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Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:

• Proposal 2, initiated by HouseBlaster, provides for the addition of a text box at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
• Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by Barkeep49 and Usedtobecool, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
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Hi JPxG. I just wanted to say thanks for cleaning up the article. I had no idea that some of references were not valid (I thought a passing mention reference could be used not for notability but for fact checking alongside sigcov references). The article was approved through the AfC process.

I know I am new, and am not trying to be crass, but I thought I would point out that per Wikipedia:Draftify specifically, WP:DRAFTNOTIFY, you were supposed to notify me, but did not. However seems like you were following Wikipedia:Administrators § Accountability in the diffs. (It was jarring to see my AfC submission acceptance letter plastered in red!)

I would like to let you know that I have kept your edits, and moved the article back to the mainspace because it passed AfC, and I feel strongly given your edits, it is worthy of the mainspace. I am not upset at your intentions and your edits and hope this message doesn't incite an a AfD. (For further context, I have experienced a mix bag of encouragement and spite here on wikipedia, and I wanted to reach out in a friendly way hoping not upset you and explain my feelings). So many people have been great here on Wikipedia, and a few have been very discouraging...

Anyways, thanks for the cleanup/edits, and hopefully my moving of the article back to the main space does not upset you (I say that because some people have been really mean and spiteful to me here).

Hope you have a nice day/night and please leave a message on my talk page, or any of my created articles talk pages (I love peaceful discussions). Comintell (talk) 03:36, 16 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240316033600","author":"Comintell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Comintell-20240316033600-RE:_Undetectable.ai_draftification","replies":["c-Liz-20240316051900-Comintell-20240316033600"]}}-->

I recommend using User:MPGuy2824/MoveToDraft to move articles from main to draft space. It will post a notification on the user talk page of the page creator for you which is really nice. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:19, 16 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240316051900","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liz-20240316051900-Comintell-20240316033600","replies":[]}}-->

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Would you like to work collaboratively on an essay to address concerns expressed at your open post at RS/N (permalink)? Editors could use it as a link when !voting, similar to how I did here and you did here. The essay would also be a useful link at article talk pages--when the primary or only opposition to using an article is that the publication found its way to the WP:RSP minus the "green-light". I believe the problems you expressed are going to keep getting worse as increasingly more sources end up on that list starts to ossify.
If yes, we will probably have some disagreement on focus, so I suggest we break it up into sections about particular concerns that can be linked to, or even make one or more separate essays.
I would put a link at the ongoing discussion to this post, but I wanted to check in with you first.--David Tornheim (talk) 22:23, 17 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240317222300","author":"David Tornheim","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_Tornheim-20240317222300-Collaborative_Essay_on_RS\/N_RfC_concerns?","replies":[]}}-->
@Peter Gulutzan: I believe you have similar concerns and might also want to work on such an essay. --David Tornheim (talk) 22:29, 17 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240317222900","author":"David Tornheim","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-David_Tornheim-20240317222900-Collaborative_Essay_on_RS\/N_RfC_concerns?","replies":[]}}-->

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Could you add a section that explains to users where to post (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard) if they want to complain about Kotaku and other sites being used as reliable sources? Trade (talk) 01:03, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323010300","author":"Trade","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Trade-20240323010300-Talk:Sweet_Baby_Inc.\/FAQ","replies":["c-2003:DF:A715:5000:4CAE:4874:474D:C0D0-20240324001300-Trade-20240323010300"]}}-->

I want to point out, that right now a RS, already used in the article of Sweet Baby Inc, to quote her tweet about the List and to report it, stated in this sentence, that the Sweet baby Inc employee tried to targeted report the user as well. This was for undue reason not mentioned and one of the main reasons for the critics on this article.

It is based on the source https://dotesports.com/general/news/sweet-baby-inc-detected-drama-explained

it says: "They asked their followers to report it and its creator due to it failing Steam’s code of conduct,"

So shouldn't it be added the full statement of the quoted RS:

The curator group received increased attention in February when a Sweet Baby employee asked others to report it and its creator for failing Steam's code of conduct.

