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Hello, DatGuy. Voting in the 2017 Arbitration Committee elections is now open until 23.59 on Sunday, 10 December. All users who registered an account before Saturday, 28 October 2017, made at least 150 mainspace edits before Wednesday, 1 November 2017 and are not currently blocked are eligible to vote. Users with alternate accounts may only vote once.
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Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
You can now use live updates for recent changes if you use the new filters. This feature updates the filtered recent changes every three seconds when you activate it. [2]
There is an experimental onion service for Wikimedia projects. [3]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 5 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 6 December. It will be on all wikis from 7 December (calendar).
Very old versions of the Opera Web browser are no longer supported. This means that technical development will not be tested to make sure it works with those Opera versions. Use Opera 15 or above or another browser if you have problems. [4]
Almost 170 wikis with no high-priority errors in Linter categories will switch to use the Remex parsing library. This is to replace Tidy. A few larger wikis such as German and Italian Wikipedia will also make this switch. It will happen on 5 December. Other wikis will be recommended to switch soon when they have fixed the errors that must be fixed. Tidy will be removed in the middle of 2018. [5][6]
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 5 December at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 6 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
The Community Liaisons team at the Wikimedia Foundation is looking for active tech ambassadors. This is to make sure the Wikimedia communities get all the information they need about new features and can be involved in the technical development. [7]
I know you are having various problems with DatBot6, theo's bot is managing at present, no idea how long (done about 15,000 since DatBot stopped, but there are still 100,000 oversized images to work through). Would you prefer me to go for a BRFA to do the reductions? The code works fine in semi-automated mode on my PC. I could easily do a run after RonBot#1 completes its run. Ronhjones (Talk)22:49, 3 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-03T22:49:00.000Z","author":"Ronhjones","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ronhjones-2017-12-03T22:49:00.000Z-DatBot6","replies":["c-DatGuy-2017-12-04T14:03:00.000Z-Ronhjones-2017-12-03T22:49:00.000Z"]}}-->
For some dumb reason, I didn't save the old version before the tests. I'll try and remember what changes I made with Theo's code and run it today, the same time it would usually be run. Dat GuyTalkContribs14:03, 4 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T14:03:00.000Z","author":"DatGuy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DatGuy-2017-12-04T14:03:00.000Z-Ronhjones-2017-12-03T22:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronhjones-2017-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-DatGuy-2017-12-04T14:03:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dat Guy"}}-->
Have a look at User:RonBot/2/Source1 - it's Theo's code modified for GIFs - but the "site.upload" line is the one that works with Pillow 2.7. Ronhjones (Talk)17:39, 4 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T17:39:00.000Z","author":"Ronhjones","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ronhjones-2017-12-04T17:39:00.000Z-DatGuy-2017-12-04T14:03:00.000Z","replies":["c-DatGuy-2017-12-04T20:36:00.000Z-Ronhjones-2017-12-04T17:39:00.000Z"]}}-->
Power outage. I'll do it tomorrow (9 hours from now) Dat GuyTalkContribs20:36, 4 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-04T20:36:00.000Z","author":"DatGuy","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-DatGuy-2017-12-04T20:36:00.000Z-Ronhjones-2017-12-04T17:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ronhjones-2017-12-06T00:32:00.000Z-DatGuy-2017-12-04T20:36:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Dat Guy"}}-->
Well done, almost perfect run tonight (I managed to tag before the 10pm run). There were about 1300+ files and it just ignored one - File:RogueVs Warbird.jpgRonhjones (Talk)00:32, 6 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-06T00:32:00.000Z","author":"Ronhjones","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Ronhjones-2017-12-06T00:32:00.000Z-DatGuy-2017-12-04T20:36:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
A new tag marks edits where a redirect was created or removed. This still works when the editor writes something else in the edit summary. You can see the tags for example in the recent changes feed, article history, user contributions or on your watchlist. [9]
If you use Chrome on Android, you can now use the print to PDF button to create a PDF of an article. [10]
Filter by number of edits or filter by time range have been grouped on a same menu on the recent changes page if you use the new filters. The "View new changes since $1" link is now more prominent. [11]
Some of the web fonts that were provided by the Universal Language Selector extension are being removed. This is to reduce the load time on pages. The web fonts were added many years ago to help users read text in scripts which did not have fonts or had broken fonts. This is not the case any more. You can check the status page for a list of all web fonts and whether they are currently being used and especially for special requirements. [12]
Changes later this week
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 December. It will be on all wikis from 14 December (calendar).
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 12 December at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 December at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.
Hello DatGuy/Archives/2017, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!
Backlog update:
The new page backlog is currently at 12713 pages. Please consider reviewing even just a few pages each day! If everyone helps out, it will really put a dent in the backlog.
Currently the backlog stretches back to March and some pages in the backlog have passed the 90 day Google index point. Please consider reviewing some of them!
Outreach and Invitations:
If you know other editors with a good understanding of Wikipedia policy, invite them to join NPP by dropping the invitation template on their talk page with: {{subst:NPR invite}}. Adding more qualified reviewers will help with keeping the backlog manageable.
New Year New Page Review Drive
A backlog drive is planned for the start of the year, beginning on January 1st and running until the end of the month. Unique prizes will be given in tiers for both the total number of reviews made, as well as the longest 'streak' maintained.
Note: quality reviewing is extremely important, please do not sacrifice quality for quantity.
