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I have fixed the advertisement issue in this draft please have a look

@Simu08: Prior to looking, I do have a slight concern I hope you can help me with. This page was recently deleted and then you decided to recreate it as a draft. You used a disambiguation title which is often done by WP:SOCK accounts to avoid detection of their work. Can you please disclose your connection to the subject and list any other accounts you are using or previously used to edit Wikipedia.--CNMall41 (talk) 19:56, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-29T19:56:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CNMall41-2021-12-29T19:56:00.000Z-Draft:Sheikh_Asif_(entrepreneur)","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you soo much for informing me i am not going to do any kind of edit for this draft . Simu08 🍁 (Talk) — Preceding undated comment added 20:01, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-29T20:01:00.000Z","author":"Simu08","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Simu08-2021-12-29T20:01:00.000Z-Draft:Sheikh_Asif_(entrepreneur)","replies":["c-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:04:00.000Z-Simu08-2021-12-29T20:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for not editing the draft any further at this point. Can you please address the question I asked above about your connection? --CNMall41 (talk) 20:04, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-29T20:04:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:04:00.000Z-Simu08-2021-12-29T20:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:14:00.000Z-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CNMall41: i have submitted the draft for speedy delete ias i am not connect to this draftSimu08 🍁 (Talk)

If you are not connected, why would you stop editing it or request it be deleted? I am sorry for being inquisitive but this looks more like Distancing. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:14, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2021-12-29T20:14:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:14:00.000Z-CNMall41-2021-12-29T20:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

@CNMall41: i don't know all guidelines of Wikipedia i am an 11 month old user before this user page i used my ip to edit Wikipedia i was not aware about WP:SOCK as i found (Sheikh Asif) topic in news as i have made all my old article please try to understand i am not connected to this article and all those accounts who edit this article before

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Thanks for your feedback on the draft article about Ottalie Mark. I deleted the information that doesn't directly relate to her career. If you still think there's too much additional, unrelated, or non-essential information, I'd be happy to edit it out.--Chromalox (talk) 21:51, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-03T21:51:00.000Z","author":"Chromalox","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chromalox-2022-01-03T21:51:00.000Z-Ottalie_Mark","replies":[]}}-->

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If my suggestion wasn’t being disregarded then it should be clear I am not pushing any sort of agenda and that shouldn’t be at all in the question. My politics are not in concern upon the push to implement this term, this term is an ideological term that I want implemented for the purpose of study, not conversion. If Wikipedia truly didn’t have anyone’s politics, this term would be taken much more seriously as to recognize and study a philosophy in political science, it must first be recognized. American Marxism is NOT a term to push any agenda of any kind, those who disregard it for the context, are pushing their own agenda. JSPolitic (talk) 23:14, 6 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-06T23:14:00.000Z","author":"JSPolitic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JSPolitic-2022-01-06T23:14:00.000Z-Information_not_politics.","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-07T01:48:00.000Z-JSPolitic-2022-01-06T23:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

Stop with the nonsense. Stop changing the page on a book to a page about the term. If you feel it deserves inclusion, then follow the rules but don't grandstand on my talk page please. The discussion needs to stay on the talk page for the topic. --CNMall41 (talk) 01:48, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-07T01:48:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-07T01:48:00.000Z-JSPolitic-2022-01-06T23:14:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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yes i know it would work being added to the willis tower page, but i want this to be seperate, knowing that i solely made an article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChiserYT (talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-10T20:46:00.000Z","author":"ChiserYT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ChiserYT-2022-01-10T20:46:00.000Z-Willis_tower_renovations","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-10T21:07:00.000Z-ChiserYT-2022-01-10T20:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ChiserYT:, I understand that. The only issue is that I see this as a WP:CFORK so not sure it would qualify to have its own Wikipedia page. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:07, 10 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-10T21:07:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-10T21:07:00.000Z-ChiserYT-2022-01-10T20:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, CNMall41,

You notified the page creator about your reviewing decision about this draft, which is great. But you didn't post a notice about tagging this page for speedy deletion. It's useful when you use Twinkle to tag pages for deletion because once you set up your Twinkle Preferences to "Notify page creator", then Twinkle will post these notices for you. Please do this in the future so page creators are aware of why the pages they have created might be deleted. Thank you1 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:17, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-17T05:17:00.000Z","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-2022-01-17T05:17:00.000Z-Draft:Lance_Austin_Olsen","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-17T05:25:00.000Z-Liz-2022-01-17T05:17:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Liz:, this is normally done by the AfC script when marking it as a copyvio. There is an option for request deletion in the same action as declining the draft so I don't normally check to make sure the script completed the process but thanks for the heads up. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-17T05:25:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-17T05:25:00.000Z-Liz-2022-01-17T05:17:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

As per the article Draft:Danna Azrieli, I edit and send the article for review, but you write that it look like an advertisement, please advise if there anything else to do to improve the article. Please see for example any other Category:Israeli businesspeople such as Liora Ofer, Shari Arison, Idan Ofer and any other from List of Israelis by net worth. it all look the samr tamplet. if you can review it, it could be helpful. thank you Yossilev (talk) 12:02, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-17T12:02:00.000Z","author":"Yossilev","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Yossilev-2022-01-17T12:02:00.000Z-Draft:Danna_Azrieli","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-18T04:38:00.000Z-Yossilev-2022-01-17T12:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

WP:OTHERSTUFF. There is currently an entire overlinked paragraph that does nothing but talk up about how successful the company is. The draft is a BLP, not a company page. Almost 50 percent of the page talks about her philanthropy when that isn't what the references say she is notable for. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:38, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-18T04:38:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-18T04:38:00.000Z-Yossilev-2022-01-17T12:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Trying to make the page live from many months since it's the company I am working for. Took this as challenge to create one and its much needed to prove my efforts. 10 years old company present in 18 places as of now

Please help Shadysbook (talk) 05:43, 21 January 2022 (UTC) @Shadysbook:, thank you. Let's keep the discussion on your talk page (I have responded there) since we are dealing with an issue of WP:UPE at the moment. If you can look through the information I provided and make the appropriate disclosures we can start to move forward. Thanks. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:45, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-21T05:43:00.000Z","author":"Shadysbook","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shadysbook-2022-01-21T05:43:00.000Z-Draft_Oasis_Fertility","replies":[]}}-->

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I created and just made and published a page Ocoya, Illinois and it doesnt say anything about being a draft, it didnt ask me to submit it for aproval. Its just there. Does this mean its an actual page now that should show up by searching Ocoya, Il and that I actually made a page. More importantly of so, HOW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChiserYT (talk • contribs) 22:48, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-21T22:48:00.000Z","author":"ChiserYT","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ChiserYT-2022-01-21T22:48:00.000Z-Did_i_just_make_a_page_without_any_aproval?","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-22T15:12:00.000Z-ChiserYT-2022-01-21T22:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

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Your reverts are totally incorrect, totally unverifiable, an assumption and is not supported by the reference she posted on twitter. My edit while away from home on an IP was totally correct, i.e. as per reference and included no assumptions. I added edit notes and was specific and corrected the previous assumption error and detailed my change and its verifiability. I find the second revert especially galling, unproductive and worse.The Original Filfi (talk) 02:54, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T02:54:00.000Z","author":"The Original Filfi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-24T02:54:00.000Z-Re_Latto","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-24T05:15:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-24T02:54:00.000Z"]}}-->

"totally incorrect" - fallacy by assertion. "my edit while away from home on an IP" - suggesting an appeal from authority as if the edit is okay if done by a logged in user. Content was reverted again so please see edit summary. WP:ONUS would be on you for inclusion. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:15, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T05:15:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-24T05:15:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-24T02:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-24T05:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

My original revert was removing unsupported Irish-American etc. links which was unsupported by the reference, your revert re-established this false "" 'TOTALLY INCORRECT" "" links, (you now have also 3RR implications to your continued unthinking reverts), you have not supported your revert claim and added the bullshit above that adds nothing. Note: No appeal to authority, just a think about it before reverting, check the edit summary etc. because I know what I am doing and why I am doing it and not a new IP user. You are reverting my correctional reverts, not me adding anything, I do not need to support a revert back to the original reference supplied, so any issues with Twitter has no bearing on any matter here.The Original Filfi (talk) 03:53, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z","author":"The Original Filfi","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-24T05:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T03:57:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z","c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:01:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z"]}}-->

How about this? The whole line was removed based on the source (Twitter) being unreliable. So, the WP:ONUS is on you if you feel like it needs to be back on the page. Please bring a reliable source if you do so.

