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Hi,

Would you mind looking over the discussion at User_talk:Tom.Reding?

Thanks, Jean-de-Nivelle (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231102215400","author":"Jean-de-Nivelle","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Jean-de-Nivelle-20231102215400-\"Televisions\"","replies":[]}}-->

thank you for the corrections. I didn't notice it was a dissambig page. I'll pay more attention to the guidelines:)Thanks again 94.252.6.224 (talk) 12:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231107123900","author":"94.252.6.224","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-94.252.6.224-20231107123900-Disambig_error","replies":[]}}-->

I'm new to Wikipedia, and I'm still un-familiar with all of the best practices and the recommended styles. I understand that for disambiguation pages, each entry should only have one Wiki-link. Thank you for pointing this out to me, and for reverting my erroneous edit. In the future I'll make sure to learn from this mistake! CygnetRiver (talk) 15:06, 12 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231112150600","author":"CygnetRiver","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-CygnetRiver-20231112150600-Thank_you_for_your_recent_revert","replies":[]}}-->

In standard English title-casing, out and of are simply prepositions. "Fish out of Water" means the object of the title is the fish, and it's location is "out of water." "Fish Out of Water" means the object of the title is the verbal phrase "fish out" and that it is "of water." It's kind of like changing a locative to a genitive. TlonicChronic (talk) 18:17, 27 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231127181700","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20231127181700-Fish_out_of_Water","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231127210400-TlonicChronic-20231127181700"]}}-->

How is "fish out of water" different from "time out of mind" given as an example in MOS:TITLECAPS: When using title case, the following words should be capitalized: ... Words that have the same form as prepositions, but are not being used specifically as prepositions ... The first word in a compound preposition (e.g. Time Out of Mind)? Both appear to be compound prepositions and most reliable sources capitalize "out" but not "of" in publications concerning works with this title. older ≠ wiser 21:04, 27 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231127210400","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231127210400-TlonicChronic-20231127181700","replies":["c-TlonicChronic-20231128134000-Bkonrad-20231127210400"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

That's kinda wild to me; I've never seen any style guide recommend capitalizing the first of a string of prepositions, but I admit that MOS you linked definitely does. "Time Out of Mind" (to me, and by my reading of the NYT and Chicago guides) means a mental time out, whereas "Time out of Mind" means time immemorial. NYT has an exception for words that are emphasized, but Out isn't emphasized in either. TlonicChronic (talk) 13:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231128134000","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20231128134000-Bkonrad-20231127210400","replies":[]}}-->

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Hi. Please explain to me the WP Piping basis for your changes to my edits. I have read over WP:DABPIPE and I fail to see the reasoning behind your changes. Frankly, I find your result to be more awkward to read than the way I phrased it. I mean, by the same logic 'AF Guardian, a US Navy warplane' should be changed to 'AF Guardian, a US Navy warplane'. Thank you for your time. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231130213400","author":"Tfdavisatsnetnet","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231130213400-US_Navy_hull_classification_symbols","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231130222900-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231130213400"]}}-->

The general rule is to avoid piping with only a few exceptions. The main one is where some formatting is needed, such as to italicize the title of a work but not the parenthetical disambiguating term. For the hull symbols like you've been adding, the most applicable points are:

• When the link is part of the description, rather than the actual entry name, piping can be used more freely. However, the text of the link should still be very similar to the title of the target article, to avoid confusing the reader.
• Piping may be used when the link is in the description (see § Items appearing within other articles) for linking to a section or anchor point rather than an entire article

Now, I am sure my phrasing could be improved, but the piped link the way that you had in these should certainly not have gone at the beginning of the entries. older ≠ wiser 22:29, 30 November 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231130222900","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231130222900-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231130213400","replies":["c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201012600-Bkonrad-20231130222900"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

It looks to me that what I did is described by the second bullet. Why am I wrong? Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 01:26, 1 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201012600","author":"Tfdavisatsnetnet","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201012600-Bkonrad-20231130222900","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231201024800-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201012600"]}}-->

Your piped section link was not in the description. older ≠ wiser 02:48, 1 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201024800","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231201024800-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201012600","replies":["c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201042300-Bkonrad-20231201024800"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

So, would this be legitimate?

