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Thanks for clearing up the vandal for the Myanmar National Airline article. I was really confused when i found Myanmar National Airlines on the list of Boeing 777 operators. PatrickChiao (talk) 01:56, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-11-07T01:56:00.000Z","author":"PatrickChiao","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PatrickChiao-2021-11-07T01:56:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

I think you earned your admin-salary today. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-20T20:20:00.000Z","author":"Gr\u00e5bergs Gr\u00e5a S\u00e5ng","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2022-04-20T20:20:00.000Z-A_beer_for_you!","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2022-04-20T20:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you. That's far from the worst I've had today, don't worry about it. Canterbury Tail talk 20:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2022-04-20T20:20:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wait, you mentioned something about a salary? Canterbury Tail talk 20:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2022-04-20T20:39:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yup, I heard it will be doubled. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-20T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Gr\u00e5bergs Gr\u00e5a S\u00e5ng","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Gr\u00e5bergs_Gr\u00e5a_S\u00e5ng-2022-04-20T20:39:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-04-20T20:21:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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	Fantastic job. I see how well you have dealt with that difficult situations. Good work. Keep it up. Hajrakhala (talk) 21:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-20T21:10:00.000Z","author":"Hajrakhala","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hajrakhala-2022-04-20T21:10:00.000Z-A_barnstar_for_you!_2","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for the tips re adding Irish translations this evening. In relation to sources evidencing use of the relevant translation, you advised the following on Bar of Northern Ireland:

"It can't be someone else just referring to them, it need to support that the "Bar of Northern Ireland" has an official Irish translation that is used. If the Bar of Northern Ireland never uses it, then it's just something someone else translated."

This doesn't appear to be supported by WP:IMOS, which says:

"An Irish version of a subject's English-language name may be given in the first sentence of the lead of an article on that subject if it is a well-known, commonly used name for that subject. It may also be used in the appropriate field of an infobox. If there is no commonly used Irish version, it is not appropriate or encyclopaedic to "invent" such names, as this constitutes original research. The mere fact that an Irish name appears in certain sources, such as dictionaries or databases, is not sufficient evidence that it is commonly used."

WP:IMOS appears to indicate that a statement by a Government Minister using the relevant translation of the name of a Professional Regulatory Organisation in an official government statement would be sufficient evidence of usage, and the source used in the reference doesn't have to be the organisation itself? Gatepainter (talk) 20:33, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-02T20:33:00.000Z","author":"Gatepainter","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T20:33:00.000Z-Translations","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T21:32:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T20:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

However in your case it's a single mention, in a government of another country. And additionally the fact that it cannot be located outside one or two mentions also shows that it is not commonly used. Additionally it needs to be well known and commonly used, which for the Bar of Northern Ireland it clearly isn't. So a single brief mention, in a single publishing incident, by a government of a country the organization is not in is clearly not commonly used or well-known. It's apparent there isn't a commonly used Irish version of the name. Canterbury Tail talk 21:32, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-02T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T21:32:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T20:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T23:39:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T21:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Is the issue that I only gave one reference? I can add the Supreme Court website (http://www.supremecourt.ie/supremecourt/sclibrary3.nsf/pagecurrent/9A4957731840B6BC802574180042D6B0?opendocument&l=ga), the book 'An Ghaeilge sa Dlí' and other mentions. I presume the "commonly used" criterion refers to usage in the Irish language, rather than in English. Sources such as dictionaries or databases are identified as being insufficient, but I'm not proposing to use such sources.

Thanks for your assistance on this. Getting clarity will be helpful for editing other pages in future.

Gatepainter (talk) 23:39, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-02T23:39:00.000Z","author":"Gatepainter","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T23:39:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T21:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T23:51:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T23:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

No it's more there's no indication that the organisation in question uses it, acknowledges it etc and that it's not commonly referred to by it. It's a bit like taking someone's English name and translating it into Irish and saying it's their Irish name but the person doesn't have an Irish name. There's a difference between someone's name translated to Irish and their actual Irish name if you understand. If the organisation or individual themselves doesn't acknowledge or use the name then it's just a translation and it means they don't have an Irish name. If you understand what I'm saying. If we were writing this encyclopaedia in another language, obviously things would be translated, but this is the English language Wikipedia and to use a name in another language we need to show it's actually connected to them. Otherwise it's just what some others may call them which isn't the same thing. French Wikipedia would have a French version of the name, but it doesn't make it their name.

For instance it was a long period before we could add an Irish name to the Northern Ireland assembly because they weren't using it and never indicated in any way they had an Irish version of their name, no matter that Irish language sourced unconnected used it. However eventually they did issue publications with it which means they acknowledged that was their name in Irish and we could start referencing and including it.

Ultimately just because some person or organisation exists on the island of Ireland doesn't mean they have an Irish name. You can't just call someone or something something else unless there is evidence they do it or a significant number of others do and it's how it's commonly referenced. For example Paul Gascoigne was commonly called Gazza, that's common and easily sourced. Someone may have called him Pauly, but we can't support that it's significant or common.

Note you can also take this conversation to the talk page of WP:IMOS, would get more opinions on it. Canterbury Tail talk 23:51, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-02T23:51:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T23:51:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-02T23:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T00:14:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T23:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

Just so I can understand the nuance between the "organisation in question uses it, acknowledges it" point in your first paragraph versus the "significant number of others" point in your last paragraph, is it that a translation should only be included in an article if either the subject of the article itself uses/acknowledges it, or a significant number of others use it?

Gatepainter (talk) 00:14, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-03T00:14:00.000Z","author":"Gatepainter","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T00:14:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-02T23:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-03T12:39:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T00:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

I would say so yes. For instance someone, or something, could have a nickname that everyone calls it by and as a result that would come under a common name. Even if they don't like the nickname, if it's well sourced and can be proven to be a very common name then it would be okay, as long as it's not just a simple translation to another language and only used in that context.

Honestly though, I would take this talk to the talk page of WP:IMOS, there are a lot of good people there from all sides of the Ireland equation and you'll get some good advice and feedback on this topic. At the end of the day, I'm just one person's opinion and interpretation. Canterbury Tail talk 12:39, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-03T12:39:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-03T12:39:00.000Z-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T00:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T13:03:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-03T12:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks! Gatepainter (talk) 13:03, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-03T13:03:00.000Z","author":"Gatepainter","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-Gatepainter-2022-05-03T13:03:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-03T12:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm going to blame the cat for that random italic text! Nfitz (talk) 17:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-04T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Nfitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nfitz-2022-05-04T17:23:00.000Z-Thanks_for_that_clean-up_at_Gardiner_Expressway","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-04T17:36:00.000Z-Nfitz-2022-05-04T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah no worries, it was clearly an accident and not malicious or anything like that. Canterbury Tail talk 17:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-04T17:36:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-04T17:36:00.000Z-Nfitz-2022-05-04T17:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just a heads up: re this, "Republic of Ireland" is not in the Irish Constitution, although it is prescribed by Irish statute law, i.e. the Republic of Ireland Act 1948. Scolaire (talk) 14:55, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-05T14:55:00.000Z","author":"Scolaire","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scolaire-2022-05-05T14:55:00.000Z-Talk:Republic_of_Ireland","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-05T15:27:00.000Z-Scolaire-2022-05-05T14:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Doh thank you, trying to multi-task and doing everything badly. Many thanks for the heads up. Canterbury Tail talk 15:27, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-05T15:27:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-05T15:27:00.000Z-Scolaire-2022-05-05T14:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Scolaire-2022-05-05T15:45:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-05T15:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem. Scolaire (talk) 15:45, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-05T15:45:00.000Z","author":"Scolaire","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Scolaire-2022-05-05T15:45:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-05T15:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Please see my points on the discussion on my talk page regarding the general notability of buses in Baltimore. For anything related to the LocalLink 80 route in particular, the talk page for that article would be a better place for it. I will prioritize it since it has been highlighted first but bear in mind that there are quite a lot of topics to update, some related to this one, which will take some time. If you are wondering what makes the 80 distinct in short is that it is one of the most frequently running and highest ridership routes in the network despite not being functionally classified with the rest of the high frequency network, and the path the route takes itself is unique because of its deviation from the "spoke and hub" model of the network as well as going through a particularly unusual portion of the street grid and serving a number of neighborhoods that are not served by another route. (These neighborhoods, like many in Baltimore, are where the majority of the population does not drive. I would argue that this route has more relevance than most highway routes in Maryland, many of which are not even signed or referred to as highway routes. The bus argument might make more sense in cities that are more car-dependent.)

If there are any particular types of sources or information you would like to see in bus articles to improve them, let me know. I have a collection of print material on Baltimore bus transit, so I may be able to point you to something if you have a question that can't be answered with a Google search. (I scan them but PDF scans aren't ideal for search indexing even with OCR). --Middle river exports (talk) 02:24, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-07T02:24:00.000Z","author":"Middle river exports","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Middle_river_exports-2022-05-07T02:24:00.000Z-Notability_of_buses","replies":[]}}-->

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"What unites the two movies across the decades is their common aesthetic, described as Neon Noir." (my emphasis) -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 13:14, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-26T13:14:00.000Z","author":"Pete Best Beatles","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Pete_Best_Beatles-2022-05-26T13:14:00.000Z-Neon-Noir_reference","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-26T16:03:00.000Z-Pete_Best_Beatles-2022-05-26T13:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, but they link Neon Noir as a reference of what neon noir films are, and that doesn't support it. The main article you used as a reference isn't a notable writer or expert in this field (in fact we don't even know who wrote it) and doesn't seem to be a reliable source, it's one writer's opinion. Though I will note we've never had a discussion before on the reliability of that site. Canterbury Tail talk 16:03, 26 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-26T16:03:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-26T16:03:00.000Z-Pete_Best_Beatles-2022-05-26T13:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Pete_Best_Beatles-2022-06-01T05:07:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-26T16:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Here are three more references (to my new wording). The article should ultimately have just one, but I'm hedging my bets. Plus I thought it would be easier for you to access them if there were links. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 05:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-01T05:07:00.000Z","author":"Pete Best Beatles","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Pete_Best_Beatles-2022-06-01T05:07:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-05-26T16:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello,

Although a long time ago now, you did once offer to help me with matters of understanding site policiy and I believe I could use that now. User MagicAllium has yesterday made an amount of disruptive edits such as removing content because it is 'lame' or removing entire sections because they disagree with the grammar. I posted warnings on their talk page but they just removed them all and didn't acknowledge it and attempting to talk to them on my talk page led to them not responding to any points being made. My understanding is that after this I am to turn to ANI which I have done but it had been 12 hours and no one has engaged with my posting there.

Do you have any advice as I can't see what else to do from here? Dubarr18 (talk) 06:18, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-02T06:18:00.000Z","author":"Dubarr18","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T06:18:00.000Z-Issues_with_MagicAllium","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-02T11:40:00.000Z-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T06:18:00.000Z"]}}-->

Okay so looking at the Navan page they're actually right. I would have removed that content as well if I'd noticed it, it's pure trivia and not encyclopaedic. Their comments could have been better, but the edit is actually fine. My advice would be to immediately take things to talk pages and not get involved in a reversion cycle. That being said they also should not be involved in an edit war either. So I've left a note on their page about that. However I will say that their edits all seem valid. Canterbury Tail talk 11:40, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-02T11:40:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-02T11:40:00.000Z-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T06:18:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Apologies but in regards to their edits on the String of Pearls I can't see how those edits are valid, especially when the only reason being given is grammar issues and elsehwere they fixed and improved an identical section on other pages. In regards to talk pages I can attempt it in future but any attempt to add anything to their talk page has just had them ignore and remove it making it difficult to have any proper conversation. Dubarr18 (talk) 13:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-02T13:02:00.000Z","author":"Dubarr18","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T13:02:00.000Z-Issues_with_MagicAllium","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-02T13:46:00.000Z-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T13:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

The content they removed from The String of Pearls wasn't really about that book, but Penny Deadful's in general, and as a result shouldn't be in that book's article. There may have been a small piece that should have been saved, if it could have been referenced, but the bulk of it wasn't about the article subject. Oh and any editor is entitled to remove anything from their talk page, they do not have to engage. That's why the article talk page is often more useful. If there is a discussion on the talk page and an editor choose not to engage in it, then they don't get a say in establishing the consensus. Canterbury Tail talk 13:46, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-02T13:46:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-02T13:46:00.000Z-Dubarr18-2022-06-02T13:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I was told to come to an administrator because I mistakenly removed edits on my user talk pages. They said only am admin can revert it. Please revert mine to show my user boxes thanks so much,and please ping reply,cheers.Uricdivine (talk) 11:58, 22 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-22T11:58:00.000Z","author":"Uricdivine","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Uricdivine-2022-06-22T11:58:00.000Z-Hello,help","replies":[]}}-->

Dear friend, I noticed your comment on the Rory Gallagher (Gaelic footballer) page about the Irish version of names in the source code (and Gallagher is "Ó Gallchóir", a *very common surname in Ulster Irish). I don't know if this issue may not be a minefield, for 95% of names in Ireland have the original Irish version they came from. The pages for Liam Watson (hurler) and DJ Carey have the 'correct' Irish version ‐ certainly Watson's. During Irish-language commentary, I've heard these names, although those people may only occasionally refer to themselves in Irish, if at all. Hence, what advice would you give on how best to proceed, and apologies if you know all this already! Regards, Billsmith60 (talk) 14:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-27T14:10:00.000Z","author":"Billsmith60","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Billsmith60-2022-06-27T14:10:00.000Z-Irish_Names","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-27T14:15:00.000Z-Billsmith60-2022-06-27T14:10:00.000Z"]}}-->

