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Did you misclick?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 7, 2014; 19:09 (UTC)

yes Hazard of editing on mobile. older ≠ wiser 19:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-07T19:53:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-07-07T19:53:00.000Z-???","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Happens to the best of us. No harm done. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); July 7, 2014; 20:43 (UTC)

I recently started using the {{refer}} template without realizing it was supposed to be subst'ed. Thank you for cleaning up many of my uses of it. If you had notified me of my error, I would have realized it sooner and stopped sooner. I encourage you to notify others who use {{refer}} that it's supposed to be subst'ed so they don't start using it repeatedly, as I did. Cheers and thanks again! —Anomalocaris (talk) 07:07, 15 July 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-15T07:07:00.000Z","author":"Anomalocaris","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Anomalocaris-2014-07-15T07:07:00.000Z-subst_per_template_instructions","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-07-16T00:08:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2014-07-15T07:07:00.000Z"]}}-->

No problem. But regarding you edit summary here, the guidance (A link to a non-existent article (a "red link") should only be included on a disambiguation page when an article (not just disambiguation pages) also includes that red link) forbids redlinked entries where there is no existing article that links to the term. MOS:DABMENTION indicates that if there is not any existing article that even mentions the term, the entry should not be added to the disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 00:08, 16 July 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-07-16T00:08:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-07-16T00:08:00.000Z-Anomalocaris-2014-07-15T07:07:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

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Hi Bkonrad. Rather than getting involved in a silly wrangle over the rather minor edits I did on the disambiguation page John Hopkins, here's the direction I was following. If I'm missing something, please let me know.

Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Disambiguation pages

• Include exactly one navigable (blue) link to efficiently guide readers to the most relevant article for that use of the ambiguous term. Do not wikilink any other words in the line.

Cheers, Doug butler (talk) 14:01, 12 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-12T14:01:00.000Z","author":"Doug butler","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Doug_butler-2014-08-12T14:01:00.000Z-Reversion_of_blue_links","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-12T17:02:00.000Z-Doug_butler-2014-08-12T14:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

The key phrase is "include exactly one navigable (blue) link. Your edit left several red link only entries.older ≠ wiser 17:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-12T17:02:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-12T17:02:00.000Z-Doug_butler-2014-08-12T14:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

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Could you please direct me to the relevant discussion? Srnec (talk) 02:26, 14 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-14T02:26:00.000Z","author":"Srnec","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Srnec-2014-08-14T02:26:00.000Z-Peace_of_Paris_(1783)","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-14T03:01:00.000Z-Srnec-2014-08-14T02:26:00.000Z"]}}-->

See Talk:Treaty of Paris (1815)#Dab hatnote, Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation/Archive 38#Treaty of Paris, Wikipedia talk:Hatnote/Archive 4#Hatnotes for disambiguated topics and Wikipedia talk:Hatnote/Archive 5#Fixing NAMB. Some of the discussions are wide-ranging, but all at points mention hatnotes on Treaty of Paris pages as an example of a disambiguated page title might not be sufficiently disambiguated for persons who aren't certain about which year identifies the treaty they're looking for. older ≠ wiser 03:01, 14 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-14T03:01:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-14T03:01:00.000Z-Srnec-2014-08-14T02:26:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

You just removed my "The Sirens" entry here.... It is mentioned on all three webpages of all artists involved in this project. I think there are enough references, that this is a real project, right? I've added the FB-page of the project to the comment when I edit it. But its not common to put references on a disamb page, right?

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Should we put it back on the disamb page? -- DerFussi 13:58, 14 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-14T13:58:00.000Z","author":"DerFussi","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-DerFussi-2014-08-14T13:58:00.000Z-The_Sirens","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T01:57:00.000Z-DerFussi-2014-08-14T13:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"Der"}}-->

No. The term is not mentioned in any of the Wikipedia articles linked in the disambiguation page. That is the minimum standard for inclusion on a disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 01:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-15T01:57:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T01:57:00.000Z-DerFussi-2014-08-14T13:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Our mainspace/disambiguation-space would be littered with inactive or poorly-attended projects, silly internal humour pages, and unused or advanced tools, making them a trivial target for a hatnote and all original content - not appropriate for a prominent entry in our encyclopedia content pages. –xeno^talk 13:36, 15 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-15T13:36:00.000Z","author":"Xeno","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Xeno-2014-08-15T13:36:00.000Z-Should_all_WikiProjects_put_links_in_their_disambiguation_pages?_and_WikiAnimals","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T13:56:00.000Z-Xeno-2014-08-15T13:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Perhaps, but then some have considerably more common currency as jargon in discussions and edit summmaries. And so long as there is potential for reasonable ambiguity and the links are appropriately wrapped in {{selfref}}, I fail to see the harm. older ≠ wiser 13:56, 15 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-15T13:56:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T13:56:00.000Z-Xeno-2014-08-15T13:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Xeno-2014-08-15T14:06:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T13:56:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

