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Hello, I believe that the 1977 Allentown mayoral election should not be closed as "no consensus", and should either be relisted or closed as delete. No policy-based arguments were used against the deletion, and consensus is formed on strength of arguments as much as voting. No final relist was ever given for this article. I will open a deletion review if I do not hear back from you. Cheers, -1ctinus📝🗨 20:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240820202900","author":"1ctinus","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-1ctinus-20240820202900-on_the_Allentown","replies":["c-Goldsztajn-20240821051100-1ctinus-20240820202900"],"displayName":"-1ctinus\ud83d\udcdd"}}-->

@1ctinus - I'd agree with the closer here, purely on numbers there's only a nomination and a single weak (analytically) support. It was relisted twice. There was a fairly engaged discussion between yourself and a keep supporter. WP:POLOUTCOMES on mayorality is not unambiguous, there are multiple factors which influence determining notability. To my knowledge, there's never been a community consensus around the size of a municipal area which provides some kind of presumed notability, although roughly speaking to my reading of the discussions, anything greater than 100,000 people is more often than not persuasive. A third relisting was unlikely to have brought any further insight to the discussion, no consensus seems fairly reasonable to me. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821051100","author":"Goldsztajn","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Goldsztajn-20240821051100-1ctinus-20240820202900","replies":["c-Doczilla-20240821061000-Goldsztajn-20240821051100"]}}-->

From Wikipedia:Deletion policy: "If in doubt as to whether there is consensus to delete a page, administrators will not normally delete it." "The deletion of a page based on a deletion discussion should be done only when there is consensus to delete." Clearer consensus was needed to destroy an article.

From Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Determining consensus: "Consensus is formed through the careful consideration, dissection and eventual synthesis of different perspectives presented..." It is not a vote, but multiple perspectives are required.

From Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting discussions: For several reasons, "repeatedly relisting discussions merely in the hope of getting sufficient participation is not recommended. In general, a discussion should not be relisted more than twice." (Italics and boldface appear there, not added here for emphasis.) The word final does not appear anywhere on the deletion process page. Announcing "final relist" is not necessary. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:10, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821061000","author":"Doczilla","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doczilla-20240821061000-Goldsztajn-20240821051100","replies":["c-1ctinus-20240821122000-Doczilla-20240821061000"]}}-->

Thanks for claifying. -1ctinus📝🗨 12:20, 21 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240821122000","author":"1ctinus","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-1ctinus-20240821122000-Doczilla-20240821061000","replies":[],"displayName":"-1ctinus\ud83d\udcdd"}}-->

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. --Altenmann >talk 23:23, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241010232300","author":"Altenmann","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Altenmann-20241010232300-(user_neglected_to_include_heading\/notice)","replies":["c-Doczilla-20241012182300-Altenmann-20241010232300"]}}-->

The outcome: "There is not just consensus but unanimous agreement that this was a reasonable exercise of administrator discretion, and no tool misuse occurred." Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1168 Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 18:23, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241012182300","author":"Doczilla","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doczilla-20241012182300-Altenmann-20241010232300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I do not believe you interpreted consensus correctly here. Only one editor opposed the delete with three in support of deletion, and there is a whole raft of precedent for deleting similar lists. Okay, it was relisted with a request for further information, which was never given. However WP:NOTCATALOG is policy, and as this is article is clearly a catalog of releases for DVD reissues, something is wrong if we allow the guideline WP:NLIST to trump policy. --woodensuperman 10:05, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125100500","author":"Woodensuperman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Woodensuperman-20241125100500-Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion\/List_of_films_released_by_Anchor_Bay_Entertainme","replies":["c-Doczilla-20241125195700-Woodensuperman-20241125100500"],"displayName":"wooden"}}-->

It's not a vote. That AfD was mostly about you and Mushy Yank disagreeing with each other. You both cited policy. The two delete supporters did not. They did not add important ideas to the discussion. The relisting admin clearly requested additional input, but that went unanswered. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 19:57, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125195700","author":"Doczilla","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Doczilla-20241125195700-Woodensuperman-20241125100500","replies":["c-Woodensuperman-20241125214300-Doczilla-20241125195700"]}}-->

Mushy Yank cited a guideline, not a policy. This is nothing more than a catalogue, and per the policy and precedent, it has no place in an encyclopedia. Perhaps relist it again to hopefully get a wider view? --woodensuperman 21:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241125214300","author":"Woodensuperman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Woodensuperman-20241125214300-Doczilla-20241125195700","replies":["c-Doczilla-20241126012600-Woodensuperman-20241125214300"],"displayName":"wooden"}}-->

From Wikipedia:Deletion_process#Relisting discussions: For several reasons, "repeatedly relisting discussions merely in the hope of getting sufficient participation is not recommended. In general, a discussion should not be relisted more than twice." (Italics and boldface appear there, not added here for emphasis.) Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 01:26, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241126012600","author":"Doczilla","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Doczilla-20241126012600-Woodensuperman-20241125214300","replies":[]}}-->

An editor has asked for a deletion review of List of films released by Anchor Bay Entertainment. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.

The outcome: "No consensus" closure endorsed. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 00:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20241212005800","author":"Doczilla","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doczilla-20241212005800-Deletion_review_for_List_of_films_released_by_Anchor_Bay_Entertainment","replies":[]}}-->

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