Consensus on WP:IMOS is that just because a name has an Irish origin, and can be translated into Irish, doesn't mean it's their name. For it to be counted as their name in Irish they need to A) use it, B) be relatively commonly used and C) it needs to be sourced. Most "Irish" names are just people's names translated into Irish which isn't the same as them actually having an Irish name. Translating it into Irish is pure WP:OR and is not their name and is not acceptable. Just because an Irish language source translates their name into Irish, isn't any different to any other name, country, etc being translated, it still doesn't make it their name. Canterbury Tail talk 14:15, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-27T14:15:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-27T14:15:00.000Z-Billsmith60-2022-06-27T14:10:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I recently reverted some edits (see here for example) because the consensus seems to be that the tables are borderline if not outright inappropriate on smaller articles like that, unless the "width-auto" is used and it's collapsed, in which case there seems to be no issue amongst editors for its inclusion. However the editor I reverted keeps readding the tables without addressing these issues and without attempting to make any discussion once it's known there's an issue with the content. I tried to fix them myself but was unable to do so. I did notice that you seem to be able to make the edits in a way that works, so I wanted to point out my edits because if you are able to make the changes, please feel free to revert me so that the problems with the tables are fixed. I'm certainly not asking you to do work for me or create work for you, it's just that I wasn't able to make it work, I honestly don't know what I was doing wrong when I attempted to fix it myself. Thanks. - Aoidh (talk) 18:33, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T18:33:00.000Z","author":"Aoidh","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:33:00.000Z-My_recent_edits","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:38:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh no worries. It's easy enough to get the template ensmallened (I know that's not a word) and collapsed. Simply add the following lines to the top of the temple in an edit inside the brackets (I add them after the location line).

|width = auto

|collapsed = true

And that should work. See this edit for how I fixed it. Canterbury Tail talk 18:38, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T18:38:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:38:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:33:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:50:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks, let me play around with that in a sandbox and give that a try. If I can actually get it to work I'll happily undo my edits with those additions. - Aoidh (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T18:50:00.000Z","author":"Aoidh","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:50:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:38:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:52:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:50:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've also dropped a note on that editors page that they're not making friends, and to add the above as well when they add the template to avoid all these issues. I've asked them before and they didn't take it to heart. Canterbury Tail talk 18:52, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T18:52:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:52:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:50:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:57:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

Well look at that, it worked. I don't know if I was just having a brain fart or misspelling something or what, but I couldn't get the tables to cooperate like that until you spelled it out for me. Thanks, I'm undoing all of my edits now and including those parameters. - Aoidh (talk) 18:57, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T18:57:00.000Z","author":"Aoidh","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:57:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T18:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T19:00:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

Oh no problem, happy to help. The |width = auto really needs to be incorporated into the template by default. Canterbury Tail talk 19:00, 29 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-29T19:00:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-06-29T19:00:00.000Z-Aoidh-2022-06-29T18:57:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

In roughly 50 years time. All pronouns will no longer be used, as every group in society will find something offensive about them. GoodDay (talk) 21:45, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-30T21:45:00.000Z","author":"GoodDay","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GoodDay-2022-06-30T21:45:00.000Z-Pronouns","replies":["c-BilCat-2022-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-GoodDay-2022-06-30T21:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page watcher) There will always be cultures people who will use them. We still have English dialects that use "thee", "thou", and "thine", after all! BilCat (talk) 23:01, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-30T23:01:00.000Z","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BilCat-2022-06-30T23:01:00.000Z-GoodDay-2022-06-30T21:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-07-01T02:14:00.000Z-BilCat-2022-06-30T23:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

And for me you is singular, the plural form of you is youse. :) Canterbury Tail talk 02:14, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-07-01T02:14:00.000Z","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-2022-07-01T02:14:00.000Z-BilCat-2022-06-30T23:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-BilCat-2022-07-01T02:59:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-07-01T02:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Down my way it's "y'all"! BilCat (talk) 02:59, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-07-01T02:59:00.000Z","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BilCat-2022-07-01T02:59:00.000Z-Canterbury_Tail-2022-07-01T02:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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You reverted my change on the Orphan Black page. Having taught courses on applied ethics (one called "Moral Problems of Contemporary Society") for many years at university, I know something about the subject. The terms "morals" (from Latin) and "ethics" (from Greek) are commonly used interchangeably, even by scholars. Where a distinction is being made (e.g., using "ethics" to refer specifically to the study of right and wrong conduct), the distinction should be made clear to the reader. The present links to the Wikipedia entries don't do much to clarify what distinction may be intended in this case. I made the change I did because I find that the present wording is likely to muddy the water for the average reader. Scales (talk) 02:17, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220814021700","author":"Scales","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Scales-20220814021700-Morals_and_ethics","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20220814035300-Scales-20220814021700"]}}-->

I’ve always understood them, and been taught them, to be rather different. With morals being an individual thing and internal mechanism and ethics being a more externalised and potentially societally governed thing. At least that’s how it’s taught in the European education systems that I’ve been involved in.

All that being said however I’ve checked the reference for this line and the show being about moral and ethical implications isn’t at all supported by the reference which at the end of the day is actually the important thing. So none of it is supported by the sources so likely should go unless a better source can be found. Canterbury Tail talk 03:53, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220814035300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20220814035300-Scales-20220814021700","replies":["c-Scales-20220816010100-Canterbury_Tail-20220814035300"]}}-->

Thanks for responding. Your understanding is not wrong; it is one way of drawing a distinction between "morals" and "ethics". But have a look at this piece, which seems to reverse your definition of the terms. https://theconversation.com/you-say-morals-i-say-ethics-whats-the-difference-30913 The way these terms are used is not consistent, and all in all, it's probably not worth arguing about. Do what you think is best on the Orphan Black page. Scales (talk) 01:01, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220816010100","author":"Scales","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Scales-20220816010100-Canterbury_Tail-20220814035300","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20220816121300-Scales-20220816010100"]}}-->

I actually think it's best to remove anything that isn't sourced. And that section of the line about morals and ethics isn't supported by the source and should likely be completely removed. Canterbury Tail talk 12:13, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220816121300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20220816121300-Scales-20220816010100","replies":[]}}-->

Here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Protocol LeicesterToNottingham123 (talk) 20:33, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220817203300","author":"LeicesterToNottingham123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LeicesterToNottingham123-20220817203300-Northern_Ireland_protocol","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20220817203400-LeicesterToNottingham123-20220817203300"]}}-->

I'm very aware of it, and no Northern Ireland isn't part of the EU. It actually seems that you are the one who doesn't understand Northern Ireland, Ireland or anything to do with it. Your editing is starting to become disruptive and please be aware that competence is required to edit Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 20:34, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220817203400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20220817203400-LeicesterToNottingham123-20220817203300","replies":["c-LeicesterToNottingham123-20220817203700-Canterbury_Tail-20220817203400"]}}-->

Sorry.LeicesterToNottingham123 (talk) 20:37, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220817203700","author":"LeicesterToNottingham123","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-LeicesterToNottingham123-20220817203700-Canterbury_Tail-20220817203400","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I'm the creator of an article you were involved in the discussion of, Loch Naver. As you can see here we never came to a conclusion. Since I want to revamp Loch Naver after my block I want your perspective regarding whether the settlements we discussed should be included in any shape or form in the final article? And if not why? N1TH Music (talk) 16:32, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220821163200","author":"N1TH Music","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-N1TH_Music-20220821163200-Hello","replies":[]}}-->

I checked RootOfAllLights talk and saw warnings for vandalising the swastika page in multiple other sections going back at least a year. The adding of the symbol may be a recurring issue. At the very least, the vandalising of the page is. I don't have time to check the specific edits they were previously warned for rn Stephanie921 (talk) 01:05, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220827010500","author":"Stephanie921","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stephanie921-20220827010500-Swastika","replies":[]}}-->

User_talk:RootOfAllLight#December 2020 goes back almost 2 years, and even at that point the behaviour was described as having been done for "quite a long time". Stephanie921 (talk) 01:09, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220827010900","author":"Stephanie921","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stephanie921-20220827010900-Swastika","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20220827015500-Stephanie921-20220827010900"]}}-->

Yes I’ve seen that. I have a feeling I’ll be creating an ANI thread shortly as I’m fairly sure they’re not here for encyclopaedic purposes. Canterbury Tail talk 01:55, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220827015500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20220827015500-Stephanie921-20220827010900","replies":["c-Stephanie921-20220827031000-Canterbury_Tail-20220827015500"]}}-->

Okay, thank you Stephanie921 (talk) 03:10, 27 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220827031000","author":"Stephanie921","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Stephanie921-20220827031000-Canterbury_Tail-20220827015500","replies":[]}}-->

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Just after the block expired our friend is back. He has been adding improper categories to transit pages and actors' biographies: in the case of the former, he adds the "List of rolling stock" category to pages that are not lists; for the latter, he adds filmography categories to pages that are not filmographies. I reverted and warned him but if prior habits persist I'm sure he'll continue to do it. Happy to post to WP:ANI when that happens if you'd prefer I handle it there but thought you'd might like to know since it seems you've been following this user. Wallnot (talk) 23:25, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221003232500","author":"Wallnot","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Wallnot-20221003232500-Kyleung05","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221003234300-Wallnot-20221003232500"]}}-->

While they have been disruptive in the past yes, I'm not sure I'm seeing why edits such as this one are bad and need reverting. Seems reasonable as it's a reasonable category. Canterbury Tail talk 23:43, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221003234300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221003234300-Wallnot-20221003232500","replies":["c-Wallnot-20221004003900-Canterbury_Tail-20221003234300"]}}-->

Yes, I suppose I misread that one; didn't realize the Toronto subway rolling stock article is indeed a list. The point stands re the filmographies, though, as well as adding Category:Lists of rolling stock in other instances. Wallnot (talk) 00:39, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004003900","author":"Wallnot","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Wallnot-20221004003900-Canterbury_Tail-20221003234300","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221004010800-Wallnot-20221004003900"]}}-->

More importantly on the Toronto rolling stock one, the date change they made was actually correcting an article error according to the sources (specifically the second one.) I know I've been critical and have blocked this user before, but I think this one is jumping on them. As for the categories, we should try and explain why their edits are wrong here. I'm more than willing to indef this user for disruptive editing, but I don't think it's quite there yet. If you wish to take it to ANI or the like instead I won't object, but I also will not block at this time. That means just at this time, but if they continue disruption I'm willing to do so. Canterbury Tail talk 01:08, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004010800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221004010800-Wallnot-20221004003900","replies":["c-Wallnot-20221004012900-Canterbury_Tail-20221004010800"]}}-->

That makes sense, thank you. Wallnot (talk) 01:29, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004012900","author":"Wallnot","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Wallnot-20221004012900-Canterbury_Tail-20221004010800","replies":[]}}-->

Many thanks for your revision on the Flybe page. I will look for a source on the two aircraft in question ASAP. I am still very new to Wikipedia so am just getting to grips with many of the courtesies and guidelines which are in place! Regards. C F Spring (talk) 18:33, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221017183300","author":"C F Spring","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-C_F_Spring-20221017183300-Flybe_page","replies":[]}}-->

If you looked, you can see I only removed the underscores, and in no way changed the spelling or meaning of your post. I only do this when it creates a lengthy link that forces the page to compress to left, making reading and navigation difficult. I have done this numerous times, going back years, and you are the very first editor to make an issue of it, ever. It would actually be considerate of you to remove the underscores yourself, going forward, but as for this edit, as you really didn't have a reason to revert, and the purpose of my edit was for accessibilty, which you have now been made aware of, I will kindly ask that you now self-revert. Thanks - wolf 21:52, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024215200","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221024215200-Revert","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221024220600-Thewolfchild-20221024215200"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

No, there's nothing wrong with the link. The underscores made no difference for the operation of the link and the compression when the underscores are removed is incredibly minor and in no way affects the operation of anything. There is no reason to remove the underscores of a copy pasted link and I see no reason to self-revert it. I see nothing in the WP:TPO that allows for the editing of a link to remove underscores. And I did explain my edit and did give a reason for the reversion and why I reverted it, it achieved nothing. I don't understand your comment on how the page compressed to the left causing reading and navigation difficulties, as I've looked at both versions and the only differences are there's a minor compression of space, and the link will split across lines if you make the screen ridiculously small, neither of which are improvements to accessibility. And can you point me to the guideline surrounding the removal of underscores to help with accessibility. Thank you. Canterbury Tail talk 22:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024220600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221024220600-Thewolfchild-20221024215200","replies":["c-Thewolfchild-20221024222000-Canterbury_Tail-20221024220600"]}}-->

Erm, I never said there was anything "wrong with the link", it works the same with or without the underscores. That said, I don't know how it appears to you, but for me, as I said, it compresses the page to the left. You say that nothing in TPO permits underscores to be removed, but nothing prevents it either. But beyond that, what about AGF? Or just good will in general? While you may not have known the reason before your revert, you know it now, so why make an issue out of it? How does retaining these underscores make your comment, or the page in general, any way better? Why are you contesting this? - wolf 22:20, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024222000","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221024222000-Canterbury_Tail-20221024220600","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221024224700-Thewolfchild-20221024222000"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

Actually TPO does prevent it by not listing it as an exception to when you can modify someone else's comment. The fact it doesn't mention it means it's not permitted. I don't see why you're contesting it or insisting on removing them in the first place, I see no accessibility issues that it's causing, I see no compression. I see two almost identical pages, one with no underscores and the resulting minor kerning alteration only. I see nothing that's it's improving by modifying the link to remove them. It's not broken, so doesn't require a fix in the first place. Canterbury Tail talk 22:47, 24 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221024224700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221024224700-Thewolfchild-20221024222000","replies":[]}}-->

There is a part where TPO states: "Cautiously editing or removing another editor's comments is sometimes allowed..." and it continues with a section that leads off with:

"Examples of appropriately editing others' comments", one of which is:

"Fixing format errors that render material difficult to read. In this case, restrict the edits to formatting changes only and preserve the content as much as possible. Examples include:", and it goes on to list several examples, ending with "etc.".

