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...that I love you all. Super srs. GlassCobra 12:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-01T12:59:00.000Z","author":"GlassCobra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GlassCobra-2009-04-01T12:59:00.000Z-I'd_just_like_to_announce...","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-01T14:20:00.000Z-GlassCobra-2009-04-01T12:59:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Glass"}}-->

Haha, okay Ryan Postlethwaite. At least yours isn't blinking! You boys just enjoy an excuse to write in pink. hmwithτ 14:20, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-01T14:20:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-01T14:20:00.000Z-GlassCobra-2009-04-01T12:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry to bother you, you can delete this message once you're done. Someone is vandalising the amazing race 14 page.. there's a huge list of someones IP address, they were messing with the race results, could you warn/ban them please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.99.175 (talk) 00:30, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-04T00:30:00.000Z","author":"86.17.99.175","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-86.17.99.175-2009-04-04T00:30:00.000Z-Vandalism_on_The_Amazing_Race_14","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-04T17:46:00.000Z-86.17.99.175-2009-04-04T00:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

 Done I warned the user. For future reference, you can warn them yourself by adding {{uw-vandalism1}}, {{uw-vandalism2}}, {{uw-vandalism3}}, and {{uw-vandalism4}} on their talkpage, respectively. If a user vandalizes after the 4th warning, you can make a report at WP:AIV, where the user can be blocked from editing WP by any admin (a block is not to be confused with a ban, which is a community-endorsed social construct). hmwithτ 17:46, 4 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-04T17:46:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-04T17:46:00.000Z-86.17.99.175-2009-04-04T00:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'd like to contest this prod. WP:PROD says to talk to you, then take it to DRV, though I've never seen DRV not speedily restore such things. WP:PROD may be out of date in that sense (too many policies and the like), cheers WilyD 15:21, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilyD-2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z-Contesting_Prod","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-05T18:12:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z","c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T00:57:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Are you contesting it because you feel that it meets WP:N? hmwithτ 18:12, 5 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-05T18:12:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-05T18:12:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I have restored the article in the meantime, as I trust your judgment. hmwithτ 00:57, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T00:57:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T00:57:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-05T15:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Technically I don't think I need a reason to contest a prod. It's part of a run of indiscriminate prodding being done, and I want to actually discuss them, rather than forget and let some fall through. But [1] + [2] + [3] + [4] certainly looks like notability to me. Thanks, WilyD 02:29, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T02:29:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:29:00.000Z-Contesting_Prod","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T02:42:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:29:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Yes, I agree. I was just curious for my own reference. That way, in the future, I could avoid deleting it in the first place. Thanks, hmwithτ 02:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T02:42:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T02:42:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:29:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There's a huge kerfuffle over the bilateral relationship pairings going on right now, one is probably well advised to not play favourites. If a PROD is five days old, unless you're particularly outraged by it, there's nothing wrong with deleting it - if it's a mistake, someone will recreate the article or ask about it. WilyD 02:50, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T02:50:00.000Z","author":"WilyD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:50:00.000Z-Contesting_Prod","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:50:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Wily"}}-->

Thanks for the heads up. :) hmwithτ 14:13, 6 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-06T14:13:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-06T14:13:00.000Z-WilyD-2009-04-06T02:50:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your politness and pointers.(Off2riorob (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2009 (UTC))[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-12T22:08:00.000Z","author":"Off2riorob","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Off2riorob-2009-04-12T22:08:00.000Z-Thanks_for_...","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-12T22:52:00.000Z-Off2riorob-2009-04-12T22:08:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem. :) I don't think that page should be deleted, personally, but I do understand your concerns. hmwithτ 22:52, 12 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-12T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-12T22:52:00.000Z-Off2riorob-2009-04-12T22:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I want to know why you deleted the image mentioned above, arguing for an invalid fair use rationale.The image depicts a Chilean military officer in uniform participating of an official act of state, and as such, its use is free for educational purposes under chilean law, which has jurisdiction as it was taken in Chile. I will be uploading this image again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bukharin (talk • contribs) 18:41, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T18:41:00.000Z","author":"Bukharin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:41:00.000Z-Deletion_of_Pinochet_portrait_bw1.jpg","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-14T19:13:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Commons has free images, therefore, the copyrighted image is replaceable by these free images. Wikipedia must follow to US copyright laws. Please don't keep uploading the image. Let me know if you have further questions, hmwithτ 19:13, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T19:13:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-14T19:13:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I want to know why you deleted the image mentioned above, arguing for an invalid fair use rationale.The image depicts a Chilean military officer in uniform participating of an official act of state, and as such, its use is free for educational purposes under chilean law, which has jurisdiction as it was taken in Chile. I will be uploading this image again. Gorgonzola (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T18:46:00.000Z","author":"Bukharin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:46:00.000Z-Deletion_of_Pinochet_portrait_bw.jpeg","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-14T19:14:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:46:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Gorgonzola"}}-->

