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Hello! I don't know what you did here to get att the photos in the wrong places (plus 2 photos from one and the same cafe!), but I wish you'd correct it. I cannot figure out how to do it, though I've been logged in since 2008. Please look at the results of your edits when done! This was certainly not an improvement. SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:05, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219170500","author":"SergeWoodzing","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-SergeWoodzing-20241219170500-December_2024","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219170800-SergeWoodzing-20241219170500","c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219171200-SergeWoodzing-20241219170500"]}}-->
- Sounds like you have ownership issues there buddy (there is no wrong place for a photo)... The technical effect is an excerpt, I think thats what is confusing you (you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219170800","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219170800-SergeWoodzing-20241219170500","replies":[]}}-->
- @SergeWoodzing: would you be so good as to point out the two images from the same cafe? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219171200","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219171200-SergeWoodzing-20241219170500","replies":["c-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219171200"]}}-->
- No need for personal attacks here, and a condescending word like buddy only makes that far worse.
- Last time I looked there was also a historical photo of the "Logos Bros Central Cafe, Blackall, Queensland" which now is no longer there. Maybe you removed it wherever that is that the rest of is don't have access ("you're not going to be able to see the text you want to change when you go into the raw because its not there")?
- Photos which are in the right sections (such as the old Swedish family) are preferred to their being strewn across an arcticle with less layout relevance. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219172000","author":"SergeWoodzing","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219171200","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219172800-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000","c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219173000-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000"]}}-->
- You start with "No need for personal attacks here" and then you proceed to make wild and unfounded claims about me having secret access and being sneaky and abusive. Calm down, this is an issue with your competence and you shouldn't be making your own lack of competence my problem. That being said I believe that I have solved any problems you have have, if I haven't let me know and I will be happy to. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219172800","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219172800-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000","replies":[]}}-->
- This edit[1] is just confusing, it looks like to try and solve the issue on Coffee Culture you went and disrupted Greek café culture in Australia? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219173000","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219173000-SergeWoodzing-20241219172000","replies":["c-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219173000"]}}-->
- The issues on the article are for that talk page. Your direct personal specific accusation to me of "ownership issues" is a clear-cut case of personal attack. Again, also, please look at the results of your edits when done! You might see that something got screwed up without anyone else having to complain. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 17:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219173500","author":"SergeWoodzing","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219173000","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219192400-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500","c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219193000-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500"]}}-->
- Sir, on the talk page you speculated that my edits were promotional[2]... And unless I'm missing something this entire conversation is about issues on the article so why did you even post here then? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:24, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219192400","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219192400-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500","replies":[]}}-->
- You do actually appear to be engaged in something akin to ownership too, you added[3] the photo of the old Swedish family you're now bent out of shape about. Ownership would explain the agressive and hyperbolic language you use, hard to understand otherwise (I assume you aren't normally a jerk). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241219193000","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219193000-SergeWoodzing-20241219173500","replies":["c-SergeWoodzing-20241220101600-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219193000"]}}-->
- Warning stands about your accusation of ownership as a clear personal attack, along with the word "buddy" as an extra uncivil little spice there. What you are adding only makes matters worse and the warning even more appropriate: "bent out of shape ... agressive and hyperbolic language you use ... aren't normally a jerk". I respectfully suggest you adhere to WP policy on civility from now on. Nobody in this conversation has attacked you in any way.
- Re "promo" you still have two photos from the same café here. Hard to understand why. I'm giving you a chance to answer that question civilly, w/o any personal slurs. --SergeWoodzing (talk) 10:16, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220101600","author":"SergeWoodzing","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-SergeWoodzing-20241220101600-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241219193000","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241220161100-SergeWoodzing-20241220101600"]}}-->
- No slurs have been used, and unless I'm missing something there are only two people in this conversation so saying "Nobody in this conversation" not "I" is weirdly obfuscatory and seems to imply consensus which doesn't exist (be careful not to do that). If you added the photo of the old Swedish family then the ownership concerns turned out to be valid. I was not the person who added those photos of the cafe there, why are you asking me and accusing me of promotion? Note that you are also apparently accusing me of promoting a business that as far as I can tell folded in the 1990s. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241220161100","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20241220161100-SergeWoodzing-20241220101600","replies":[]}}-->
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- Thank you for letting me know that this discussion is occuring, I will likely make my way over there at some point. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 16:15, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250108161500","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250108161500-Sunnya343-20250108010900","replies":[]}}-->
 Before adding a category to an article, as you did to Category:National Defense Medical Center, please make sure that the subject of the article really belongs in the category that you specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. The category being added must already exist, and must be supported by the article's verifiable content. Categories may be removed if they are deemed incorrect for the subject matter. Please review WP:Eponcat before making more categories like this. And please make sure to fully parent the categories you do make, like Category:The Heritage Foundation publications needs to be in more than one tree SMasonGarrison 13:12, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113131200","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250113131200-January_2025","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250113133200-Smasongarrison-20250113131200"]}}-->
- I've done my best to repair the removal of categories, but please stop removing categories from the main article. "Core cat" is not a thing. Please review Wikipedia:EPON. SMasonGarrison 13:32, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113133200","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250113133200-Smasongarrison-20250113131200","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250113175800-Smasongarrison-20250113133200"]}}-->
- @Smasongarrison: that seems to be one of the three options we are given. This doesn't seem like the right template, the subject of the article really belongs in the category that I specified according to Wikipedia's categorization guidelines. The category being added already existed and was supported by the article's verifiable content. Did you use the wrong template? Remember that we are instructed "Editors should decide by consensus which solution makes most sense for a category tree." not "Smasongarrison does what the fuck they want" Horse Eye's Back (talk) 17:58, 13 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250113175800","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250113175800-Smasongarrison-20250113133200","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250114005300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250113175800"]}}-->