This of course meaning that the list is not exhautive, there are other possible exceptions, (such as simply removing underscores when they cause issues with reading and/or navigation, and that have absolutely no effect on meaning).

I would think that idea is this section just can't list every possible exception. I would also think that for some unlisted items, like the situation we have here, the hope is that two editors can be reasonable and collaborative, that they would review, discuss and come to an agreement. I'm not sure why that isn't happening here. You again refer to how the page looks to you, but what about how it looks to other people? Perhaps editing on a different device? Or that have other issues and factors at play, that simply lead to a different result?

I made the edit and you reverted it. Ok, some people are like that, but I then explained it, and now, look at all the effort we've expended here... this is pointless. Surely you agree we could be putting all this time and effort to better use, no?

We've both been on WP a long time, I don't recall ever having a dispute with you, so I don't think this is personal. So really, I'm kinda at a loss as to why you want to pursue a conflict here, instead of just letting it go and moving on. - wolf 08:33, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025083300","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221025083300-Revert","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025112800-Thewolfchild-20221025083300"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

Yes I agree, lets move on. I see no reason for you to alter the formatting of my edit. You were bold, you were reverted, the discussion isn't going to go anywhere so lets move on. Like you I'm not interested in pursuing this any further, if you refrain from altering my talk page messages there is no further need for discussion. So yes, let it go. Canterbury Tail talk 11:28, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025112800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025112800-Thewolfchild-20221025083300","replies":["c-Thewolfchild-20221025203600-Canterbury_Tail-20221025112800"]}}-->

Hmm, you keep referring to "your" message(s), but you don't hold sole rights in perpetuity to anything you post on WP. Your only answers here are based solely on "I don't like it" and "I didn't hear that", considering your continued refusal to address any of the issues I've put forward, or really, to be in any way cooperative. The is another section in TPO under the part about editing other's posts; it's further down, under "Fixing links:" ... "so that they will work ... between our mobile and desktop sites" (I don't know if that's the difference between what we're seeing, but you're not being forthcoming with any useful information.)

If you won't self-revert, then I'll again change the formatting on that page to make it more stable. It makes no change to the meaning of your message, you've already admitted you see little difference, if any, between the two versions, and as you've stated that you are ready move on, there's really no reason left for you to belabour this issue.

That said, I'll just add that this was an unfortunate turn of events. As I said, we've both been on WP for a long time, we often edit the same subjects, and I've don't recall ever having a disagreement with you. I've always respected your contributions to the project. I hope none of this changes, going forward. Have a nice day. - wolf 20:36, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025203600","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221025203600-Canterbury_Tail-20221025112800","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025214700-Thewolfchild-20221025203600"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

You're the one who won't drop this. You reverted again, and I've reverted you again. You are the one who said you want to move on with editing something else, so unless you can provide a policy reason to refactor someone else's talkpage comment, with a reason and evidence that it's necessary, do not alter other's talk page comments that are not broken. It strikes me as more that you're the one who doesn't like it. And yes I have looked at it on a mobile device, a desktop device, on multiple browsers, and there is nothing that I can see that it is causing any kind of a problem. As you say I've been on Wikipedia for a long long time, and I've never heard of an instance where an _ in a URL causes an accessibility issue. Considering the hundreds of thousands of such links lining talk pages throughout the project, both personal talk pages and article discussion pages, I'd think if a standard internet URL display caused an issue in a browser it would be mentioned somewhere. The only time I've ever come across a reason that we remove them is if they're in direct links inside actual articles in prose such as "and the plane landed at Heathrow_Airport." Additionally you should not be engaging in a edit war over a topic that is under discussion (especially 2 minutes after asking me to self-revert again), and edit warring applies to all pages on Wikipedia, not just articles. Canterbury Tail talk 21:47, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025214700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025214700-Thewolfchild-20221025203600","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025223500-Canterbury_Tail-20221025214700"]}}-->

Any talk page watchers, I know you're there, want to chime in? On either side of the point for an outside third opinion? Canterbury Tail talk 22:35, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025223500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221025223500-Canterbury_Tail-20221025214700","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221026115200-Canterbury_Tail-20221025223500"]}}-->

"...so unless you can provide a policy reason to refactor someone else's talkpage comment, with a reason and evidence that it's necessary, do not alter other's talk page comments that are not broken." - that right there tells me you are not reading my replies above, or choosing to ignore whatever in them that doesn't suit you. I provided several quotes, highlighted in color, from TPO that support the change I made. I did not "refactor" your comment, I simply removed the underscores, and I explained why, repeatedly: that they were causing an issue with the page. So you have chosen to revert, yet again, and oddly chose to cite TPO, (I've provided quotes from TPO, you haven't), and EW, (you're a revert ahead of me, and you provided no reason for your reverts. Actually read WP:EW, as well as H:RV, WP:RV, WP:ROWN & WP:OWN.) I made an edit to fix a problem. Just becuase you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's a reasonable edit to make, supported by the guidelines. You, otoh, have not provided a single, worthwhile reason to revert, making your edits purely disruptive.

If others want to comment from the bleachers, (eg: GART-22: "TWC is very much in the wrong!!"), I strongly suggest that you consider exactly what is being edited and why, along with the guidelines, etc. cited, in the responses I've given, and the effort at cooperation I've made. Compare that to attitude I've received, along with the lack of reasoning for reverting, no policy support, and/or no cooperation in return. You guys are acting like I'm completely re-writing his comment, without any justification, and having this discussion just to stir up shit for the hell of it. I just tried to fix a problem with a minor, justifiable edit. All the nonsense that followed was completely unnecessary. 04:25, 26 October 2022 (UTC)

So yes I have read your comments, all of them. And as I say I've tested the page on multiple browsers, devices etc, and also looked at dozens of other talk pages with the same URL formatting, some going back a decade or more on active talk pages, that no one has seen a need to correct. The unfortunate thing is you haven't demonstrated there is a problem you're trying to fix. Look at it from my perspective and you'll see why I'm not seeing it as a reasonable edit to make. Underscores in URLs, specifically in visual hyperlink text, causing accessibility problems has seemingly never once been documented on Wikipedia as an issue that I can find, and I've searched (it's possible I've missed something and am willing to be shown that.) And yes I've asked what is the problem this is meant to resolve, and the only explanation you've made is it compresses the page to the left which from a technical perspective I cannot even visualise that such a bug in either Mediawiki (or browsers in general or some browsers) exists. I know you think you're being clear, but you've actually provided no information on what the problem seems to be beyond an ambiguous "it compresses the page to the left making reading and navigation difficult." The fact it's never been a reported problem historically in the many tens of thousands of uses also leaves me scratching my head as to what the issue is. As a result, from my perspective, it comes across more of a nitpicking personal preference edit and not one to fix an actual problem. And to be honest the fact that you've "done this numerous times, going back years, and you are the very first editor to make an issue of it, ever" is also head scratching for what you're making out to be a significant problem that no one has ever talked about. If there is a genuine problem with my talk comment formatting then I'm happy for it to be corrected, but I see no demonstration, and no discussion, of there being such a problem. Additionally if there is a major accessibility issue here, this is the wrong solution to the problem, it's something we should resolve as a project, not an individual making some tweaks to people's comments one at a time if they see them. Canterbury Tail talk 11:52, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221026115200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221026115200-Canterbury_Tail-20221025223500","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for that response. As to not being clear, I apologize for that and I will try to clarify now: the issue does not appear when I use my laptop, but does appear when I use my android smartphone, in desktop mode. In read view, when there is a wikilink with underscores in every space, creating one long string of characters, it extendes past the normal page width on the right, causing the page to compress to the left. The longer the link, the more it compresses, making the text smaller. This also creates room for the page to scroll left and right, as well as and down. When you are navigating on a small screen by thumb, it's now not just matter of sliding up and down, but you also need to continually correct to the left. When there are lenthy url strings, they are automatically broken to fit to the screen size, to they don't cause the same problem. This is different in edit mode, however, where both wikilinks and urls extend past the normal screen width to right, causing the navigation problem, but at least here there is no compression.

I assure you, this is not "nit-picking". I suppose I just figured this was an issue that only appears in the particular circumstance of editing with a smartphone, in desktop mode. Whenever I'm editing a page, for whatever reason, and come across these extended wikilinks, I sometimes just simply remove the underscores, which improves both navigating and reading. To me, this is a legitimate improvement. I've done this on busier pages, such wikiproject talk pages, and the busiest of them all, ANI, and as I said, no one has ever made an issue of it, not even in the slightest. I have not inquired about it at a venue such as VP/T (or at least, I haven't yet... I may have at some point). I believed that was because others were also aware of this issue and knew that I was only removing the underscores to fix it. So now, the question is: can you accept that I was making a legitimate edit, as outlined here, and covered in TPO, (as well as a possible access issue), or do you still think I'm needlessly chasing after underscores as some kind of pet peeve, and making up the page issue as an excuse? I can assure you it is the former, not the latter. I fully realize that editing another editor's comment, especially a second time, without a legitimate reason, is just asking for a block, and I'm not looking to get blocked.

As for the Titanic talk page, after the edits that have been made since, the link in question now defaults to the left side, casuing less extension to the right, and making the compression minimal. (But for me, it is still there). In edit mode, the navigation issue is still there, but there is also a long IPv6 signature, so (afaik) not much to be done. (It makes a difference where such links are, and whether editing threads vs full page). To be honest, if that wikilink was in it's current position when I first edited the page (answering an edit request), I probably wouldn't have bothered with it. At any time, if the compression in read mode is mimimal, or there are also lengthy urls and/or IPv6 signatures in edit mode, then I usually don't bother with any wikilinks extended by underscores.

So there, sorry about the length, but I wanted to try and clearly explain the issue, what I've done (so far) because of it, and why. I hope I've now done that. And, as I've done in my previous posts, I still want to try and maintain some goodwill going forward. Have a nice day - wolf 15:24, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221026152400","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221026152400-Revert","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000-Thewolfchild-20221026152400"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

No worries for the length, sometimes to get the explanation right it's good to use more words. Thanks to your description above I've finally been able to see what it is you're talking about. As you say yes it's a very specific confluence of events. Small screen mobile phone in portrait mode and viewing the page in the specific desktop version and not the mobile version. Thing is this isn't actually a Wikipedia issue, it's an internet issue/standard computer operation issue. It's not reasonable for a webpage, designed for full desktop viewing to be expected to render properly on a small format screen, in a different orientation, overriding the sites desire to give you the mobile experience which is designed specifically to avoid these kind of issues. I'm torn on whether this is something that is reasonable to go around and fix as it's kind of like if I open my car hood, don't use the pole to keep it upright, put my hand inside and then deliberately let go and let it fall on my hand it then hurts situation. It's not being operated the way it's intended and there's several things you have to do to get to that situation. So this isn't a Wikipedia accessibility issue or the like, it's a the way computers work when you put them in that situation issue. We don't support accessibility for those situations. You will get this in any long single string (I suggest you do not go to Longest word in English page on your phone or some pharmaceutical compounds. So it seems wrong to edit comments just to overcome a situation that it shouldn't be in in the first place issue. The mobile flag to a web browser is designed specifically for this and that is the solution to the accessibility issue, if you choose to go down the path with warnings that's kind of on the user and we shouldn't be taking steps to assist in that area. Accessibility is about providing a means for things not to be an issue for others, and we've provided the means as has the site and the browser. I know it seems like a minor issue to you, and a triviality to fix, but it's the wrong solution to a problem that's honestly of the user's own making. It's not intended to be used in that manner.

This all being said I will not revert it again if you wish to make the change, but I do believe your approach is wrong and you're trying to solve something that is only an issue if you deliberately operate it incorrectly. Canterbury Tail talk 13:50, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027135000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000-Thewolfchild-20221026152400","replies":["c-Thewolfchild-20221027191000-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000","c-BilCat-20221027175900-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000"]}}-->

I find I'm using my phone to edit more and more, which is becoming common for a majority of users, and I would use the mobile version, if it didn't suck, (and apparently I'm not alone in thinking that). You of course have a point about things being used as intended, but I don't think that makes other forms of usage completely invalid. I appreciate your change of stance on the edit, but as I said, after the last few changes, the link is now on far left for some reason, minimizing the compression. If it was like that to begin with, I wouldn't have bothered, and so won't change it again now. Hopefully a future verison of the wiki-software, (or my next phone), eliminates this issue. In the meantime, I don't go looking for links to change, and only do so when I'm editing a page and a link is long enough to cause the problems I noted. That said, I will take your comments into consideration. I don't anticipate any further issues, but should it come up again, I'll make every effort to communicate as clearly as possible from the outset. Thanks again for your considered and informative reply. Have a nice day - wolf 19:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027191000","author":"Thewolfchild","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thewolfchild-20221027191000-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000","replies":["c-GA-RT-22-20221025224900-Thewolfchild-20221027191000","c-BilCat-20221025225200-Thewolfchild-20221027191000"],"displayName":"wolf"}}-->

TWC should not have changed another user's comment. The reasonable thing to do here would have been to ask CT to make the change. After CT reverted, and asked TWC not to edit his comments, TWC was very much in the wrong to re-apply his edit. That's edit warring, even if it's in talk space, and even if it's not 3RR. GA-RT-22 (talk) 22:49, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025224900","author":"GA-RT-22","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-GA-RT-22-20221025224900-Thewolfchild-20221027191000","replies":[]}}-->

