Hi, I refer you to [1], in which I reverted your edit with the comment "rvv" (revert vandalism). It is obvious from your edit history that you are not a vandal, but unfortunately your edit to Argentina created a link to a Vietnam page, and as this sort of thing is deliberately created by vandals much more often than accidentally by typographical error, I reverted using "rvv" without checking your edit history first. My apologies... Viewfinder 22:19, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-09T22:19:00.000Z","author":"Viewfinder","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Viewfinder-2006-06-09T22:19:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Your opinion would be welcome at the ongoing straw poll. Thanks, --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 11:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-10T11:24:00.000Z","author":"Asterion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asterion-2006-06-10T11:24:00.000Z-Template_Talk:WesternSahara-stub","replies":[]}}-->

Template:Forms_of_government is becoming rather unwieldy: its lumping together an uneven mix of real & hypothetical governments, mixing style & substance. I'm making an effort to link together common political subjects to eliminate redundant comparisons: my first attempt has yielded Template:Authoritarian types of rule/Template:Authoritarian. I'm thinking of a similar template for represenative systems (Democracy, Const. Monarch, etc.) & a template for "styles" of government (Meritocratic; Patriarchial). Getting those in place, and assuring my current template survives a deletion vote, my idea is for you or someone to re-make your template in a simpler form, referring to these differing subjects of governance. Cwolfsheep 17:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-11T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Cwolfsheep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cwolfsheep-2006-06-11T17:25:00.000Z-Template:Forms_of_government","replies":[]}}-->

Template:Styles_of_government may help. Cwolfsheep 19:06, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-11T19:06:00.000Z","author":"Cwolfsheep","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cwolfsheep-2006-06-11T19:06:00.000Z-Template:Forms_of_government","replies":[]}}-->

{{Styles of government}}

There is an ongoing discussion on how to describe the status of Kosovo. I have seen you working around on controversial issues and realised you are levelheaded and stick to a NPOV attitude. I would appreciate your input on this matter. Regards, --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 21:10, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-11T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Asterion","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Asterion-2006-06-11T21:10:00.000Z-Talk:Kosovo\/Intro_changes_proposal","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I'm not sure if it's a good idea to just copy statements made by Lemonhead elsewhere to this page, whithout checking his sources first. The mongolian governement wasn't "illegally overthrown" in January, it was dissolved and rebuilt following the relevant clauses of the constitution exactly to the letter. Check Talk:Miyeegombo_Enkhbold for some related discussion (so far rather fruitless, unfortunately). --Latebird 23:57, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-11T23:57:00.000Z","author":"Latebird","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Latebird-2006-06-11T23:57:00.000Z-Politics_of_Mongolia","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, just regarding your edits to the introductory sentence in Politics of Poland (the other edits are appreciated, by the way),

Politics of Poland takes place in a framework of a parliamentary representative democratic republic, whereby ...

Somehow this sounds a bit artificial and can be opaque on first reading. You know, rather than saying it plainly like "Poland is a representative democratic republic with a parliamentary system, ... " I'm itching to rephrase this, but I have a memory of seeing this formulation somewhere before - is this a standard introductory text in some of the "Politics of nnn" articles? If so I guess i'll leave it there to keep the standard. Deuar 13:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-17T13:14:00.000Z","author":"Deuar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Deuar-2006-06-17T13:14:00.000Z-intro_text","replies":["c-Deuar-2006-06-17T21:25:00.000Z-Deuar-2006-06-17T13:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok, well if it's there for that (sensible) reason, i'll resist the urge :-) Deuar 21:25, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-17T21:25:00.000Z","author":"Deuar","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Deuar-2006-06-17T21:25:00.000Z-Deuar-2006-06-17T13:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I saw you removed the ideological orientation from the Template:Netherlands general election, 2003. I don't disagree with you. But I posted the proposed change on the articles talk, and then you removed the change without posting anything on the talk page. It's not that I disagree with you on the change. But I would urge you to take issues first to the talk page, before removing an edit of someone else. C mon 12:11, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-21T12:11:00.000Z","author":"C mon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-C_mon-2006-06-21T12:11:00.000Z-Template:Netherlands_general_election,_2003","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

Thank you for creating the basic page for the above. I've translated its Hungarian article into English. Adam78 18:22, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-21T18:22:00.000Z","author":"Adam78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adam78-2006-06-21T18:22:00.000Z-Re:_Somogy\u00e9rt","replies":[]}}-->

