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Thanks for your suggestion. I've made my case on the talk page. ( Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Trivial_hatnote_links) Please join if you feel inclined. Regards, -Stevertigo (t | c) 07:23, 2 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-02T07:23:00.000Z","author":"Stevertigo","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Stevertigo-2012-05-02T07:23:00.000Z-Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote","replies":[]}}-->

Bkonrad I can understand some changes to the pomeroy disambiguation page but, put back the historic pages, those are not so called, "unambiguous partial title matches" because they are important Pomeroy related pages especially the Berry Pomeroy Castle owned and built by the Pomeroy family. also your whole being wise thing really stuck up, don't you think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamespomeroy767 (talk • contribs) 21:46, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T21:46:00.000Z","author":"Jamespomeroy767","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jamespomeroy767-2012-05-05T21:46:00.000Z-Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-05T21:56:00.000Z-Jamespomeroy767-2012-05-05T21:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

A disambiguation page is not an index of titles that happen to contain a particular term. It is simply a means to allow readers to find articles that might otherwise have the same title. The {{intitle}} link in the see also section allows readers interested keyword browsing to do so. older ≠ wiser 21:56, 5 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-05T21:56:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-05T21:56:00.000Z-Jamespomeroy767-2012-05-05T21:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Every time I contribute to the Big Three page, you keep deleting it, I just want to know why? ~~Dansham~~

See WP:MOSDAB. older ≠ wiser 23:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-08T23:08:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-08T23:08:00.000Z-Big_Three","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

...as is Dallas (Alien), but when I saw Film, and a character, I added, although I'd looked for a Book/Novel section, I overlooked see Dallas (name) further down. Would you agree that Film should be changed to Films, and the other named character removed as well? Dru of Id (talk) 03:46, 10 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T03:46:00.000Z","author":"Dru of Id","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Dru_of_Id-2012-05-10T03:46:00.000Z-Dallas","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-10T13:04:00.000Z-Dru_of_Id-2012-05-10T03:46:00.000Z"]}}-->

Perhaps. Generally, if something is commonly known as exactly "Dallas", that should be listed on the disambiguation page. People (or characters) with the given name or surname may be moved to a separate page as they are partial title matches. That would suggest that Dallas (Alien) should remain on the disambiguation page. But the page could perhaps be reorganized to make it easier to use. Perhaps a section for == People and character == with entries for Dallas (name) and Dallas (Alien) (sometimes a hiddden comment is added to remind editors to only add an entry if it is known as exactly the term being disambiguated). older ≠ wiser 13:04, 10 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-10T13:04:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-10T13:04:00.000Z-Dru_of_Id-2012-05-10T03:46:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I messed up and thought you had blanked the page. Sorry Ankh.Morpork 21:20, 12 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-12T21:20:00.000Z","author":"AnkhMorpork","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AnkhMorpork-2012-05-12T21:20:00.000Z-Apologies","replies":[],"displayName":"Ankh"}}-->

I restored the template:Geographical locators in Southern as I think it's a new and visual way of showing the coordinates, and of course relevant to the topic. The template is also added to all the other pages. I acknoledge it's too visible, but I couldn't manage to make the table collapsible. If you can get that, I would appreciate. Thanks, Sobreira (parlez) 15:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-13T15:43:00.000Z","author":"Sobreira","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Sobreira-2012-05-13T15:43:00.000Z-Template_in_Southern","replies":[]}}-->

Your reverts of my good-faith edits are discussed. --George Ho (talk) 01:07, 15 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-15T01:07:00.000Z","author":"George Ho","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-George_Ho-2012-05-15T01:07:00.000Z-Talk:List_of_cities,_villages,_and_townships_in_Michigan","replies":[]}}-->

Hello Bkonrad, I am writing this to address the edit of the Breckenridge, MI page. I do agree with the edit to the census and population, but the nickname is more of a local thing. I live there myself and almost everyone just calls it Breckentucky. There really isn't a source to the name, it was just started by some kids years ago and spread. Thank you for taking the time to fix the page, though. Legion158 (talk) 22:35, 16 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Legion158 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 16 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-16T22:35:00.000Z","author":"Legion158","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Legion158-2012-05-16T22:35:00.000Z-Breckenridge","replies":[]}}-->