• A hull classification symbol for US Navy: Ammunition ship (AE)

I'm trying to preserve the actual Navy syntax in the wlink. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 04:23, 1 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201042300","author":"Tfdavisatsnetnet","type":"comment","level":5,"id":"c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201042300-Bkonrad-20231201024800","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231201114700-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201042300"]}}-->

Yes, that's better. older ≠ wiser 11:47, 1 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231201114700","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":6,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231201114700-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231201042300","replies":["c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231203010600-Bkonrad-20231201114700"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Thank you for helping me work through this issue, it was a steep learning curve for me. Tfdavisatsnetnet (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231203010600","author":"Tfdavisatsnetnet","type":"comment","level":7,"id":"c-Tfdavisatsnetnet-20231203010600-Bkonrad-20231201114700","replies":[]}}-->

Hi Bkonrad :) I'm looking to interview people here, feel free to pass if you're not interested. Clovermoss🍀 (talk) 21:13, 2 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231202211300","author":"Clovermoss","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Clovermoss-20231202211300-Editor_experience_invitation","replies":[],"displayName":"Clovermoss\ud83c\udf40"}}-->

The Minor barnstar

Thanks for fixing my mistake, I scrolled further to see that it was, indeed, called Porto Rico at one point, just assumed it was a mistake. Best regards, UnexpectedSmoreInquisition aka USI (talk) 17:40, 7 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231207174000","author":"UnexpectedSmoreInquisition","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-UnexpectedSmoreInquisition-20231207174000-A_barnstar_for_you!","replies":[]}}-->

débito automático Rogerio da Silva santana 200 (talk) 22:30, 10 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231210223000","author":"Rogerio da Silva santana 200","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Rogerio_da_Silva_santana_200-20231210223000-d\u00e9bito_autom\u00e1tico","replies":[]}}-->

Hi! I added a topic here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Titles of works re: compound prepositions; I figured you might want to comment—I don't know if you're just following the rules or have strong title-casing opinions, but either way! TlonicChronic (talk) 14:58, 11 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231211145800","author":"TlonicChronic","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-TlonicChronic-20231211145800-Fish_Out_of_Water_2","replies":[]}}-->

hey, i saw you reverted my edits on the page Binary, and the edit summary said "rm non-article". i am a bit of a newbie to editing in wikipedia, and this confused me. could you explain what this means so i could avoid potential future mistakes? Frostcrush Valari (talk) 16:15, 14 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231214161500","author":"Frostcrush Valari","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Frostcrush_Valari-20231214161500-Disambiguation_page_edit_summary","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231214175400-Frostcrush_Valari-20231214161500"]}}-->

Frostcrush Valari, your edit did not link to any existing article. The sole purpose of disambiguation pages is to help readers find articles with content relevant for an ambiguous topic. Please review WP:disambiguation and WP:MOSDAB (or see WP:DDD for a very brief summary). older ≠ wiser 17:54, 14 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231214175400","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231214175400-Frostcrush_Valari-20231214161500","replies":["c-Frostcrush_Valari-20231214230900-Bkonrad-20231214175400"],"displayName":"older"}}-->

thanks for letting me know :) will read up on these. valerie frostcrush (talkpage) 23:09, 14 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231214230900","author":"Frostcrush Valari","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Frostcrush_Valari-20231214230900-Bkonrad-20231214175400","replies":[],"displayName":"valerie frostcrush"}}-->

You deleted my entry earlier today, which is fine. I’d like to learn how to do it properly so I don’t waste my time when trying to contribute. I was looking for information on movie characters named Buttercup and found the page that I ultimately edited to be missing a character. I added the character and, observing how other posts were done, linked to the movie’s Wikipedia page. Your justification for the edit is that it isn’t mentioned on the linked page, which is true. The page mentions a diabetic police horse (which I did put in my edit) but does not include that its name is Buttercup (which it is). Should I have linked to a video of the scene in which he’s named? A different website outside of Wikipedia? Not trying to be adversarial here, just bummed that I took the time to add something factual and now it’s gone, which seems like an injury to the collective pursuit of knowledge. 73.229.103.109 (talk) 00:59, 19 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231219005900","author":"73.229.103.109","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-73.229.103.109-20231219005900-What_would_have_made_my_edit_proper?","replies":["c-PamD-20231219073100-73.229.103.109-20231219005900"]}}-->

@73.229.103.109 (talk page watcher) As you say, the horse was not named in the target article. It is now, and I've put it back into the disambiguation page, but correctly formatted (I think). The name which is the ambiguous term should not be "piped". PamD 07:31, 19 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231219073100","author":"PamD","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-PamD-20231219073100-73.229.103.109-20231219005900","replies":["c-PamD-20231219082100-PamD-20231219073100"],"displayName":"Pam"}}-->

And also, another time, please remember to link the article you are talking about, for everyone's convenience: this is Buttercup (disambiguation). Thanks. PamD 08:21, 19 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231219082100","author":"PamD","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-PamD-20231219082100-PamD-20231219073100","replies":[],"displayName":"Pam"}}-->

Hi there, what did I do wrong which got my entry for In Flight deleted? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=In_Flight&action=history

Richiew13 (talk) 21:35, 22 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231222213500","author":"Richiew13","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Richiew13-20231222213500-In_Flight","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231223122300-Richiew13-20231222213500"]}}-->

You overwrote the existing disambiguation page. Please use a title that does not conflict with existing pages, such as In Flight (Barenaked Ladies album). older ≠ wiser 12:23, 23 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231223122300","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231223122300-Richiew13-20231222213500","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

Hello, You reverted my edit on Vilnius Central Business District with an incredibly thorough motivation – “no”.