Now that content is addressed, I will say your civility is horrible. In addition, don't ever threaten me with a sanction. Go to ANI if you don't feel my conduct is appropriate. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:57, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T03:57:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T03:57:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Almost forgot. Since you "know what [you are] doing and why [you are] doing it," maybe check out WP:3RRBLP before you yammer any further about any guidelines I am violating. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T04:01:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:01:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T03:53:00.000Z","replies":["c-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T04:32:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Original post I first reverted [[1]], note assumptions to add American to already listed countries of origin, which I removed, which you then reverted based on IP and nothing else, as you did not check the "additions" there was none, you cannot of checked the reference as otherwise you would of seen my edit matched the reference and was as verifiable as twitter can be, it is also possible you did not read the edit summaries or did not understand them, and then your edit notes stated falsehoods, all of which may of annoyed me a bit, then your offhand 'fallacy by assertion' and 'appeal from authority' notes above, seeming to suggest you can revert without thinking and those comments mean you have remained civil is a thin draw, while I may of violated 3RR to go back to the actual reference, you violated it as well (in both spirit and by a get-around (e.g. remove total content/line) to a twice unverifiable position and once to a lesser encyclopaedic entry, either way an appalling waste of time for us both,The Original Filfi (talk) 04:32, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T04:32:00.000Z","author":"The Original Filfi","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T04:32:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:39:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T04:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

Good grief. I don't really care about your WP:WALLOFTEXT attempting to explain what "I" was thinking or not thinking. Again, if you think I violated the 3RR rule, then report it and stop bitching about it as I no longer tolerate lack of civility on Wikipedia (which is exactly why I responded to your first comment above the way I did). Don't come back here to discuss as I won't discuss with anyone who isn't civil. Take me to ANI and stop making accusations here. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:39, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T04:39:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:39:00.000Z-The_Original_Filfi-2022-01-25T04:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello boss I made some minor edits to the page you critiqued. I added a fixed header, fixed references, and title. Thank you for your feedback. I'd like to know if there's anything else wrong with said article so next time I can follow the wikipedia guidelines. Datcombodoe (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-24T23:09:00.000Z","author":"Datcombodoe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Datcombodoe-2022-01-24T23:09:00.000Z-Hello_I_noticed_my_C.ink_submission_was_denied","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T03:19:00.000Z-Datcombodoe-2022-01-24T23:09:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Datcombodoe:, Thanks for the note. Unfortunately, I am unsure of what you did to the draft as it no longer appears to be an encyclopedia page. I would suggest to look at WP:FIRST for more help. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T03:19:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T03:19:00.000Z-Datcombodoe-2022-01-24T23:09:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I think I may have figured it out! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C.ink_(company) Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Datcombodoe (talk • contribs) 03:59, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T03:59:00.000Z","author":"Datcombodoe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Datcombodoe-2022-01-25T03:59:00.000Z-Hello_I_noticed_my_C.ink_submission_was_denied","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:04:00.000Z-Datcombodoe-2022-01-25T03:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

I would rather have your thoughts on the advice about WP:FIRST as it does not appear (based on the draft) that you read it. Please do as it is a great path forward to submitting the draft. --CNMall41 (talk) 04:04, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-25T04:04:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-25T04:04:00.000Z-Datcombodoe-2022-01-25T03:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, I submitted draft:Iqos back around mid-December and even though it has been positively reviewed by an editor quickly after I posted it I suspect that it has now been buried within the huge AfC backlog.

Back to the draft: I've based my work off the Assessment grading scheme and I'm pretty happy with it (70+ citations, images and so on, made appropriate CoI declaration as well). I posted a request for review on the Wikipedia Brands Talk page about a week ago, hoping that someone would be there to give it the last push, however it looks as though the project is dormant.

I then decided to browse accepted AfCs to see if there was any that had been submitted by CoI editors and/or simply related to companies. This is when I saw that you had moved Anchorage Digital to article mainspace only a couple of days ago and figured I should reach out. Can I therefore ask you to look at my draft? There is another project I would like to start and want to know if it is worth moving forward.

Thank you ever so much for your time, and I hope that you have a lovely day. Aphis Marta (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-26T14:26:00.000Z","author":"Aphis Marta","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Aphis_Marta-2022-01-26T14:26:00.000Z-Helllo","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-01-26T18:02:00.000Z-Aphis_Marta-2022-01-26T14:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Aphis Marta:, thanks for the note. I would suggest starting with @Greenman: since they are the one leaving the note about approval. As there is already a redirect, I think the right thing (assuming someone approves it) is to delete the redirect first so the draft can be moved. Good luck and hope this helps. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:02, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-26T18:02:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-26T18:02:00.000Z-Aphis_Marta-2022-01-26T14:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-Aphis_Marta-2022-01-27T08:52:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-26T18:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks a lot for your quick reply. Sounds like we have a way forward. Cheers, Aphis Marta (talk) 08:52, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-27T08:52:00.000Z","author":"Aphis Marta","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Aphis_Marta-2022-01-27T08:52:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-01-26T18:02:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I submitted this page at the beginning of January and it was rejected at the time. Just a heads up that the Australian Music Centre (official body in Australia that represents Australian composers) actually got in touch about creating an article for Sally Greenaway a few days ago as they are undertaking a drive to add a lot of content on Australian composers so I've forwarded what I did so far on to them. As a result I won't do any further edits and will leave it to them to manage the submission/editing which removes any conflict of interest previously stated on my behalf.

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Thank for for the notification. If you are still in tough with them, please make sure they are aware of WP:PAID and WP:COI. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:43, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-29T16:43:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-01-29T16:43:00.000Z-Australianpeter-2022-01-29T02:47:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, CNMall41. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Waxllium Ladrian".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. If you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:07, 31 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-01-31T17:07:00.000Z","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Liz-2022-01-31T17:07:00.000Z-Your_draft_article,_Draft:Waxllium_Ladrian","replies":[]}}-->

Hi,

Per your comment of rejection for the draft page "Electreon Wireless", there is no connection between the submitter of the draft and the company. The text was reviewed b multiple editors in fact to remove promotional language and to be written in an neutral point of view. All statements are factual and were formulated to adequately present cost, technology, and projects of the company, and underwent an external third-party review to remove any promotional language.

A competitor's page was used for reference as a template for structure and content - the competitor's page (which is published and live) is highly promotional in language and presentation; ElectReon Wireless' draft page took into account the competitor page's language and ensured neutrality in the language of the text :

Competitor page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity

Your comment is therefore unfortunately unfounded and not supported based on the current make-up and presentation of the text of the draft article. We ask that you reconsider the rejection and re-review the text in full, as it is not clear how the current text and presentation of the draft article is promotional. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jacobariel91 (talk • contribs) 16:35, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z","author":"Jacobariel91","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jacobariel91-2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z-Electreon_Wireless_-_Draft_page","replies":["c-Theroadislong-2022-02-06T16:43:00.000Z-Jacobariel91-2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z","c-CNMall41-2022-02-06T18:13:00.000Z-Jacobariel91-2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) Please explain who "we" is, Wikipedia user accounts are strictlt single person use. Theroadislong (talk) 16:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-06T16:43:00.000Z","author":"Theroadislong","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Theroadislong-2022-02-06T16:43:00.000Z-Jacobariel91-2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

There is a lot to unpack here so let me just touch on the major points.

1. My comment is completely inline given the appearance of having a conflict of interest. No accusation was made. Rather, I simply stated to disclose "if" you have one. If you don't have one, then it wouldn't apply. Its that simple. If you feel the comment was out of line in relation to WP:CIVIL, feel free to bring up my conduct at WP:ANI as I always welcome to do so if they feel I am out of line.

2. You stated the competitor page is promotional, yet you based the draft you wrote on that page. I think that would answer your concerns about why the draft is promotional.

3. "external third-party review" is something that a person with a connection that really wants to get the draft published would do. A third party would likely be a freelancer or editing company that sells Wikipedia editing services, raising an even stronger concern that you have a COI.

4. As questioned by Theroadislong above, who is "we?" To me that is a sign that multiple people are working on the draft and likely an account created by a company hired by Electeon Wireless or a group of people from the marketing team at Electreon Wireless.--CNMall41 (talk) 18:13, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-06T18:13:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-06T18:13:00.000Z-Jacobariel91-2022-02-06T16:35:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, a lot to unpack here. Hopefully I can provide some clarification to your claims:

The competitor page is promotional, yes - I used it as an example of what *not* to write. It was the baseline of text to understand as being not appropriate to Wikipedia. I am not sure why it was published or still live - I hope you can apply the same editing standards across all articles. It is important for Wikipedia's accuracy and verifiability.

I have already told you I have no relation with the company - you are entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. I do not have a COI, I have never worked with or been in contact with someone at the company. Again, you can believe whatever you want, but the facts are the facts.

I am an EV enthusiast who wants to make more information available to end users about EVSE charging and it is therefore my desire to get articles about charging station technology companies published - especially those on the forefront of new charging standards. By external third party reviewers, I asked friends who work for local newspapers who have written academic and editorial entry articles in their career. There was no pay, it was done pro-bono, because they too believe in the future of EV charging and want to make information about the matter more available to the public.

"We" is myself and my third party reviewers (friends who helped in removing promotional text and modifying the article text to be more neutral). The fact that you want to assume that "we" is a marketing group hired by Electreon - again, you are entitled to your opinions, but not your own facts. You are free to believe what you want, but I have told you the facts. There is no COI/contact/relation with the submitters/reviewers of this page and the company Electreon Wireless.

Again, you have failed to point out which sections of the text are promotional, and you have accused of me of inaccurate, baseless claims with false assumptions, as well as have written a false report about my account to Wikipedia's Administration. I will need to raise this unfortunately to Wikipedia's Administrations to reconsider your account's privileges and access. (Jacobariel91 (talk) 10:43, 7 February 2022 (UTC))[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-07T10:43:00.000Z","author":"Jacobariel91","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jacobariel91-2022-02-07T10:43:00.000Z-Electreon_Wireless_-_Draft_page","replies":[]}}-->

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Response given. Stay off my talk page as I can no longer WP:AGF with you based on your behavior.

How'd that work out for your?