PS: On your user page, the Hungarian city that you've visited and which has a red link will be Siófok, instead of Slófok. I'd rather not make a redirect since the latter doesn't make sense. I hope you'll correct it. Adam78 18:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-21T18:24:00.000Z","author":"Adam78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adam78-2006-06-21T18:24:00.000Z-Re:_Somogy\u00e9rt","replies":[]}}-->

Hi again, I'm afraid "Saxony Anhalt: ]]" will be a mistake on your userpage. Adam78 01:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-22T01:15:00.000Z","author":"Adam78","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Adam78-2006-06-22T01:15:00.000Z-Re:_Somogy\u00e9rt","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I have reverted your edit regarding candidate numbering in the article. I thought your edit made it appear that the number of candidates starts at two, rather than the number of the candidate. Alun 06:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-26T06:18:00.000Z","author":"Wobble","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wobble-2006-06-26T06:18:00.000Z-Finnish_Presidential_election,_2006","replies":["c-Wobble-2006-06-26T07:15:00.000Z-Wobble-2006-06-26T06:18:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Alun"}}-->

OK, sorry for bothering you. Alun 07:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-26T07:15:00.000Z","author":"Wobble","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wobble-2006-06-26T07:15:00.000Z-Wobble-2006-06-26T06:18:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Alun"}}-->

For all the regard I hold for you, dear Wilfried, I think you are not neutral about Italy. History will teach us... I don't know what former members of PLI you know, 'cos most of them (the most important ones) joined FI. The interesting thing is that the only thing Italian wikipedians agree on is that FI is a liberal party, while some questions about its christian-democratic or conservative and others are pretty sure that FI is a libertarian (in the sense of economically liberal) and neo-liberal party. That could sound good, and FI has also many social-liberal members: even Berlusconi, althgough himself Catholic, had taken always secular positions on ethical matters or prefers not to speak about them, for the reason that he doesn't want to hurt the freedom of conscience of any of FI members. --Checco 12:19, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-06-26T12:19:00.000Z","author":"Checco","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Checco-2006-06-26T12:19:00.000Z-IdV_and_FI","replies":[]}}-->

Do you keep supporting the merge, or do you want to remove the notice? I don't think there's a need for a merge, both subjects are notable and deserve their own article. Cheers! Afonso Silva 19:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-03T19:32:00.000Z","author":"Afonso Silva","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Afonso_Silva-2006-07-03T19:32:00.000Z-Merge_between_Politics_of_Portugal_and_Government_of_Portugal","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, could you please unprotect this page deleted on the course of anti-userbox orgy by User:Doc glasgow& company? I think the current deletion notification should be replaced with

Per the German userbox solution, {{User Liberal}} was moved to {{User:Ashley_Y/Userboxes/Liberal}}

. --Constanz - Talk 11:04, 4 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-04T11:04:00.000Z","author":"Constanz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Constanz-2006-07-04T11:04:00.000Z-Template:User_liberal","replies":[]}}-->

There is a discussion going on on the talk page of this article. Thought you might be interested. Intangible 17:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-13T17:15:00.000Z","author":"Intangible","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Intangible-2006-07-13T17:15:00.000Z-Liberalism","replies":[]}}-->

