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Hi! I saw that you added a {{notability}} tag to Jason Bulmahn. I think that I've now added enough references for the tag to be removed, but I thought that you should probably check (I'm still relatively new here and I don't know all of the notability guidelines). Thanks! -Drilnoth (talk) 13:06, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T13:06:00.000Z","author":"Drilnoth","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Drilnoth-2008-11-25T13:06:00.000Z-Jason_Bulmahn","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-25T22:20:00.000Z-Drilnoth-2008-11-25T13:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've removed the tag. Cheers. BradV 22:20, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T22:20:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-25T22:20:00.000Z-Drilnoth-2008-11-25T13:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Drilnoth-2008-11-25T22:34:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-25T22:20:00.000Z"]}}-->

Excellent. Thanks! -Drilnoth (talk) 22:34, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T22:34:00.000Z","author":"Drilnoth","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Drilnoth-2008-11-25T22:34:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-25T22:20:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

BradV,

I saw that you came by and edited my article. The lead looks better than the one I had. Thank you. One comment - you reverted (click here)information that was actually sourced. The bit about him being from a "working class suburb" came directly from the source I quoted, verbatim.

The second part "He took this lesson to heart and started on a path that would include entering and winning many oratorical (speech) contests that

- eventually led to him being publicly recognized in local newspaper articles. One such article would lead to a phone call that would set him on the path to become South Florida's first black anchor. "

The first sentance is a paraphrase and is sourced ( source is actually both above and below -- it's the same source). The second sentance is also sourced to the same source.

I won't war on it, and in fact, I 'll leave it out. The article doesn't have to have that to be good. Just check the source again and you'll see what I mean. It's not OR and it is in fact sourced. Just a heads up !

Thanks KoshVorlon > rm -r WP:F.U.R 21:30, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T21:30:00.000Z","author":"KoshVorlon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KoshVorlon-2008-11-25T21:30:00.000Z-Dwight_Lauderdale_edit","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-25T21:32:00.000Z-KoshVorlon-2008-11-25T21:30:00.000Z"]}}-->

You are free to discuss my edits on the talk page of the article, and even to revert them as necessary. Be bold, revert, discuss BradV 21:32, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T21:32:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-25T21:32:00.000Z-KoshVorlon-2008-11-25T21:30:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

		The RfA Barnstar
		Bradv, I would like to thank you for your participation in my recent Request for Adminship, which passed with 112 supports, 4 opposes and 5 neutrals. A special mention goes out to Stwalkerster and Pedro for nominating me, thanks a lot for having trust in me! In response to the neutrals, I will try to double check articles that have been tagged for speedy deletion before I CSD them and will start off slowly with the drama boards of ANI and AN to ensure that I get used to them. In response to the oppose !votes on my RfA, I will check that any images I use meet the non-free content criteria and will attempt to handle any disputes or queries as well as I can. If you need my help at all, feel free to simply ask at my talk page and I'll see if I can help. Once again, thank you for your participation, and have a great day! :) The Helpful One 22:24, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T22:24:00.000Z","author":"Thehelpfulone","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Thehelpfulone-2008-11-25T22:24:00.000Z-RfA_thanks","replies":[],"displayName":"The"}}-->

design by neurolysis | to add this barnstar to your awards page, simply copy and paste {{subst:User:Neurolysis/THOBS}} and remove this bottom text | if you don't like thankspam, please accept my sincere apologies

You're most welcome, and congratulations. BradV 22:27, 25 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-25T22:27:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-25T22:27:00.000Z-RfA_thanks","replies":[]}}-->

Do you still plan to help us with this article? Your input is much needed. --Damiens.rf 19:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T19:44:00.000Z","author":"Damiens.rf","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T19:44:00.000Z-Dwight_Lauderdale","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-26T19:49:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T19:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sure. I'll weigh in where necessary and help to resolve content and style disputes. BradV 19:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T19:49:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-26T19:49:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T19:44:00.000Z","replies":["c-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:02:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-26T19:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

I've commented supporting your idea of restarting from a non-article all the way up with only sourced stuff. Are you still considering this idea? --Damiens.rf 20:02, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T20:02:00.000Z","author":"Damiens.rf","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:02:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-26T19:49:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:06:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:02:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, that would be rather insulting to the editor who started the article and has obviously worked very hard on it. The article needs to be cleaned up and its tone fixed, but it does not need to be reduced to a stub in order for that to be accomplished. BradV 20:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T20:06:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:06:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:02:00.000Z","replies":["c-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:25:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