- I picked the template that was closest. You're right that it wasn't a very good fit. However, you really need to assume good faith, instead of "Smasongarrison does what the fuck they want". Please review Wikipedia:EPON. Because the norm is not to gut the contents. The consensus is to include categories for the article as you can see in the other categories like this. In the future, I really suggest not starting out with "Smasongarrison does what the fuck they want" because it really doesn't encourage consensus seeking.SMasonGarrison 00:53, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114005300","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250114005300-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250113175800","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114042200-Smasongarrison-20250114005300"]}}-->
- That isn't how consensus works. Misusing a user warning template doesn't encourage consensus seeking, its just abusive. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 04:22, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114042200","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114042200-Smasongarrison-20250114005300","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250114050700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114042200"]}}-->
- I agreed with you that the template wasn't a great choice. How about assuming some good faith instead of throwing insults? SMasonGarrison 05:07, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114050700","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250114050700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114042200","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114062000-Smasongarrison-20250114050700"]}}-->
- No insults have been thrown, what are you talking about? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 06:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114062000","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114062000-Smasongarrison-20250114050700","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250114124000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114062000"]}}-->
- Calling my use of a template abusive is an insult in my book. SMasonGarrison 12:40, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114124000","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250114124000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114062000","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114182400-Smasongarrison-20250114124000"]}}-->
- How would you describe it? Objectively it is template abuse, thats what we call harassing someone with an improper template. Thats also not an insult, its just wild to call someone out for abusing you and their response is "Don't insult me." Like bro what? Instead of an apology you continue to attack me? How does that work? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:24, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114182400","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114182400-Smasongarrison-20250114124000","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250114222000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114182400"]}}-->
- I think your use of the terms "abuse" and "harassing " and "attack" over the use of an imperfect template is excessive. It assumes an uncharitable interpretation and ill intent. I've asked you repeatedly to assume good faith. You asked me to explain what I meant by insults, so I answered in good faith. I already said that I agreed with you that the template wasn't a great choice.
- You're the one who keeps using escalating language. The template wasn't ideal, but it wasn't that far off. My concern was about the removal of categories instead of the addition of categories. I'd rather have a productive conversation about EPON categories. SMasonGarrison 22:20, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114222000","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250114222000-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114182400","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114222800-Smasongarrison-20250114222000"]}}-->
- Leaving just one category seems to be one of the three allowed options. There is no removal of categories, the tree shape just gets shifted around. The template isn't close, there is no reason to warn me for what I did because its well within the allowed bounds. Next time I suggest that you open a talk page discussion, although you will note if you look at my edit history that I have shifted to your prefered style (it seems to be as accepted as the other two but may cause less friction). If you're going to have this discussion with someone again can I suggest not starting off with a user warning template that doesn't fit? Its going to derail the point you actually want to make. I'm sorry that this hasn't been a productive conversation for you but you're in my house (well talk page) so I will tell you how your behavior makes me feel in the hopes that you will be kinder and gentler in the future. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250114222800","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114222800-Smasongarrison-20250114222000","replies":["c-Smasongarrison-20250115002100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114222800"]}}-->
- I agree that it's technically allowable, but my point was that's not the norm for the organizational categories. Again, I apologize that you felt accosted by the template. I thought it was sufficiently close, but you are right that we're on your talk page. I do encourage you to take your own advice and I'll keep it in mind as I figure out how to make my own template warning message that's a better fit. SMasonGarrison 00:21, 15 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250115002100","author":"Smasongarrison","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-Smasongarrison-20250115002100-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250114222800","replies":[]}}-->
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You said this in a recent RfC, "So you agree with Iljhgtn's conspiracy theory that this was the purposeful result of pushing bias not an error?" which caught me off guard. I believe you are generally a level headed and agreeable editor, I was surprised to see you characterize my comments in such derisive language and tone. I believe in giving the benefit of the doubt and WP:AGF whenever possible though, so I'd ask for you to clarify what your intent behind this comment was which I found to be hurtful and unexpected. Iljhgtn (talk) 17:31, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117173100","author":"Iljhgtn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Iljhgtn-20250117173100-Checking_on_this","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117183500-Iljhgtn-20250117173100"]}}-->
- @Iljhgtn: It appears to be a conspiracy theory about a living person (you seem to allege that the author participated in a conspiracy with the rest of Jacobin to misstate facts to push a POV), if you have a source I'd love to see it but otherwise its the blatant BLP violation which is hurtful and unexpected. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:35, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117183500","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117183500-Iljhgtn-20250117173100","replies":["c-Iljhgtn-20250117183700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117183500"]}}-->
- How do you account for the editor's disregard for the facts when being corrected? Regardless of the forum in which the discussion took place? Iljhgtn (talk) 18:37, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117183700","author":"Iljhgtn","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Iljhgtn-20250117183700-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117183500","replies":["c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117185300-Iljhgtn-20250117183700"]}}-->
- I don't, I look to the sources and if they don't provide an explanation thats the end of the story because of BLP... We aren't allowed to speculate about the motives and actions of living people. When it comes to BLP our options are constrained to those published by reliable sources. I also note your framing is already questionable... we don't actually know that the facts were disregarded, they could have just missed it (thats what the reliable sources suggest, they don't imply malice like you do). Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:53, 17 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20250117185300","author":"Horse Eye's Back","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Horse_Eye's_Back-20250117185300-Iljhgtn-20250117183700","replies":[]}}-->
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