Hi, CNMall41. Thank you for leaving the constructive comment on my draft for 'ChessKid' - I found it very helpful. I have edited the article to adjust the tone and added more information to the 'History' section, replacing the 'Tournaments & Events' section I removed. I would greatly appreciate any further advice or comments. Lydia LydiaIbrahim (talk) 16:37, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T16:37:00.000Z","author":"LydiaIbrahim","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-LydiaIbrahim-2022-02-10T16:37:00.000Z-Chess_Kid","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-02-10T16:43:00.000Z-LydiaIbrahim-2022-02-10T16:37:00.000Z"]}}-->

@LydiaIbrahim:, thanks for the note. Those were only examples that I gave. There are more within the draft so hopefully you addressed them all. A reviewer should be by in due time to look at it. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:43, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T16:43:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-10T16:43:00.000Z-LydiaIbrahim-2022-02-10T16:37:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

We all make mistakes.Slatersteven (talk) 17:12, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T17:12:00.000Z","author":"Slatersteven","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Slatersteven-2022-02-10T17:12:00.000Z-Replies","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-02-10T18:58:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2022-02-10T17:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yeah. Thanks for understanding. To make the story longer, I looked at the addition and reverts and then went to the talk page to leave a note. I saw that you left a message there recently and my mind just associated the two of you since I saw both in the page edit history, mistaking your username for theirs. All good. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:58, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-10T18:58:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-10T18:58:00.000Z-Slatersteven-2022-02-10T17:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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i have lots of sources that are idenpendent in my pages yet you cited this as an error i contend this there are a number of independed sources ElenaPBLopez (talk) 22:14, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-24T22:14:00.000Z","author":"ElenaPBLopez","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-24T22:14:00.000Z-marambio_wili_page","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-24T22:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

@ElenaPBLopez:, thanks for reaching out. You saying so is a fallacy by assertion unless you have something to support that contention. Can you show me one secondary reliable source that shows she died of cancer based on Roundup? --CNMall41 (talk) 16:32, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-24T22:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:42:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z","c-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:46:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

she did not die of cancer was only diagnosed as it states in the text. I would like to have someone else from the wiki community look at this, how do i do so? ElenaPBLopez (talk) 22:42, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-25T22:42:00.000Z","author":"ElenaPBLopez","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:42:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Sorry. The correct wording should have been "Had a close encounter with death" based on cancer caused by Roundup.

is the issue mainly regarding the relationship between cancer and round up? will it be published if i have a second source for this claim? baban ElenaPBLopez (talk) 22:46, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-25T22:46:00.000Z","author":"ElenaPBLopez","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:46:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-02-25T16:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-02-26T15:51:00.000Z-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

The main issues are the ones outlined by the previous reviewing editor. I simply agreed with their assessment after reading the draft. So far two people have reviewed it but you are welcome to have another review. Or, you are more than welcome to address the reviewers original comments and resubmit once those issues are addressed. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-26T15:51:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-26T15:51:00.000Z-ElenaPBLopez-2022-02-25T22:46:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, nice to meet you! You made a one sentence comment in declining this article - “coverage”. This guy is a historical figure, he is in history books and has edited prominent ones, which as you know are not on the internet as a cursory source. I think you rely completely on internet sources, it becomes improbable to really know something about most subjects - most knowledge has not resided on the internet for most of human history and also since the history of the printing press. I am happy to direct you to other actual sources, but I already have, for one. He is among colleagues who are major American historical figures, when they were living. Gena was very close to Cage, he literally edited the book on him for his publisher, Edition Peters. Gena won an incredibly distinguished prize from the French gov’t and his music and writings are *archived* at a major NY university for music for their importance. I find it incredible - and I am sorry - to reject an article or decline temporarily with next no comment whatsoever other than what you wrote - a one sentence remark. What are my credentials? I am under contract with Oxford University Press writing about American music. It is astounding to me that you have nothing of substance to say and little to recommend. So, please, make some suggestions that are worthy of Wikipedia. I have tried to be civil about this with editor, but this process with this figure astounds me. His music and writings are literally archived at a national university for their importance, he has worked with and written about some of the most famous and prominent composers in the 20th century in America (John Cage and Morton Feldman) and has published numerous articles various journals and books, and won major prizes. How can this article be improved for Wikipedia? Do you have actual thoughts about it? Or that you “can’t find coverage” - typing a name into a search engine is hardly research to confirm notability and especially spending less than an hour with the information you find. So, please, make suggestions with authority. It’s an embarrassment for Wikipedia. This guy has received some of the highest honors an American musician can have with major publications, archived writings and music, numerous awards and record releases on prominent modern classical music labels. He is already going to be around in library archives and among prestigious award winners, with his work already preserved for posterity among other preserved records in the world, and the reflection on Wikipedia is a poor one. 2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58 (talk) 04:27, 26 February 2022 (UTC)2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58 (talk)2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58 (talk) 04:17, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-26T04:27:00.000Z","author":"2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58-2022-02-26T04:27:00.000Z-Peter_Gena_draft","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-02-26T15:45:00.000Z-2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58-2022-02-26T04:27:00.000Z"]}}-->

Normally I would be happy to discuss but I no longer toleration incivility on Wikipedia. This is a collaboration environment, not a place for people to throw darts and grandstand. As such, you will need to find help elsewhere. You can go to the AfC help desk (link already on your talk page). Also, please familiarize yourself with WP:PAID. Based on your disclosure above, you will need to take the appropriate route of disclosures for Wikipedia. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-26T15:45:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-02-26T15:45:00.000Z-2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58-2022-02-26T04:27:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Note: Let the permanent record show that coverage of sources document The New York Times; the library archives of the State University of New York State, Buffalo; the documentation of a major prize from the country of France in multiple sources; the podcast with a nationally recognized and celebrated American interviewer and cultural figure Studs Terkel (see Wikipedia); the Chicago Reader article by the celebrated American music history Kyle Gann (see Wikipedia), the artist page of the highly prized and internationally acknowledged experimental music label Lovely Music, and documentation of other relevant content for coverage. Whether or not this reply is deleted, it is documented to share with Wikipedia editors for detailed coverage of the reason stated by this editor. The “close connection” - I do not know how to reply to that, yes, I know this person, yes, they are a historic figure. That is not the reason given by this editor, nonetheless, it is not disqualifying, the context is American music history, not personal gain or support. I am not here to decide that relevance.2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58 (talk) 17:05, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-02-26T17:05:00.000Z","author":"2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-2601:18E:8201:7B50:E5F6:4CB2:664A:BA58-2022-02-26T17:05:00.000Z-Peter_Gena_draft","replies":[]}}-->

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see links bellow that confirm round up link to cancer, is this the only issue? http://liu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2%3A1253853&dswid=-7146

https://books.google.se/books?id=JrxNEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA189&lpg=PA189&dq=cancer+nina+lykke+camila&source=bl&ots=LrBW1eIOaD&sig=ACfU3U0Gkf1Axk4aFwTeueySmATaicabeA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjJlrXF46_2AhXeCRAIHfCoD2kQ6AF6BAgWEAM#v=onepage&q=cancer%20nina%20lykke%20camila&f=false

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@ElenaPBLopez:, "is this the only issue?" - No. As stated in the previous thread, you will need to address the concerns raised by all editors who reviewed the draft. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-06T18:55:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-06T18:55:00.000Z-ElenaPBLopez-2022-03-06T07:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello! thank you for your good faith feedback on the article. Following your feedback I removed the notable uses section from the article to accomodate a more neutral point of view. Please note I added it in the first place thinking it provides significant coverage of materials which are not produced by the creator of the subject being discussed, therefore increasing its value but I learn from editors like you something new every day! Now that its more neutral, and since you are a respected editor, I kindly ask you to reconsider this article for quick acceptance in good faith. Thank you so much! JohnMcClaneSr (talk) 14:45, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-08T14:45:00.000Z","author":"JohnMcClaneSr","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T14:45:00.000Z-Draft:_Qlone","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-08T20:42:00.000Z-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T14:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see you have already resubmitted the draft so I will allow another reviewer to take a look. Cheers! --CNMall41 (talk) 20:42, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-08T20:42:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-08T20:42:00.000Z-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T14:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T21:03:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-08T20:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for the prompt reponse but may I kindly ask why not accept it now? It was extensively reviewed for many months and with each review I learned a lot and improved it to make sure it reaches an excellent shape with high quality sources and a neutral point of view. In very good faith I kindly ask that you consider accepting it now and moving it to the article space. I appreciate your understanding and support for new editors such as myself. Thank you so much! JohnMcClaneSr (talk) 21:03, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-08T21:03:00.000Z","author":"JohnMcClaneSr","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T21:03:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-08T20:42:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-08T21:06:00.000Z-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T21:03:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sure. Thanks for asking. I will leave it to another reviewer since it was created and submitted (and rejected) six times. It is a paid editing piece and I am not inclined to work at the pace of the company or someone they hired to create it. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:06, 8 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-08T21:06:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-08T21:06:00.000Z-JohnMcClaneSr-2022-03-08T21:03:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I removed the social media sources from the draft. Just wondering, how else should I cite things like the Telfar Bag Security commercial if it was only posted to social media and not written about in the press? Also, what other sentences of my draft need citations? Thank you!Spinachtm (talk) 04:30, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-09T04:30:00.000Z","author":"Spinachtm","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Spinachtm-2022-03-09T04:30:00.000Z-Teezoo_Touchdown_draft","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-09T04:35:00.000Z-Spinachtm-2022-03-09T04:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