Could you have a look at the recent changes to Liberalism and radicalism in France? Not a topic I know particularly well, but I find the recent changes to the lead paragraph very confusing. - Jmabel | Talk 04:57, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-16T04:57:00.000Z","author":"Jmabel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jmabel-2006-07-16T04:57:00.000Z-Liberalism_and_radicalism_in_France","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, sorry to disturb you during the summer. Do you believe a Category:French liberal parties should exist (it was deleted in a CFD)? I know that no French is a members of ELDR or LI, but Liberal Alternative comes close to whatever is left of liberalism in France. Cheers. Intangible 16:31, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-21T16:31:00.000Z","author":"Intangible","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Intangible-2006-07-21T16:31:00.000Z-Category:French_liberal_parties","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings Electionworld. A recent edit to {{Danish parliamentary election, 2005}} has removed all party logos from it. I'd like to hear your thoughts on this matter? In my book, such use was encyclopedic and thus fair use, but I'd like to hear you thoughts on this. For example, I don't know if you prefer a standard layout for all your templates. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 16:14, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-22T16:14:00.000Z","author":"Valentinian","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Valentinian-2006-07-22T16:14:00.000Z-Party_logos_in_election_results","replies":["c-Valentinian-2006-07-22T22:41:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-07-22T16:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Update: I still don't understand what the fuzz is about in this case. I've made a - less than ideal - temporary fix by hardcoding the contents of the old template into the Danish parliamentary election, 2005 article. I know this solution is in no way ideal, but it seems like somebody opposes fair use images being used in templates. However, the logos are used in all other articles relating to Danish elections, so the images definitely belong in this particular article, to avoid the last entry in the series looking completely ackward compared to the others. I know you're trying to keep everything in sync, and I'm not trying to ruin your work, I'm just trying to preserve a little consistency in the primary articles relating to the Danish elections. I'd still very much like to hear your view regarding the use of such images in general. Best regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:41, 22 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-22T22:41:00.000Z","author":"Valentinian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Valentinian-2006-07-22T22:41:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-07-22T16:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nightstallion-2006-07-25T10:08:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-07-22T22:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Gah. I won't say much about this, as I'm likely to violate WP:NPA, but please keep me posted on developments; it does *NOT* make sense to remove the party logos from those templates. sighs —Nightstallion (?) 10:08, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-25T10:08:00.000Z","author":"Nightstallion","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nightstallion-2006-07-25T10:08:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-07-22T22:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valentinian-2006-07-25T22:55:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2006-07-25T10:08:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Nightst"}}-->

I just wanted to let you know that I'm not going to start an edit war over this, and I've removed the template and the pages using it from my watchlist. But the page on the results for 2005 now looks horrible compared to the rest of the series with the logos missing. I still believe that this particular page should have the proper version hardcoded into it, to avoid it sticking out completely from the rest of the series. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 22:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-25T22:55:00.000Z","author":"Valentinian","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valentinian-2006-07-25T22:55:00.000Z-Nightstallion-2006-07-25T10:08:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Guess you must be interested to take a part to decide whether this template should stay. :-) — Instantnood 20:04, 25 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-25T20:04:00.000Z","author":"Instantnood","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Instantnood-2006-07-25T20:04:00.000Z-Template:Hong_Kong_(PRC)","replies":[],"displayName":"Insta"}}-->

You're right that D66 is no longer spelt D'66 but it is easy short cut to typing Democrats 66, because it is a redirect, that's why I used it on the Brinkhorst article. --C mon 11:18, 28 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-28T11:18:00.000Z","author":"C mon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-C_mon-2006-07-28T11:18:00.000Z-D'66","replies":[]}}-->

hey if you're making stubs about the No GST Party then where's the article for the Santa Clause and Merry Christmas Party? Didn't they actually get a Federal Senator up? --Garrie 01:33, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-31T01:33:00.000Z","author":"GarrieIrons","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GarrieIrons-2006-07-31T01:33:00.000Z-No_GST_Party_etc","replies":[],"displayName":"Ga"}}-->

OK, no Presidents fot the Chambers of the Parliament. But in the Politics and Government of the UK template there are the speakers of the Lords and Commune! As far as I know, "Speaker of the Lords" (in the UK) is similar to "President of the Senate" (in Romania). --ES Vic 09:32, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-07-31T09:32:00.000Z","author":"ES Vic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ES_Vic-2006-07-31T09:32:00.000Z-Politics_of_Romania_template","replies":[]}}-->

It's nice that you liked my table on List_of_political_parties, and thanks for filling it all in! I had expected to do it myself over the next couple of days, but am now spared the trouble. However, I was going through the table (only the states marked as multi-system for now), and found that several of them are not described as multi-party states on the corresponding state-specific page. I am not an expert, so I won't debate the classification, but I'd like the two classifications (in the table and the individual pages) to match. Below is a list of the non-matching states (multi-party in the table, but something else on the individual pages). You could change the table, change the individual pages, or place comments below, but lacking another plan, I will update the table in a couple of days.