General project update:
ACTRIAL has resulted in a significant increase in the quality of new submissions, with noticeably fewer CSD, PROD, and BLPPROD candidates in the new page feed. However, the majority of the backlog still dates back to before ACTRIAL started, so consider reviewing articles from the middle or back of the backlog.
The NPP Browser can help you quickly find articles with topics that you prefer to review from within the backlog.
To keep up with the latest conversation on New Pages Patrol or to ask questions, you can go to Wikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Reviewers and add it to your watchlist.
If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, go here. — TonyBallioni (talk) 20:27, 12 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-12T20:27:00.000Z","author":"TonyBallioni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyBallioni-2017-12-12T20:27:00.000Z-New_Page_Reviewer_Newsletter","replies":[]}}-->
Second award to DatBot for a year of service updating the {{Pending Changes backlog}} display every quarter-hour and never getting bored: Noyster (talk),12:50, 16 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-16T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Noyster","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Noyster-2017-12-16T12:50:00.000Z-Award","replies":[],"displayName":": Noyster"}}-->
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The file File:Touch ID logo.png is just too small. It's so small that the font of the Touch ID logo is distorted. I might need to ask an admin to make the image 400px to make sure the font is not distorted by the decreased screenshot size, alongside a {{non-free no reduce}} template. Qwertyxp2000 (talk | contribs) 07:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-18T07:48:00.000Z","author":"Qwertyxp2000","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Qwertyxp2000-2017-12-18T07:48:00.000Z-Touch_ID_logo_image","replies":[]}}-->
Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.
Tech News
Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 8 January 2018.
Problems
When you import a page from another wiki the usernames of the users who edited the article on the wiki you imported it from are shown in the article history. This should link to the users on the original wiki. A script to fix this caused problems for Wikidata and German Wikipedia. It also created a large number of SUL accounts on wikis where editors had never edited. [13]
Some bot owners got email about their bots logging in from a new computer. If this is from one or a couple of wikis, you can turn these messages off in your preferences on those wikis until the problem has been solved. If not, you can report more about the problem in Phabricator.
Changes later this week
There is no new MediaWiki version this week. There will be no new MediaWiki version next week either.
Meetings
You can join the next meeting with the Editing team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 19 December at 19:30 (UTC). See how to join.
Future changes
Files on Commons will have structured metadata in the future. The developers are now looking for examples of different kinds of metadata to make sure they are aware of them when they build prototypes for structured data on Commons. You can read more and help by giving examples of interesting media files.
The Structured Commons team are making sure Commons work with structured data. If you regularly contribute to Commons and Wikidata you can answer a survey that helps the team prioritise the tools that are important for the Commons and Wikidata communities. The survey ends on 22 December. You can read more on Commons. You can also help the team decide on better names for "captions" and "descriptions". This ends on 3 January 2018.
The KLF4 image is NOT copyright-protected as it was redrawn. The whole point of copyright is to protect CREATIVE works; a schematic drawing of a protein, even when original, is not creative, as it ONLY represents objective facts -- barely allowing creativity, hence redrawing these facts does not violate any copyright. I recommend to read the pertinent legal literature (which I did). Peteruetz (talk) 12:50, 19 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-19T12:50:00.000Z","author":"Peteruetz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Peteruetz-2017-12-19T12:50:00.000Z-Copyright_free_KLF4_image","replies":["c-DatGuy-2017-12-19T12:52:00.000Z-Peteruetz-2017-12-19T12:50:00.000Z"]}}-->
@Peteruetz: Upload it to Commons then. See Wikipedia:Moving files to Commons. Dat GuyTalkContribs12:52, 19 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-19T12:52:00.000Z","author":"DatGuy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-DatGuy-2017-12-19T12:52:00.000Z-Peteruetz-2017-12-19T12:50:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"Dat Guy"}}-->
Hello DatGuy: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —MRD2014Merry Christmas!02:16, 25 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-25T02:16:00.000Z","author":"MRD2014","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MRD2014-2017-12-25T02:16:00.000Z-Merry_Christmas!","replies":[]}}-->
Hello DatGuy: Enjoy the holiday season, and thanks for your work to maintain, improve and expand Wikipedia. Cheers, —k6ka🍁 (Talk · Contributions) 03:22, 25 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-25T03:22:00.000Z","author":"K6ka","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-K6ka-2017-12-25T03:22:00.000Z-Merry_Christmas!_2","replies":[]}}-->
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Hello DatGuy/Archives/2017, thank you for your efforts reviewing new pages!
Announcing the NPP New Year Backlog Drive!
We have done amazing work so far in December to reduce the New Pages Feed backlog by over 3000 articles! Now is the time to capitalise on our momentum and help eliminate the backlog!
The backlog drive will begin on January 1st and run until January 29th. Prize tiers and other info can be found HERE.
Awards will be given in tiers in two categories:
The total number of reviews completed for the month.
The minimum weekly total maintained for all four weeks of the backlog drive.
NOTE: It is extremely important that we focus on quality reviewing. Despite our goal of reducing the backlog as much as possible, please do not rush while reviewing.
If you wish to opt-out of future mailings, go here. — TonyBallioni (talk) 20:24, 30 December 2017 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2017-12-30T20:24:00.000Z","author":"TonyBallioni","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyBallioni-2017-12-30T20:24:00.000Z-New_Years_new_page_backlog_drive","replies":[]}}-->
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