Everything in a WP:BLP should be sourced. How else do we verify if what being said is accurate without having a source to verify it from? I would go through and remove anything you cannot find a source for. As far as citing the commercial, it would WP:OR to cite the actual commercial. We need a secondary source that talks about it. I would advise to keep things simple and remove any of the WP:FANCRUFT such as quotes and promotional tone.--CNMall41 (talk) 04:35, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-09T04:35:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-09T04:35:00.000Z-Spinachtm-2022-03-09T04:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hey, thanks so much for your feedback on the article. I've amended as per your suggestions and really appreciate your comments. I've added some comments on the talk page too. Theronswanson (talk) 10:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-10T10:59:00.000Z","author":"Theronswanson","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Theronswanson-2022-03-10T10:59:00.000Z-Draft:Peter_Bond","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-10T15:59:00.000Z-Theronswanson-2022-03-10T10:59:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Theronswanson:, thanks. I left a comment on the talk page. You can ping me there if you need further. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:59, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-10T15:59:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-10T15:59:00.000Z-Theronswanson-2022-03-10T10:59:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, thanks for your helpful comments and links in your January rejection of my draft on this subject. I have found a number of secondary references which I hope will enable you to consider the revision - just resubmitted - as able to be published Kind regards, Phil Rowe — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhilRowe (talk • contribs) 15:32, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-23T15:32:00.000Z","author":"PhilRowe","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PhilRowe-2022-03-23T15:32:00.000Z-Martin_Leadbetter_-_Draft","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-23T17:56:00.000Z-PhilRowe-2022-03-23T15:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

@PhilRowe:, which references talk "about" him in-depth?--CNMall41 (talk) 17:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-23T17:56:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-23T17:56:00.000Z-PhilRowe-2022-03-23T15:32:00.000Z","replies":["c-PhilRowe-2022-03-26T14:22:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-23T17:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thanks for the question which is helpful. I'll revisit sources with this in mind. PhilRowe (talk) 14:22, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-26T14:22:00.000Z","author":"PhilRowe","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PhilRowe-2022-03-26T14:22:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-23T17:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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I think I am using a reputable source. What is your objection? (I shall watch this page for your reply.) --PaulinSaudi (talk) 15:52, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-29T15:52:00.000Z","author":"PaulinSaudi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-PaulinSaudi-2022-03-29T15:52:00.000Z-Your_revisions_of_my_\"Still_in_Russia\"_edits","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-PaulinSaudi-2022-03-29T15:52:00.000Z"]}}-->

There are a few things. First, Wikipedia is not a place to right great wrongs. We don't simply publish information from original research. Second, if there is a reliable secondary source available, per WP:ONUS I don't see a reason to inclusion of this information on any page as it is simply an attempt to publicly shame companies because we don't agree with them (and for the record, I don't agree as I think they all should pull out of Russia). Finally, it is WP:Editorializing and [{WP:NOTNEWS]]. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:57, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-29T15:57:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-29T15:57:00.000Z-PaulinSaudi-2022-03-29T15:52:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaulinSaudi-2022-03-29T21:04:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-29T15:57:00.000Z"]}}-->

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I am sorry that you feel I am not assuming good faith. Never my intention in Wikipedia as I hate lack of civility myself. In this case, I reverted your edits, you asked for my objection, and I provided policy based reasons why I feel it shouldn't be included. I am not sure how that is not assuming good faith but would invite you to report me if you truly feel my reasoning is such.--CNMall41 (talk) 14:04, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-03-30T14:04:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-03-30T14:04:00.000Z-PaulinSaudi-2022-03-29T21:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-PaulinSaudi-2022-04-03T11:58:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-30T14:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

You mentioned I made my edits because, I was "attempt(ing) to publicly shame companies because we don't agree with ..." This is not an assumption of good faith. These tiny companies rarely come to public notice. There is little information available on them. When we find some we probably ought to publish it. PaulinSaudi (talk) 11:58, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-03T11:58:00.000Z","author":"PaulinSaudi","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-PaulinSaudi-2022-04-03T11:58:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-03-30T14:04:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for the notice. I would disagree about it not being notable. AfD would probably be the best location. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T20:05:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:05:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T19:57:00.000Z","replies":["c-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:05:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have deep concerns based on the fact that 80% of the sources are totally unreliable, outside of the few that are left, it's minimal, you're obviously welcome to remove the tag but I was surprised to see an NPP and AFC reviewer mark as reviewed and accept the same article that was chock full of, quite frankly, terrible BLP sources. CUPIDICAE💕 20:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Praxidicae","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:05:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:09:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:11:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:12:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z"],"displayName":"CUPIDICAE\ud83d\udc95"}}-->

My approval was based more on a WP:BEFORE than the actual references within. I rarely find an AfC submission that has completely acceptable references. I always do a quick before and if it isn't overly promotional I send it through to avoid the back and forth submissions in the future. I probably could have tagged it with better references needed (which I often do but failed to do on this occasion). --CNMall41 (talk) 20:09, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T20:09:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:09:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Just like the tags you just left. Thanks for that. I can't say I'm perfect but I do give submissions a thorough overview and don't just blanket approve them. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T20:11:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:11:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And, I am never offended if someone wants to take an approval to AfD. Feel free to do so. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-04T20:12:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-04T20:12:00.000Z-Praxidicae-2022-04-04T20:06:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. My name is Zé. I've been trying to post a new article on Wiki, as a commission from a client (a fact that I've disclosed on the page, according to wiki regulations) and unfortunately you declined it yesterday. I'm reaching out to see if you can help me figure out a way to solve the issues you pointed out, in order to eventually improve the article so I can get it approved. The tricky thing here is that even though you ask for more references I've already added every single reliable/independent/secondary reference that exists. Given that this is an EN translation of a PT article (https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banco_Finantia), I even confirmed every reference on the PT article and everything matches, so I can understand how the PT article was approved and this EN apparently isn't making the cut. If you could please give me some tips on how to solve these issues i'de really appreciate it! Hope to hear back from you soon. Cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.63.192.121 (talk) 15:15, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-08T15:15:00.000Z","author":"94.63.192.121","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.63.192.121-2022-04-08T15:15:00.000Z-Submission_Decline_-_further_info","replies":["c-195.245.160.206-2022-04-26T09:12:00.000Z-94.63.192.121-2022-04-08T15:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Hi CNMall41, good morning. Any news on my previous message? Hope to hear back from you soon. Thanks, cheers. 195.245.160.206 (talk) 09:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-26T09:12:00.000Z","author":"195.245.160.206","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-195.245.160.206-2022-04-26T09:12:00.000Z-94.63.192.121-2022-04-08T15:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-29T23:49:00.000Z-195.245.160.206-2022-04-26T09:12:00.000Z"]}}-->

I believe the draft you are referring to is Draft:Finantia Bank and this would be your COI disclosure. Translations are not inherently notable. Different projects have different requirements for notability. Please see the link I provided at WP:ORGCRIT. If there are sources that meet this criteria, go ahead and add them to the translated draft and I will have another look. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:49, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-29T23:49:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-29T23:49:00.000Z-195.245.160.206-2022-04-26T09:12:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, I'm not trying to cause any trouble. Just remember this event taking place and remember how much attention it got at the time. If you don't think the semi-controversy should be on the Siskind page that's fine. Just trying to do my part. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thenewsoftoday (talk • contribs) 19:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","author":"Thenewsoftoday","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z-Amy_Siskind","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-12T20:58:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","c-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Thenewsoftoday:, thanks for the message. Not saying you are trying to cause problems so I apologize if you felt that way. This article is one of many that people have attempted to use Tweets and editorializing to try to discredit a person because they don't like the subject. It comes down to the guidelines I cited in the edit summary as well as WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. In Wikipedia, is best to first use reliable sources, then say what the reference says without putting it into our own words or understanding, and also make sure that it can be included based on the weight or lasting effect of what is being said. So sorry if the edit summary was discouraging. Happy editing and thanks for contributing. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-12T20:58:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-12T20:58:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Another example is this edit that you made. It editorializes what has already been said. The first part of that paragraph already says "the special committee voted not to recommend Ravnsborg's impeachment." There is no need to say "despite" with what you wrote as it is also a MOS:WEASEL term. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:11, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-12T19:23:00.000Z","replies":["c-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-13T11:44:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z","c-Thenewsoftoday-2022-06-08T18:49:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Awesome. Thanks for the advice. I'm also trying to gather more information to add to the Krassenstein page. What do you feel about some of the content there? I've added a lot of it but there is a lot that came from others. For exampled the part at the bottom about "rape sack" because twitter users claimed a burlap sack in their book looked like a "rape sack." Also the section at the bottom that says "The articles were meant to discredit Reade's allegation". A writer for the Daily Dot said that. Should that be in the article or not? Also there is a lot in there about their Twitter suspension but it's hard to really draw a line between writer opinion and facts. If you have time to review the article that would be great. If not, I understand you are probably busy. The article is relatively new and I feel could use some more overall guidance. There is a lot from The Daily Dot mostly what I feel are opinionated pieces but at the same time a large portion of the community also had those opinions. Feel free to edit what you feel should be edited there. Thenewsoftoday (talk) 11:44, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-13T11:44:00.000Z","author":"Thenewsoftoday","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-13T11:44:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-18T16:10:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-13T11:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have never heard of either of these people. It appears the page was recently created which means that not many editors have reviewed but WP:THEREISNODEADLINE so I am sure others will take interest in appropriate time. It isn't really a topic that interests me so I won't opine. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-18T16:10:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-18T16:10:00.000Z-Thenewsoftoday-2022-04-13T11:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

So do you suggest not using any discussion related to tweets when updating articles about an individual? It's just confusing since you see so much concerning tweets on some biographies but others the editors don't believe twitter content is relevant. If it's their own words and it's being published in a known source, where do you draw the line of what tweets are and are not appropriate? Thenewsoftoday (talk) 18:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-08T18:49:00.000Z","author":"Thenewsoftoday","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Thenewsoftoday-2022-06-08T18:49:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-12T21:11:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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• Ishraq Imran Nasif (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Emran Hossain (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

For this article to be published, Wikipedia will need an in-depth biography of him which includes his career/education from a reliable source. Is that right?