(edit conflict) You caught me spying! Wolf can be a bit tedious sometimes, but he does mean well. Unfortunately he shouldn't be editing someone else's comments like that, especially after being reverted, and especially an experienced editor. He does have a tendency to "major on the minors" at times (as do I!), and this is such a case. I've learned it's sometimes best to let him have his way, and just move on to more important things. BilCat (talk) 22:52, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221025225200","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BilCat-20221025225200-Thewolfchild-20221027191000","replies":[]}}-->

I used to have the same issues on my tablet. I barely see it any more, so I assume my browser was updated in some way that fixed the issue. It can be annoying, and I do understand Wolf's motivation better now. I used to just add single square brackets to such links and move on. I never had anyone complain about it, and I don't think anyone ever reverted either. BilCat (talk) 17:59, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221027175900","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BilCat-20221027175900-Canterbury_Tail-20221027135000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! Not sure where best to report this, nor if you can do anything about this (though noting you were the one who blocked him recently here), but Accassidy has been making the same kind of edits to Simple English Wikipedia as those he was blocked for here on en.wiki, see simple:Special:Contributions/Accassidy. I would have responded to the original ANI discussion about it, but I just realised this after the discussion was closed unfortunately. Monster Iestyn (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221031022700","author":"Monster Iestyn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Monster_Iestyn-20221031022700-Accassidy","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221031123200-Monster_Iestyn-20221031022700"]}}-->

Unfortunately we have no authority over Simple Wikipedia, it's a different project. However if you raise it to the admins over there, I'm sure someone will take care of it. Canterbury Tail talk 12:32, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221031123200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221031123200-Monster_Iestyn-20221031022700","replies":["c-Monster_Iestyn-20221031143800-Canterbury_Tail-20221031123200"]}}-->

I see... to be honest I was also hoping not to have to do this myself, since I have interacted with him on Wikispecies a few times in the past, all in good terms, so it might make any future interactions there awkward at least. It's disappointing to see him go down this strange WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS road on Wikipedia. But I guess that can't be helped, I'll just have to do this anyway I suppose. Monster Iestyn (talk) 14:38, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221031143800","author":"Monster Iestyn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Monster_Iestyn-20221031143800-Canterbury_Tail-20221031123200","replies":["c-Monster_Iestyn-20221031234500-Monster_Iestyn-20221031143800"]}}-->

Hi again. Just to keep you updated if you were interested, he has now been blocked on Simple English Wikipedia too. Monster Iestyn (talk) 23:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221031234500","author":"Monster Iestyn","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Monster_Iestyn-20221031234500-Monster_Iestyn-20221031143800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, over at Emilio Aguinaldo, user RA9Markus continues to revert the infobox image to his preferred portrait, referring to users who have changed it as idiots or blind [1]. I've warned him three times and asked for consensus on Talk:Emilio Aguinaldo, but it's just happened again with me as the idiot. I was unsure if this is a 1RR happening overtime, but as I'm now a revert myself, I can't really comment. Please advise. Sciencefish (talk) 10:20, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221102102000","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20221102102000-RA9Markus","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221102115000-Sciencefish-20221102102000"]}}-->

I have left a note on their talk page, lets see if that is in any way helpful. If they continue I will block, and may well block them permanently from editing that article. They need to get consensus, which they clearly don't have, stop edit warring and the personal attacks. Canterbury Tail talk 11:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221102115000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221102115000-Sciencefish-20221102102000","replies":["c-Sciencefish-20221102115200-Canterbury_Tail-20221102115000"]}}-->

Thank you. Sciencefish (talk) 11:52, 2 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221102115200","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20221102115200-Canterbury_Tail-20221102115000","replies":["c-Sciencefish-20221129092200-Sciencefish-20221102115200"]}}-->

FYI, RA9Markus has once again reverted the image to their preferred one[2], ignoring the consensus discussion on the talk page, and again calling those that changed it idiots. I've put a level 4 warning on their talk page. Sciencefish (talk) 09:22, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221129092200","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20221129092200-Sciencefish-20221102115200","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221129133000-Sciencefish-20221129092200"]}}-->

Okay, next time don't warn them just come to me and I'll manage it if I don't see it. Canterbury Tail talk 13:30, 29 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221129133000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221129133000-Sciencefish-20221129092200","replies":["c-Sciencefish-20221130093100-Canterbury_Tail-20221129133000"]}}-->

Understood. Sciencefish (talk) 09:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221130093100","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20221130093100-Canterbury_Tail-20221129133000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, CT. As a Friendly Local Administrator, could you look at UCL Press, please? Looks like a copy/paste job (hopefully, COI edit if not).

For UCLP to have its own article is uncontroversial IMO (when I created it as a redirect to UCL, it was a quick'n'dirty fix that I forgot to come back to). So the question re the means rather than the end. Is a null edit giving attribution enough or does it have to be done 'properly'? 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 16:27, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103162700","author":"John Maynard Friedman","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103162700-UCL_press","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103165700-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103162700"],"displayName":"\ud835\udd41\ud835\udd44\ud835\udd3d"}}-->

Looks like someone has already handled it, deleted the copyvios and redirected it. Canterbury Tail talk 16:57, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103165700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103165700-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103162700","replies":["c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103175000-Canterbury_Tail-20221103165700"]}}-->

Yes, so I see. Thanks for looking anyway. Was this the most appropriate way to flag a new or rebuilt article for review? --𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 17:50, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103175000","author":"John Maynard Friedman","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103175000-Canterbury_Tail-20221103165700","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204400-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103175000"],"displayName":"\ud835\udd41\ud835\udd44\ud835\udd3d"}}-->

Since it was a blatant copyvio it’s fine. Canterbury Tail talk 20:44, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103204400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204400-John_Maynard_Friedman-20221103175000","replies":[]}}-->

Why did you remove the infobox Michelin star from the article K Club? It is part of a series where all restaurant with a historical Michelin star have that infobox. The star is sourced. The Banner talk 18:08, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103180800","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-20221103180800-K_Club","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204300-The_Banner-20221103180800"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

I reverted, I see it is referenced even if some of the wording is not quite correct (I.e. chefs don’t earn stars, restaurants do.) I did remove it because it’s ancient and could make people think it still has it. Canterbury Tail talk 20:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103204300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204300-The_Banner-20221103180800","replies":["c-The_Banner-20221103213600-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204300"]}}-->

It is the restaurant that gets the star, but often when the chef leaves, the star leaves too. And when the chef starts elsewhere, Michelin knows his/her qualities and is often quick with rewarding a new star. For example: Henk Savelberg.

But thanks for the revert. Much appreciated. The Banner talk 21:36, 3 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221103213600","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-The_Banner-20221103213600-Canterbury_Tail-20221103204300","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

Please see User talk:99.233.169.216. You blocked them two months ago and they are back making the same kinds of edits on a mass scale. I reported this at ANI but no one has taken any action yet. MB 00:49, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221107004900","author":"MB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-MB-20221107004900-Disruptive_airline_editor_back_again.","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221107022200-MB-20221107004900"]}}-->

And done. Canterbury Tail talk 02:22, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221107022200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221107022200-MB-20221107004900","replies":[]}}-->

TCG here, I just want to say that I appreciate your attempt to offer a balanced point of view while I was being used as a scratching post. Wikipedia would be a far better website if there were more editors like you. The others in that nasty shouting match have now taken over a page I had put a good deal of work into and now revert any and all edits not made by themselves. The sheer amount of bad faith, bias, and possessiveness over articles is frankly disgusting. I got indefinitely blocked for the high crime of reverting an article they had arbitrarily commandeered. However I have no further interest in the site anyway given the appalling behaviour of a certain admin I will not name. I had once thought Wikipedia could be reformed, but it would need many many more people like you and far fewer like.... yes...

Cheers, and farewell. - TCG. 89.240.246.123 (talk) 14:10, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221108141000","author":"89.240.246.123","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-89.240.246.123-20221108141000-Thankyou","replies":[]}}-->

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I wanted to see how reliable the info on Wikipedia was, so I vandalised it a few times to test if anyone would bother reverting them. I was surprised to see that people do care about Wikipedia and they will stop vandalism. Thank you for being one of those who care. AryanBaviskar (talk) 23:35, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221113233500","author":"AryanBaviskar","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AryanBaviskar-20221113233500-A_barnstar_for_you!_4","replies":[]}}-->

Please block the IP range 147.158.0.0/16 because it was used for adding fake information across Wikimedia projects as depicted like this..... Thanks...... 180.241.77.113 (talk) 04:07, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221116040700","author":"180.241.77.113","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-180.241.77.113-20221116040700-Please_help_me","replies":[]}}-->

Please extend the expiration blocking time of IP range 120.188.0.0/17 until 31 May 2025 because it would be used by the anonymous user which frequently add word "Lampung" at the wrong place as well as adding any wrong information across Wikimedia projects like this..... Thanks..... 36.78.194.76 (talk) 04:00, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221123040000","author":"36.78.194.76","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-36.78.194.76-20221123040000-Please_help_me_2","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221123135500-36.78.194.76-20221123040000"]}}-->

That range is already blocked, there is zero reason to pre-emptively extend it. Lets just see if it's an issue once the block expires. Canterbury Tail talk 13:55, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221123135500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221123135500-36.78.194.76-20221123040000","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for reversing my edit on the pronoun. A while after I made the edit, I realized I had misread the sentence and went back to undo -- but you beat me to it. Good to know someone is double-checking! Grammarbuddy (talk) 04:16, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221126041600","author":"Grammarbuddy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Grammarbuddy-20221126041600-Alien_3","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221126121100-Grammarbuddy-20221126041600"]}}-->

No worries, we all make mistakes sometimes. Still learning after 17 years myself. Canterbury Tail talk 12:11, 26 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221126121100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221126121100-Grammarbuddy-20221126041600","replies":[]}}-->

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You seem to be on a lot of pages I’m on. DrkWebber (talk) 18:59, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221211185900","author":"DrkWebber","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DrkWebber-20221211185900-DrkWebber","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20221211223100-DrkWebber-20221211185900"]}}-->

I have well over a thousand pages on my watchlist, and have tens of thousands of edits all over the encyclopaedia. Canterbury Tail talk 22:31, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221211223100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20221211223100-DrkWebber-20221211185900","replies":["c-DrkWebber-20221212044700-Canterbury_Tail-20221211223100"]}}-->

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User talk:SharadSHRD7 is continuously vandilizing the page Next Indian general election even after warning him. Editors like User talk:Dhruv edits told not to add regional alliances to the page as it is national election. He is still vandalizing the page even requesting him not to do that. He has contested in edit warring many times in past and there was a discussion involving him at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Please do something. XYZ 250706 (talk) 14:32, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230111143200","author":"XYZ 250706","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-XYZ_250706-20230111143200-January_2023","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230111143400-XYZ_250706-20230111143200"]}}-->

A) it's not vandalism, I recommend you read WP:VANDALISM for what constitutes vandalism and B) You're edit warring in a content dispute. Canterbury Tail talk 14:34, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230111143400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230111143400-XYZ_250706-20230111143200","replies":[]}}-->

Could you specify from which lemma you have removed external links? Smi953 (talk) 10:15, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120101500","author":"Smi953","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smi953-20230120101500-Selfpromotion","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120132500-Smi953-20230120101500"]}}-->

I'm sorry, I don't know what that sentence means. I'm not sure how the workings of a theory have anything to do with Wikipedia. Canterbury Tail talk 13:25, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120132500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120132500-Smi953-20230120101500","replies":[]}}-->

You wrote on 17 January 2023: Self promotion. Please do not use Wikipedia to reference and link to your own works, this is considered self-promotion and spamming.

Information icon Hello, I'm Canterbury Tail. I wanted to let you know that one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page, or take a look at our guidelines about links. Thank you. Canterbury Tail talk 12:40, 17 January 2023 (UTC) Smi953 (talk) 11:57, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230124115700","author":"Smi953","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smi953-20230124115700-Selfpromotion","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230124122300-Smi953-20230124115700"]}}-->

You should have gotten a notification on it since it was a reversion, but it was these edits where you link from a see also to your own work. Canterbury Tail talk 12:23, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230124122300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230124122300-Smi953-20230124115700","replies":[]}}-->

It was not meant as selfpromotion, but to give users more insight into bar scale values, especially historical ones. The International Cartographic Association has thought it usefull enough to make this information available on its own site on the internet. For my part the 'see also reference' can be used without my name as author, as long as the user can have profit from it. When someone else would have added the reference it would have been an independent source! Smi953 (talk) 10:23, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230125102300","author":"Smi953","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Smi953-20230125102300-Selfpromotion","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230125120800-Smi953-20230125102300"]}}-->

Just be sure you're following WP:COI. It's generally best not to add anything about yourself in any way and allow others to do so. One other point, See alsos are for internal Wikipedia links, not external links. Canterbury Tail talk 12:08, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230125120800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230125120800-Smi953-20230125102300","replies":[]}}-->

@Canterbury Tail Please block User:SharadSHRD7. He is continuously creating dispute and edit warring in some pages like Next Indian general election and Rajya Sabha. He is creating arguement with other editors with baseless logics and is continuously reverting others' edits. He is imposing his edits over others even aftr other editors are against his disruptive edits. Users like User:XYZ 250706, User:Chennai Super Kings Lover, User:AS Sayyad, User:Repto79456, User:Ku423winz1, User:Shakya2007 have discussed with him, but he is still imposing his edits over others. These edits are fed up with User:SharadSHRD7's disputes and baseless arguements. XYZ 250706 (talk) 15:28, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120152800","author":"XYZ 250706","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-XYZ_250706-20230120152800-January_2023_2","replies":["c-SharadSHRD7-20230120153700-XYZ_250706-20230120152800"]}}-->

