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I Hate Sex

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Dear Jake — I recently submitted a draft article on the band I Hate Sex for review. I didn't realize at the time that there was a previous version of the article that was deleted several months ago. Since you were the administrator who carried out the deletion, I wanted to invite you to take a look and provide feedback. Thanks! Qmwne₂₃₅ 14:58, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911145800","author":"Qmwne235","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qmwne235-20240911145800-I_Hate_Sex","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240911151400-Qmwne235-20240911145800"],"displayName":"Qmwne"}}-->

As you mentioned on the draft talk page, your draft has non-primary sources. I'm very optimistic that it will be accepted. Thanks for your work on this! ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 15:14, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240911151400","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240911151400-Qmwne235-20240911145800","replies":[]}}-->

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LTA

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That LTA you blocked is back as 49.186.59.12. - ZLEA _T\^C 06:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913065800","author":"ZLEA","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ZLEA-20240913065800-LTA","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913135400-ZLEA-20240913065800","c-Loafiewa-20240913195100-ZLEA-20240913065800"]}}-->

Blocked. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 13:54, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913135400","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913135400-ZLEA-20240913065800","replies":["c-ZLEA-20240913182800-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913135400"]}}-->

Thanks. For future reference, specifically which LTA was this one? I've seen them around, but I've never known which one it was. - ZLEA _T\^C 18:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913182800","author":"ZLEA","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ZLEA-20240913182800-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913135400","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913192000-ZLEA-20240913182800"]}}-->

I'm not sure, though I've also seen it before. User:Loafiewa was the one to report it to AIV the first time around, I wonder if they can tell us? ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 19:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913192000","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240913192000-ZLEA-20240913182800","replies":[]}}-->

I feel kind of awkward starting a game of telephone, but I think BilCat is more familiar with their MO than I am. But from what I do know, it's an Australian LTA who edits military aircraft articles, adding 'that was' into the opening sentence, and whose edit summaries usually involve insults directed specifically towards the education/intelligence of Americans. Loafiewa (talk) 19:51, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913195100","author":"Loafiewa","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Loafiewa-20240913195100-ZLEA-20240913065800","replies":["c-BilCat-20240913220800-Loafiewa-20240913195100"]}}-->

Yes, among other things, they tend to follow tedious prescriptivist grammar rules that either are no longer followed, or aren't applicable in American English. They're either very old or very young, or possibly both! Sometimes they engage in insults, and sometimes they don't. It's possible they're actually meatpuppets, but I really don't know. the location of the IPs in Australia can be from widely spaced cities, so it's hard to know. BilCat (talk) 22:08, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240913220800","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BilCat-20240913220800-Loafiewa-20240913195100","replies":[]}}-->

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Goya Menor

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I wanted to move this article to mainspace and found out that it was (correctly) protected by you. Can you kindly unprotect it? I’m keep tab on the article to keep away promo-socks. Best, Reading of Beans 08:47, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920084700","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240920084700-Goya_Menor","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240920132900-Reading_Beans-20240920084700"]}}-->

Done! ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 13:29, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920132900","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240920132900-Reading_Beans-20240920084700","replies":["c-Reading_Beans-20240920142600-Jake_Wartenberg-20240920132900"]}}-->

Many thanks, Jake. Best, Reading of Beans 14:26, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240920142600","author":"Reading Beans","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Reading_Beans-20240920142600-Jake_Wartenberg-20240920132900","replies":[]}}-->

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Block of User:Bomyy

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I'm not sure I understand why you blocked this user. To be sure, there was some edit warring at Manipulation (psychology), but you blocked them for spam, and I don't see what is promotional about their edits. Can you please explain? WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 19:57, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925195700","author":"WikiDan61","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WikiDan61-20240925195700-Block_of_User:Bomyy","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240925205500-WikiDan61-20240925195700"]}}-->

This is the AIV report that I was responding to. The report states "all refs have this link." This is not the case, so I can certainly see why you reached out. That said, the user subsequently created a new sock account and resumed edit warring. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 20:55, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925205500","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240925205500-WikiDan61-20240925195700","replies":["c-WikiDan61-20240925214400-Jake_Wartenberg-20240925205500"]}}-->

Thanks for the clarification. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:44, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240925214400","author":"WikiDan61","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-WikiDan61-20240925214400-Jake_Wartenberg-20240925205500","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for the help

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I'll wait a while on resubmitting the Buck Arnold page, since I'm not sure how or why some of those decisions were made. You got me back the text and other information I'd researched and published, and as you can see, there were five references.