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Thanks for sorting out the Talk and History for Sparrowhawk. You may also want to look at Siskin and Goshawk, as I recently did the same thing to them. Nick Number (talk) 19:36, 18 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T19:36:00.000Z","author":"Nick Number","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nick_Number-2012-05-18T19:36:00.000Z-dab-to-SIA_conversions","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-18T19:49:00.000Z-Nick_Number-2012-05-18T19:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Done. In the future you can place {{db-move}} on the target disambiguation redirect. If the move is uncontroversial, an admin will usually delete and then you can move the page yourself before starting the set index. Or you could create the set index page first (either in main space or as a sub-page or in your user space) and then ask to move them at {{WP:RM#Technical requests]]. older ≠ wiser 19:49, 18 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T19:49:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-18T19:49:00.000Z-Nick_Number-2012-05-18T19:36:00.000Z","replies":["c-Nick_Number-2012-05-18T19:57:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-18T19:49:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Ok, thanks. I'll do that on subsequent conversions. Nick Number (talk) 19:57, 18 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-18T19:57:00.000Z","author":"Nick Number","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Nick_Number-2012-05-18T19:57:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-18T19:49:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Only just noticed your removal of "big black cock". Congratulations and thanks for doing that, i didn't want to be the one explaining the removal of that. You just made my day! Thanks Jenova20 16:17, 21 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-21T16:17:00.000Z","author":"Jenova20","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jenova20-2012-05-21T16:17:00.000Z-BBC_(disambiguation)","replies":[],"displayName":"Jenova"}}-->

Hello, Bkonrad. You have new messages at Talk:Charter Township of Clinton, Michigan.
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Bkonrad, I don't get your changes to Cher (disambiguation). Quoting from WP:PTM: "Add a link only if the article's subject [...] could plausibly be referred to by essentially the same name as the disambiguated term in a sufficiently generic context". I'm not sure how many readers might refer to Cher Wang simply as 'Cher': I doubt they will be enough to grant inclusion of that link in the dab page. Also, if you think that Cher Wang should be included, why did you delete Cher Lloyd? Finally, a "disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title": if a subject has no own article, like the character Cher in Clueless (film), then it has no place on a dab page.
If you are applying guidelines that might override PTM, then please clarify, otherwise those extra entries will have to go. --Giuliopp (talk) 11:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-29T11:56:00.000Z","author":"Giuliopp","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Giuliopp-2012-05-29T11:56:00.000Z-Cher_dab","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-29T22:54:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-29T11:56:00.000Z"]}}-->

Regarding Cher Wang, I do not feel very strongly either way, though MOS:DABNAME suggests that if one is included they should all be listed, or else split into a separate article on the name. TBH, I don't recall deliberately re-adding that entry and it may well have been an oversight on my part. "Disambiguation page lists articles associated with the same title" -- there is no requirement that there be a dedicated article for the ambiguous term. The expectation, perhaps most clearly spelled out at MOS:DABRL, is that each entry will have a blue link that contains relevant information on the ambiguous topic. older ≠ wiser 22:54, 29 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-29T22:54:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-29T22:54:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-29T11:56:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giuliopp-2012-05-30T20:51:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-29T22:54:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I'd leave out both the other Chers, Wang and Lloyd. Also, better to create a more meaningful redirect for the Gypsys album. --Giuliopp (talk) 20:51, 30 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-30T20:51:00.000Z","author":"Giuliopp","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Giuliopp-2012-05-30T20:51:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-29T22:54:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-30T23:22:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-30T20:51:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's no reason to obfuscate the actual title of the album. I don't see how that can possibly be helpful for anyone. older ≠ wiser 23:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-30T23:22:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-30T23:22:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-30T20:51:00.000Z","replies":["c-Giuliopp-2012-05-31T00:01:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-30T23:22:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

