown of cultural traditions, i.e. it was a punk sound that was entirely culturally original. If you and others disagree, I promise I won't keep putting it up for you to take it down.

(unsigned, but this was User:Brooker). -- Jmabel | Talk 01:23, Dec 4, 2004 (UTC)

Will do. Thank you for your interest. Regards, Redux 18:16, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I Jmabel. That issue appears to be resolved, but in a rather concerning way (please read MacGyver's comment on his talk page and my follow up). Following up on MacGyver's encounter with Pinnecco, I decided to go out of my way and ckeck Pinnecco's list of contributions. See my latest entry in village pump and you'll see that there seems to be smoke in the air. I really hope I'm wrong, but it might take an Admin to handle this guy. Regards, Redux 01:11, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your follow up. I didn't mean for you, as an Admin, to be my "bulldog" in "handling" Pinnecco, sorry if it might have sounded like that. I intended that last sentence as a comment, since you posted in my talk page and you happened to be an Admin, meaning that an Admin's intervention may be (or not) necessary in the future, should his attitude not change. I guess I misspoke, sorry. I won't start a "let's ban Pinnecco" campaign just yet. I believe at least some of his work so far will be reviewed and he will be approached by other users. The reason why I'm not doing all the reviewing myself is that it could create the sense that I'm in a cruzade against him because he edited an article I had written (and it's even worse if he starts to believe that and decides to retaliate), which is certainly not the case. I expect to observe how he will react to this before I even consider any action. As I said before, I hope he proves me wrong. Regards, Redux 02:03, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A Newmanite has arrived to push his POV. Since you say you're familiar with her, I thought you might be of assistance. (I'm just familiar enough to know that her relationship with Fred Newman needs to be explained in the article.) RadicalSubversiv E 22:06, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have added book and web referrences to the spanish article, as promised. I think I can help with some of the translation problems (from the Spanish side of the translation, of course). I will add this in the discussion page of Francisco Hernández, where the translation problems are described. --Vivero 22:56, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I didn't delete anybody's comment or vote. I made a footnote underneath the votes saying the votes were invalid with a link to the contributions page as an explanation. Do not lecture me when I have done nothing wrong. Reene^✎ 08:02, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Except they're not gone. They're still there, just with my footnotes beneath them. He's accused me of removing them on the VfD pages as well. I don't get it. Perhaps he's just confused. Reene^✎ 08:09, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, I should have realized as much. I'm sorry for snapping at you. I have had a very long day, but that is no excuse. I hope you'll accept my apology. Reene^✎ 08:17, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for your interest in the new project on academic research about Wikipedia, Wikidemia. It would be wonderful if you'd like to get involved! I think the project page had a small section titled "Participants" when you visited, but your comment on the talk page there indicates "Members" is a better label. I'm very excited about this project, but also still a relative newbie, so as things proceed I would be extremely grateful for your feedback and help both about research ideas and about how best to organize the project. Tobacman 07:17, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

L'Elenco Telefonico di Uqbar is one instance of a variant of the game Lexicon, a game in which people take on the roles of encyclopedants and construct an encyclopedia together. I thought you'd appreciate it. +sj + 19:55, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

and Wikidemia looks quite interesting...

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Alberuni/Evidence [3]. IZAK 19:05, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You know, you're probably right, while it is a profound and insightful quotation, but it isn't something that he is widely known for. I'm rather new to this, so if you could move it to Wikiquote for me, that would be fantastic. Cheers Micah 01:31, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, I don't regard it as nearly complete or well enough written yet, and certainly haven't reached down the page far enough to add the bibliographical references. Regular writing (The Pyramid and the Sphere) takes precedence at the moment. The article is in far better shape for being under your guidance and I marvel at your patience on the liberalism and conservatism pages in keeping the material from falling into a shapeless mass of comments, rants and POV. Stirling Newberry 04:37, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You say you translated this. Is this really your translation work and not just a machine translation?
I translated it with Babelfish [4]. After that, I went down the road to buy a newspaper, and you noticed it before I came back to the work and tidied it. Anthony Appleyard 09:21, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just FYI: I blocked 220.236.152.72 for you. -- ClockworkSoul 07:30, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The edits in Shudra don't seem unreasonable, which mostly stems from the very bad state of this article and other articles on Indian caste system. For instance, he deleted [5] a paragraph I tried to NPOVify [6] some time ago, but wasn't sure whether deletion would be better.

I also had a quick look on some of his other edits. If he would start responding to discussion, and stop deleting other POVs, there may be some relevant POVs in his edits, which should be kept.