Ok, I understand. So, do you plan to clean up the unsourced and ill-sourced statements yourself, or do you trust the original author to do that? One problem I had with him was that he seem to believe that if something is said in a source, it could be taken as a fact and copied to wikipedia, ignoring possible POV or tone issues. --Damiens.rf 20:25, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T20:25:00.000Z","author":"Damiens.rf","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:25:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:06:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:35:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:25:00.000Z"]}}-->

We can improve the article without slashing or needlessly critiquing others' work. To be frank, the only edits you have made to the article have been to slash content and to repeatedly add a bunch of unhelpful tags to the article. It's no wonder you got the reaction you did. I will gladly help you and the other editors fix the article, if you are interested in doing that, but I am not interested in fueling personal disputes which have no reason to exist, and certainly don't benefit the encyclopedia. BradV 20:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-26T20:35:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-26T20:35:00.000Z-Damiens.rf-2008-11-26T20:25:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Is this Brad Vogel (of, for one, Letters in Bottles)? 68.249.6.117 (talk) 04:38, 28 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-28T04:38:00.000Z","author":"68.249.6.117","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-68.249.6.117-2008-11-28T04:38:00.000Z-?","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-28T05:55:00.000Z-68.249.6.117-2008-11-28T04:38:00.000Z"]}}-->

No, it is not. Sorry. —BradV 05:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-28T05:55:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-28T05:55:00.000Z-68.249.6.117-2008-11-28T04:38:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Jclemens' RfA Thankspam

		JClemens' RfA Thanks
		Thank you for participating in my Request for Adminship, which passed with 77 supporting and 2 opposing. Regardless of your position, I thank you for the time you took to examine my record and formulate your response. Jclemens (talk) 02:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-29T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Jclemens","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jclemens-2008-11-29T02:26:00.000Z-Jclemens_RfA","replies":[]}}-->

I added my viewpoint in both articles' talkpages. Thank you for your time, Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso (talk) 05:55, 29 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-29T05:55:00.000Z","author":"Piccolo Modificatore Laborioso","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Piccolo_Modificatore_Laborioso-2008-11-29T05:55:00.000Z-WP:3_for_Template:Television_in_Italy_and_List_of_SKY_Italia_channels","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-11-29T05:57:00.000Z-Piccolo_Modificatore_Laborioso-2008-11-29T05:55:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see that. I'll respond to both once the other side has expressed their opinion. —BradV 05:57, 29 November 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-11-29T05:57:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-11-29T05:57:00.000Z-Piccolo_Modificatore_Laborioso-2008-11-29T05:55:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I just wanted to take a moment to say "thank you" for taking the time and effort to participate in my recent RfA. As you may know, the discussion closed 66/0/1 and I'm now a holder of the mop. I will keep working to improve the encyclopedia and appreciate the trust which you have placed in me. - Dravecky (talk) 00:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T00:21:00.000Z","author":"Dravecky","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dravecky-2008-12-02T00:21:00.000Z-Thank_you_for_participating_in_my_RfA","replies":[]}}-->

The medcab request is predominantly about user conduct, whereas the 3O request was to address concerns I have with the article. Whilst I respect your decision not to provide an opinion, I would tend to disagree that removing the opportunity for anyone else was all that useful.

ALR (talk) 19:26, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T19:26:00.000Z","author":"ALR","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-ALR-2008-12-02T19:26:00.000Z-DCEETA","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-02T19:28:00.000Z-ALR-2008-12-02T19:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

I understand that concern. I would suggest that you post a further request on the MEDCAB case, and/or speak to the mediator. I will also monitor the talk page and the MEDCAB case and help out where I can. —BradV 19:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T19:28:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-02T19:28:00.000Z-ALR-2008-12-02T19:26:00.000Z","replies":["c-ALR-2008-12-02T19:36:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-02T19:28:00.000Z"]}}-->

I wouldn't worry. The medcab case is going nowhere with a very clear unwillingness to engage in the process. I'm contemplating just putting it up for deletion based on notability.