No reason to 'obfuscate' the title? Well, then there's no reason to put a link such as Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves (album) – which sounds nothing like Cher – on the Cher dab page! Readers who end up on Cher (disambiguation) will *not* be looking for Gypsys, Tramps & Thieves (album), or else they would have put "Gypsys, Tr" in the search engine and got straight to the desired article. Instead they might be looking for that album from the Seventies that kind-of-remember-was-called-"Cher"-or-something, and there it is, in evidence. And it's not obfuscation, by the way, that's exactly how the album was called when it first came out. --Giuliopp (talk) 00:01, 31 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-31T00:01:00.000Z","author":"Giuliopp","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Giuliopp-2012-05-31T00:01:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2012-05-30T23:22:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-05-31T00:34:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-31T00:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

There's no reason to unecessarily surprise readers by linking through a redirect without ony further explanation. A short, succinct statement lays out the situation exactly. And it is obfuscation in that it obsures the actual title of the article. older ≠ wiser 00:34, 31 May 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-05-31T00:34:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-05-31T00:34:00.000Z-Giuliopp-2012-05-31T00:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

older ≠ wiser, would you be so kind as to contribute your thoughts here? —Ben Kovitz (talk) 00:57, 3 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-03T00:57:00.000Z","author":"BenKovitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BenKovitz-2012-06-03T00:57:00.000Z-British_DAB","replies":[],"displayName":"Ben Kovitz"}}-->

Hi! Thanks for the understanding :-) BigSteve (talk) 08:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-10T08:59:00.000Z","author":"Bigzteve","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Bigzteve-2012-06-10T08:59:00.000Z-Star","replies":[],"displayName":"BigSteve"}}-->

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I think you misused Rollback on your last edit to Gooch. The edit made by the IP was not vandalism as they explained why they were removing the entry and probably felt they were improving the encyclopedia. Please consider discussing the entry. Thanks. GB fan 15:25, 14 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-14T15:25:00.000Z","author":"GB fan","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-GB_fan-2012-06-14T15:25:00.000Z-Gooch","replies":[],"displayName":"GB"}}-->

Would you please comment on the talk page? Maybe it would help if I understood why you like the version without the reference better than the version with. —Ben Kovitz (talk) 08:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-17T08:29:00.000Z","author":"BenKovitz","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-BenKovitz-2012-06-17T08:29:00.000Z-British","replies":[],"displayName":"Ben Kovitz"}}-->

You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Finalizing_the_new_proposal. Since you participated in the earlier discussion about trivial hatnotes and what to do about them, your input is requested on a finalizing a proposal. KarlB (talk) 06:22, 20 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-20T06:22:00.000Z","author":"Karl.brown","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Karl.brown-2012-06-20T06:22:00.000Z-Discussion_at_Wikipedia_talk:Hatnote#Finalizing_the_new_proposal","replies":[],"displayName":"KarlB"}}-->

Since you recently amended an edit I made in the article, you might be interested in the discussion I initiate in its Talk Page. Cheers. -The Gnome (talk) 00:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-28T00:13:00.000Z","author":"The Gnome","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-The_Gnome-2012-06-28T00:13:00.000Z-Overnight_(disambiguation)_page","replies":[]}}-->

Hello, Bkonrad.

Back in May 9th I added many meanings to the QAP page. You then removed them because most were not associated to a Wikipedia page (red links).

I understand it would be great to have pages explaining every one of those meanings, but even if they do not exist yet, QAP is still used all over to represent the terms I added.

Is there a Wikipedia guideline to support your changes? Do you really think those meanings do not contribute to the understanding of QAP?

Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afrachel (talk • contribs) 19:33, 28 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-28T19:33:00.000Z","author":"Afrachel","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Afrachel-2012-06-28T19:33:00.000Z-QAP_meanings","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2012-06-28T21:55:00.000Z-Afrachel-2012-06-28T19:33:00.000Z"]}}-->

Yes, there are guidelines: WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB. older ≠ wiser 21:55, 28 June 2012 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2012-06-28T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2012-06-28T21:55:00.000Z-Afrachel-2012-06-28T19:33:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->