Pjacobi 14:50, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Should RFC pages be placed on VfD to be deleted? I'm considering removing Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Slrubenstein, Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Jwrosenzweig and Wikipedia:Requests for comment/John Kenney from WP:VFD. Each of them was listed by CheeseDreams. Your comments on whether I should do this would be appreciated. - Ta bu shi da yu 03:51, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I think that the process should be the same as for a main-space page; clearly, in all of these cases the emerging consensus is to keep, but I could imagine a good reason to delete an RFC page. After all, if we decide RFC pages can never be deleted, then they become magnets for inappropriate material and someone will start one for that purpose. -- Jmabel | Talk 07:41, Dec 10, 2004 (UTC)

Good point. I'm not going to remove, though maybe a policy needs to be ammended or a new one should be proposed. Not sure what the process is. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:02, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi! Thanks for uploading Image:Osona Arms.png. I notice it currently doesn't have an image copyright tag. Could you add one to let us know its copyright status? (You can use {{gfdl}} if you release it under the GFDL, or {{fairuse}} if you claim fair use, etc.) If you don't know what any of this means, just let me know where you got the images and I'll tag them for you. Thanks so much, Edwinstearns 18:23, 10 Dec 2004 (UTC)

A couple of things;

1. On behalf of the entire wikipedia community, thanks for you trnaslation work.
2. As per you request on Talk:History of Nuevo León, i uploaded the images to commons, however i have not added them to the article because there was no copyright notice on the origanal pics on es, so i have left at note on the talk page of the user who origanaly uploaded them requesting clarification.
3. I created Fiestas of Nuevo León, however i got a little confused translating the first paragraph, could you have a quick squiz (the origanal spanish is commented out at the moment)
4. Re: you speil on systemic bias; i dont know if actively trying to recruit contributors (from particualar backgrounds) is a good thing. I like the idea of providing access in disadvantaged areas (as has been discussed by the foundation), but actively pimping wikimedia/pedia to certain groups (or anyone at all for that matter) is a bit to close to advertising for my liking. As for important issues that are not at the moment covered (like everything to do with africa for example) i think that it will slowly right itself, and as it does it will draw in more people from those under-represented groups, but while a digital divide exists, we will never be able to properly banish our systemic bias. The bellman 09:43, 2004 Dec 11 (UTC)

Hi Jmabel: Recently the Jew page had a make-over with the creation of a new {{Jews and Judaism sidebar}} template (Template:Jews and Judaism sidebar). Material from the main article was moved to create some new indvidual articles. One section that I know you wrote is being discussed, so please see Template_talk:Jew#Secular_Jewish_Culture your views are needed. There is also discussion about the main table on the Jew page that I know you have an interest in, see that at Talk:Jew#Jew_template and the other needs relating to new spin-off articles, see Talk:Jew#Changes to the Template/New articles. Thanks and be well. IZAK 05:12, 12 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia have a system of monitoring how many people visit a page on a certain day? Sometimes I wonder how many people are reading what we write. (Decius)

Thanks for the help with the signature code thing. I'm not in any way closely related to Cristian Craciun, but a relation is possible going further back. At the moment, I can trace back my Craciun family to Ion Craciun, my great-grandfather, who lived in Vaslui county near the town of Cetatuia, as I remember. If I checked records I could find out more I guess. I don't know if you already know this, but 'Craciun' means 'Christmas' in Romanian, and 'Ion' is the Romanian equivalent of 'John', so in English my Great-Grandfather's name would be 'John Christmas'. Anyway, thanks. (Decius)

Your Romanian is quite good. :)(Decius)

The site is now read-write again. It was switched to emergency read ony mode on the standby database master for about 15 minutes. More details over at BerliOS. Jamesday 09:46, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I need some help. I want to contact some Romanian linguists of good standing to look at my research and get some opinions, positive or negative, but I don't have any connections. All I have is an email adress of this Thracologist named Sorin Olteanu but I couldn't get through. I'd appreciate whatever help I can get. (Decius) ````

Okay, thanks, I'll see what happens. Decius 23:58, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Rewritten some of my changes to meet some of your criticism on this article. Let me known what you think. --Martin Wisse 21:54, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• "also, no one has been able to produce any citation on the claim that his personal doctor said that he committed suicide. I've asked." You can find the interview with the eye-witness, Dr. Patricio Guijón (who by the way, was not Allende's personal doctor, but just one of the doctors that happened to be assigned to La Moneda Palace's infirmary) in pag. 282 and followings of the book "El dia en que murio Allende" ("The day that Allende Died") compiled by Mr Ignacio Gonzalez Camus, the Chilean Institute of Humanistic Studies (ICHEH) and the CESOC, in 1988. I recommend that book as being probably the only book that is completely based on personal interviews with the "then" survivors, from both sides of the coup, and probably one of the more impartial ones written to date. Mel Romero 03:12, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• By the way, I am also trying to find the interview with Mrs. Isabel Allende, surviving daughter of Mr. Allende, and a member of the Chilean Congress to date, in which she acknowledges the fact that Mr. Allende committed suicide. That interview happened when she took office as president of the Chamber of Deputies a couple of years back, and caused quite a stir on the leftist political parties at the time. Mel Romero 03:12, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I'm just wondering, given your recent edits at Exilarch: what is supposed to be the problem with using a left square bracket as a normal character? Why put a nowiki element around it when it doesn't need one? There has been a lot of this lately. Is it a new standard? If so, where is it documented? -- Jmabel | Talk 19:03, Dec 15, 2004 (UTC)

