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What is going on with this editor? All kinds of claims of reverting admin 'vandalism' he calls it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/121.116.230.19 63.163.213.249 (talk) 02:49, 7 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-07T02:49:00.000Z","author":"63.163.213.249","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-63.163.213.249-2010-05-07T02:49:00.000Z-121.116.230.19_edits","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-05-07T02:52:00.000Z-63.163.213.249-2010-05-07T02:49:00.000Z"]}}-->

S/he persists in making peculiar edits to surname and disambiguation pages, completely disregarding any style guidelines. I believe s/he is a reincarnation of the banned user Sheynhertz-Unbayg (talk · contribs). older ≠ wiser 02:52, 7 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-07T02:52:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-05-07T02:52:00.000Z-63.163.213.249-2010-05-07T02:49:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

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Hello again. I suggest you monitor the Michigan gubernatorial election, 2010 to stop a potential edit was in the bud over the status of Tim Rujan's status as a candidate for Michigan governor. He failed to qualify for the August 3 GOP primary ballot and there is no evidence that he withdrew on his own. His campaign web sites are still up and running but not recently updated to reflect the final party primary ballot. Steelbeard1 (talk) 21:55, 17 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-17T21:55:00.000Z","author":"Steelbeard1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steelbeard1-2010-05-17T21:55:00.000Z-Michigan_gubernatorial_election,_2010","replies":[]}}-->

Now there is a dispute over whether or not minor party candidates who do not meet the 5% threshold of support should be included in the infobox of this article. Please monitor this article again. Steelbeard1 (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-08-14T20:39:00.000Z","author":"Steelbeard1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steelbeard1-2010-08-14T20:39:00.000Z-Michigan_gubernatorial_election,_2010","replies":[]}}-->

I see you reverted my changes to the LEE disambiguation pages. After a bit of hunting I found the page with the rules, and so I realise that my change was incorrect, so thanks for fixing it. However, can I suggest that in cases like this it would be helpful if you include in your edit summary a link to the relevant page explaining the particular rule that applies - WP:DABNAME in this case - ie explain the reverts clearly. Thanks. Mitch Ames (talk) 00:47, 18 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-18T00:47:00.000Z","author":"Mitch Ames","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Mitch_Ames-2010-05-18T00:47:00.000Z-LEE_(disambiguation)_reversion","replies":[]}}-->

I saw that you contributed to the discussion at WT:N#Notability of small settlements, so you may be interested in a policy proposal I have made concerning this issue at the Village pump. Regards. Claritas (talk) 17:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-19T17:25:00.000Z","author":"Claritas","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Claritas-2010-05-19T17:25:00.000Z-Notability_of_small_settlements","replies":[]}}-->

I started an article about Reuben Atwater-he was Secretary of Michigan Territory. Would you please take a look at it? Many of the territorial secretaries added up functioning as acting governors of the territories-James Tufts and Wiley Scribner of Montana Territory are good examples. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 17:51, 22 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-22T17:51:00.000Z","author":"RFD","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-RFD-2010-05-22T17:51:00.000Z-Reuben_Atwater","replies":[]}}-->

There is someone who wants to include questionable material about Senator Levin's lack of military experience in the Carl Levin article. Can you check that out? Steelbeard1 (talk) 12:45, 26 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-26T12:45:00.000Z","author":"Steelbeard1","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Steelbeard1-2010-05-26T12:45:00.000Z-Carl_Levin","replies":[]}}-->

What's with removing the links? They're certainly not irrevelant...maybe there are other problems with them, but irrelevant isn't one of them. Especially on the obscure ones like David Rice Atchison, saves people typing in to look them up. I haven't undid your edits because there's probably a better term for why you don't link it up that you'll soon inform me of Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 02:36, 27 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-27T02:36:00.000Z","author":"Purplebackpack89","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-27T02:36:00.000Z-County_pages","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-05-28T01:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-27T02:36:00.000Z"]}}-->

Such extra links are irrelevant for the purposes of disambiguation. There is a near zero likelihood that someone looking for the article on David Rice Atchison will go to the Atchison County disambiguation page. WP:DAB and WP:MOSDAB both indicate such non-ambiguous links should not be included on a disambiguation page. older ≠ wiser 01:39, 28 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-28T01:39:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-05-28T01:39:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-27T02:36:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I strongly disapprove of you undoing my move. There is absolutely nothing else it can refer to...it was an open page before my move. The most commonly used term among historians like me is "Reconstruction"; NOT the "Reconstruction era". It's basically four extra characters we don't need. There's an RM up...please support it. Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 22:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z","author":"Purplebackpack89","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z-Reconstruction_of_the_United_States","replies":["c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:44:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z","c-Bkonrad-2010-05-30T22:48:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z"]}}-->

I see in your edit summary you allegte that "Reconstruction of the United States" is unusual. But "Reconstruction era of the United States" is even more unusual...I've never seen that used in my entire. Please, save me the trouble of an RM and move it back yourself Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 22:44, 30 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-30T22:44:00.000Z","author":"Purplebackpack89","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:44:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Your approval is at most only ancillary. Taken by itself, the term "Reconstruction" could mean the period in US history. But a title such as "Reconstruction of the United States" is unusual and I think the "era", whether capitalized or not, helps to clarify the meaning. older ≠ wiser 22:48, 30 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-30T22:48:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-05-30T22:48:00.000Z-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:39:00.000Z","replies":["c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:52:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-05-30T22:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Clarify from what? There isn't anything else on this Wikipedia it could refer to. It's just a waste of four extra characters you don't need. You may have never heard the term "Reconstruction of the United States", but I've never heard of the term "Reconstruction Era of the United States". Look at it this way: Do you refer to the period more as "Reconstruction" or "The Reconstrcution Era" (I would assume reconstruction). Just tack on a "of the United States" to distinguish from other Reconstructions, and you've got an unambiguous but shorter title Purplebackpack89 ^{(Notes Taken) (Locker)} 22:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-05-30T22:52:00.000Z","author":"Purplebackpack89","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Purplebackpack89-2010-05-30T22:52:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-05-30T22:48:00.000Z","replies":[]}}-->