@XYZ 250706:: Wikipedia is based on collaborative environment. Disagreements have to be discussed in the talk page of related article. Users like User:Ok123l and User:Dhruv edits had adviced you in the talk page to stop adding Left Democratic Front (national level) because of its speculative nature, but you still insists to add it without any explicit source. I have applied for dispute resolution on this issue. SharadSHRD7 (talk) 15:37, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120153700","author":"SharadSHRD7","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-SharadSHRD7-20230120153700-XYZ_250706-20230120152800","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120153900-SharadSHRD7-20230120153700"]}}-->

Seriously, I cannot believe you're all edit warring and risking blocks over a possible election in way over a year. Frankly that article is a WP:CRYSTALBALL and should probably just be deleted. Canterbury Tail talk 15:39, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120153900","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120153900-SharadSHRD7-20230120153700","replies":[]}}-->

Should I blank that article due to WP:CRYSTALBALL, to stop these edits war? Chennai Super Kings Lover (talk)

Thank you for standing with our factual group against a disruptive user accused of violating Wikipedia's guidelines. Shakya2007 (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120163600","author":"Shakya2007","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shakya2007-20230120163600-January_2023_2","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120170500-Shakya2007-20230120163600"]}}-->

Don't get me wrong, I have no interest or care in the content of the article. I'm just stopping the massive disruption that's happening to the article. Canterbury Tail talk 17:05, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230120170500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230120170500-Shakya2007-20230120163600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, you made an edit to the Banagher page by deleting an external link that I had put in. The link was incomplete so I had inserted the wrong URL. However, it is a while since I used Wikipedia extensively and I cannot find the place in the text where the citation was. It was removed from Line 427. Is there a way of getting line numbers up in Edit? I'd like to fix it but just cannot find it - I did a lot of updating at the same time. Thanks for the help.Corcs999 (talk) 12:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230131122400","author":"Corcs999","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Corcs999-20230131122400-Banagher","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230131162000-Corcs999-20230131122400"]}}-->

It was an external link, it was just in the External links section. Canterbury Tail talk 16:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230131162000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230131162000-Corcs999-20230131122400","replies":[]}}-->

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Brother, I really thanked you for blocked that "Meme kid" Simpsonsfan505. Very weird that he's ever deleted the entire article about Ohio tho BroBro1222 (talk) 07:20, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230204072000","author":"BroBro1222","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BroBro1222-20230204072000-Ohio","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230204164400-BroBro1222-20230204072000"]}}-->

Do not gravedance on blocked editors talk pages, and do not change other people's comments, especially to an incorrect spelling. Canterbury Tail talk 16:44, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230204164400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230204164400-BroBro1222-20230204072000","replies":[]}}-->

Srry mate, just didn't know if the word "Encyclopaedia" exists😅😅 BroBro1222 (talk) 08:19, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230205081900","author":"BroBro1222","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BroBro1222-20230205081900-Ohio","replies":[]}}-->

I have begun a discussion on Alien 3 talk page about the stylised 'Alien³' name. Find it here: Talk:Alien_3#Name_stylised_as_Alien³

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Please note that as per our style guidelines, all airports with distinguishing name annexes are hyphenated, that includes London-Heathrow - you won't find another destination chart where its not. 2001:A61:1016:8201:184A:C762:E1C4:73EB (talk) 07:53, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230211075300","author":"2001:A61:1016:8201:184A:C762:E1C4:73EB","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2001:A61:1016:8201:184A:C762:E1C4:73EB-20230211075300-Heathrow_Airport","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230211120800-2001:A61:1016:8201:184A:C762:E1C4:73EB-20230211075300"]}}-->

Can you point me to this guideline? Canterbury Tail talk 12:08, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230211120800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230211120800-2001:A61:1016:8201:184A:C762:E1C4:73EB-20230211075300","replies":[]}}-->

I'm not sure how much you remember about that "IP hopping Malaysian block evading editor" (refer to this and this), but their behaviour has continued on for a long time now since then, to this day, with pretty much all recent edits coming from 42.190.x.x and 219.92.x.x IP ranges.

I've filed a report at ANI/Vast history of disruptive edit warring and personal attacks from a user at 42.190.128.0/18 (+ more IP ranges), including a comprehensive list of incidents table, the first IP range has been blocked long-term already, but I just wanted to post this notice/message since you were involved in this at least once in the past, if you know more about them and have anything to add.

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Hi @Canterbury Tail! Sorry to have pinged you on ANI regarding this one user's ANI blitz before I saw it was resolved on their talk page (i.e. they said they'd stop). I was just very concerned about a fairly new and inexperienced user making a really stern and bold judgment, along with a vote declaring it should be involved editor's last chance, in a very contentious and sensitive discussion, and clearly without giving it much thought. I am all for users with a variety of experience participating in public debates, but have found his conduct to be suspicious at best. Anyway, I am happy it was resolved and thank you. Ppt91^talk 17:04, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230222170400","author":"Ppt91","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ppt91-20230222170400-ANI_blitz","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230222184200-Ppt91-20230222170400"]}}-->

Not a worry, all is good. I'd rather know other editors are noticing and it's not just me in isolation having issues with it. Canterbury Tail talk 18:42, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230222184200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230222184200-Ppt91-20230222170400","replies":[]}}-->

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Hey there, just a heads up: it's possible Inadvertent Consequences is actually a sock of the permanently blocked twobells (who you blocked). The fact that they're edit warring about the UK/US thing, which is exactly what twobells did (which was a factor in their block), is very telling. The BSG article has been on my watchlist for over a decade, and they were the only one to ever edit war over this. Despite having under 300 edits, they have edited 14 of the same articles as twobells and Inadvertent Consequences's previous account, Roland Of Yew (they made a new one because they forgot their password) has edited 36 of the same articles as twobells. Thoughts? Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302143200","author":"Drovethrughosts","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drovethrughosts-20230302143200-Battlestar_Galatica","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144000-Drovethrughosts-20230302143200"]}}-->

Had been having some thoughts of familiarity, but yes all the interaction reports and edit styles are blatant. Drawer has been cleaned. Pages tagged and bagged. Canterbury Tail talk 14:40, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302144000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144000-Drovethrughosts-20230302143200","replies":["c-Drovethrughosts-20230302144400-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144000"]}}-->

I was going to create a SPI, but I noticed you were the admin who blocked the original account, so I figured this way was easier. Thanks! Drovethrughosts (talk) 14:44, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302144400","author":"Drovethrughosts","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drovethrughosts-20230302144400-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144000","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144500-Drovethrughosts-20230302144400"]}}-->

Oh absolutely, no problems. Thanks for the research, and feel free to reach out anytime. I come across your edits frequently and have many of those pages on my watchlist. Canterbury Tail talk 14:45, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302144500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144500-Drovethrughosts-20230302144400","replies":["c-Drovethrughosts-20230302150000-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144500"]}}-->

Thanks again! Have a good day! Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230302150000","author":"Drovethrughosts","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Drovethrughosts-20230302150000-Canterbury_Tail-20230302144500","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed you reverted by edit to The Empire Strikes Back. I have noticed many, many Star Wars articles with {{Wookieepedia}} applied to them, Grand Admiral Thrawn, Luke Skywalker, Star Wars (film), etc. Why did you revert my edit? I believe that linking to wookieepedia is helpful for articles, as Wookieepedia provides a IU presentation of the subject. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 19:48, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230304194800","author":"Senior Captain Thrawn","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304194800-The_Empire_Strikes_Back","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230304201500-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304194800"]}}-->

Adding an external link to a webpage you are one of the most major contributors to constitutes a WP:COI and is usually considered promotional spamming. Canterbury Tail talk 20:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230304201500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230304201500-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304194800","replies":["c-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304202700-Canterbury_Tail-20230304201500"]}}-->

I am not "one of the most major contributors" to Wookieepedia. While I have performed a minor edit to The Empire Strikes back article, I don't think this is a COI. From my understanding there seems to be a consensus that having links to wookieepedia articles is useful, I don't think this a is COI just to add a link. "While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest similar to how a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator would be undermined if they were married to one of the parties." I think that adding a link to a wookieepdia article is furthering the purpose as an encyclopedia, as there seems to an agreement that doing so is useful. While most of my contributions here have been related to that, it is merely because it is something that I can do to further the encyclopedia. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 20:27, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230304202700","author":"Senior Captain Thrawn","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304202700-Canterbury_Tail-20230304201500","replies":["c-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304203500-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304202700"]}}-->

Update after reading Wikipedia:External links. "Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that is relevant to an encyclopedic understanding of the subject and cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks), or other reasons." I believe wookieepdia qualifies for this because it contains a lot of information that is not suitable for Wikipedia, but may be of interest to the reader. While it does also say "Open wikis, except those with a substantial history of stability and a substantial number of editors." [should not be linked] wookieepedia definitely has a history of stability and a substantial number of editors. Senior Captain Thrawn (talk) 20:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230304203500","author":"Senior Captain Thrawn","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304203500-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304202700","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230304223200-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304203500"]}}-->

If you want to put it back I won't fight it, but you do have a COI for Wookieepedia being such a prolific editor there. Additionally it is my belief that Wookieepedia links should all be removed from Wikipedia due to it failing WP:COPYLINK due to the sheer amount of copyrighted stuff it hosts without permission. Canterbury Tail talk 22:32, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230304223200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230304223200-Senior_Captain_Thrawn-20230304203500","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello! I see you have just removed a bit on Poverty in Canterbury. I understand your reasons. There is much additional material I could cite from e.g. local paper Kent Messenger. Is it just the source cited that you are not happy with or is it the whole idea of having something rather negative on the Canterbury page that you do not like? If the former, then I can rework with different sources? Balance person (talk) 08:25, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230407082500","author":"Balance person","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Balance_person-20230407082500-Poverty_in_Canterbury","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230407082700-Balance_person-20230407082500"]}}-->

There is an active discussion going on on the Talk:Canterbury page, I think this is best handled there. Overall though I think it's better than I initially thought but needs tidying and ensuring it follows WP:UNDUE. Canterbury Tail talk 08:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230407082700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230407082700-Balance_person-20230407082500","replies":[]}}-->

		The LGBT Barnstar
		On a day where IRL some kids tried to smash the window of my house with my pride flag in it, seeing this statement from you was powerful and affirming and made things better for me personally. Thank you. — Trey Maturin™ 22:58, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230412225800","author":"Trey Maturin","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Trey_Maturin-20230412225800-Thank_you","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230412235500-Trey_Maturin-20230412225800"]}}-->

While I appreciate it there really is no need to thank me. Its called being a decent human being. Something I wish more people where. As someone who isn't a member of a minority group it is absolutely and completely my duty to stand up against those who think it's acceptable, to throw slurs, comments and treat people like that. The majority telling them they're actually the ones in the minority and smacking them down hard is the only way in my opinion. But yes I will never tolerate even an inkling of such behaviour on here or offline. And I'm sorry you got treated that way by small minded insecure cowardly bigots and apologise on behalf of the rest of us. Canterbury Tail talk 23:55, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230412235500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230412235500-Trey_Maturin-20230412225800","replies":[]}}-->

I'd remove flags in accordance to Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Icons, since what I removed some of these flags, like .ru, .me, .tv and .ws, when flag icons lead to unnecessary disputes when over-used. 112.204.193.241 (talk) 23:40, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230417234000","author":"112.204.193.241","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-112.204.193.241-20230417234000-Flags_in_internet_country_code_top-level_domains","replies":[]}}-->

An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Steven Kane, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Ballynahinch.

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Ya might as well cue up, Boar's Breath while yer at it, Mr. Voorhees. Americanfreedom (talk) 15:51, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230425155100","author":"Americanfreedom","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Americanfreedom-20230425155100-*Sigh*","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230426061000-Americanfreedom-20230425155100"]}}-->

Excuse me? Canterbury Tail talk 06:10, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230426061000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230426061000-Americanfreedom-20230425155100","replies":[]}}-->

By way of heads-up, see the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style/Ireland-related_articles#Londonderry/Derry. Alekksandr (talk) 17:32, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230430173200","author":"Alekksandr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alekksandr-20230430173200-Londonderry\/Derry","replies":["c-Alekksandr-20230501105600-Alekksandr-20230430173200"]}}-->

By way of further heads-up, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Abhartach&action=history - User Superlonghurst has repeatedly edited Abhartach in breach of Wikipedia's MOS, has been invited to discuss the issue at that article's talk page, and has not done so. Alekksandr (talk) 10:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230501105600","author":"Alekksandr","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Alekksandr-20230501105600-Alekksandr-20230430173200","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230501111900-Alekksandr-20230501105600"]}}-->

Blocked for persistent disruptive edits. Canterbury Tail talk 11:19, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230501111900","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230501111900-Alekksandr-20230501105600","replies":[]}}-->

Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1101#Odd_edit_farm,_unsure_if_sockpuppetry_or_meatpuppetry that you raised last June all switched to adding big paragraphs of blog-sourced content a few months later, if you hadn't already noticed. I just reverted some such links added by AuntElizabeth today, and noticed this after being curious about a warning on the user's talk page. Belbury (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230502092800","author":"Belbury","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Belbury-20230502092800-\"Odd_edit_farm\"","replies":[]}}-->

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I noticed the thread about this user and thank you for your actions. I probably should be reported them to AIV or similar and/or investigated their edits more when I had posted on their talk page. I was trying to give them some benefit of the doubt but I will take this outcome in mind for the future and be willing to take more action for similar content (I think I didn't partly because it felt like a case where an admin would defer until more evidence. My mistake.) Skynxnex (talk) 21:08, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230503210800","author":"Skynxnex","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Skynxnex-20230503210800-Re:_WP:ANI#Noice_Catto","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230503232900-Skynxnex-20230503210800"]}}-->