ALR (talk) 19:36, 2 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-02T19:36:00.000Z","author":"ALR","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-ALR-2008-12-02T19:36:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-02T19:28:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hi there, I noticed earlier today your tag concerning the Karl Shuker article, describing it as resembling an autobiography with extensive input by its subject. As that subject is me, i.e. I am Dr Karl Shuker, I would like to mention that in fact virtually all of the info in this article is contained within the books by Michael Newton and Loren Coleman/Jerome Clark listed in this article's references. My major input has been in the reference list, in response to requests for citations by other editors, including TheRedPenOfDoom. So if it would be possible for you to remove the tag, I would be grateful, as the article's content is derived from third-party, neutral sources. As it happens, my greatest concern regarding the article about me is that during the past month it has been vandalised on three separate occasions by a person using a computer with the IP 41.208.14.66, who has been inserting libellous comments regarding me, and on one occasion even replacing the article's text with the word Gay eleven times. I have expressed by concern regarding this matter to another editor, one of three who, thankfully, have spotted these vandalisms and have reverted the article to its previous version on each occasion. Is there any way that my article can be protected from further vandalism by this person? As you can imagine, I am very distressed and angered by this activity, and would greatly appreciate any advice or action that you or other Wikipedia editors could take on my behalf. Many thanks indeed, Czbiker (talk) 23:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC) Dr Karl Shuker__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-05T23:00:00.000Z","author":"Czbiker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Czbiker-2008-12-05T23:00:00.000Z-Karl_Shuker_article","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-05T23:11:00.000Z-Czbiker-2008-12-05T23:00:00.000Z"]}}-->

I understand your concern about this article, and have added it to my watchlist. I cannot remove the autobiography tag as it is designed specifically for cases such as these. The essay WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY provides some helpful advice for this case. In particular, I would recommend you refrain from editing the article yourself and post any concerns you have on the article's talk page. Feel free to ask me for help at any time as well. Thanks. —BradV 23:11, 5 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-05T23:11:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-05T23:11:00.000Z-Czbiker-2008-12-05T23:00:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I apologize I didn't comment during the 3O for Inter-Services Intelligence but I chose to remove the Officer sections myself after having reviewed it. As I explain at Talk:Inter-Services_Intelligence#Officers_section, those sections were added at least a year ago by User:Mercenary2k himself so I found it highly inappropriate that he demand others find sources and then question what source they use. Since he is the one advocating their inclusion, I think at some point we have to acknowledge that he should be the one to have to provide the sources, not just demand everyone else prove they isn't a reliable source for them. His responses in the archive that "he build this page" and they are sourced is getting to be a bit much. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 08:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-06T08:02:00.000Z","author":"Ricky81682","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ricky81682-2008-12-06T08:02:00.000Z-Inter-Services_Intelligence","replies":[]}}-->

Thank you for offering to give a third opinion. I feel overwhelmed. There is me and one other person in dispute with 3 other people. You might want to warn vegasgadet that was their 4th revert in the last 2 hours. I'm all out of reverts for the day so please keep a watch on the article.(Kdr81 (talk) 22:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-05T22:14:00.000Z","author":"Kdr81","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Kdr81-2008-12-05T22:14:00.000Z-Las_Vegas_Convention_and_Visitors_Authority","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-05T22:16:00.000Z-Kdr81-2008-12-05T22:14:00.000Z"]}}-->

For future reference, third opinion is for disputes between exactly two editors, so this doesn't qualify. Regardless, I will continue to monitor and help out resolving disputes where I can. —BradV 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-05T22:16:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-05T22:16:00.000Z-Kdr81-2008-12-05T22:14:00.000Z","replies":["c-Kdr81-2008-12-08T20:28:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-05T22:16:00.000Z"]}}-->

Honestly I think it is between two editors, except I can't prove the other guy is using two other accounts and I didn't want to accuse him of anything. Thank you for the help though. (Kdr81 (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2008 (UTC))__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-08T20:28:00.000Z","author":"Kdr81","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Kdr81-2008-12-08T20:28:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-05T22:16:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Thanks for your careful consideration at my successful RfA. Please let me know on my talk page if you have any suggestions for me. - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 00:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-07T00:40:00.000Z","author":"Dank55","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dank55-2008-12-07T00:40:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Dank55-2008-12-07T00:42:00.000Z-Dank55-2008-12-07T00:40:00.000Z"]}}-->