If some of the sections or sub sections of this article is deleted, will it meet Wikipedia's standards to be published? and if so, which sections should be deleted? Thank you.

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@Ishraq Imran Nasif:. Let me answer your second question first. It does not have to do with deleting information as too much information never makes something non-notable. So, deleting sections will not make the subject notable for Wikipedia. Now for the first question. Wikipedia requires significant coverage in reliable sources to show notability. The coverage must also be in-depth which means it focuses on the subject and not just a mention or bio. The main issue with the current draft is that the references used are mainly of the person's death. Is he notable for his death or for his work during his lifetime? If he is notable for his work during his lifetime, then there would be significant coverage during that time which talks about it. Those are the references we need to see. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-21T20:45:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T17:25:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z","c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:11:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

Understood. There is a new book being published which includes few people's biography. It's in Bengali language and will be published online too. This book will include an in-depth biography of him too. Would that source be reliable enough according to the Wikipedia standard? Ishraq Imran Nasif (talk) 17:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Ishraq Imran Nasif","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T17:25:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:10:00.000Z-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T17:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Ishraq Imran Nasif:, so you are aware of an upcoming book which is great. However, how are we to know if it is sufficient without seeing the content of the book? Have you seen the content? What is your connection to the subject of the draft?

The author of the book contacted me for his information. Most of his notable work and achievements are from pre-2010 period. Thus, I have a lot of sources in hardcopy but very few online. However, once the book is published, I'll attach the reference with the draft and re-submit. And then the reviewer can check whether the content is sufficient and up to the standard. Ishraq Imran Nasif (talk) 18:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T18:10:00.000Z","author":"Ishraq Imran Nasif","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:10:00.000Z-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T17:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

And the subject of the draft is my father. Ishraq Imran Nasif (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T18:11:00.000Z","author":"Ishraq Imran Nasif","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:11:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T15:55:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-25T18:13:00.000Z-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:11:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ah okay. Thanks for the explanation. Hopefully the content can be used to show notability for Wikipedia. In the meantime, if you are not already aware, please make sure to read WP:COI and make the appropriate disclosure. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:13, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T18:13:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-25T18:13:00.000Z-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T18:11:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T19:21:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T18:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

I was not aware. Thank you for the information. Ishraq Imran Nasif (talk) 19:21, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T19:21:00.000Z","author":"Ishraq Imran Nasif","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Ishraq_Imran_Nasif-2022-04-25T19:21:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-04-25T18:13:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I'm trying to help a newbie (User:Carletteyt) understand the difference between bare links and citation and they got impatient while my dogs were keeping me busy. Thanks again for kind way you told them no. BusterD (talk) 17:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T17:48:00.000Z","author":"BusterD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BusterD-2022-04-25T17:48:00.000Z-Thanks_for_your_AfC_work","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-04-25T17:54:00.000Z-BusterD-2022-04-25T17:48:00.000Z"]}}-->

Not sure which one but hopefully it helped. Cheers! --CNMall41 (talk) 17:54, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-04-25T17:54:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-04-25T17:54:00.000Z-BusterD-2022-04-25T17:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

You deserve it

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I have not edited Wikipedia prior to this. George had sought assistance from someone prior who added what they thought was accurate for a Wikipedia article. The article is now labeled as being created by a paid editor so I am assuming they did not follow the correct format for editing or failed to disclose their connection. I offered to assist him in the hopes of getting the article corrected, while at the same time avoiding any violations. For the current draft I used a two step process. First, I created a draft that had all factual information about George and links to some supporting references. I then wound up paying a freelancer to review who made a lot of changes and formatted it for Wikipedia. The draft that is present now is well beyond what I created originally and prior to this submission. I disclosed my connection with him while in actuality I paid someone else to assist me with editing a proposed draft so not sure how that works. I am still a little confused on how to make a request to edit the article. The initial attempt at submission looks like it made an editor mad as they thought I was trying to create duplicate entries. I want to tread lightly because all I would like is for the edits to be considered for addition into his article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Havenbase (talk • contribs) 19:45, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-01T19:45:00.000Z","author":"Havenbase","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Havenbase-2022-05-01T19:45:00.000Z-COI_Edit_Requests","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-05-02T05:55:00.000Z-Havenbase-2022-05-01T19:45:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for your candor. I will take a closer look at the draft when I get a chance and implement what can we implemented. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:55, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-02T05:55:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-05-02T05:55:00.000Z-Havenbase-2022-05-01T19:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for reviewing my article submission on the Australian photographer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Andrew_Rovenko.

I just wanted to address your comments:

1) It seems like Rocketgirl is what is notable since it is what is described in-depth in the majority of the sources.

The majority of the sources cover the project in the context of photographer's work, with this being their personal work. I have researched many wikipedia articles dedicated to Australian artists (Photographers/Painers/Musicians) and in most cases the work that led them to prominence is part of the bio page rather than a dedicated article.

I am unsure if the Nokia Photographer of the Year Award would qualify as a major award for notability on Wikipedia.

The award is by the Australian Photography Magazine, one of the oldest standing and reputable photography publications in Australia (founded in 1950s), with Nokia being a major sponsor of the prize. The mention of the award can be removed if it's an issue, but it doesn't affect notability of the photographer referenced in wide variety of independent newsworthy international publications.

Thanks again for your comments, hope this provides a bit more context on the submission — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jervisbay94 (talk • contribs) 00:26, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-18T00:26:00.000Z","author":"Jervisbay94","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-18T00:26:00.000Z-Article_Review_Comment_on_Andrew_Rovenko","replies":["c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-20T12:43:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-18T00:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CNMall41 I am not sure if you saw my comment above, but I'd really appreciate a bit of guidance, since my article wasn't declined but also not approved by someone who holds this permission and have reviewed its content and the sources.

Being a relatively new contributor it's important for me to understand what might be still missing there, as I'm trying to learn from my experience and did my best to ensure that the subject I'm covering complies with the Wikipedia requirements and guidelines before putting my effort into it.

I have been using the following guide to determine the notability Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals, and the subject of my article being a photographer fits the criteria #3.

The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series)

This probably explains why for the majority of Photographers on Wikipedia their work is mentioned as part of the bio and rarely as a standalone article.

I'd really appreciate some additional feedback from you being an experienced editor who already reviewed my contribution, as with the photographer's work being the primary subject of widespread coverage by well known and reputable independent publications worldwide, I am really not sure what else could I have missed based on the official Wikipedia guidelines.

Thank you Jervisbay94 (talk) 12:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-20T12:43:00.000Z","author":"Jervisbay94","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-20T12:43:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-18T00:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-05-23T19:36:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-20T12:43:00.000Z"]}}-->

I'm sorry for the delayed response but I don't edit Wikipedia every day. What is your connection to the subject of the draft? You say you are a new contributor who wants to understand the process but you have a total of 25 edits and they all seem to be article submissions. Do any of your edits fall under WP:COI or WP:PAID? If so, please make the appropriate disclosure. As far as the comment I left, that is for other reviewers. In my opinion the topic does not meet notability guidelines but instead of simply declining the submission I left the comment. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:36, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-23T19:36:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-05-23T19:36:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-20T12:43:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T00:21:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-23T19:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Thank you for your response. I have discovered the work of the subject of my draft on the Australian news last year, and have been following it since, witnessing how it gained a significant coverage locally and worldwide over a sustained period of time. I don't believe that being an admirer of someone's work constitutes to a WP:COI and I'm not getting any money or inducements from my contributions.

I only have two article submissions, with this being the second one. I tried to learn from the my first submission and made sure that I had enough major independent sources and that my subject fitted the notability guidelines for Photographers prior to my submission (as mentioned above).

My other edits are additions to the existing photography related articles, as this is the area of my interest and I didn't experience any issues with those edits, so getting my first article to be published is the current challenge.