You didn't do anything wrong really. You assumed good faith a bit better which is an admirable trait. However once I looked into it further it seemed there was a lot of red flags. I made a call, and it seems like the other admins are backing me up. However this doesn't mean you made a bad call. Yes it's quite likely this would all have been missed, it also means it could have happened again. Canterbury Tail talk 23:29, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230503232900","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230503232900-Skynxnex-20230503210800","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for blocking the disruptive editor at 2607:FEA8:699C:8700:A976:26B4:32CB:C9FA (talk · contribs · WHOIS) Note that he/she was editing for several day - same stuff, same articles, hundreds of edits - using a different IP address in the 2607:FEA8:699C:8700:0:0:0:0/64 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) range. Probably worth a /64 rangeblock. 10mmsocket (talk) 13:53, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230504135300","author":"10mmsocket","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-10mmsocket-20230504135300-Your_block_of_2607:FEA8:699C:8700:A976:26B4:32CB:C9FA","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230504224600-10mmsocket-20230504135300"]}}-->

Looks like someone beat me to it. Canterbury Tail talk 22:46, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230504224600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230504224600-10mmsocket-20230504135300","replies":["c-10mmsocket-20230505063100-Canterbury_Tail-20230504224600"]}}-->

Yes. Thank you again. 10mmsocket (talk) 06:31, 5 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230505063100","author":"10mmsocket","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-10mmsocket-20230505063100-Canterbury_Tail-20230504224600","replies":["c-BilCat-20230510235700-10mmsocket-20230505063100"]}}-->

User is back on Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:699C:8700::/64 BilCat (talk) 23:57, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230510235700","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BilCat-20230510235700-10mmsocket-20230505063100","replies":[]}}-->

Down for a week now. Canterbury Tail talk 02:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230511020300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230511020300-Your_block_of_2607:FEA8:699C:8700:A976:26B4:32CB:C9FA","replies":["c-BilCat-20230511033500-Canterbury_Tail-20230511020300","c-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300-Canterbury_Tail-20230511020300"]}}-->

Thank you very much. BilCat (talk) 03:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230511033500","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BilCat-20230511033500-Canterbury_Tail-20230511020300","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230511090600-BilCat-20230511033500"]}}-->

This will get tricky blocking a large IP range like this, but we'll see where it goes. Canterbury Tail talk 09:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230511090600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230511090600-BilCat-20230511033500","replies":["c-BilCat-20230512071900-Canterbury_Tail-20230511090600"]}}-->

I understand. I suspect they'll pop up on another range in a few days. BilCat (talk) 07:19, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230512071900","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-BilCat-20230512071900-Canterbury_Tail-20230511090600","replies":["c-10mmsocket-20230512085700-BilCat-20230512071900"]}}-->

It's all part of the fun of the Wikimedia Whackamole game - plus we don't have to pay 25c to play! --10mmsocket (talk) 08:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230512085700","author":"10mmsocket","type":"comment","level":9,"id":"c-10mmsocket-20230512085700-BilCat-20230512071900","replies":["c-BilCat-20230512100900-10mmsocket-20230512085700"]}}-->

Unfortunately, they don't have to pay either! If they did, maybe we'd get a lot less of it. BilCat (talk) 10:09, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230512100900","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":10,"id":"c-BilCat-20230512100900-10mmsocket-20230512085700","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230512110300-BilCat-20230512100900"]}}-->

Well they spent around 6 hours making edits the other day which I rolled back in about 2 minutes. So they're paying, just in a different way. Canterbury Tail talk 11:03, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230512110300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":11,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230512110300-BilCat-20230512100900","replies":["c-BilCat-20230512112200-Canterbury_Tail-20230512110300"]}}-->

Yet they keep coming back to do it all over again. Sigh. BilCat (talk) 11:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230512112200","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":12,"id":"c-BilCat-20230512112200-Canterbury_Tail-20230512110300","replies":["c-BilCat-20230519002000-BilCat-20230512112200"]}}-->

And back again at Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:699C:8700::/64. BilCat (talk) 00:20, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230519002000","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":13,"id":"c-BilCat-20230519002000-BilCat-20230512112200","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230519011300-BilCat-20230519002000"]}}-->

Down for a month now, all rolled back. Canterbury Tail talk 01:13, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230519011300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":14,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230519011300-BilCat-20230519002000","replies":["c-BilCat-20230519014300-Canterbury_Tail-20230519011300"]}}-->

Thanks again. BilCat (talk) 01:43, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230519014300","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":15,"id":"c-BilCat-20230519014300-Canterbury_Tail-20230519011300","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230519105700-BilCat-20230519014300"]}}-->

No problem. I don't get why people bang their heads and waste their time doing this stuff. Canterbury Tail talk 10:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230519105700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":16,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230519105700-BilCat-20230519014300","replies":["c-BilCat-20230620202000-Canterbury_Tail-20230519105700"]}}-->

The one-month block has expired, and they have returned to the same editing patterns on multiple articles on Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:699C:8700:0:0:0:0/64. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 20:20, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230620202000","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":17,"id":"c-BilCat-20230620202000-Canterbury_Tail-20230519105700","replies":[]}}-->

Sheesh, blocked again. I've also caught them a couple of times on other IPs and blocked them, definitely the same user. Canterbury Tail talk 20:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230620202300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300-Canterbury_Tail-20230511020300","replies":["c-BilCat-20230620203200-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300","c-10mmsocket-20230620205000-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300"]}}-->

Thank you very much! BilCat (talk) 20:32, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230620203200","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BilCat-20230620203200-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300","replies":[]}}-->

Yay! 10mmsocket (talk) 20:50, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230620205000","author":"10mmsocket","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-10mmsocket-20230620205000-Canterbury_Tail-20230620202300","replies":[]}}-->

User:Scutata Mutt Lunker (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230506100500","author":"Mutt Lunker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mutt_Lunker-20230506100500-Catch_of_the_day","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230506150100-Mutt_Lunker-20230506100500"]}}-->

Boring. Someone else beat me to it :) Canterbury Tail talk 15:01, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230506150100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230506150100-Mutt_Lunker-20230506100500","replies":[]}}-->

User:Pratyush Jiban Borah warned umpteen times but kept vandalising. Can you please block him? Thankyou. zoglophie 08:30, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230508083000","author":"Zoglophie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Zoglophie-20230508083000-Request","replies":[]}}-->

How is it possible to edit an article with reliable sources? Seepelan (talk) 20:02, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230520200200","author":"Seepelan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Seepelan-20230520200200-Article_Mohammad_Yaromtaghloo","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230520200300-Seepelan-20230520200200"]}}-->

Please read Reliable Sources and WP:REFERENCING for details. Canterbury Tail talk 20:03, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230520200300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230520200300-Seepelan-20230520200200","replies":[]}}-->

IP 107.15.19.235 who you reverted a short time ago on Warhammer 40,000 has two similar edits to the Warhammer Age of Sigmar and Middle-earth Strategy Battle Game articles doing much the same thing, blanking sections on the respective settings. A reading of WP:NOTGUIDE doesn't lead me to believe this is an appropriate application of the policy (the sections are not a game guide in the sense the policy talks about) but history shows me to not be the best judge of Wikipedia's policies, so I'd just like to touch base on this before taking action; is this something to be reverted? Rogue 9 (talk) 02:09, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230522020900","author":"Rogue 9","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rogue_9-20230522020900-Warhammer_article_blankings","replies":[]}}-->

You said they seem inappropriate. Can you please elaborate why do you think they seem unrelated, spam or inappropriate? Bytepie (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230524130300","author":"Bytepie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bytepie-20230524130300-H.P_Lovecraft_Edits","replies":["c-Bytepie-20230524132100-Bytepie-20230524130300"]}}-->

Hello, Canterbury Tail. Thank you for your message. I added the link to the H.P. Lovecraft profile on Mysticbooks.org because it provides relevant information about the author. While you may have found it inappropriate, I believe it is useful and within the context of H.P. Lovecraft's works. I understand that you may have concerns, but it's worth considering the efforts of smaller groups who strive to make classical literature more accessible for free. If you have any further questions or would like to discuss this matter, please feel free to reach out. Thank you. Bytepie (talk) 13:21, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230524132100","author":"Bytepie","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bytepie-20230524132100-Bytepie-20230524130300","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230524142800-Bytepie-20230524132100"]}}-->

It adds zero information to the article, zero. There is nothing in that link that isn't already in the article. And there are no links to books that we don't already have links for. It provides no value at all. And since you keep adding that site all over Wikipedia it's clear WP:SPAMming. And all the other articles is the same thing. Links must add additional encyclopaedic content that the article doesn't already have and abide by WP:EL. Canterbury Tail talk 14:28, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230524142800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230524142800-Bytepie-20230524132100","replies":[]}}-->

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Momentarily thought you were calling me the link spammer, as mine was the last edit before yours. Then saw you removed actual spam from an earlier edit. Well done. Hyperbolick (talk) 03:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230525031900","author":"Hyperbolick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Hyperbolick-20230525031900-Had_a_moment","replies":[]}}-->

The other day I added what I thought was an interesting piece of information on the subject of Mesolithic Ireland. I added some additional information regarding a Mesolithic site where I live (Ballymaglaff). I also cited a reference to the deceased archaeologists book, who initially wrote about this decades ago. This is an article on archaeology.org, about the settlement. https://www.archaeology.org/news/2158-140603-ireland-ballymaglaff-mesolithic

Why did you remove this information? Do you think that I am making this settlement up? I simply cannot understand why you would just erase this. Stevemcb (talk) 21:51, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230603215100","author":"Stevemcb","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stevemcb-20230603215100-Removal_of_my_addition_to_Mesolithic_Ireland","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230603231100-Stevemcb-20230603215100"]}}-->

Actually I didn't mean to, I meant to fix it up with a better reference, which I have now done so. Canterbury Tail talk 23:11, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230603231100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230603231100-Stevemcb-20230603215100","replies":[]}}-->

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	70,000+ edits! Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230608163000","author":"Ad Orientem","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ad_Orientem-20230608163000-A_barnstar_for_you!_7","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! I noticed that you reverted my edit at the M20 motorway article. I'll agree with you that the context regarding Brexit in the lead was too detailed, however, I think that the overall structure of the lead in my edit was an improvement to the previous revision, delivering it in a more succinct and structured manner. Using the previous revision of the article (my edit), it would go from this:

"It is also used as a holding area for goods traffic under Operation Stack when traffic across the English Channel is disrupted. Since 2018, Operation Brock..."

...to this:

"It is also used as a holding area for goods traffic under Operation Stack and Operation Brock when traffic across the English Channel is disrupted.", which is similar to the wording prior to the edit and after it was reverted.

Thank you! Yasslaywikia (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613134700","author":"Yasslaywikia","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yasslaywikia-20230613134700-Reversion_of_edit_at_M20_motorway","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613134800-Yasslaywikia-20230613134700"]}}-->

Why did you remove the conversion templates from the article? I notice you did the same on the M2 motorway article so they'll need reinserting. I think it's better to put the why in first instead of trying to link to the solutions before explaining why personally. I shouldn't need to wait until the end of a longish sentence to understand its context. Canterbury Tail talk 13:48, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613134800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613134800-Yasslaywikia-20230613134700","replies":["c-Yasslaywikia-20230613135400-Canterbury_Tail-20230613134800"]}}-->

I didn't notice that I removed the conversion templates from the article - does this have to do with the miles to km conversion or something else? I'm not that experienced of an editor, so please forgive me for my incompetence. As for the understanding of the context, I understand - I think it'd be better suited in the body of the article, as you said. Yasslaywikia (talk) 13:54, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613135400","author":"Yasslaywikia","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Yasslaywikia-20230613135400-Canterbury_Tail-20230613134800","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613135600-Yasslaywikia-20230613135400"]}}-->

Yes just the conversion from miles to KM. We use templates that auto-calculate those rather than manually putting them in. It also allows automated screen readers to interact with them and have things in the user's preferences. For the M2 it would just need putting back for the miles/KM in the opening. Canterbury Tail talk 13:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613135600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613135600-Yasslaywikia-20230613135400","replies":["c-Yasslaywikia-20230613135900-Canterbury_Tail-20230613135600"]}}-->

I see, thank you! I didn't realise that there was a template assigned to them as I'd assumed that they were worked out manually. That'll be great to know in the future. When I'm editing articles with conversion templates on them, how do I change the text without deleting the conversion template by mistake? Afterwards, we can discuss what to do with the lead paragraph and if my rewriting of it is an improvement, and this around the inclusion of context surrounding Brexit with Operation Brock would be omitted. Yasslaywikia (talk) 13:59, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613135900","author":"Yasslaywikia","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Yasslaywikia-20230613135900-Canterbury_Tail-20230613135600","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613141000-Yasslaywikia-20230613135900"]}}-->

You can just copy and paste the template around like you would any text and edit around it. Canterbury Tail talk 14:10, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230613141000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230613141000-Yasslaywikia-20230613135900","replies":[]}}-->

I need a current event timestamp on the Canada article. The place is in the news-STILL in the news due to the ongoing fires.Some believe the cause is Arson, some say it is a accident, like someone had thrown out a lit butt. I can't do anything at all there, due to a protect status. Got smoke from this even in the US Heartland area. 216.247.72.142 (talk) 13:24, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628132400","author":"216.247.72.142","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-216.247.72.142-20230628132400-Need_help_on_Canada_article:","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230628141800-216.247.72.142-20230628132400"]}}-->

Canada is a country, not a current event. It does not need a tag. Please stop spamming all over Wikipedia related to this. Canterbury Tail talk 14:18, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628141800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230628141800-216.247.72.142-20230628132400","replies":[]}}-->

It'sss just that the fires on Canada are having a real impact on the US economically, and physically, since asthma claims are up as well, and I need help on this, since these fires are no longer a local news item, they're now a International matter as well. That is why I need the current affairs tag for Canada. As to the cause, I've heard everything from Arson to a major accident, such as people throwing out lit cigs and/or a unattended campfire.