List of political parties in Bahrain - List of political parties in Bangladesh - List of political parties in Belarus - List of political parties in Benin - List of political parties in Botswana - List of political parties in Burkina Faso

List of political parties in Canada - List of political parties in Cape Verde - List of political parties in Chile - List of political parties in the Republic of China - List of political parties in Colombia - List of political parties in Comoros - Political parties of the Democratic Republic of the Congo - List of political parties in the Cook Islands - List of political parties in Costa Rica

List of political parties in Dominica

List of political parties in East Timor - List of political parties in El Salvador

List of political parties in French Polynesia

List of political parties in Ghana - List of political parties in Greece - List of political parties in Grenada

List of political parties in Honduras - List of political parties in Hungary

List of political parties in Jamaica - List of political parties in Jordan

List of political parties in Kenya - List of political parties in Kyrgyzstan

List of political parties in Liechtenstein

List of political parties in Macau - List of political parties in Malawi - List of political parties in Malta

List of political parties in Mauritania - List of political parties in Mongolia - List of political parties in Mozambique

List of political parties in Nicaragua

List of political parties in Paraguay - List of political parties in Puerto Rico

List of political parties in St. Kitts and Nevis - List of political parties in São Tomé and Príncipe - List of political parties in Senegal - List of political parties in Seychelles - List of political parties in South Africa - List of political parties in Spain - List of political parties in Sri Lanka

List of political parties in the Republic of China - Politics of Tonga

List of political parties in Yemen

Best regards -- Torfason 13:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-01T13:42:00.000Z","author":"Torfason","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Torfason-2006-08-01T13:42:00.000Z-Table_of_political_party_system","replies":["c-Torfason-2006-08-01T14:26:00.000Z-Torfason-2006-08-01T13:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

No rush, I won't make any changes without checking here and on my talk page first. --Torfason 14:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-01T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Torfason","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Torfason-2006-08-01T14:26:00.000Z-Torfason-2006-08-01T13:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

WT:RFA contains statements saying that you are the same user as User:Wilfried Derksen, and that you want adminship transferred to User:Electionworld. This is likely to spark off a discussion anyway, but it would help the discussion (and your case) if you posted below from both accounts as a confirmation. Thanks. --ais523 08:17, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

What I mean is that if you are an admin. under one account (where you are known and have a reputation as being an admin.) and then have your adminship moved, people will not know who you are or possibly not lend you enough credibility if they have never heard of you or seen the work you have done. Do you understand? Michael 08:58, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-04T08:58:00.000Z","author":"Mike 7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T08:58:00.000Z-Reputation","replies":["c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T09:11:00.000Z-Mike_7-2006-08-04T08:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Michael"}}-->

That sounds okay. Michael 09:11, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-04T09:11:00.000Z","author":"Mike 7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T09:11:00.000Z-Mike_7-2006-08-04T08:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Michael"}}-->

Congratulations on your Adminship ;-) Stephen B Streater 20:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-04T20:14:00.000Z","author":"Stephen B Streater","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stephen_B_Streater-2006-08-04T20:14:00.000Z-Congratulations","replies":["c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T20:57:00.000Z-Stephen_B_Streater-2006-08-04T20:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Did you manage to get it transferred? Michael 20:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-04T20:57:00.000Z","author":"Mike 7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T20:57:00.000Z-Stephen_B_Streater-2006-08-04T20:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T21:09:00.000Z-Mike_7-2006-08-04T20:57:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Michael"}}-->

Well, that's good, and I like what you did with your signature. Michael 21:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-04T21:09:00.000Z","author":"Mike 7","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Mike_7-2006-08-04T21:09:00.000Z-Mike_7-2006-08-04T20:57:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Michael"}}-->

Hi, I wanted to know were you got references for this article, ¿do you refer with it to the actual Broad Front?.

I'm saying this because I'm uruguayan and I don't know what yo refer to.

That's it for now, thanks

--Ernalve 02:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-05T02:23:00.000Z","author":"Ernalve","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ernalve-2006-08-05T02:23:00.000Z-Broad_Front_Confluence","replies":[]}}-->

Michael has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Smile to others by adding {{subst:smile}}, {{subst:smile2}} or {{subst:smile3}} to their talk page with a friendly message. Happy editing! Michael 22:27, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-06T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Mike 7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mike_7-2006-08-06T22:27:00.000Z-A_smile_for_you...","replies":[],"displayName":"Michael"}}-->

Because another question shouldn't be answered by another question.