P.S. This frilly font is a stroke of genius. I can just see some vandalizer coming here to yell at you, seeing how it looks in this font, and self-reverting :) - Dan Dank55 (send/receive) 00:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-07T00:42:00.000Z","author":"Dank55","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Dank55-2008-12-07T00:42:00.000Z-Dank55-2008-12-07T00:40:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

What would suggest? The format is odd, but I don't see any obvious way to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Benjamin Trovato (talk • contribs) 01:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-07T01:17:00.000Z","author":"Benjamin Trovato","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Benjamin_Trovato-2008-12-07T01:17:00.000Z-Geography_of_South-central_Siberia","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I'm an it.wikipedia (and commons and it.wiktionary and so on) administrator who has recently read a news in one of the italian PSP dedicated website, about some problems with this article. The problem is that an IP (under what there's a famous italian coder, really appreciated for his hard work, whose work is totally free and legal) has added a line about his project in the article OpenCV (that I think doesn't harm at all) linking to that project. Here there's then the rollback by Femmina, with no reason at all. Here you can instead see the rollback of Femmina's edit, indeed we have an entire article about the project of that Coder, instead of only one line about it. I know that I can revert Femmina without asking, but I don't want to start an edit war also because it's as useless as all the edit wars. I know that you're aren't an administrator, but you have followed that article and maybe you can deal the thing without asking an admin. Sorry, but I'm not so deep in en.wikipedia mechanisms, I hope you can help me :-) Sorry for my english, bye, --Filnik ^dimmi! 15:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC) P.S. The personal attacks (that aren't made by me) were done because that coder doesn't know the wikipedian rules and he was simply surprised by the answers got by Femmina.__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-08T15:55:00.000Z","author":"Filnik","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Filnik-2008-12-08T15:55:00.000Z-Not_vandalism","replies":[],"displayName":"Fil"}}-->

he's foxcows check the ip address, foxcow is in my class, he told me! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Darknesswolfs (talk • contribs) 20:07, 17 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-17T20:07:00.000Z","author":"Darknesswolfs","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Darknesswolfs-2008-12-17T20:07:00.000Z-rangerarecool1234_isn't_a_sockpuppet_of_rangersarecool!","replies":[]}}-->

FYI, I've closed this report, to which you contributed exidence. Apologies for the extreme delay, due to a really ridiculous backlog at WP:SSP. Feel free to comment/question on my talk page. --barneca (talk) 18:59, 22 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-22T18:59:00.000Z","author":"Barneca","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Barneca-2008-12-22T18:59:00.000Z-Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets\/KeepOnRockingInTheFreeWorld","replies":[]}}-->

→ see Template:US Holidays

All you can say on the subject is "remove fictional holiday", like you're some kind of robot? And after I had JUST said that Festivus is NOT a fictional holiday, that it is in fact celebrated across the country, and that anyone who thinks otherwise clearly hasn't read the article! Now, all I am asking is that you not revert that, OK? Festivus is a real holiday, and I expect it to be treated as such. Huh (talk) 11:45, 24 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-24T11:45:00.000Z","author":"Feats-O-Strength","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Feats-O-Strength-2008-12-24T11:45:00.000Z-Festivus","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-24T17:03:00.000Z-Feats-O-Strength-2008-12-24T11:45:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Huh"}}-->

Replied here, here, and here. BradV 17:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-24T17:03:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-24T17:03:00.000Z-Feats-O-Strength-2008-12-24T11:45:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

BradV, I got your note. Frankly I disagree. Damien repeadtly tags referenced items with tag that show that he believes them to not be referenced. I have told him more than once that they are and that the references are in the article as well. Additionally, he removes or changes items, again, with comments like "Improper wording" when in fact, the wording comes from a referenced source. He's been told multiple times not to do this as this is inappropriate behavior. In short, I believe his behavior is trolling. He's been warned by other editors for the same behavior (see his webpage archive for various warnings and a block too! ) so it more than just one editor's view. Bottom line is he's trolling and I don't see a problem with calling a troll a troll, it's just WP:DUCK in action. Thanks KoshVorlon > rm -r WP:F.U.R 17:20, 24 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-24T17:20:00.000Z","author":"KoshVorlon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KoshVorlon-2008-12-24T17:20:00.000Z-Note_on_my_page","replies":[]}}-->