I do appreciate the comments that you left for the other editors, and that's why I want to understand the objective reasons behind your considerations. I.e. what specifically might make you questions the notability of my subject under criteria 3) of Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Creative professionals so that I can address it appropriately (and of course Wikipedia:AGF)

Regards Jervisbay94 (talk) 00:21, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-24T00:21:00.000Z","author":"Jervisbay94","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T00:21:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-23T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-05-24T05:46:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T00:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

Are you asking that I assume good faith? Just want to clarify prior to a response. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:46, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-24T05:46:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-05-24T05:46:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T00:21:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T13:15:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-24T05:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

I meant that I trust that your comments were made in good faith since you haven't declined the article outright, which is why it's important for me to get more details about your considerations. Thank you. Jervisbay94 (talk) 13:15, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-24T13:15:00.000Z","author":"Jervisbay94","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T13:15:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-24T05:46:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-05-24T14:56:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T13:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

I already answered your question about the comment. You will need to find help elsewhere. --CNMall41 (talk) 14:56, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-24T14:56:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-05-24T14:56:00.000Z-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T13:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-24T14:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

@CNMall41 I see, thank you for your time. Jervisbay94 (talk) 23:40, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-05-24T23:40:00.000Z","author":"Jervisbay94","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Jervisbay94-2022-05-24T23:40:00.000Z-CNMall41-2022-05-24T14:56:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, CNMall41! Thank you for reviewing the draft about OneCharge. You noted that the company doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT and I'd like to discuss it. Here is from the policy:

Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth. Be completely independent of the article subject. Meet the standard for being a reliable source. Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability

• I found for at least 3 articles (there is a rule of 3 sources) that meet the requirement:
• https://www.paperadvance.com/mills-technologies/technologies/li-ion-batteries-are-making-a-roar.html
• https://www.forkliftrevolution.net/the-li-ion-boost-in-food-and-beverage/
• https://www.forkliftaction.com/news/newsdisplay.aspx?nwid=24833

They are all independent, secondary and cover the subject of the company's activity in-depth. Also, if you check the company's scaling in the US, it shows that it is one of the major suppliers of lithium batteries in the US. Please, let me know, what you think. --Oraleris (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-09T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Oraleris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Oraleris-2022-06-09T21:32:00.000Z-OneCharge","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-06-13T17:18:00.000Z-Oraleris-2022-06-09T21:32:00.000Z"]}}-->

I am not sure how the company's "scaling in the US" is inline with any notability guideline in Wikipedia. Also, if you feel those references cited above (or the industry publication you added prior to submitting again) meets ORGCRIT, then you do not have a firm understanding of the requirement. Prior to moving forward with anything further, I need to ask that you review WP:COI and [{WP:PAID]] and make the appropriate disclosures if applicable. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:18, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-13T17:18:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-06-13T17:18:00.000Z-Oraleris-2022-06-09T21:32:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hello CNMall41. I found your work in the Edit History of Clément Cycles.

Wikidata has only two pages connected : English (Clément Cycles) and French (fr: Cycles Clément). But there are also pages in German and Dutch that are linked via (de: Clément & Cie and nl: Clément).

The two wikidata sets need to be merged, but I can't do it (flakey brain and internet connection) so I am hoping that you can. Many thanks in advance. Regards. Chienlit (talk) 14:04, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-16T14:04:00.000Z","author":"Chienlit","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:04:00.000Z-Wikidata_interlink_for_Cl\u00e9ment_Cycles,_a_defunct_French_cycle_manufacturer_Sugg","replies":["c-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:25:00.000Z-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:04:00.000Z"]}}-->

Panic over, I managed to do it. Thanks anyway. Sorry to trouble you. Chienlit (talk) 14:25, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-16T14:25:00.000Z","author":"Chienlit","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:25:00.000Z-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:04:00.000Z","replies":["c-CNMall41-2022-06-16T21:17:00.000Z-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Chienlit:. Haha. never panic. I just double checked and looks good. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:17, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-06-16T21:17:00.000Z","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CNMall41-2022-06-16T21:17:00.000Z-Chienlit-2022-06-16T14:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Just a head's up that this draft is due to be deleted later unless you make some edits to the page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:07, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726040700","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Liz-20220726040700-FireflyBot-2022-06-28T14:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-BD2412-20220726041500-Liz-20220726040700"]}}-->

(talk page stalker) @Liz: it's a workable disambiguation page, it should just be moved to mainspace. BD2412 T 04:15, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726041500","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-BD2412-20220726041500-Liz-20220726040700","replies":["c-Liz-20220726064500-BD2412-20220726041500"]}}-->

Thanks for doing some work on the draft, BD2412. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:45, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726064500","author":"Liz","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Liz-20220726064500-BD2412-20220726041500","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220726213700-Liz-20220726064500"]}}-->

@BD2412:, @Liz:, thanks to both of you. I began to create it but started to get confused with a similar disambiguation so just gave up on trying to figure it out. Deletion is absolutely fine. Thanks for the heads up. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:37, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726213700","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220726213700-Liz-20220726064500","replies":["c-BD2412-20220726215400-CNMall41-20220726213700"]}}-->

I'm going to go ahead and merge/redirect this Riyadh (disambiguation). BD2412 T 21:54, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726215400","author":"BD2412","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-BD2412-20220726215400-CNMall41-20220726213700","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220726215700-BD2412-20220726215400"]}}-->

That sounds useful. Thanks. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:57, 26 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220726215700","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220726215700-BD2412-20220726215400","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi CNMall41. I saw that you edit biographical pages about people sometimes and was hoping you might be willing to collaborate on David Baszucki. I think the page has a lot of "undue weight" and promotionalism problems. I have disclosed a COI and requested some trims here and have some other changes that I'd love to work with someone on. Are you willing to collaborate with me on this? Sspielman1 (talk) 21:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2022-07-06T21:17:00.000Z","author":"Sspielman1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sspielman1-2022-07-06T21:17:00.000Z-Support_with_edits_to_biographical_page","replies":[]}}-->

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I just wanted to double check that whilst the page about the company BullionVault https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BullionVault was rejected due to a lack of Notability, that the copy on the page was of a suitably short and neutral tone. If there were any elements of the copy that you thought were not suitably neutral what were they. Thank you. Tennisstick (talk) 09:40, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220727094000","author":"Tennisstick","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tennisstick-20220727094000-Draft:BullionVault","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220727185000-Tennisstick-20220727094000"]}}-->

A draft that is "short" does not necessarily mean that it doesn't read promotional in tone. With that in mind, nothing else would really matter if the topic isn't notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:50, 27 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220727185000","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220727185000-Tennisstick-20220727094000","replies":["c-Tennisstick-20220728090800-CNMall41-20220727185000"]}}-->

I'd like to understand how notability is defined or measured. BullionVault have won 3 Queen's Awards for Enterprise which in itself is a notable achievement.

The Queen's Awards for Enterprise is an awards programme for British businesses and other organizations who excel at international trade, innovation, sustainable development or promoting opportunity (through social mobility). They are the highest official UK awards for British businesses. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen%27s_Awards_for_Enterprise

I continue to be perplexed by the question of notability as one of our UK competitors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BullionByPost has a managed to have a page approved which is clearly promotional whilst they are not very notable. Thank you for your help and clarification. Tennisstick (talk) 09:08, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220728090800","author":"Tennisstick","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tennisstick-20220728090800-CNMall41-20220727185000","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220728163900-Tennisstick-20220728090800"]}}-->

Unfortunately I do not offer much help to paid editors. The relevant guidelines are WP:OSE, WP:ORGCRIT, and WP:NCORP. You will need to read those and ask specific questions if you would like assistance. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:39, 28 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220728163900","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220728163900-Tennisstick-20220728090800","replies":[]}}-->

You've deleted content three times without adequate explanation in your edit comments, and in your last reversion you didn't expand on the mentioned problems with your prior reversion. Why? 81.187.88.97 (talk) 00:55, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220731005500","author":"81.187.88.97","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-81.187.88.97-20220731005500-TerraCycle_content_deletion","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220731005700-81.187.88.97-20220731005500"]}}-->

If you read the policies I cited, you would know why. If you were not an WP:SPA using Wikipedia to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS you would understand why. Now stay off my talk page. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:57, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220731005700","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220731005700-81.187.88.97-20220731005500","replies":["c-81.187.88.97-20220731094000-CNMall41-20220731005700"]}}-->

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who are you to decide when = is redundant or not, it reminds the reader that the entry has finished in the same place as another entry if they sort the results by anything other than finishing place Bielzebub1981 (talk) 03:26, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply][reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220802032600","author":"Bielzebub1981","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bielzebub1981-20220802032600-Eurovision_(=_sign_redundant_?)","replies":["c-Sims2aholic8-20220802072100-Bielzebub1981-20220802032600","c-CNMall41-20220802224200-Bielzebub1981-20220802032600"]}}-->

@Bielzebub1981: Firstly, I don't get to decide anything on here, but neither does anyone else (including you). Why is it important to call out that two or more entries gained the same place? I felt that these additions did not add value to the articles, made the tables look ugly, and focussed too much on one aspect of the placings that isn't all that important and doesn't aid the reader in many ways. Just because one country gained a certain placing is immaterial to another country gaining the same placing. I also believe that adding equal signs here creates a link between the two countries that doesn't exist; the two (or more) countries didn't field entries together, their performances and results weren't linked, and I feel that someone reading the article that isn't familiar with the subject could jump to conclusions in that way. It seems unlikely yes, but it's possible, and we have to make sure our articles are accessible by everyone. Addionally, I'd invite you to read into the civility policy, and perhaps to reflect on how you open threads with other users that you have previously not interacted with before, as I found your original statement extremely confrontational. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 07:21, 2 August 2022 (UTC) Bielzebub1981 (talk) 22:38, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220802072100","author":"Sims2aholic8","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Sims2aholic8-20220802072100-Bielzebub1981-20220802032600","replies":[]}}-->

@Bielzebub1981:, Huh? What are you even talking about??--CNMall41 (talk) 22:42, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220802224200","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220802224200-Bielzebub1981-20220802032600","replies":["c-Bielzebub1981-20220802224700-CNMall41-20220802224200"]}}-->

i added the = sign to entries who finished in the same place with points for Eurovision competition entries. if 2 countries finished in same place for example i would change from 9 to 9=

sims2aholic decided to revert EVERY ONE of my changes to just a number claiming the = was redundant and would confuse people reading the page Bielzebub1981 (talk) 22:47, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220802224700","author":"Bielzebub1981","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Bielzebub1981-20220802224700-CNMall41-20220802224200","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220802225100-Bielzebub1981-20220802224700"]}}-->

Well, this isn't the forum for such a discussion. You will need to take it up on their talk page or the appropriate noticeboard if you feel it is warranted. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:51, 2 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220802225100","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220802225100-Bielzebub1981-20220802224700","replies":[]}}-->

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Hello, I noticed my article was deleted. May have a detailed explanation and suggest the concrete actions to take in order to get this published.