There have been people running scripts to find syntax errors on pages, these scripts often pull up examples where a square bracket is being used as normal character. Exilarch was one such page, so I added the nowiki bit, thus "fixing" it from the point of view of the script. Apologies if a messed up the page, I suppose that these projects are a wee bit questionable, encouraging people to edit pages that they have no "interest" in. Suggest you consider bringing this up here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Wiki_Syntax? Grinner 10:14, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

Please, by all means feel free to help us out! I am also interested in the history of computers. Feel free to totally change the structure of the project. Be as ruthless as you want, I'm quite happy to see what people come up with! I reckon we already have so much information on computing topics it just needs polishing. Hopefully if this project gets off the ground we can make a Wikireader on computers: one that's as good as the crypto guys have. - Ta bu shi da yu 07:50, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I had reservations about doing it myself because at times he is willing to play by the rules while disagreeing with other users such as myself. However, there can be no appearance of a conflict of interest in me blocking him at this stage, as his latest behavior on Talk:Joseph Stalin constitutes unambiguous vandalism and warrants a block. 172 16:59, 17 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hi Joe, I've had a shot at including the American origins of folk-rock and stressing that Fairport Convention's brand was British folk-rock.

I'm not sure quite how to refer to Pete frame's family tree (although I agree it deserves a mention).

Your comments would be most welcom. Andy F 10:03, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I guess I was mistaken. I thought that self-linking the title on first use was desirable, so that when the page is includedsomewhere else (like when part of it is included on the Main Page as a featured article), the first use would be a link to the full article. But MoS says otherwise. Oddly, Wikipedia:Self link says nothing about this form of self link as ever being undesirable.

As for "transclusion", it's a word I've found among other Wikis referring to the concept of including one page within another. - [[User:KeithTyler|Keith D. Tyler [flame]]] 22:12, Dec 20, 2004 (UTC)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestosis_-_Compensation_and_Liability_Disputes

Thanks for your contribution.

Significant revision in progress. Please re-visit and comment, if you consider appropriate.

Hello, are you able to view User:IndigoGenius/Micronation? Could you please email a copy of it to me? [[User:Eequor|‣ᓛᖁᑐ]] 03:34, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Mentioning that was perfect. It helps put the often insular sports world into more of a cultural context and is exactly right for an encyclopedia article. Pretty good for someone who doesn't care about professional sports whatsoever. --Michael Snow 17:40, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well, I did figure you weren't completely ignorant. But no, I wasn't looking to cram a full blow-by-blow, season-by-season recap of Seattle's sports teams into this article. That kind of detail would belong in a Sports in Seattle article, whenever someone wants to get around to writing it. --Michael Snow 18:23, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Joe, sorry to put you to the trouble of all that work on an already good article...but I have to say, you did outstanding work and it looks fantastic. I was worried you'd be a bit (justifiably) grouchy with me for nitpicking such a good article. :-) Thanks for your hard work. As far as Pearson goes, sadly I only know a little -- my sister devours his novels (which seem to be in stores everywhere I look) and she always talks about how vividly they portray the streets of Seattle. I'll let him drop since our article doesn't reflect it -- it was just odd to see a category for "detective fiction" and not see his name. I'm going to go be enthusiastic in support of the article right now -- thanks again. :-) Jwrosenzweig 18:36, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

By the way, if you've intentionally nicknamed me "Jay" it doesn't bother me at all, but my given name is "James" and I usually go by it. :-) Like I said, nicknames matter not at all to me (I get called many crazy things here, thanks to my ill-chosen handle), but I do try to comment when it looks to me like they may be intending to use my first name. On another note, what the heck should we do about this meetup? Are we going to have to leave notes on people's talk pages again? Or is once every couple of months too often for folks to drive in from out of town? I can't tell... Jwrosenzweig 19:01, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Well...I am sure I will go if it's on the 15th, but I will probably only be able to stay for a couple of hours (and definitely no socializing afterwards). I'll have 90 sophomore essays to grade (hopefully not 90 sophomoric essays) and a limited amount of time in which to grade them. The 29th would allow me to be there for much longer. But if it is better for others in general, I don't think we should change the 15th on my account. Given the small number of committed attendees at this point, should we hit people's talk pages to ask them to come and vote on a date, or do you think that will limit our response? Jwrosenzweig 19:38, 22 Dec 2004 (UTC)