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While I appreciate that under some conditions it may be a conflict of interest for a person to edit a Wikipedia article about himself, in this particular instance I removed the autobiography/extensively edited tag heading the Wikipedia article about me for the simple reason that it is inaccurate and therefore unwarranted. As I noted in my revision note, the vast majority of the info about me in this article is contained within the entry on me in Newton's book The Encyclopedia of Cryptozoology, and in the Coleman/Clark book The A-Z of Cryptozoology - both of which are wholly independent, third-party sources and are cited in the references to the Wikipedia article on me. (If you doubt my word concerning this, or have no access to either/both of these books, I am more than happy to type out the entire text entry on me from each of these books and include them here for you to see for yourself.) How, therefore, can the autobiography tag be justified? In addition, as I have also previously noted, the only major edits that I have added to this article are the inclusion of the reference list (as requested by TheRedPenOfDoom Wikipedia editor) and the addition of the my 3 most recent books to the list of my publications. How can this be claimed to be 'extensively edited'? At present, therefore, the autobiography/extensively edited tag not only is unjustified but also is serving to smear the authenticity of the article re me (and hence my own reputation and good name) in the eyes of those readers accessing it - which is thus surely approaching the level of being deemed libellous? As a result, if you feel unable to remove this tag or to discuss the matter further with me as a means of reconciling any problems currently preventing you from doing so, I would prefer for the entire article concerning me to be deleted, and thus bring an end to this troublesome matter. I have maintained a very successful, high-profile career in cryptozoology and writing long before this Wikipedia article came into being, and feel certain that I would be able to continue doing so were it no longer in existence. Many thanks. Czbiker (talk) 19:15, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Dr Karl Shuker__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-27T19:15:00.000Z","author":"Czbiker","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Czbiker-2008-12-27T19:15:00.000Z-Karl_Shuker_article_2","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-27T19:44:00.000Z-Czbiker-2008-12-27T19:15:00.000Z"]}}-->

Replied at Talk:Karl Shuker. BradV 19:44, 27 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-27T19:44:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-27T19:44:00.000Z-Czbiker-2008-12-27T19:15:00.000Z","replies":["c-Czbiker-2008-12-27T21:16:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-27T19:44:00.000Z"]}}-->

While I certainly take your points concerning neutrality, I must yet again return to the matter that the major facts in the Wikipedia article about me are contained in the entries on me present within the respective books by Newton and Coleman/Clark cited in this article's reference list. As these books are third-party, wholly-independent sources, surely the neutrality requirement has been fully met? As I stated in my previous talk, I would be more than happy to type out the relevant text from each of these books for you to see for yourself, as I feel certain that once you have read them you would see that the Wikipedia entry is indeed neutral. Please get back to me regarding this, as I am naturally anxious for this situation to be reconciled in a mutually satisfactory manner as swiftly as posible, so that this unjust autobiography tag can be duly removed. Thank you. Czbiker (talk) 21:16, 27 December 2008 (UTC) Dr Karl Shuker__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-27T21:16:00.000Z","author":"Czbiker","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Czbiker-2008-12-27T21:16:00.000Z-Bradv-2008-12-27T19:44:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Brad, I saw your editing and comment about my edit being "WP:OWN". Not hardly. As you can see, Damiens is removing items that are referenced and yet states that no reference exists. That's vandalism. I am reverting his vandalism. Also remember that a great many of your changes were placed into the article and accepted with no argument from me at all, even when I disagreed with them. So, no it's no WP:OWN, it's cleaning his nonsense out of the article. — Kosh ^Jumpgate 21:05, 28 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-28T21:05:00.000Z","author":"KoshVorlon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KoshVorlon-2008-12-28T21:05:00.000Z-Own_?","replies":["c-Bradv-2008-12-28T21:18:00.000Z-KoshVorlon-2008-12-28T21:05:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Kosh"}}-->

Calling things "trolling", "disruptive editing" and "vandalism" don't make them so. You need to take a good hard look at your own editing patterns over the last few days. As for the article, interviews are considered primary sources and should not be relied heavily upon, especially when doing so creates an inappropriate tone. BradV 21:18, 28 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-28T21:18:00.000Z","author":"Bradv","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bradv-2008-12-28T21:18:00.000Z-KoshVorlon-2008-12-28T21:05:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Hmm.... removing referenced items = vandalism. Do it repeatdly = disruptive editing.

