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Administrators' newsletter – January 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (December 2018).

Guideline and policy news

  1. G14 (new): Disambiguation pages that disambiguate only zero or one existing pages are now covered under the new G14 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-disambig}}; the text is unchanged and candidates may be found in Category:Candidates for speedy deletion as unnecessary disambiguation pages.
  2. R4 (new): Redirects in the file namespace (and no file links) that have the same name as a file or redirect at Commons are now covered under the new R4 criterion (discussion). This is {{db-redircom}}; the text is unchanged.
  3. G13 (expanded): Userspace drafts containing only the default Article Wizard text are now covered under G13 along with other drafts (discussion). Such blank drafts are now eligible after six months rather than one year, and taggers continue to use {{db-blankdraft}}.

Technical news

  • Starting on December 13, the Wikimedia Foundation security team implemented new password policy and requirements. Privileged accounts (administrators, bureaucrats, checkusers, oversighters, interface administrators, bots, edit filter managers/helpers, template editors, et al.) must have a password at least 10 characters in length. All accounts must have a password:
  1. At least 8 characters in length
  2. Not in the 100,000 most popular passwords (defined by the Password Blacklist library)
  3. Different from their username
User accounts not meeting these requirements will be prompted to update their password accordingly. More information is available on MediaWiki.org.
  • Blocked administrators may now block the administrator that blocked them. This was done to mitigate the possibility that a compromised administrator account would block all other active administrators, complementing the removal of the ability to unblock oneself outside of self-imposed blocks. A request for comment is currently in progress to determine whether the blocking policy should be updated regarding this change.
  • {{Copyvio-revdel}} now has a link to open the history with the RevDel checkboxes already filled in.

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Accounts continue to be compromised on a regular basis. Evidence shows this is entirely due to the accounts having the same password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately.
  • Around 22% of admins have enabled two-factor authentication, up from 20% in June 2018. If you haven't already enabled it, please consider doing so. Regardless of whether you use 2FA, please practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.

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Nomination of Organizing (structure) for deletion

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Proposed deletion of Rex Kudo

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Nomination of Rex Kudo for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Rex Kudo is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Administrators' newsletter – February 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (January 2019).

Administrator changes

added EnterpriseyJJMC89
readded BorgQueen
removed Harro5Jenks24GraftR. Baley

Interface administrator changes

removedEnterprisey

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is currently open to reevaluate the activity requirements for administrators.
  • Administrators who are blocked have the technical ability to block the administrator who blocked their own account. A recent request for comment has amended the blocking policy to clarify that this ability should only be used in exceptional circumstances, such as account compromises, where there is a clear and immediate need.
  • A request for comment closed with a consensus in favor of deprecating The Sun as a permissible reference, and creating an edit filter to warn users who attempt to cite it.

Technical news

  • A discussion regarding an overhaul of the format and appearance of Wikipedia:Requests for page protection is in progress (permalink). The proposed changes will make it easier to create requests for those who are not using Twinkle. The workflow for administrators at this venue will largely be unchanged. Additionally, there are plans to archive requests similar to how it is done at WP:PERM, where historical records are kept so that prior requests can more easily be searched for.

Miscellaneous

  • Voting in the 2019 Steward elections will begin on 08 February 2019, 14:00 (UTC) and end on 28 February 2019, 13:59 (UTC). The confirmation process of current stewards is being held in parallel. You can automatically check your eligibility to vote.
  • A new IRC bot is available that allows you to subscribe to notifications when specific filters are tripped. This requires that your IRC handle be identified.

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Proposed deletion of Institute for Collaborative Engagement

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The article Institute for Collaborative Engagement has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

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While all constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, pages may be deleted for any of several reasons.

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Edit to Ecliptic talk page

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Your addition to Talk:Ecliptic had no discernible relation to the article, or to the topic of the Ecliptic. Pleas use talk pages for their intended purpose of improving Wikipedia articles. Jc3s5h (talk) 13:18, 8 February 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-08T13:18:00.000Z","author":"Jc3s5h","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jc3s5h-2019-02-08T13:18:00.000Z-Edit_to_Ecliptic_talk_page","replies":[]}}-->

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re my revert

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Not sure what you're up to at talk:One Ring, but you broke the link to user:Darth Newdar. I cited wp:NOTFORUM, but I have no objection if you want to reinstate it; just be a little careful with the formatting! (PS: I do climb mountains. On occasion.) -- Elphion (talk) 23:30, 13 February 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-13T23:30:00.000Z","author":"Elphion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elphion-2019-02-13T23:30:00.000Z-re_my_revert","replies":[]}}-->