Commons has free images, therefore, the copyrighted image is replaceable by these free images. Wikipedia must follow to US copyright laws. Please don't keep uploading the image. Let me know if you have further questions, hmwithτ 19:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-14T19:14:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-14T19:14:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-14T18:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The images available in commons are not a good replacement, as they are of inferior photographic quality and do not show the person in a characteristic manner according to his biography. But this is irrelevant, as you are deleting them because invalid fair use rationale, not by editorial reasons. Since the image is free for educational purposes, there is no need for replacing it, as its use in wikipedia is perfectly fair. Finally, it is free for use under US law, because it was taken in Chile, and it pictures a subject mater which is not copyrighteable in Chile, and this means that it is free for use worlwide, which includes the US. Please do not remove photos alleging "invalid fair use rationale" if this is not the case. I will upload the photos again, as i believe that you are wrong in invoking the invalid fair use reason for a speedy delete. if you insist in deleting the images, please follow the regular request for deletion process. 00:48, 15 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bukharin (talk • contribs)

oh, by the way, i was not notified of the deletion more than 48 hours ago,and if you are alleging free alternative instead of invalid fair use rationale, you did not wait the required two days. Gorgonzola (talk) 00:53, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T00:53:00.000Z","author":"Bukharin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bukharin-2009-04-15T00:53:00.000Z-Deletion_of_Pinochet_portrait_bw.jpeg","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T02:58:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-15T00:53:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Gorgonzola"}}-->

Wikipedia:CSD#F7 (reason: invalid fair use claim) covers "non-free images or media that have been identified as being replaceable by a free image". If it's really a free image, why is it tagged as a non-free image? The user who placed the speedy tag on the page was supposed to notify, but I see that it got overlooked. I'll nominate them both for deletion. hmwithτ 02:58, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T02:58:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T02:58:00.000Z-Bukharin-2009-04-15T00:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok, i'll clarify the situation in the discussion (IANAL, but as i understand it, the image itself is not free (as in public domain), but its use for educational purposes is. I'll check with my IP lawyer, any way :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.72.22.162 (talk) 16:34, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z","author":"200.72.22.162","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-200.72.22.162-2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z-Deletion_of_Pinochet_portrait_bw.jpeg","replies":["c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T17:30:00.000Z-200.72.22.162-2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z","c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T17:39:00.000Z-200.72.22.162-2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z"]}}-->

I realize what you're saying now. However, Wikipedia doesn't host images that are only to be used for non-commercial (i.e. educational) purposes. Here is the excerpt from WP:CSD#F3:

Improper license. Media licensed as "for non-commercial use only", "no derivative use" or "used with permission" may be deleted, unless they comply with the limited standards for the use of non-free content.

Since those images do not comply with the limited limited standards for the use of non-free content, they qualify for speedy deletion. I hope that this helps your understanding. We are very strict with following copyright law. hmwithτ 17:30, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T17:30:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T17:30:00.000Z-200.72.22.162-2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Relevant links:

• File:Pinochet portrait bw.jpeg - (WP:Files_for_deletion/2009 April 15#Pinochet portrait bw.jpeg)
• File:Pinochet portrait bw1.jpg - (WP:Files for deletion/2009 April 15#Pinochet portrait bw1.jpg)

hmwithτ 17:39, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-15T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-15T17:39:00.000Z-200.72.22.162-2009-04-15T16:34:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thank you. :) hmwithτ 04:01, 18 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-04-18T04:01:00.000Z","author":"Hmwith","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Hmwith-2009-04-18T04:01:00.000Z-Rlevse-2009-04-18T01:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->