Hi, can you provide a source claimd MOST liberalism support mixed economy? I mean included Classical liberalism and Neo-liberalsim or even Libertarianism? thanks.203.84.71.138 12:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-14T12:35:00.000Z","author":"203.84.71.138","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-203.84.71.138-2006-08-14T12:35:00.000Z-Template:Liberalism","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Electionworld - your new stub template has been listed at WP:WSS/D as an unproposed stub template, where it will be debated before either being accepted or proposed for deletion. Please note that new stub templates should be proposed prior to creation at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting, so that it can be acertained whether the new stub type fits in with existing stub types. As it happens, your new stub type overlaps with {{map-stub}}, which is for cartography in general. If you could give us some explanation of the creation of this stub type, it would be helpful if you could add it at WP:WSS/D#Atlases. Grutness...wha? 07:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-17T07:04:00.000Z","author":"Grutness","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:04:00.000Z-Template:Atlas-stub","replies":["c-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:38:00.000Z-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've made a suggestion for a possible solution - it simply means renaming the template and category so they're part of the portal rather than an actual stub category - see the details at WP:WSS/D. Grutness...wha? 07:38, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-17T07:38:00.000Z","author":"Grutness","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:38:00.000Z-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valentinian-2006-08-17T09:35:00.000Z-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi Electionworld. I just noticed the post on WP:WSS/D and I have updated all affected articles to use {{Atlas in progress}} rather than {{Atlas-stub}}, so the problem seems fixed now. Regards. Valentinian ^(talk) 09:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-17T09:35:00.000Z","author":"Valentinian","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Valentinian-2006-08-17T09:35:00.000Z-Grutness-2006-08-17T07:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Valentinian-2006-08-17T10:10:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-08-17T09:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

I used WP:AWB. It has a find-and-replacement feature, so I simply asked it to find all pages that transcluded to {{Atlas-stub}} and asked it to replace {{Atlas-stub}} with {{Atlas in progress}}. It is an incredibly useful tool for cleanup or repetitive work like replacing one block of text with another. It is not only useful but also pretty powerful so whenever you run a process, always remember to double-check the first results to make sure it produces the correct output, otherwise it can create a giant mess. If you haven't tried it, I can only recommend you to sign op to use AWB. (Alas, there is a somewhat annoying bug in the current build which makes one of the windows almost impossible to use unless the text size is resized manually, so it might be better to wait until User:Bluemoose releases the next version. He usually does that around once a week or so.) The only drawback on AWB is that only the newest version is allowed to operate, so all users have to make sure they use the most recent build (but the download is only 200 kb per version so it is no problem in practice. Just remember to put all files in the package into the same directory. Cheers. Valentinian ^(talk) 10:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-17T10:10:00.000Z","author":"Valentinian","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Valentinian-2006-08-17T10:10:00.000Z-Valentinian-2006-08-17T09:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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If you think that the references in the private life section of Lousewies van der Laan puts too much emphasis on that section then please solve it by providing references for others sections. There is no policy or guideline that I am aware of that supports your removal of references. If you think otherwise then please show it here or on the talk page before reverting. Thanks in advance. Andries 18:23, 21 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z-Please_do_not_remove_references","replies":["c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T07:41:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z","c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:27:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Beste Andries,

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Trivia are not encyclopedic. If one ads references to trivia, they become overemphasized. The next step is giving references for the place and date of birth. It doesn't add anyting to the article, so therefore I oppose having this lengthy references. Electionworld (talk 07:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T07:41:00.000Z","author":"Electionworld","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T07:41:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andries-2006-08-22T17:07:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T07:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Electionworld, many thanks for your reply that I copied here to have all the discussion at one place. I think that basic information about the private lives of politicians can and should be included. For example, the article Tony Blair (that is a featured article) goes much further than the article Lousewies van der Laan and there are even entries on his children. With regards to your second argument that references have no value, I strongly disagree and this has been discussed many times with the end result that references are important. Again, if you think that references in the private section put too much emphasis on that section then please start to work on the references for the other sections. I consider removal of good references disruption of Wikipedia and I will check your edits whether you removed any other references in other articles. I admit that this dispute between us may be because I come from a background of editing heavily controversial edits where references are near-mandatory. I also have the experience that unreferenced contents tends to get removed and distorted by other contributors. Andries 17:07, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T17:07:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T07:41:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You misonderstood what I meant. I am not against references at all, but not for everything a reference is needed. E.g.: the name of Lousewies van der Laan son is Helix and it is not necesary to give a rerence. Electionworld...Talk? 20:27, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T20:27:00.000Z","author":"Electionworld","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:27:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-21T18:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please do not break the following policy Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English at Lousewies van der Laan I will revert unless you give a good reason for you edits. Dutch contents has to be translated. Please do not remove the translation. Thanks. Andries 20:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)#[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T20:36:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T20:36:00.000Z-Please_do_not_remove_references","replies":[]}}-->