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Thanks for your comment on the lab leak discussion page. Just to confirm, I only speak up there when there is adult supervision around. In addition to the constant abuse, there's lots of banning people over trumped up content disputes.

But it isn't limited to that page and it's been going on in full view for years. What kind of superpowers does this guy have, that he can flout CIVIL for years without consequences? Not to mention the other PAGs. It's impossible that other people don't see this and it's spooky how almost nobody will say anything (again, thank you).

I can only speak as a very small-time editor, but the conspicuous failure of the site to rein him in hasn't just driven me away from the topic but from Wikipedia as a whole. - Palpable (talk) 16:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240323163000","author":"Palpable","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Palpable-20240323163000-Invincible_Incivility","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi JPxG. Back in December you left a message on our talk page about your interest in our workshops. Given the slight disconnect between our email communication and outreach on Wiki, I wanted to reach out and make sure you were able to sign up if you're still interested. Up next we have a workshop planned for April 11, 2024 · 1:00pm - 3:00pm CST. If that doesn't work, we're planning one soon after that you could be a part of the scheduling processes. Zentavious (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240329142300","author":"Zentavious","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zentavious-20240329142300-Beyond_the_Individual:_Wikipedia_Ethics_Workshop","replies":[]}}-->

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@HaeB: Thanks! jp×g🗯️ 06:35, 31 March 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240331063500","author":"JPxG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JPxG-20240331063500-HaeB-20240330193400","replies":[],"displayName":"jp"}}-->

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Re Special:Diff/1216918845, nothing in my comment says we should allow or ignore doxxing. I'm saying that pointing to the specific location is unnecessary and does nothing but cause more harm to the person who has been doxxed. It's insensitive, especially when there are other less public ways to deal with these kinds of things. In case that wasn't clear, I'm trying to help the person who was doxxed not have that doxx made more visible, but sure, take my words as meaning doxxing is "extremely cool and normal". Giraffer (talk) 21:39, 2 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240402213900","author":"Giraffer","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giraffer-20240402213900-Your_response_to_me_at_AN","replies":["c-JPxG-20240402220000-Giraffer-20240402213900"]}}-->

I mean, they've already been enabled, they've already done le harms -- they just pulled some yakuza hit job style bullshit on an arb in broad daylight! And the concerns getting brought up are like, righteous indignation at the suppression of criticism??? The criticism isn't the main issue here! I feel like I have been transported to a hostile alternate universe today.

That whole thing is not your fault, it's just, like -- what the fuck? jp×g🗯️ 22:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240402220000","author":"JPxG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JPxG-20240402220000-Giraffer-20240402213900","replies":[],"displayName":"jp"}}-->

It can be tempting to always have to get the last word in a discussion or reply at great length to make yourself clear and capture every possible caveat. I've gradually learnt over the years that brevity is the soul of wit and sometimes it's better to let the discussion move on or die out without you. I haven't learnt to always follow my own advice but apparently that doesn't stop me offering it to others for whatever it may be worth. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 22:40, 2 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240402224000","author":"HJ Mitchell","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HJ_Mitchell-20240402224000-Friendly_advice","replies":["c-JPxG-20240402225600-HJ_Mitchell-20240402224000"],"displayName":"HJ\u00a0Mitchell"}}-->

Thanks. I suppose every once in a while I have to be told my zipper is down; better to be told than not, and most fortunate of all if I am told discreetly... jp×g🗯️ 22:56, 2 April 2024 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240402225600","author":"JPxG","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-JPxG-20240402225600-HJ_Mitchell-20240402224000","replies":[],"displayName":"jp"}}-->

Good Evening,

Please note an Arbitration request had been filed that you are named as a party in.

It appears you were not notified as required so please see the following post.

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