But again, I'll just wait a bit to do a resubmit. Thanks Hubdb39 (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930164800","author":"Hubdb39","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hubdb39-20240930164800-Thanks_for_the_help","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240930195500-Hubdb39-20240930164800"]}}-->

I'm very happy to help. To understand why the article was speedily deleted, you can refer to WP:CCS. Based on WP:NCOLLATH, it's not enough to say that he was the head coach at a Division II school. If there isn't another way to make an assertion of notability, the other option is to find sources that discuss him in a substantial way. You can see WP:BASIC for more information about that. Please fell free to let me know if you have more questions. Wikipedia's notability guidelines and deletion processes are really complicated. Another great resource is to submit your draft for review, rather than moving it to article space. That way, if it still needs work, it will merely be declined, rather than deleted. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 19:55, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240930195500","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20240930195500-Hubdb39-20240930164800","replies":[]}}-->

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I did not try to delete Wiki pages

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Sorry about this, but I wasn't trying to vandalize Wiki pages. All I did was a minor edit on a page involving programs on The WB 100+. It was just a mistake that it was vandalism. 173.207.89.188 (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009224300","author":"173.207.89.188","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-173.207.89.188-20241009224300-I_did_not_try_to_delete_Wiki_pages","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241009224800-173.207.89.188-20241009224300"]}}-->

Your edit was reverted by a vandal, which is why I deleted your talk page. Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia, and please let me know if you have any further questions. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 22:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009224800","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241009224800-173.207.89.188-20241009224300","replies":["c-173.207.89.188-20241009230200-Jake_Wartenberg-20241009224800"]}}-->

Yeah, I don't like it when the edits were reverted by random people even though I was being honest about the edits, and especially bad users who likes to purge Wiki pages. 173.207.89.188 (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241009230200","author":"173.207.89.188","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-173.207.89.188-20241009230200-Jake_Wartenberg-20241009224800","replies":[]}}-->

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"Wikipedia:JDELANOY" listed at Redirects for discussion

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The redirect Wikipedia:JDELANOY has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 October 10 § Wikipedia:JDELANOY until a consensus is reached. House Blaster (talk • he/they) 02:33, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010023300","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20241010023300-\"Wikipedia:JDELANOY\"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900-HouseBlaster-20241010023300"],"displayName":"House"}}-->

Hi, I've gone ahead and deleted this. 2009 was a very different time... ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 00:59, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011005900","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900-HouseBlaster-20241010023300","replies":["c-HouseBlaster-20241011010000-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900","c-Thryduulf-20241011235800-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900"]}}-->

Thank you, and sorry for the trouble :) House Blaster (talk • he/they) 01:00, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011010000","author":"HouseBlaster","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-HouseBlaster-20241011010000-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900","replies":[],"displayName":"House"}}-->

You should not have deleted this and you need to restore it. It was not eligible for G7 speedy deletion because there were good-faith recommendations for actions other than deletion in the ongoing discussion, the discussion was also no eligible for snow closure. Thryduulf (talk) 23:58, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241011235800","author":"Thryduulf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thryduulf-20241011235800-Jake_Wartenberg-20241011005900","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012184300-Thryduulf-20241011235800"]}}-->

I don't believe that the discussion precluded me deleting the page, so long as the page met the criteria for speedy deletion. WP:DP says, "Pages currently on proposed deletion or deletion discussion [...] may be deleted through speedy deletion." ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 18:43, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012184300","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012184300-Thryduulf-20241011235800","replies":["c-Thryduulf-20241012184800-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012184300"]}}-->