I disagree with the way you try to shorten the referencing, because the website may go off-line. With the original form of referencing the contents is still verifiable unlike your form or referencing. Andries 20:41, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z-Please_do_not_remove_references","replies":["c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:44:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:13:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z"]}}-->

Where is the rule that a citation should allways include a citation. Electionworld...Talk? 20:44, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T20:44:00.000Z","author":"Electionworld","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:44:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andries-2006-08-22T20:59:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

In this case it is mandatory from the policy that I had already copied here Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Sources_in_languages_other_than_English "Where editors use their own English translation of a non-English source as a quote in an article, there should be clear citation of the foreign-language original, so that readers can check what the original source said and the accuracy of the translation." Andries 20:59, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T20:59:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T20:59:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T20:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

No, since there is no English translation used of a quote from an article in Dutch. The articles are just used a a source of the profession of Dennis and the name of Helix. Electionworld...Talk? 21:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z","author":"Electionworld","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andries-2006-08-22T21:03:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z","c-Andries-2006-08-22T21:11:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, I think you a misintrepreting policy. Certainly your latest edits violate the spirit of the wikipedia policy verifiability by making it more difficult for the average reader (who speaks only English) to verify the contents. Andries 21:03, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T21:03:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T21:03:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I understand that the way I had referenced the section is a lot of work, though it is more or less mandatory. I accept that not everybody is willing to do the effort, but I do not accept that contents that meticulously follows the rules is removed out of ignorance of the rules or because it makes the article unbalanced. If following the rules makes the article unbalanced then this should not be resolved by making the whole article not following the rules but by making the rest of the article also following the rules. Andries 21:11, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T21:11:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-22T21:11:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:01:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry, but I read the rules and I cannot find the policy that it is mandatory. Since we are both non-native speakers of English, It might be useful to have a comment of an native speaker to confirm your interpretation. Electionworld...Talk? 21:13, 22 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-22T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Electionworld","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:13:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-22T20:41:00.000Z","replies":["c-Andries-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I do not think that our dispute has anything to do with our limited knowledge of English language. I summarized our dispute here Wikipedia_talk:Reliable_sources#Dispute_about_reference_format_and_verifiablity_in_other_languages and hope for comments from others there. Andries 21:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z","author":"Andries","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Andries-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z-Electionworld-2006-08-22T21:13:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gerry_Ashton-2006-08-25T22:24:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

As a native speaker of English, I think the policy is that every fact should come from a reliable source, but it is not mandatory that every fact be cited to an individual page in a book or an individual web page. It is acceptable to mention a large work like a book and draw facts from it. But when someone has taken the trouble to point out exactly where a fact came from, I certainly would not remove the reference.

As for providing quotations both in the original language and translated to English, I do think that only applies when the quotation is in the article. I think it is OK to use a very simple fact without giving the original language. A phrase to search on would be useful in case the material is still at the web site, but the address has changed --Gerry Ashton 22:24, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Gerry Ashton","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gerry_Ashton-2006-08-25T22:24:00.000Z-Andries-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

The reason for deletions is that, all even if they are maps of nort or akrotiri, all can be covered by the small article of map of cyprus. if that article will not have expansions by that article, then i wonder what expansions u can make.

Also category map of north cyprus, will be just for one article, at the moment that it will be a subcategory of map of cyprus. Really, i wonder how a category can be a subcategory of Maps by COUNTRIES. Also don't forget that Cyprus except of country, is an island as well so the article map of cyprus can cover them. Personally I have included Map of Cyprus to the category:TRNC to cover also for north side.

Have you ever seen a category:Geography of North Cyprus? Imagine that this category has several articles and all belong to the category:Geography of Cyprus and none argue since cyprus is an island and someone can say it is geography of island cyprus.

As for Akrotiri, same for the reasons for north cyprus. Also category:Akrotiri ALREADY EXISTS with the name Category:British military in Cyprus.