Any help is appreciated!

Thank You.

Best,

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"[Your] article was not deleted. The draft you submitted was declined for the reasoning stated in the decline notice. I am not sure what concrete actions you would like. I would suggest to read WP:COI and WP:PAID and make the appropriate disclosure if applicable. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:55, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220813005500","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220813005500-Roberto25664546825-20220811082700","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi,

You recently declined the draft for Israel Canada LTD., a Tel Aviv 125 Index company. The attached references were not just routine mentions but articles supporting the content.

It's one of the largest Israeli real estate companies and one of the only companies in the index not to have an article.

Please let me know what, in your opinion, is missing. So I may improve the draft and get it approved. Maorkap3 (talk) 07:57, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220814075700","author":"Maorkap3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maorkap3-20220814075700-Draft:Israel_Canada","replies":[]}}-->

Edit: I also added a part about the takeover of Norstar, which is the parent company of Gazit-Globe - in the draft. Maorkap3 (talk) 09:34, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220814093400","author":"Maorkap3","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Maorkap3-20220814093400-Draft:Israel_Canada","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220814210200-Maorkap3-20220814093400"]}}-->

Please list the specific references that meet WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:02, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220814210200","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220814210200-Maorkap3-20220814093400","replies":[]}}-->

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Good day! I have stumbled upon a number of articles related to professors associated with Purdue University. I am unsure that they meet notability requirements (including for bios and for academics). Any comments as to whether or not they are notable would be greatly appreciated! The talk pages for the articles in question may be found at: Talk:Linda Haas, Talk: Violet B. Haas, and Talk: Carolyn C. Perrucci. Thanks! nf utvol (talk) 14:44, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220822144400","author":"Nfutvol","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nfutvol-20220822144400-RfC_on_notability_of_biographies","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220822185100-Nfutvol-20220822144400"],"displayName":"nf utvol"}}-->

I would say the proper venue would be AfD if you feel these not to be notable. That way notices can go to proper WikiProject participants and a consensus can be reached. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:51, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220822185100","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220822185100-Nfutvol-20220822144400","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi, thank you for the quick review of the Stratodesk article submission. I believe the references I found fit the definition of significant coverage. Stratodesk is part of the thin client computing industry, so the publications that write about this topic are specialized. I used data from tools like SimilarWeb and Siteworth to evaluate monthly readership and visitors of the cited articles.

For instance, the publication TechTarget, which wrote extensively about Stratodesk in two separate articles, had 9.7, 10.6, and 10.1 million visitors in the months of April, May, and June, according to SimilarWeb, and 13M monthly visitors according to Siteworth. According to SimilarWeb, notable publications like InfoWorld has 1.4 million monthly visitors and InformationWeek has 155,300 monthly visitors.

The article on Stratodesk from Linux.com has 320,000 monthly readers according to SimilarWeb, and over 800,000 monthly visitors according to Siteworth.

Channel Buzz and ITEuropa, which both published profiles on Stratodesk, have 10K and 5K monthly visitors, respectively, according to SimilarWeb and 42K and 26K monthly readers, respectively, on Siteworth. These are significant because the readers are indirect sales and channel companies.

I can provide other examples of the data.

For a comparison among peer companies, I analyzed Stratodesk's references to those listed for IGEL Technology and SolydXK pages, both of which include many self-published articles. For the draft of Stratodesk, all of my references are third-party tech articles with 8 features and the rest significant mentions.

The references aside, Stratodesk is also notable because its operating system was used by Citrix as the OS for its Workspace Hub Raspberry Pi devices when Citrix first entered the Raspberry Pi thin client market in 2012/2013.

I welcome feedback on anything else that needs to be revised, and with respect, I ask that you reconsider and accept the publication.

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Significant coverage is not the issue. The references must meet everything described in WP:ORGCRIT and unfortunately I do not see these references as doing so. As far as notability, there isnt anything in the guidelines that says a company is notable based on the use of its operating system or who uses it. I would advise finding references in main stream publications that talk about it in-depth. This is the best way to show notability. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:22, 29 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220829192200","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220829192200-Fairwin99-20220829145800","replies":[]}}-->

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Hei CNMall41, thank you for reviewing the draft I submitted and sorry for not meeting the required criteria after the first 2 submissions.

You noted that the company doesn't meet WP:ORGCRIT and I'd like to discuss it. Here is from the policy:

Individual sources must be evaluated separately and independently of each other and meet the four criteria below to determine if a source qualifies towards establishing notability. Contain significant coverage addressing the subject of the article directly and in depth. Be completely independent of the article subject. Meet the standard for being a reliable source. Be a secondary source; primary and tertiary sources do not count towards establishing notability

In my opinion the folllowing sources meet the 4 criteria:

• CNN interview
• ORF coverage
• Der Brutkasten
• CNBC
• Ernst & Young
• Forbes

Regarding the WP:ADVERT I think the text provided in the last version reports some facts about the company, without the intention to promote it. In fact the content is quite similar to the one provided for other approved Wikipedia pages, such as:

• Bitpanda
• Omio
• Selectra

I don't see many differences between the content and the references used in the pages I mentioned and the one I tried submitting, so I'm having a hard time understanding what I'm doing wrong.

Please let me know what you think about it. Thank you! Citi.47 (talk) 11:55, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831115500","author":"Citi.47","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Citi.47-20220831115500-Submission_review","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220831182800-Citi.47-20220831115500"]}}-->

Based on the references you supplied above, I do not believe you understand the guideline as it is applied in Wikipedia. CNN source is an interview and therefore not considered independent. Facebook should never be used as a source as well as all social media. The Forbes reference is a profile about a founder and NOT in-depth about the company. The only one that comes close is the CNBC article and that was NOT included in the draft. As far as your comment about the ADVERT tag, please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:28, 31 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220831182800","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220831182800-Citi.47-20220831115500","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Thank you for going through my draft. You mentioned "... draft says both "him" and "her" " I don't understand what you said, I don't use him there... Can you please explain? Thanks കോട്ടയംകാരൻ (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220901014000","author":"\u0d15\u0d4b\u0d1f\u0d4d\u0d1f\u0d2f\u0d02\u0d15\u0d3e\u0d30\u0d7b","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-\u0d15\u0d4b\u0d1f\u0d4d\u0d1f\u0d2f\u0d02\u0d15\u0d3e\u0d30\u0d7b-20220901014000-Regarding_Draft:Veena_Nair","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220901192800-\u0d15\u0d4b\u0d1f\u0d4d\u0d1f\u0d2f\u0d02\u0d15\u0d3e\u0d30\u0d7b-20220901014000"]}}-->

Just look at the article. You used two different pronouns. "Veena Nair is an Indian actress who appears in Malayalam films and television shows. She is best known for portraying comedic roles, but has also played character roles. She participated in second season of the Malayalam reality TV series Bigg Boss.[1] Veena made his acting debut with Vellimoonga, a commercial success."--CNMall41 (talk) 19:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220901192800","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220901192800-\u0d15\u0d4b\u0d1f\u0d4d\u0d1f\u0d2f\u0d02\u0d15\u0d3e\u0d30\u0d7b-20220901014000","replies":[]}}-->

Hi CNMall41, Thank you for reviewing my draft. You had declined the submission because of lack of notability. However, Born Group is an agency with a large workforce, global presence and notable clients. It has been covered in independent news sources. I have edited the draft adding some more references, as well as removing those that did not seem to meet the criteria. Please give it another look. Shaivikshetty (talk) 07:14, 5 September 2022 (UTC) Shaivikshetty (talk) 09:49, 2 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220905071400","author":"Shaivikshetty","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Shaivikshetty-20220905071400-Regarding_Draft:Born_Group","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220905193900-Shaivikshetty-20220905071400"]}}-->

Thanks for the note. Can you please show me in the WP:NCORP guideline where having a "large workforce, global presence and notable clients" is a criteria for notability? Also, independent news sources are only one of the legs of WP:ORGCRIT. If you can tell me which specific sources you added meet this criteria I will have another look. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220905193900","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220905193900-Shaivikshetty-20220905071400","replies":["c-Shaivikshetty-20220909045600-CNMall41-20220905193900"]}}-->

ETbrandequity

mint

afaq

merger

These are all independent, secondary and reliable sources, that qualify. Shaivikshetty (talk) 04:56, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220909045600","author":"Shaivikshetty","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Shaivikshetty-20220909045600-CNMall41-20220905193900","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220909175000-Shaivikshetty-20220909045600"]}}-->

None of these pass ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220909175000","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220909175000-Shaivikshetty-20220909045600","replies":[]}}-->

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A neutral article that I wrote defining "Consumer Compliance" was rejected for not being suitable for Wikipedia. This is the third rejection with little to no feedback. The second rejection was determined to have been made by a sockpuppet. An article defining consumer compliance is not only suitable for Wikipedia but its absence is a gap in the encyclopedia's existing coverage. The article I drafted is not perfect but its repeated rejection, with no meaningful feedback, simply does not make sense. Consumer compliance is a very large subject in U.S. bank regulation. It is referenced by other Wikipedia pages. I will continue to work on the draft to flesh it out.