Deletion discussions do not preclude speedy deletion - but only if the page actually meets a speedy deletion criterion, which this did not. Speedy deletion is explicitly only for pages that are uncontroversial, the existence of good-faith recommendations for something other than delete means deletion is controversial. Thryduulf (talk) 18:48, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012184800","author":"Thryduulf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Thryduulf-20241012184800-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012184300","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012190700-Thryduulf-20241012184800"]}}-->

I'm afraid I don't share that interpretation. Your recourse at this point would be to unilaterally reverse the deletion yourself or to open a DRV discussion. That said, I really think it would be unfortunate to waste more of the community's time discussing an ancient joke redirect. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 19:07, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012190700","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012190700-Thryduulf-20241012184800","replies":["c-Thryduulf-20241012192200-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012190700"]}}-->

Now at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2024 October 12#Wikipedia:JDELANOY because this is not a matter of "disagreeing with that interpretation" it is contrary to the explicit wording of the CSD policy. Thryduulf (talk) 19:22, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012192200","author":"Thryduulf","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Thryduulf-20241012192200-Jake_Wartenberg-20241012190700","replies":[]}}-->

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User:JLCSan

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Hi Jake! User:JLCSan got blocked but I think that the things they were saying on their talkpage about Tabacalera, specifically the name is not "Tabacalera, S.A." anymore, the type is not "Sociedad Anonima", the predecessor is also wrong, the date it was founded is wrong, it is not Defunct, Products are not those anymore, and the article is almost empty from what the company is and does.. is mostly, but not entirely, correct. Maybe you wanna take a look as a sanity-check? The block was completely unrelated to factual accuracy. I made some edits. Nothing makes sense on that article. Polygnotus (talk) 15:10, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016151000","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241016151000-User:JLCSan","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016182400-Polygnotus-20241016151000"]}}-->

Thanks for looking into this. I blocked them for their conduct on the article, including edit warring and inserting promotional language. Unfortunately, they were not receptive to being asked to make requests on the article talk page, instead of editing the article directly, and seemed to be unwilling to work with us. They eventually resorted to making a legal threat, and I revoked their talk page access. All that said, I'm not surprised at all that there are some inaccuracies. Given the research you've done, do you think the article meets our notability guidelines? They did request that it be deleted at one point. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 18:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016182400","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016182400-Polygnotus-20241016151000","replies":["c-Polygnotus-20241016211100-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016182400"]}}-->

Well, I did some digging, and they are not going to like what I found. Not a 400 year history; they started in 1945 in a dictatorship. Somehow they forgot to mention that on the timeline on their website. Polygnotus (talk) 21:11, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016211100","author":"Polygnotus","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Polygnotus-20241016211100-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016182400","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016234900-Polygnotus-20241016211100"]}}-->

Yikes. Thanks for your work on this article. Please let me know if you need help with anything, such as the page move. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 23:49, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241016234900","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241016234900-Polygnotus-20241016211100","replies":[]}}-->

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The IP you blocked from adding unaired info to the Gladiators 2024 article has been doing it again! block them again immediately! Visokor (talk) 20:22, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241019202200","author":"Visokor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Visokor-20241019202200-Gladiators_S2_vandal","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear Jake,

Would you please review my latest attempt to update Dafna Lemish? I left you a note to continue our thread.

Thanks,

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Hi Jake,

Would you please take a look at this thread and advise me? I'd really appreciate it! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dafna_Lemish?markasread=331329314&markasreadwiki=enwiki#c-Axad12-20241101155900-TheBlueHeronofHopewell-20241101124200 71.168.164.97 (talk) 19:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213191300","author":"71.168.164.97","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-71.168.164.97-20241213191300-Updating_Lemish_page","replies":["c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241213194800-71.168.164.97-20241213191300"]}}-->

I think Axad12 gave you some really good feedback that mirrors a lot of my own suggestions. In keeping with that, I would start a new section on that page and only make a single request. There are two requests in your comment, so you would need to remove one and save it for later. Make sure you use {{edit COI}} at the top of the section and format the references correctly. Lastly, it's important to make sure that you are logged in when editing. Thank you as always for your patience and attention to our processes. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 19:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241213194800","author":"Jake Wartenberg","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jake_Wartenberg-20241213194800-71.168.164.97-20241213191300","replies":[]}}-->