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William Hurlstone, composer

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Hello Jerzy, do you remember this chap? I have just found out where he was born in London and inserted a rather poor image of it on his page. Most of the references are either dead or inadequate. Do you have any idea where musicians keep good references about their slightly obscure brethren? Kind regards. --Po Mieczu (talk) 17:19, 21 February 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-02-21T17:19:00.000Z","author":"Po Mieczu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Po_Mieczu-2019-02-21T17:19:00.000Z-William_Hurlstone,_composer","replies":[]}}-->

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Administrators' newsletter – March 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • A new tool is available to help determine if a given IP is an open proxy/VPN/webhost/compromised host.

Arbitration

  • The Arbitration Committee announced two new OTRS queues. Both are meant solely for cases involving private information; other cases will continue to be handled at the appropriate venues (e.g., WP:COIN or WP:SPI).
    • paid-en-wp@wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private evidence related to abusive paid editing.
    • checkuser-en-wp@wikipedia.org has been set up to receive private requests for CheckUser. For instance, requests for IP block exemption for anonymous proxy editing should now be sent to this address instead of the functionaries-en list.

Miscellaneous


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Nomination of Small matter of programming for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Small matter of programming is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Small matter of programming until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:10, 10 March 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-03-10T05:10:00.000Z","author":"ToBeFree","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ToBeFree-2019-03-10T05:10:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Small_matter_of_programming_for_deletion","replies":[],"displayName":"~ ToBeFree"}}-->

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Technical news

Arbitration

Miscellaneous

  • Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
  • As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

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Finger of God (Carina)

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Hi,

Do you know where the name of that page comes from? I cannot find a source for this nickname (I agree it does look like a finger, but APOD sees a super-hero), so I wonder if this name is used in the astronomy community. Thanks, Seudo (talk) 03:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-17T03:18:00.000Z","author":"Seudo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Seudo-2019-04-17T03:18:00.000Z-Finger_of_God_(Carina)","replies":[]}}-->

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Nomination of Glossary of rowing terms for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Glossary of rowing terms is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Glossary of rowing terms until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. -- RoySmith (talk) 21:46, 17 April 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-17T21:46:00.000Z","author":"RoySmith","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RoySmith-2019-04-17T21:46:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Glossary_of_rowing_terms_for_deletion","replies":[]}}-->

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Walter Conrad listed at Redirects for discussion

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An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Walter Conrad. Since you had some involvement with the Walter Conrad redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:12, 23 April 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-04-23T03:12:00.000Z","author":"Clarityfiend","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clarityfiend-2019-04-23T03:12:00.000Z-Walter_Conrad_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion","replies":[]}}-->

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ArbCom 2019 special circular

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Administrator account security (Correction to Arbcom 2019 special circular)

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ArbCom would like to apologise and correct our previous mass message in light of the response from the community.

Since November 2018, six administrator accounts have been compromised and temporarily desysopped. In an effort to help improve account security, our intention was to remind administrators of existing policies on account security — that they are required to "have strong passwords and follow appropriate personal security practices." We have updated our procedures to ensure that we enforce these policies more strictly in the future. The policies themselves have not changed. In particular, two-factor authentication remains an optional means of adding extra security to your account. The choice not to enable 2FA will not be considered when deciding to restore sysop privileges to administrator accounts that were compromised.

We are sorry for the wording of our previous message, which did not accurately convey this, and deeply regret the tone in which it was delivered.

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Nomination of Mathias Pierre for deletion

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The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mathias Pierre until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ♠PMC(talk) 23:58, 4 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-04T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Premeditated Chaos","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Premeditated_Chaos-2019-05-04T23:58:00.000Z-Nomination_of_Mathias_Pierre_for_deletion","replies":[],"displayName":"PMC"}}-->

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Administrators' newsletter – May 2019

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2019).

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • XTools Admin Stats, a tool to list admins by administrative actions, has been revamped to support more types of log entries such as AbuseFilter changes. Two additional tools have been integrated into it as well: Steward Stats and Patroller Stats.