Well if the US keeps denying climate change it's only going to get worse. Reap what you sow, the previous generations completely sold out the earth to make a quick buck and the rest of us are living with the consequences. And no we're not putting a current affairs tag on Canada, Canada is a country not a news item or an ongoing event. Canterbury Tail talk 01:22, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230629012200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230629012200-Need_help_on_Canada_article:","replies":[]}}-->

Please see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=2023_Virginia_plane_crash&diff=prev&oldid=1162374183 ☆ Bri (talk) 19:14, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628191400","author":"Bri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bri-20230628191400-Block_evasion","replies":["c-BilCat-20230628205000-Bri-20230628191400"]}}-->

(talk page watcher) Some people just don't know when to stop. Sigh. BilCat (talk) 20:50, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628205000","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-BilCat-20230628205000-Bri-20230628191400","replies":["c-Bri-20230628210300-BilCat-20230628205000"]}}-->

I hope that they know now, and don't come back as Special:Contributions/144.178.6.38 ☆ Bri (talk) 21:03, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628210300","author":"Bri","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bri-20230628210300-BilCat-20230628205000","replies":["c-BilCat-20230628211700-Bri-20230628210300"]}}-->

We can hope. BilCat (talk) 21:17, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230628211700","author":"BilCat","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-BilCat-20230628211700-Bri-20230628210300","replies":[]}}-->

Again https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Babqari ☆ Bri (talk) 22:01, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230630220100","author":"Bri","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bri-20230630220100-Block_evasion","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230630230200-Bri-20230630220100"]}}-->

Sheesh. Blocked and page protected. Canterbury Tail talk 23:02, 30 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230630230200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230630230200-Bri-20230630220100","replies":[]}}-->

I think you antered the wrong number of tildes here. Easily done! 17:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC) Phil Bridger (talk) 17:58, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230629175800","author":"Phil Bridger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Phil_Bridger-20230629175800-ANI","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230629182400-Phil_Bridger-20230629175800"]}}-->

Argh doh. I don't normally do that. Thanks for catching. Canterbury Tail talk 18:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230629182400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230629182400-Phil_Bridger-20230629175800","replies":[]}}-->

News and updates for administrators from the past month (June 2023).

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• Contributions to the English Wikipedia are now released under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License (CC BY-SA 4.0) license instead of CC BY-SA 3.0. Contributions are still also released under the GFDL license.

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• Discussion is open regarding a proposed global policy regarding third-party resources. Third-party resources are computer resources that reside outside of Wikimedia production websites.

Arbitration

• Two arbitration cases are currently open. Proposed decisions are expected 5 July 2023 for the Scottywong case and 9 July 2023 for the AlisonW case.

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding lack of civility in WP:CFD. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 04:09, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230707040900","author":"RevelationDirect","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RevelationDirect-20230707040900-ANI_Notice","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, the Kung Hibbe NOTBROKEN sock is active again, impersonating me into the bargain. Could you? Mutt Lunker (talk) 11:17, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230714111700","author":"Mutt Lunker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mutt_Lunker-20230714111700-Kung_Hibbe_sock","replies":["c-Favonian-20230714112100-Mutt_Lunker-20230714111700"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) Dispatched. Favonian (talk) 11:21, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230714112100","author":"Favonian","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Favonian-20230714112100-Mutt_Lunker-20230714111700","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230714125200-Favonian-20230714112100"]}}-->

I'm clearly not of the right mindset, but what do people get wasting their time on this, it always gets reverted. Canterbury Tail talk 12:52, 14 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230714125200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230714125200-Favonian-20230714112100","replies":[]}}-->

I wanted your eyes on this thread if you have the time. I am unfamiliar with the limits regarding potentially transphobic content. Honestly, their past several edits show serious WP:CIR issues in my non-admin opinion, but I didn't want to raise this to ANI if I am incorrect. Cerebral726 (talk) 14:49, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230803144900","author":"Cerebral726","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cerebral726-20230803144900-Continuing_issues_with_Becausewhynothuh?","replies":[]}}-->

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Arbitration

• The arbitration cases named Scottywong and AlisonW closed 10 July and 16 July respectively.
• The SmallCat dispute arbitration case is in the workshop phase.

The contributor with the numbers as a username mistakened my edit on The Butcher Boy as vandalism when in fact it is not. Sinead died recently and it was her final feature film. Just wanted to give you a head ups on the clarification in case you or someone numbered user reverts my edit on the page again.Cosmic2992 (talk) Cosmic2992 (talk) 18:29, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230809182900","author":"Cosmic2992","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cosmic2992-20230809182900-Why_the_revert?","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230809202100-Cosmic2992-20230809182900"]}}-->

I removed it because it's not relevant or important to the film. Especially when it was made 26 years before her death. Canterbury Tail talk 20:21, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230809202100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230809202100-Cosmic2992-20230809182900","replies":[]}}-->

You ”removed the scam site" from Talk:Toronto, but left the link to it in the article itself. I directly copy-and-pasted it from the citation in the article's lead. The way you removed it from the discussion also now makes gibberish of what I was saying, while also making it look like I'm the one linking "scam sites". 2402:6B00:8E60:E300:50D0:74DF:19D3:657 (talk) 07:21, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230812072100","author":"2402:6B00:8E60:E300:50D0:74DF:19D3:657","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2402:6B00:8E60:E300:50D0:74DF:19D3:657-20230812072100-\"removed_the_scam_site\"","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I have pinged you into a discussion concerning the recent conduct of user Betty Logan. I would appreciate if you could take immediate action. Many thanks. Richie wright1980 (talk) 17:04, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230813170400","author":"Richie wright1980","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richie_wright1980-20230813170400-Immediate_action_needed_against_user:_Betty_Logan","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230813170700-Richie_wright1980-20230813170400"]}}-->

Please don't ping random people into random conversations. If you think there's an issue that needs admin attention them please use WP:ANI. Canterbury Tail talk 17:07, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230813170700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230813170700-Richie_wright1980-20230813170400","replies":[]}}-->

User:PaulLaForge, who has made a blustering post on my talk page, is reverting my reversions of unsourced, unencyclopedically written commentary regarding an entertainment project that they have not demonstrated actually exists. Could you kindly help out with a second opinion? Much obliged. - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:20, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230813172000","author":"Julietdeltalima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Julietdeltalima-20230813172000-Oceanic_Airlines:_new_user_becoming_agitated_re:_sourcing_requirements","replies":[]}}-->

postscript: it has now descended to personal attacks on my talk page. (You're on the "Recently Active Admins" list is why I got here.) - Julietdeltalima (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230813172500","author":"Julietdeltalima","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Julietdeltalima-20230813172500-Oceanic_Airlines:_new_user_becoming_agitated_re:_sourcing_requirements","replies":[]}}-->

Did you look here before making this edit. The sources you need are given there? ww2censor (talk) 16:48, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230816164800","author":"Ww2censor","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ww2censor-20230816164800-Ireland_population_file","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230816170400-Ww2censor-20230816164800"]}}-->

Yes I did. There are no sources on that talk page or on the file page itself, despite what the file description page states. If I'm missing the blindingly obvious, please point them out and trout me but that talk page you pointed me to contains no sources and neither does the file description page. Canterbury Tail talk 17:04, 16 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230816170400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230816170400-Ww2censor-20230816164800","replies":[]}}-->

Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2023 August 29#Population of cities Moxy- 21:03, 29 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230829210300","author":"Moxy","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Moxy-20230829210300-Just_FYI","replies":[]}}-->

I am requesting help dealing with a obvious sockpuppet account 2001:8F8:173D:665C:F439:2CF7:3D9:7AB0 that has been mass reverting edits of mine that were of the now blocked Becausewhynothuh?. I see that you previously blocked the user and have much more experience in dealing with these issues than I am. Sorry for the trouble. —JJB^ers 17:54, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831175400","author":"JJBers","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JJBers-20230831175400-Help_with_a_sockpuppet","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230831175700-JJBers-20230831175400"],"displayName":"JJ"}}-->

Dealt with. Canterbury Tail talk 17:57, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831175700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230831175700-JJBers-20230831175400","replies":["c-JJBers-20230831180000-Canterbury_Tail-20230831175700"]}}-->

Thank you. —JJB^ers 18:00, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831180000","author":"JJBers","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JJBers-20230831180000-Canterbury_Tail-20230831175700","replies":[],"displayName":"JJ"}}-->

I did a quick look at a couple of articles without finding anything, but if you want me to help you can email me. Doug Weller talk 18:51, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831185100","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20230831185100-Socking?","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230831185600-Doug_Weller-20230831185100"]}}-->

See the thread above this one. Quite obvious. Canterbury Tail talk 18:56, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831185600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230831185600-Doug_Weller-20230831185100","replies":["c-Doug_Weller-20230831193900-Canterbury_Tail-20230831185600"]}}-->

Ah, didn’t look. Useful. Thanks. Doug Weller talk 19:39, 31 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230831193900","author":"Doug Weller","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Doug_Weller-20230831193900-Canterbury_Tail-20230831185600","replies":[]}}-->

News and updates for administrators from the past month (August 2023).

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Guideline and policy news

• Following an RfC, TFAs will be automatically semi-protected the day before it is on the main page and through the day after.
• A discussion at WP:VPP about revision deletion and oversight for dead names found that [s]ysops can choose to use revdel if, in their view, it's the right tool for this situation, and they need not default to oversight. But oversight could well be right where there's a particularly high risk to the person. Use your judgment.

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• Special:Contributions now shows the user's local edit count and the account's creation date. (T324166)

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• The SmallCat dispute case has closed. As part of the final decision, editors participating in XfD have been reminded to be careful about forming local consensus which may or may not reflect the broader community consensus. Regular closers of XfD forums were also encouraged to note when broader community discussion, or changes to policies and guidelines, would be helpful.

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• Tech tip: The "Browse history interactively" banner shown at the top of Special:Diff can be used to easily look through a history, assemble composite diffs, or find out what archive something wound up in.

Well. Maybe no fame. That was surely when Breitbart called me out! :-) Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 23:15, 1 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230901231500","author":"Bastun","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bastun-20230901231500-Fame_at_last!","replies":[]}}-->

I note that you blocked user 81.144.121.47 for vandalism at 18:01, 13 March 2023. By way of heads-up, see https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Conradh_na_Gaeilge&diff=1175963263&oldid=1174033522 - they have made the usual county name change (which I have reverted) on the basis that "Conradh na Gaeilge do not refer to their branches in Derry as being in 'Londonderry' which is an offensive colonist name".Alekksandr (talk) 20:26, 18 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230918202600","author":"Alekksandr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Alekksandr-20230918202600-County_Londonderry\/Derry_(again)","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20230919115400-Alekksandr-20230918202600"]}}-->

Dealt with. Thanks. Canterbury Tail talk 11:54, 19 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20230919115400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20230919115400-Alekksandr-20230918202600","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, there's an IP user on Talk:Sini Shetty, who in the two threads on there is monologuing rather than discussing anything to contribute to the article. I'm a bit stumped over what to do here, as I've tried engaging, could you please advise. Sciencefish (talk) 14:26, 1 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231001142600","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20231001142600-Talk:Sini_Shetty","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231002014600-Sciencefish-20231001142600"]}}-->

I just deleted the lot. They're not trying to improve the article in good faith. We're not a forum. Canterbury Tail talk 01:46, 2 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231002014600","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231002014600-Sciencefish-20231001142600","replies":[]}}-->

News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2023).

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• Administrators can now choose to add the user's user page to their watchlist when changing the usergroups for a user. This works both via Special:UserRights and via the API. (T272294)

Arbitration

• Remedy 9 ("MarioProtIV topic ban") of the WikiProject Tropical Cyclones case has been rescinded.

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• The 2023 CheckUser and Oversight appointments process has concluded with the appointment of one new CheckUser.
• Self-nominations for the electoral commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections opens on 2 October and closes on 8 October.

The redirect SoC has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 October 9 § SoC until a consensus is reached. Thryduulf (talk) 00:53, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231010005300","author":"Thryduulf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thryduulf-20231010005300-\"SoC\"_listed_at_Redirects_for_discussion","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I just wanted to inquire about your recent edit on the info box for the International Lunar Research Station page. I see that you've removed the country flags from the infobox, and are an administrator, so I was wondering if there was a reason for this related to rules? In my personal opinion the flags being in the infobox is more asthetically pleasing than the alternative bullet points and doesn't really take anything away from the page. I'm not familiar enough with site rules to know if there is a policy mandate for removal, though I had assumed the flags being there was appropriate considering they are present on (for example) the infobox for the Artemis Accords page and the ITER page, among other international collaborations. Wanting to seek clarification rather than reverting here. Thanks in advance for any insights or guidance you can provide. Chancellor1 (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231012020200","author":"Chancellor1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chancellor1-20231012020200-ILRS_page_country_flags_removal?","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231012122800-Chancellor1-20231012020200"]}}-->

As per the edit summary, see MOS:INFOBOXFLAGS for the explanation. Basically they're not to be used for asthetic purposes. they're visual clutter and don't convey any information but are distractions. There are only a few cases where they're permitted. And incidentally they've been removed from the Artemis Accords and ITER page in the past and someone has re-added them against the MOS. Canterbury Tail talk 12:28, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231012122800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231012122800-Chancellor1-20231012020200","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there,

I notice that you posted several comments on User:Alpha200807's talk page a few days ago, so I thought you should know:-

After posting a comment of my own about what I'd treated as a good-faith, one-off mistake, I noticed they already had numerous complaints and warnings (including yours) going back some time, with no sign they'd taken any of it on board or were about to stop.

So I took it to the Administrators' noticeboard to see what their response would be, and the upshot was they were blocked almost immediately afterwards.