Here is the reason for my edit: 1. Source says 2000-2018 2. "Since year 2000" has no end date. How much floor area is added depends on the end date. By today's date, there is more floor area than there was in 2018. Therefore, the article should include "2000-2018"

Best regards, Namas.Kaune Namas.Kaune (talk) 15:01, 25 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225150100","author":"Namas.Kaune","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-Namas.Kaune-20231225150100-About_the_reverted_edit","replies":["c-Bkonrad-20231225151500-Namas.Kaune-20231225150100"]}}-->

The article states Most of the growth occurred after 2010, with intense growth continuing after 2020. What is basis for the claim of "intense growth continuing after 2020"? On second look, your update doesn't contradict that statement but it seemed a misleading intro to the continuing growth statement. older ≠ wiser 15:15, 25 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231225151500","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231225151500-Namas.Kaune-20231225150100","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->

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I noticed you dealt with a lot of Quebec river articles with unnecessary disambiguators in the title back in 2021 made by Veillg. I found several dozen more of these articles. Would you recommend that I move them or make redirects without the disambiguator to them, as there are other potentially notable rivers with the same name? I notice you did both. Thanks in advance. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 21:22, 28 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231228212200","author":"AllTheUsernamesAreInUse","type":"comment","level":1,"id":"c-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200-Veillg1","replies":["c-Veillg1-20231229000200-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200","c-Pppery-20231229042000-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200","c-Bkonrad-20231229062000-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200"]}}-->

Your comment refers to the link to disambiguation pages used in certain articles on the rivers of Quebec. Here are my observations. These links were placed at the beginning of articles on rivers, because they were useful to avoid homonymic confusion. These links were placed at the beginning of the articles because they were relevant and useful. If they are not useful for some, they are very useful for others. My strong recommendation is to keep them.(talk) 00:02, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229000200","author":"Veillg1","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Veillg1-20231229000200-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200","replies":["c-Veillg1-20231229001700-Veillg1-20231229000200"]}}-->

Rereading my previous response, I think I misunderstood your comment. You are rather referring to the titles of articles on the rivers of Quebec, containing a disambiguator. In fact, in Quebec toponymy, there are many homonymous rivers among the 4,400 rivers (approximately) registered with the "Commission de toponymie du Québec" (Quebec Board Names). The French version of Wikipedia generally has many more published articles (around 3,500 published articles on rivers) on other homonymous rivers than the English version. In short, it seems appropriate to me that the title of the article in English is similar to the article in French, particularly for those who work in several languages. The use of the disambiguator serves to avoid confusion between homonymous rivers. Hopefully more articles on Quebec's rivers will be translated into English. (talk) 00:17, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229001700","author":"Veillg1","type":"comment","level":3,"id":"c-Veillg1-20231229001700-Veillg1-20231229000200","replies":["c-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228233200-Veillg1-20231229001700"]}}-->

@Veillg1:Ok, good to know. I'm leaning towards simply making redirects, but I'll wait for Bkonrad's response. Also, in case you didn't know, you should sign messages you leave on talk pages with four tildes. On a side note, do you plan to make more articles on these rivers in the future/is there any reason you made articles on the particular rivers that you did, seeing as there are so many which all seem rather insignificant? AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 23:32, 28 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231228233200","author":"AllTheUsernamesAreInUse","type":"comment","level":4,"id":"c-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228233200-Veillg1-20231229001700","replies":[]}}-->

(talk page stalker) It's almost always wrong for "X" to redirect to "X (Y)". See WP:MISPLACED. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229042000","author":"Pppery","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Pppery-20231229042000-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200","replies":[],"displayName":"* Pppery *"}}-->

As Pppery says, it is almost always wrong for "X" to redirect to "X (Y)". And there is no excuse for creating an article titled "X (Y)" when there is nothing at "X". So I would recommend moving them. older ≠ wiser 06:20, 29 December 2023 (UTC)__DTREPLYBUTTONSCONTENT__-->__DTELLIPSISBUTTON__{"threadItem":{"timestamp":"20231229062000","author":"Bkonrad","type":"comment","level":2,"id":"c-Bkonrad-20231229062000-AllTheUsernamesAreInUse-20231228212200","replies":[],"displayName":"older"}}-->