Arbitration

  • In response to the continuing compromise of administrator accounts, the Arbitration Committee passed a motion amending the procedures for return of permissions (diff). In such cases, the committee will review all available information to determine whether the administrator followed "appropriate personal security practices" before restoring permissions; administrators found failing to have adequately done so will not be resysopped automatically. All current administrators have been notified of this change.
  • Following a formal ratification process, the arbitration policy has been amended (diff). Specifically, the two-thirds majority required to remove or suspend an arbitrator now excludes (1) the arbitrator facing suspension or removal, and (2) any inactive arbitrator who does not respond within 30 days to attempts to solicit their feedback on the resolution through all known methods of communication.

Miscellaneous


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Dabs

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Hi Jerzy, the unusual formatting at CMT seems to come from around when you edited it. Just wanted to see if you've seen the rather strict style at WP:MOSDAB, maybe just a mobile edit thing? Regards Widefox; talk 13:58, 11 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-11T13:58:00.000Z","author":"Widefox","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Widefox-2019-05-11T13:58:00.000Z-Dabs","replies":[]}}-->

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please email the Arbitration Committee

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Please contact the Arbitration Committee at [email protected]. Thank you. Katietalk 16:02, 14 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z","author":"KrakatoaKatie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KrakatoaKatie-2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z-please_email_the_Arbitration_Committee","replies":["c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2019-05-25T14:23:00.000Z-KrakatoaKatie-2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z","c-Worm_That_Turned-2019-06-01T10:37:00.000Z-KrakatoaKatie-2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Katie"}}-->

Noticeboard query. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:23, 25 May 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-05-25T14:23:00.000Z","author":"Jo-Jo Eumerus","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jo-Jo_Eumerus-2019-05-25T14:23:00.000Z-KrakatoaKatie-2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Hi Jerzy. I'm just thinking of ways to move forward here. I've seen a few places where you've said you'd be happy to transfer to "administrator emeritus". I'd be happy to remove your admin rights and per Katie's comment, lift the arbcom block. If you could just confirm that you'd be happy with this course of action by either commenting here, or emailing me at worm.that.turned@gmail.com or the arbcom as a whole. WormTT(talk) 10:37, 1 June 2019 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2019-06-01T10:37:00.000Z","author":"Worm That Turned","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Worm_That_Turned-2019-06-01T10:37:00.000Z-KrakatoaKatie-2019-05-14T16:02:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Worm"}}-->
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Inter-session scratch pad

Re North Haven, Long Island :    Failure to include that lk, which is needed to identify the name of the island the town is on, was a grievous error: some, and perhaps many, islands lie within the county we already mentioned, are mere entirely within a larger county, but Long Island is not only grossly elongated, but bigger in area than, I'd wager, the (island-strewn but non-insular) state of Rhode Island that's across Long Island Sound from it. The only LI county most folk can name is the one coterminous with the Borough (NYC) of Queens; those living close enough may be aware that its adjacent borough, DaBrahnks, is non-coincidentally conterminous with Kings County. (If you're curious enuf, see also Duchess County and Dukes County (Massachusetts). Anyway...) (That county may be somewhere near where we went to a vineyard for the wedding of our charming Romanian-born climbing pals, somewhere out near the wilds of Brookhaven; ya could look it up. Ah... four counties on Long Island, and quite logically, )   My point is especially motivated by the accompanying map of the town and its surrounding, which misleadingly appears to doubly label NH, a nearly insular town with not only its own name, but also the name of the vastly larger Long Island, as if the town had one name (NH), and because its quasi-peninsula compromises its continuity to its southwest, its another,

15:51, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

Well, I got confused; briefly I thot my old account had been wiped out:I used a 40 year old login ID. Con si com sa. And tho I’m minutes early for my timezone, it would be appropriate to toast a cherry soda to Tony G., who long ago offered at least a toast per hour, as the various time zones reached the new year. Was it Iceland, Greenland, or Bermuda he blamed for the one on-the-half-hour? Good times.
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Nomination of Steve Zissou (jurist) for deletion

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Speedy deletion nomination of Gang of Four (Pakistan)

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Proposed deletion of Like a thief in the night

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Communicating here

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Digressing — as I am prone to doing (sometimes exacerbated by delusions of grandeur, or fits of intellectual fancy, intoxication, simple foolishness, or clinically functional madness) — ….TBC….. 2601:199:C201:FD70:0:0:0:D602 (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2022 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-29T20:03:00.000Z","author":"2601:199:C201:FD70:0:0:0:D602","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:199:C201:FD70:0:0:0:D602-2022-01-29T20:03:00.000Z-Leaving_me_a_message","replies":[]}}-->

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Proposed deletion of Jeanne de Montbéliard (15th century)

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