Still no indication in their response to the block that they even get why they were considered disruptive, so you were likely spot-on that this is (at the very least) a CIR issue.

All the best,

Ubcule (talk) 17:07, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231015170700","author":"Ubcule","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ubcule-20231015170700-Update_on_problem_user-_now_banned","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231015225300-Ubcule-20231015170700"]}}-->

Yeah. There's plenty of eyes on them now, and everyone is agreed how disruptive their edits have been. I only regret that I was distracted and didn't block them sooner. Canterbury Tail talk 22:53, 15 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231015225300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231015225300-Ubcule-20231015170700","replies":[]}}-->

Bro @Canterbury Tail, please delete the redirected page 2008 Beijing Drum Tower incident during the Olympic Games because it have WP:2REDIR issues..... Trims..... 36.77.145.72 (talk) 20:24, 22 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231022202400","author":"36.77.145.72","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-36.77.145.72-20231022202400-Page_deletion_requests","replies":[]}}-->

Dear Mr. @Canterbury Tail, please recheck range IP 114.5.0.0/16 and 114.10.0.0/16, these range IP are also used by LTA Lampung, please check the contribution of these LTA.

Please block it again for two years. Thanks. 36.69.20.240 (talk) 13:54, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231030135400","author":"36.69.20.240","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-36.69.20.240-20231030135400-LTA_Lampung_vandalize_again","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there! Do you recall when you edited Cyberpunk (role-playing game) last week, if you saw a yellow box at the top of the screen saying "There are suggestions on this article's talk page for references that may be useful when improving this article in the future"? BOZ (talk) 21:32, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231031213200","author":"BOZ","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BOZ-20231031213200-Editnotice","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231031214100-BOZ-20231031213200"]}}-->

Hmm sorry I don't quite recall. Now you mention it something sounds familiar, but I can't be sure. Canterbury Tail talk 21:41, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231031214100","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231031214100-BOZ-20231031213200","replies":["c-BOZ-20231031215800-Canterbury_Tail-20231031214100"]}}-->

OK no worries, wish I had caught you sooner. :) I'm hoping to take that template live soon, so that editors can see when there are suggested sources on the talk page, so that they can improve articles or assess them for whether or not deletion would be appropriate. I am hoping people will find that useful! BOZ (talk) 21:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231031215800","author":"BOZ","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BOZ-20231031215800-Canterbury_Tail-20231031214100","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed you reverted my edit but Blade Runner being the original work (which it actually isn't) is beside the point because it's still a film in the franchise (look at Category:Terminator (franchise) and Category:Terminator (franchise) films to see what I mean) and as for the category itself, you're welcome to start a deletion discussion if you think it serves no purpose but you should do that before emptying it. Charles Essie (talk) 23:45, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231103234500","author":"Charles Essie","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Charles_Essie-20231103234500-Blade_Runner","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231104025500-Charles_Essie-20231103234500"]}}-->

Yes Blade Runner is the originator of the Blade Runner franchise. That it was loosely based on Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep isn't relevant to that, Blade Runner started the Blade Runner franchise and that is self evident. That's neither by the by anyway, I won't do anything more with the categories. Canterbury Tail talk 02:55, 4 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231104025500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231104025500-Charles_Essie-20231103234500","replies":[]}}-->

News and updates for administrators from the past month (October 2023).

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• There is a proposed plan for re-enabling the Graph Extension. Feedback on this proposal is requested.

Arbitration

• Eligible editors are invited to self-nominate themselves from 12 November 2023 until 21 November 2023 to stand in the 2023 Arbitration Committee elections.
• Xaosflux, RoySmith and Cyberpower678 have been appointed to the Electoral Commission for the 2023 Arbitration Committee Elections. BusterD is the reserve commissioner.
• Following a motion, the contentious topic designation of Prem Rawat has been struck. Actions previously taken using this contentious topic designation are still in force.
• Following several motions, multiple topic areas are no longer designated as a contentious topic. These contentious topic designations were from the Editor conduct in e-cigs articles, Liancourt Rocks, Longevity, Medicine, September 11 conspiracy theories, and Shakespeare authorship question cases.
• Following a motion, remedies 3.1 (All related articles under 1RR whenever the dispute over naming is concerned), 6 (Stalemate resolution) and 30 (Administrative supervision) of the Macedonia 2 case have been rescinded.
• Following a motion, remedy 6 (One-revert rule) of the The Troubles case has been amended.
• An arbitration case named Industrial agriculture has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case close 8 November.

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Mr. @Canterbury Tail, please protect Dewa United F.C. and Sriwijaya F.C. pages indefinitely from anonymous edit, especially LTA Lampung because they are always vandalized by these LTA. Thanks.... 36.76.0.10 (talk) 19:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231111190300","author":"36.76.0.10","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-36.76.0.10-20231111190300-Page_protection_requests","replies":[]}}-->

I was just notified of a comment you made on my talk earlier this evening. Can you cite the article involved so that I can look into this? Please refer to the ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Date format for year articles. Best, 31.55.242.67 (talk) 20:11, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231121201100","author":"31.55.242.67","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-31.55.242.67-20231121201100-Status_quo","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231121215400-31.55.242.67-20231121201100","c-31.55.242.67-20231122122100-31.55.242.67-20231121201100"]}}-->

The article in question was Croatian Defence Forces where you changed the English version from American English to British English. It has nothing to do with date formats or year articles that you've never edited so not sure why you'd point to something like that. Canterbury Tail talk 21:54, 21 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231121215400","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231121215400-31.55.242.67-20231121201100","replies":[]}}-->

The very first revision of this article (long before 2009) refers to "Croatian Defence Forces." 31.55.242.67 (talk) 12:21, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231122122100","author":"31.55.242.67","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-31.55.242.67-20231122122100-31.55.242.67-20231121201100","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231122124700-31.55.242.67-20231122122100"]}}-->

Okay yes, absolutely fair. Great point that should have been blindingly obvious to me. Apologies, I have self reverted. Canterbury Tail talk 12:47, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231122124700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231122124700-31.55.242.67-20231122122100","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Canterbury Tail. Would you mind taking a look at this Teahouse question which is about Draft:Felix Leong. I think Australianblackbelt be back again trying to create an article about Leong. I'm asking you about this because of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Felix Leong and also your various other previous interactions with Australianblackbelt. Perhaps you remember enough about the prior attempt to create this article to be able to assess whether this newer one is just the same thing all over again. -- Marchjuly (talk) 09:08, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231123090800","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20231123090800-Draft:Felix_Leong","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231123123300-Marchjuly-20231123090800"]}}-->

Good call. Sock drawer has been blocked up and the draft deleted. Thanks for the heads up. Canterbury Tail talk 12:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231123123300","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231123123300-Marchjuly-20231123090800","replies":["c-Marchjuly-20231123213600-Canterbury_Tail-20231123123300"]}}-->

Thank you for looking into this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:36, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231123213600","author":"Marchjuly","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Marchjuly-20231123213600-Canterbury_Tail-20231123123300","replies":[]}}-->

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I think removing the nationality altogether, like Elon Musk, can solve the problem. 78.131.72.186 (talk) 18:53, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201185300","author":"78.131.72.186","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-78.131.72.186-20231201185300-About_the_DS_Penske_question","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231201190700-78.131.72.186-20231201185300"]}}-->

Well then discuss it, don't edit war over it. You discuss until you reach an agreement, not throw a comment in and edit. Canterbury Tail talk 19:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201190700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231201190700-78.131.72.186-20231201185300","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, thanks for your efforts there, but I've undone your semi-protection of that article. The particular long-term abuser targetting that page, JohnLickor372 (also known as the history section vandal), likes to go back to the same pages over and over, as you've probably noticed. I want to keep this one open as a honeypot of sorts so I can detect more IP addresses used by this vandal. The article's been on my watchlist long before he came to the scene. Graham87 (talk) 05:09, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231203050900","author":"Graham87","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Graham87-20231203050900-Peyto_Lake","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231203114200-Graham87-20231203050900"]}}-->

Understood. No problem. Canterbury Tail talk 11:42, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231203114200","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231203114200-Graham87-20231203050900","replies":[]}}-->

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Seen that you deleted my placed information. You found him not big enough to put him in the list like the way I did, from The Nerherlands, did. Maybe are you more specialized in Irish music and stars but....I would be glad if you see a possibility to at least mention him in the text on another way...His debutalbum sold 6,5 million copies and here he is for sure the most nowadays popular Irish musician. Musicworldvision (talk) 23:57, 20 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231220235700","author":"Musicworldvision","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Musicworldvision-20231220235700-Ireland_Hozier_(Culture,_Music)","replies":[]}}-->

I noticed that you blocked an IP with the comment "LTA Barrie airport disruptive editor". Where can I find more info about this LTA? The Banner talk 13:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225133700","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Banner-20231225133700-Blocked_IP","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231225144000-The_Banner-20231225133700"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

It's all purely in the history of airline and airport articles, not something fully filed. They just keep turning up with various IPs (I believe they had an account at one point) and keep messing with the articles. Usually by tweaking reasonable seeming things that contradict the sources but they also love making non-MOS alterations to infoboxes. Canterbury Tail talk 14:40, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225144000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231225144000-The_Banner-20231225133700","replies":["c-The_Banner-20231225152200-Canterbury_Tail-20231225144000"]}}-->

Mostly Ontario-based (according to Geolocate?) I think I have seen him before. I keep an eye out and start recording the antics on my talkpage. The Banner talk 15:22, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225152200","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-The_Banner-20231225152200-Canterbury_Tail-20231225144000","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20231225153700-The_Banner-20231225152200"],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

They're specifically coming from Barrie this IP. I've no evidence that other area Ontario IPs are that same user, but the Barrie ones definitely are. Canterbury Tail talk 15:37, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225153700","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231225153700-The_Banner-20231225152200","replies":["c-The_Banner-20231225163500-Canterbury_Tail-20231225153700"]}}-->

OK. The Banner talk 16:35, 25 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225163500","author":"The Banner","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-The_Banner-20231225163500-Canterbury_Tail-20231225153700","replies":[],"displayName":"The\u00a0Banner"}}-->

Just wondering if I am permitted to edit Wales templates e.g "Template:Geography of Wales". I assume that I am because it's not a mainspace page but rather a template page?

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As far as I'm aware yes, your ban is only on Mainspace. Some might argue that Templates are part of mainspace since what you edit ends up in Mainspace if the article connection to the template is pre-existing, but that wouldn't technically be correct. However you cannot edit a template to add anything related to Wales in any way and then add it to an article. Some may see it differently, but by a reading of the topic ban that's how I see it. Canterbury Tail talk 19:35, 30 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231230193500","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20231230193500-Titus_Gold-20231230162900","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, Canterbury Tail,

What did you want me to learn from your addition to my Sandbox, where you posted: "(rv don't mess with other editors sandboxes unless they've explicitly said you can)"?

TIA for the explanation. BilCen (talk) 22:44, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240115224400","author":"BilCen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BilCen-20240115224400-sandbox?","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20240116131800-BilCen-20240115224400"]}}-->

I don't need you to learn anything, it was directed at the other editor. The sandbox is in your pages, not in the main encyclopaedia space. It is yours to do with as you need and other editors aren't supposed to edit other user's pages unless asked to do so. You did nothing wrong, there's nothing for you to learn here, it was aimed at Lambjet. Canterbury Tail talk 13:18, 16 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240116131800","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20240116131800-BilCen-20240115224400","replies":["c-BilCen-20240124061800-Canterbury_Tail-20240116131800"]}}-->

Ah, right. Thanks. I appreciate the concern. Not to worry; we are collaborating on the article under construction in that space.

Is it Wikipedian practice to make a world-readable announcement to that effect? I simply ignored the other editor who edited that sandbox page long ago. Deor, who was not invited to collaborate, but nevertheless added something (useful) to the work under construction. BilCen (talk) 06:18, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240124061800","author":"BilCen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BilCen-20240124061800-Canterbury_Tail-20240116131800","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for recognizing what I could not. How do you know when a discussion is made in good faith or not and if it should be removed? I have Wikipedia:WikiProject_Occupational_Safety_and_Health/Discussions on my watchlist, so I see very similar topics come up pretty frequently and would like to know when to delete and when to respond. Or does it just come with experience? Thanks. Reconrabbit 14:34, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240117143400","author":"Reconrabbit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Reconrabbit-20240117143400-Recognition_Talk:Three_Mile_Island_accident","replies":["c-Canterbury_Tail-20240117150000-Reconrabbit-20240117143400"],"displayName":"Recon"}}-->

This is a troll/scaremongering editor that keeps posting on disasters (and some other pages) about why isn't the public being told that X is terrible when evidence says otherwise. I've been following them for a while not, they're just a recurrent troll on many articles. Canterbury Tail talk 15:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240117150000","author":"Canterbury Tail","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Canterbury_Tail-20240117150000-Reconrabbit-20240117143400","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, User:Wywuwuwu is edit waring in Miss Universe 2021, reverting flag removals and other MOS in the infobox. I have warned them but they continue to add back or revert. Could you please help [3]. Sciencefish (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240119171400","author":"Sciencefish","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sciencefish-20240119171400-Miss_Universe_2021_edit_war","replies":[]}}-->

The traffic on the Alien Talk page is very low with very low responses there. And I am not sure that starting an RFC is the best path to take at this time. Your previous edits were to remove chronology from the Plot sections, and also to remove it from the Alien franchise page. Since the footnote option on the Plots is currently even at 2 supports and 2 opposed, then my suggestion is to return it to the franchise page which has no Plot section. The reliable sources I would use are articles from Variety magazine and science.com to add the chronology to the Alien franchise page. Would that work for you? HenryRoan (talk) 16:27, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20240123162700","author":"HenryRoan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-HenryRoan-20240123162700-Alien","replies":[]}}-->

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