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Austria-Hungary existed between 1867 and 1918, so you cannot place maps from another time periods in this category. Categories dealing with former countries should deal with the time period from their creation until the end of their existence. So, please, just look in the future which map is from which time period, ok? PANONIAN (talk) 21:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z-Maps_categorization","replies":["c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:52:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","c-PANONIAN-2006-08-27T12:58:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, no problem for creation of sub-category, but you placed maps of ancient Roman province from the 1st century AD into category "Austria-Hungary", which deal with a country that existed between 1867 and 1918. :) I mean, you should just stick to the 1867-1918 period in the case of this category. PANONIAN (talk) 21:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:42:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Eh, and the second problem: I do not understand why you replaced at all categories like "Hungary historical maps" with "Maps of the history of Hungary". The usage of the term "historical maps" is much more correct in English than the term "maps of the history". Why you changed this? PANONIAN (talk) 21:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:52:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:52:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","replies":["c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:55:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

And furthermore, you now created double categories: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_of_the_history_of_Hungary and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hungary_historical_maps Why you then did not moved all maps from "Category:Hungary historical maps" to "Category:Maps of the history of Hungary", but only few of them? PANONIAN (talk) 21:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T21:55:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:55:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, then I suggest that you ask some of the administrators who have Internet bot to do this job. Such large-scale category changes are usually job for Internet Bot, not for individual users. PANONIAN (talk) 22:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:01:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:01:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:05:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok, if you want to do this on harder way, it is your choice. :) PANONIAN (talk) 22:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:05:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:05:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:10:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well, here is one bot that recently changed some categories: User:Cydebot. Its page say that it is operated by Wikipedia administrator Cyde Weys. So, you should ask Cyde Weys to run a bot. PANONIAN (talk) 22:10, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-25T22:10:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:10:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T22:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Ok, listen: it was me who originally created all these map categories for Balkan countries, and I do not agree with some things you done here. I mean if you want to create new categories like "Ethnic maps of Bosnia" or "Maps of Bosnian war", that is ok, but I do not think that maps you place into these new categories should be also removed from categories such are "History of Bosnia" or "History of Republika Srpska". There is no harm that one map is placed in several categories if it is relevant for all these categories. PANONIAN (talk) 12:58, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-27T12:58:00.000Z","author":"PANONIAN","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PANONIAN-2006-08-27T12:58:00.000Z-PANONIAN-2006-08-25T21:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for catching that flub of mine. I didn't know about it until a few moments ago when I checked my watchlist. --DavidHOzAu 13:07, 28 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-28T13:07:00.000Z","author":"User:DavidHOzAu","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-User:DavidHOzAu-2006-08-28T13:07:00.000Z-Thanks_for_catching_that","replies":[]}}-->

Just fyi, I archived all the recent rants/repetitions/and diversions, and re-set-up the breakdown point-by-point of what is left to decide. See Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign#The synopsis, and then Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign#final changes, and options.

I-of-little-patience... Quiddity 18:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC) ;)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-29T18:28:00.000Z","author":"Quiddity","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Quiddity-2006-08-29T18:28:00.000Z-Sidebar","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there,

I really like your atlas project. I do not want to discourage you, but I think we might have a little problem with that. Please see this discussion. Don't take this discussion of mine as attempt to spoil your work, but as attempt to find it's place under the sun. --Dijxtra 08:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-08-30T08:56:00.000Z","author":"Dijxtra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dijxtra-2006-08-30T08:56:00.000Z-Status_of_atlas_in_Wikipedia","replies":[]}}-->

The WikiProject Heraldry and vexillology has just been created. Why not take a look? I hope you can join. Inge 17:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-11T17:17:00.000Z","author":"Inge","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Inge-2006-09-11T17:17:00.000Z-WikiProject_Heraldry_and_vexillology","replies":[]}}-->

It's that special, special time! No, grandma's not coming over. No, not time to clean out the fridge. It's sidebar redesign voting time! Yes, the community has narrowed it down to 3 different options, and a vote for the same old original sidebar is a choice one could vote for as well. Voting for multiple options is allowed, and discussion on the whole shebang is right there on the vote page itself.

You're probably getting this message because the sidebar fairy (JoeSmack for now) noticed you commented on the project at some time over on at Wikipedia talk:Village pump (proposals)/Sidebar redesign. Lovely. JoeSmack ^Talk 06:27, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-15T06:27:00.000Z","author":"JoeSmack","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JoeSmack-2006-09-15T06:27:00.000Z-Sidebar_redesign_final_vote!","replies":[]}}-->

Greetings,

Jimmy Wales started a new project on July 4th to help track elections and encourage participatory politics. Campaigns Wikia is going down the the local level, while Wikipedia seems to be limited to the national level. You're welcome to participate. We could really use your help. Chadlupkes 06:56, 17 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2006-09-17T06:56:00.000Z","author":"Chadlupkes","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chadlupkes-2006-09-17T06:56:00.000Z-Campaigns","replies":[]}}-->