We are expected by readers to provide professional well-tended encyclopedic content and we're leaving them footnotes (well, headnotes) for them letting them know that we happen to slap eachother with wet digital trouts while we tend to the project. –xeno^talk 14:06, 15 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-15T14:06:00.000Z","author":"Xeno","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Xeno-2014-08-15T14:06:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T13:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T14:19:00.000Z-Xeno-2014-08-15T14:06:00.000Z"]}}-->

We are expected to provide readers navigational assistance to find ambiguous topics. I don't see that you've established much support for the notion that such hatnotes are an embarassment for Wikipedia and need to be removed. older ≠ wiser 14:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-15T14:19:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-15T14:19:00.000Z-Xeno-2014-08-15T14:06:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

As a main editor of Legend (disambiguation), I am calling your attention to Talk:Legend_(disambiguation)#Merger_proposal.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 04:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-17T04:19:00.000Z","author":"TonyTheTiger","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TonyTheTiger-2014-08-17T04:19:00.000Z-Merger_proposal","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for reverting the Corvette move. I tried to do it myself but was prevented by the re-direct. How did you overcome the problem?--Ykraps (talk) 08:01, 20 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-20T08:01:00.000Z","author":"Ykraps","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Ykraps-2014-08-20T08:01:00.000Z-Thanks","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T11:01:00.000Z-Ykraps-2014-08-20T08:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Admins have an option on the move dialog to delete an existing page at the destination title. older ≠ wiser 11:01, 20 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-20T11:01:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T11:01:00.000Z-Ykraps-2014-08-20T08:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Ykraps-2014-08-20T17:23:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T11:01:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Ah, okay. I thought some special powers might be needed but as you're not advertising yourself as an admin I wondered if there was a solution I'd missed.--Ykraps (talk) 17:23, 20 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-20T17:23:00.000Z","author":"Ykraps","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Ykraps-2014-08-20T17:23:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T11:01:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T22:18:00.000Z-Ykraps-2014-08-20T17:23:00.000Z"]}}-->

I guess I'm old school in that I don't think being an admin is a big deal. Anyone who can show a record of responsible editing should be able to be an admin (and conversely, it should not be a big deal to de-admin editors for misbehaving). older ≠ wiser 22:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-20T22:18:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-20T22:18:00.000Z-Ykraps-2014-08-20T17:23:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Your edit was also undone. No take-up yet on the talk page re consensus building, and spelling out in the comment is not enough. As one editor was an admin, I'm waiting for the full page protection request. Widefox; talk 18:32, 23 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-23T18:32:00.000Z","author":"Widefox","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Widefox-2014-08-23T18:32:00.000Z-Isis_(disambiguation)","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Bkonrad. I am just letting you know that I contested the speedy deletion of Brador, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Deletion of this page may be controversial or is under discussion. Thank you. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z","author":"Eastmain","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Eastmain-2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z-Speedy_deletion_contested:_Brador","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-26T02:45:00.000Z-Eastmain-2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z","c-Hoof_Hearted-2014-08-26T19:35:00.000Z-Eastmain-2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z"]}}-->

@Eastmain: How is it controversial and where is it being discussed? older ≠ wiser 02:45, 26 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-26T02:45:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-26T02:45:00.000Z-Eastmain-2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I'm seeking the same information as Bkonrad. Brador should be speedy deleted. Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:35, 26 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-26T19:35:00.000Z","author":"Hoof Hearted","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Hoof_Hearted-2014-08-26T19:35:00.000Z-Eastmain-2014-08-26T02:42:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

I presume you are one of the people who managed to get this far in your life with the mistaken idea that Britain refers to the United Kingdom. I can understand how this mistake can occur, if no-one ever taught you better, and you never read ANY reputable book, article or dictionary entry on the subject. This is the case, correct?

However, Wikipedia is not a place to encourage others to share your ignorance: it is a place to share knowledge. In this case, the knowledge to be shared is that when the term Britain is used by a competent user of the English language it NEVER includes Northern Ireland.

If you disagree with any of the above, provide a reference conforming to Wikipedia's standard for notability that supports your misuse of the term Britain as if it was a use. If not, you have learnt something, which I would guess is a rare occurence. Elroch (talk) 00:58, 28 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-28T00:58:00.000Z","author":"Elroch","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Elroch-2014-08-28T00:58:00.000Z-Wikipedia_is_a_place_for_sharing_knowledge_not_ignorance","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2014-08-28T01:04:00.000Z-Elroch-2014-08-28T00:58:00.000Z"]}}-->

Wikipedia is not prescriptive with regards to language use. There is abundant evidence that many people commonly use Britain to refer to the UK, regardless of what you might think of it. older ≠ wiser 01:04, 28 August 2014 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2014-08-28T01:04:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2014-08-28T01:04:00.000Z-Elroch-2014-08-28T00:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->