Bkonrad, can you clarify your edit summary a little bit further? I thought that Nether was a short of Netherworld. "rm partial match?" Partial match to what? :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 23:48, 16 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-16T23:48:00.000Z","author":"TeleComNasSprVen","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-16T23:48:00.000Z-Nether","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-16T23:48:00.000Z"],"displayName":":| TelCo"}}-->

Are there reliable sources that refer to the Netherworld as simply "nether"? Does the underworld article describe this usage? If not, it is merely a partial title match and is not ambiguous with the term "nether". See WP:DAB#Partial title matches for more information. older ≠ wiser 23:58, 16 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-16T23:48:00.000Z","replies":["c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:14:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z","c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:16:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Ummm... this? Or, better yet, this... :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:14, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:14:00.000Z","author":"TeleComNasSprVen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:14:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":":| TelCo"}}-->

Oh, and "Nether region" also redirects to Hell, this is probably the common use of the term nether as well. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:16:00.000Z","author":"TeleComNasSprVen","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:16:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-16T23:58:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:25:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:16:00.000Z"],"displayName":":| TelCo"}}-->

Well the first example you list makes no mention of netherworld, so I don't see how that supports your point. The second only uses it as an example of adjectival usage. "Nether region" is just another partial match. Where is evidence that the term "nether" alone, not as part of a term, is ambiguous with underworld? older ≠ wiser 00:25, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:25:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:25:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:16:00.000Z","replies":["c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:27:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:25:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

What?!? Go click on the first link, scroll down to subsection "derived terms", look very, very carefully for "terms derived from nether", click on the show button on your right, and select the word "netherworld", also to your right, third column down. It's easy. :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:27, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:27:00.000Z","author":"TeleComNasSprVen","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:27:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:25:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:27:00.000Z"],"displayName":":| TelCo"}}-->

OK, so it was hidden. But the reference as a derived term is precisely the point -- the term "nether" is not necessarily ambiguous with terms that are derived from it. older ≠ wiser 00:30, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:30:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:30:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:27:00.000Z","replies":["c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:30:00.000Z"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Then, let's mention it in the "adjectival sense". As in "Nether may refer to: * [[Nether regions]], when the word nether is used as an adjective." :| TelCoNaSpVe :| 00:37, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T00:37:00.000Z","author":"TeleComNasSprVen","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:37:00.000Z-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T00:30:00.000Z","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T01:17:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:37:00.000Z"],"displayName":":| TelCo"}}-->

That's not the purpose of disambiguation pages. The term "nether" taken alone is no ambiguous with Netherworld. older ≠ wiser 01:17, 17 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-17T01:17:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":8,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-17T01:17:00.000Z-TeleComNasSprVen-2010-06-17T00:37:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I believe the Harbor Point Association deserves a blurb. I am an owner of three cottages on the point. If you still object can you explain why?

Where IYHO should the information on the Harbor Point Private association be added. It deserves to be added and no censored.

James —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nineninesix (talk • contribs) 22:21, 25 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-25T22:21:00.000Z","author":"Nineninesix","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nineninesix-2010-06-25T22:21:00.000Z-Harbor_Point","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-25T22:53:00.000Z-Nineninesix-2010-06-25T22:21:00.000Z"]}}-->

The main problem is that your edit is a copy and paste from the Time magazine article, in other words a copyright violation. older ≠ wiser 22:53, 25 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-25T22:53:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-25T22:53:00.000Z-Nineninesix-2010-06-25T22:21:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

I take it that you watch Put-in-Bay, Ohio. Would you please add Kelleys Island, Ohio to your watchlist? The same editor keeps vandalising both articles whenever they're not protected. Nyttend (talk) 14:01, 27 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-27T14:01:00.000Z","author":"Nyttend","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Nyttend-2010-06-27T14:01:00.000Z-Watch_another_page,_please?","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-27T14:28:00.000Z-Nyttend-2010-06-27T14:01:00.000Z"]}}-->

Sure. older ≠ wiser 14:28, 27 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-27T14:28:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-27T14:28:00.000Z-Nyttend-2010-06-27T14:01:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Bkonrad, I was still writing about Drenthe when you deleted it, again. It seems you don't want anything about Drenthe, so I will stop permanently. After this unfriendliness I couldn't be bothered to do so again. Lidewij C J. (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-27T21:13:00.000Z","author":"Lidewij C J.","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Lidewij_C_J.-2010-06-27T21:13:00.000Z-Drenthe,_Michigan","replies":["c-Bkonrad-2010-06-27T21:26:00.000Z-Lidewij_C_J.-2010-06-27T21:13:00.000Z"]}}-->

Nothing was deleted. Everything you wrote is available in the page's revision history. Your edits at the time I changed it back to a redirect had not added any information that was not on the township page, apart from external links and a general map of Dutch settlements in Michigan. If there is in fact something more to be said about the place that is both encyclopedic and verifiable in reliable sources, then I'd be happy to see it. older ≠ wiser 21:26, 27 June 2010 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"2010-06-27T21:26:00.000Z","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-2010-06-27T21:26:00.000Z-Lidewij_C_J.-2010-06-27T21:13:00.000Z","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->