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I should have said that the first rejection, from Mako001, included some feedback and I rewrote the article based on that feedback. I am confused as to why CNMall41 wrote that I had not made any substantial revisions since I very substantially edited the draft. Carchias (talk) 16:31, 11 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220911163100","author":"Carchias","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Carchias-20220911163100-Carchias-20220911152900","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220913005300-Carchias-20220911163100"]}}-->

Feel free to resubmit. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220913005300","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220913005300-Carchias-20220911163100","replies":["c-Carchias-20221001213100-CNMall41-20220913005300"]}}-->

Just saw this from you CNMall41 -- will do. thanks. Carchias (talk) 21:31, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221001213100","author":"Carchias","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Carchias-20221001213100-CNMall41-20220913005300","replies":[]}}-->

Hi, I've noticed you're a reviewer at the AFC project and I've noticed your reviewing of pages. I'm kindly requesting if you could take a look at my draft and help proceeding it getting published. I'd really appreciate it if you gave it a look and send your feedback. Thank you. Happy editing. Jay (talk) 14:18, 18 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220918141800","author":"Jgqdg","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jgqdg-20220918141800-Requesting_assist_on_my_Draft","replies":["c-CNMall41-20220921021600-Jgqdg-20220918141800"],"displayName":"Jay"}}-->

I guess based on your SPI block you have answered your own question. Please don't come back here for help. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:16, 21 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20220921021600","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20220921021600-Jgqdg-20220918141800","replies":[]}}-->

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Replying to CNMall41 above comment, "No substantial change since last decline." This is inaccurate; I rewrote the article after Mako001 declined it. It was next declined by a sockpuppet. An editor reached out to me about that problem and told me they were trying to figure out how a sockpuppet was able to decline the article. Carchias (talk) 21:30, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221001213000","author":"Carchias","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Carchias-20221001213000-AfC_comment","replies":["c-CNMall41-20221004024000-Carchias-20221001213000"]}}-->

Looks like I was reviewing the edit history from the time CSC removed the decline notice, assuming they were the one who declined it. Feel free to resubmit. --CNMall41 (talk) 02:40, 4 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221004024000","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20221004024000-Carchias-20221001213000","replies":[]}}-->

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Dear @CNMall41, I have a quick question as you commented a draft I submitted for review a few months ago and was declined: I wanted to discuss it but it looks my final reviewer has been blocked as a sockpuppet. Am I correct in understanding that the primary problem is the lack of third-party, independent sources on the subject with significant coverage? I understand the overall debate as the person in question is very famous but in a very specific field (digital preservation). A sign of it is that he conceived standards that are widespread enough to have their own Wikipedia page: Internet resource locator, Archival Resource Key, BagIt. Do you think this fact is a valid point in favor of maintaining the page, if I find some third-party sources on the subject? Best, AureaCapra (talk) 07:47, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221016074700","author":"AureaCapra","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AureaCapra-20221016074700-Draft_eligibility","replies":["c-CNMall41-20221018050300-AureaCapra-20221016074700"]}}-->

@AureaCapra:, Yes, please add third party sources that talk about the subject in-depth if you can. Feel free to resubmit since the reviewer is no longer active. I have no opinion on whether the decline was appropriate but in this case I would say it needs to be reviewed by someone within the community who is in good standing.--CNMall41 (talk) 05:03, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221018050300","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20221018050300-AureaCapra-20221016074700","replies":["c-AureaCapra-20221020054800-CNMall41-20221018050300"]}}-->

Dear @CNMall41, thank you for your time and advice! I will rework the article in adding as much third party sources as I can, then resubmit it as you suggest. Kind regards, AureaCapra (talk) 05:48, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221020054800","author":"AureaCapra","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-AureaCapra-20221020054800-CNMall41-20221018050300","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi,

Thank you for reviewing and making changes to the page Mark Keil (professor). I can see that you have removed some content which was actually citing the secondary sources like the news articles etc. I understand that having these references in the LEAD section of the page is not encouraged. But, since that paragraph is removed, the page doesn't have any secondary sources to verify the content. Is this the reason you have added those two tags of "BLP Sources" and "Primary Sources"? If not this, may I know what can be done to remove those tags? Can you help me on how to make this a strong article? Thank you. Vamsy Alapati (talk) 13:08, 7 November 2022 (EST) Vamsy Alapati (talk) 18:08, 7 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221107180800","author":"Vamsy Alapati","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Vamsy_Alapati-20221107180800-Help:_Mark_Keil_(professor)","replies":["c-CNMall41-20221109034600-Vamsy_Alapati-20221107180800"]}}-->

@Vamsy Alapati:, since I see an undisclosed paid editing tag was placed on the page, we need to start there. You will need to disclose your work according to WP:PAID if applicable and then we can discuss the page issue. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:46, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221109034600","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20221109034600-Vamsy_Alapati-20221107180800","replies":["c-Vamsy_Alapati-20221109233000-CNMall41-20221109034600"]}}-->

Hi @CNMall41,

The Undisclosed tag is the first thing on my mind too. Got in touch with the user who added that tag too.

The undisclosed paid tag is not applicable in my case as I don't have any real connection to the person(no COI) in the article nor am I getting paid to do these edits. And this tag has now been removed by other wiki authors who feel the same about it. I would like to improve the verifiability of the article if this undisclosed tag issue is resolved.

Can you suggest/guide how may I proceed with adding the secondary sources? I do have some news articles that quoted him or his work. Vamsy Alapati (talk) 23:30, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221109233000","author":"Vamsy Alapati","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Vamsy_Alapati-20221109233000-CNMall41-20221109034600","replies":["c-Vamsy_Alapati-20221206173200-Vamsy_Alapati-20221109233000"]}}-->

Hello @CNMall41,

Hope you are doing good. I have contacted the user who added the Undisclosed tag and got that removed and notified him about it.

I have made some minor changes to the page. Under the writings section, I have added citing the news articles and interviews he(Mark Keil) appeared or quoted in so these can serve as secondary sources of verification. Can you please have a look at them and see if the other tags can be removed if they can be? If not, please suggest me on how to add the secondary sources to the page. Thank you for your time. Vamsy Alapati (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221206173200","author":"Vamsy Alapati","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Vamsy_Alapati-20221206173200-Vamsy_Alapati-20221109233000","replies":["c-CNMall41-20221209191100-Vamsy_Alapati-20221206173200"]}}-->

The first reference you added to the new promotional information is a primary source. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:11, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221209191100","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-CNMall41-20221209191100-Vamsy_Alapati-20221206173200","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi CNMall41, I was hoping for a response to the request for the retrieval of material that was tagged for speedy deletion, for the Draft page I made for MasterSeries, under User talk:Patmacgin.

I had tried to be as transparent as possible in regards my interest in the company, including only neutral information but I understand how the draft read, and that I fell way short of the requirements expected.

I hope that I can retrieve the deleted material, to have another attempt at publishing the page, incorporating your comments and the advice / guidance you have included.

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I found some college basketball articles

• Draft:1970–71 BYU Cougars men's basketball team
• Draft:1970–71 Portland Pilots men's basketball team
• Draft:1970–71 SMU Mustangs men's basketball team
• Draft:1970–71 USC Trojans men's basketball team
• Draft:1975–76 Nevada Wolf Pack men's basketball team
• Draft:1979–80 Brown Bears men's basketball team
• Draft:1979–80 Vermont Catamounts men's basketball team
• Draft:1979–80 Nebraska Cornhuskers men's basketball team
• Draft:1979–80 Rutgers Scarlet Knights men's basketball team
• Draft:1979–80 Rice Owls men's basketball team
• Draft:1980–81 Eastern Illinois Panthers men's basketball team
• Draft:1980–81 Nebraska Cornhuskers men's basketball team
• Draft:1981–82 Long Beach State 49ers men's basketball team
• Draft:1985–86 Marquette Warriors men's basketball team
• Draft:1987–88 Indiana State Sycamores men's basketball team
• Draft:1988–89 East Carolina Pirates men's basketball team
• Draft:1992–93 Eastern Illinois Panthers men's basketball team
• Draft:1997–98 Marquette Golden Eagles men's basketball team
• Draft:1998–99 Marquette Golden Eagles men's basketball team
• Draft:2003–04 Eastern Illinois Panthers men's basketball team
• Draft:2003–04 Notre Dame Fighting Irish men's basketball team

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Hello CNMall41, I message you because you changed the title of the article from "Kaydop" to "Alexandre Courant". It's probably because of me that this is confusing. But, this is an esport player, and in esport we call the players by their pseudonyme. Every fan, say Kaydop and not Alexandre, and in the media too. Usually, people don't know the real name of the players, they have to be a big fan, or to search on wikipedia to know it for example. For example : one of the greatest esport Rocket League player of all time has his own wikipedia page, and the title is "Turbopolsa" and not "Pierre Silfver". And it works for other esport game as well. So my request would be to change the title from Alexandre Courant to Kaydop. Sorry, the confusion probably come from my article, I don't know. But I hope that you understand :) . Cafflon (talk) 16:10, 24 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221124161000","author":"Cafflon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Cafflon-20221124161000-The_title_:_Kaydop_-->_Alexandre_Courant_:\/","replies":["c-CNMall41-20221128091500-Cafflon-20221124161000"]}}-->

No confusion. I moved it from your sandbox to draft which is the proper location for submissions. If approved, the reviewer will move it to the proper title in the mainspace if no one does it before that. --CNMall41 (talk) 09:15, 28 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20221128091500","author":"CNMall41","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-CNMall41-20221128091500-Cafflon-20221124161000","replies":[]}}-->

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