Do it repeatedly when asked to stop = trolling. Nope WP:DUCK firmly applies to Damiens.rf. Don't get me wrong, he makes a good edit, even if I disagree, it I won't touch it, but I will not allow him to continue messing up the article. WP:DUCK allows me to call his edits just the way they are (at this point) disruptive. Thank — Kosh ^Jumpgate 21:43, 28 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-28T21:43:00.000Z","author":"KoshVorlon","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-KoshVorlon-2008-12-28T21:43:00.000Z-Own_?","replies":[],"displayName":"Kosh"}}-->

I noticed you placed a nom for the article to be deleted, on the basis of speculation. I must inform you however that this is not the case. Vh1 has been running advertisements and promos for the show since the season finale of Celebrity Rehab 2. The website for the show has been for some time and can be seen here. It is because of this that I removed your template on the show's page. Cheers!--EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere (talk) 07:51, 29 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-29T07:51:00.000Z","author":"Rlogan2","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rlogan2-2008-12-29T07:51:00.000Z-Sober_House","replies":[],"displayName":"EmperorofBlackPeopleEverywhere"}}-->

Hi. You are marking all of your edits as minor. Edits should only be marked as minor if they are vandalism reverts, minor fixes (like spelling or formatting corrections), or where an automated tool marks them as minor. Most likely, you have accidentally turned on the "Mark all edits minor by default" setting. To turn it off, please click on "my preferences", choose the "Editing tab", uncheck "Mark all edits minor by default", and click "save". Thank you. --B (talk) 14:44, 29 December 2008 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2008-12-29T14:44:00.000Z","author":"B","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-B-2008-12-29T14:44:00.000Z-Minor_edits","replies":[]}}-->

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I've been working on the "Nick Savoy" page that was previously deleted. With this new and rewritten article I would like to put it back up again. Since you were involved in the DRV, I would appreciate your feedback on the page of Nick Savoy before I put it back on DRV. Thanks in advance.Coaster7 (talk) 02:34, 4 January 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-01-04T02:34:00.000Z","author":"Coaster7","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Coaster7-2009-01-04T02:34:00.000Z-Nick_Savoy","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi Bradv,

I've been recently accused of socket puppetry by 2 users (Wizzy and FFMG). I've been accused of being a user named 'Sekwanele'.

Firstly, I am not this person.

Secondly, I am not familiar with this whole 'socket puppet' thing and how I am supposed to reply to the accusations. I figured that since you replied to the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Jaredsacks then you might be able to advise me on what to do.

How do I clear my name? How can I prove that I am not this person Sekwanele? I am happy to give out my personal information and even email address to administrators. Is that allowed?

I feel these accusations are retributive for disagreeing with Wizzy and FFMG on certain issues. I feel that they have been engaging in bad faith and accusing before even confronting me. What kind of recourse would I have regarding that?

I'm really confused here so could use your guidance if that is possible. Jaredsacks (talk) 03:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T03:33:00.000Z","author":"Jaredsacks","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jaredsacks-2009-02-15T03:33:00.000Z-i've_been_accused_of_'socket_puppetry'","replies":["c-Wizzy-2009-02-15T15:08:00.000Z-Jaredsacks-2009-02-15T03:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

I have re-opened this case, but I am not sure that I have done all the steps necessary at Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Jaredsacks_(2nd) - I am confused about the last notification step at Wikipedia:SPI, it seems to ask me to enter it all again ? Wizzy…☎ 15:08, 15 February 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-02-15T15:08:00.000Z","author":"Wizzy","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Wizzy-2009-02-15T15:08:00.000Z-Jaredsacks-2009-02-15T03:33:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

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Please see the article Sufi Barkat Ali again, and comment on it at its discussion page. and if you feel notability and cleanup issue still persists, help me to remove. Thanks and have a good Day.Azam Ishaque 18:35, 6 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azamishaque (talk • contribs)

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Hey, do you still regularly edit pages? I'm trying to get into it more, in the area of music ofcourse ;-) Maybe you can show me a couple of tricks sometime, e.g. how to make a decent userpage. Greetz Ninehouse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ninehouse (talk • contribs) 01:57, 8 May 2009 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2009-05-08T01:57:00.000Z","author":"Ninehouse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ninehouse-2009-05-08T01:57:00.000Z-Wikipedia_Signpost:_27_April_2009","replies":[]}}-->

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